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Gexar111

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meja_massacre# This is some of the many atrocities committed by the Serbs against the Albanian population. Here are other reports of how the Albanian population was discriminated and persecuted: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania%27s_Golgotha https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Albanian_sentiment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shqiptar#Use_in_South_Slavic_languages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars And there are many more. We have suffered a lot in history and we must not forget that. Even today the Serbs show no remorse whether it is about the war in Bosnia, Croatia or Kosovo and they still call us "Šiptar" as if we were second-class people. Never let anyone discriminate you, just because you are Albanian, no matter where you live, which is unfortunately not only the case in the Balkans but also in Western Europe.


nikiu

Never forget!


[deleted]

We seem to forget though. Not just us in Albania but in kosov too. It bothers me. There should be a massive memorial in the center of tirane commemorating all the dead in the last 100 years victims of the greeks in the south too.


HipoStar

To me, memorials are a lazy Western BS way to lie to ourselves that we remember. To never forget, we must invest into our education.


[deleted]

Nah I think a nice statue of a butchered Albanian baby in front of the Serbian embassy is better


HipoStar

Do as you want, but we need make sure that the older generation does not die from corona and that education is properly funded.


zengjin

We shouldn't forget, and our best shot at it is the legend. [Our language](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PY2D2E/buzuku-meshari-PY2D2E.jpg), [pictograms](https://albanianstudies.weebly.com/uploads/3/4/6/9/3469404/header_images/1458181193.jpg), [memorials](https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/11975.jpg), [priesthood](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2eyfncJZ18), you name it. They will all lose their meaning down the path of our collective memory. The most powerful mode of passing knowledge between generations remains the mythological narrative.


redi_t13

Just a heads up tho. We should use better sources. Wiki is not a reliable source and foreigners won’t take it as 100% true.


gzimhelshani

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania%27s\_Golgotha Says how? Your high school teacher 10 yeras ago? Wikipedia nowadays is one of the most reliable sources.


tejanaqkilica

Wikipedia has always been a reliable source of information. There is this group of people who refuse to accept that because "aNyOnE cAn MoDiFy It" but they fail to understand how complex the bot filtering system is on the other side of servers.


redi_t13

Are you 12? You can’t use that as a source in any important level of writing. I’m just stating facts. If you wanna be a little smartass then inform yourself.


TriggerNationz

No, but you can use the sources that are building up the article....bottom of any Wikipedia page.


Gonstachio

Dude scroll to the bottom of that link and click references. It’ll blow your mind.


Blaqko

Ketyre qe ka kryer kto masakra e krime lufte u eshte dashur te kapeshin sic kan ber Izraelitet kunder Nazisteve. I shkoshin tek vrima ku ishin fshehur, i rrembeshin dhe i dergoshin ne Izrael per tu gjykuar.


[deleted]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann?wprov=sfla1


FWolf14

Te gjithe fajtoret per masakren e Mejes punojne ende. Nje pjese jane graduar dhe jane gjenerale te larte ushtarake, pjesa tjeter kane poste te larta ne qeverine e Serbise, gjithmone sipas prokurorit te Eulexit qe ka hetuar rastin.


arbDev

Tentova ta postoja ne r/europe, dy here ma hoqen, heren e trete me dhane ban. Ktyre eshte per tju qi motrat, do jet naj serb moderator. Prandaj me kto muta sduhet me fol se dhe ne internet te censorojn, te jet per mu prodhoj tanqe si Hitleri dhe jua qi motrat deri ne Beograd se mkan hyp nervat


Stannis-the-Dragon

Did you editorialized it? They let this user [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/g94tuq/today_21_years_ago_372_kosovo_albanian_civilians/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) it.


[deleted]

Ta kan heq se e ke ndryshu titullin në crosspost , jo se janë moderatorët serb


mr_22

LOL How cute. E ke provuar te arrish ne nivelin e tyre te propagandes dhe te lobingut ne arenen nderkombetare? nje popull me aktiv dhe nje ushtri interneti sdo ishte keq, ne vend qe ti perdorin per te fshire komente facebook-u le ti perdorin per te informuar boten. Until then keep crying. Asete propagande kemi sa te duash por i perdorim kunder vetvetes. Pastaj a ka admine shqiptare ne r/europe? ns jo PSE?? ns po SA VETA?? beja pyetjen vetes njehere. Shenim: Per disa [ky traplliku](https://www.deviantart.com/slytherinroja/art/GotW-Justice-for-Serbia-834907294) vlen me shume se sa i gjithe shkrimi dhe fotot e tua. Sad harsh truth.


[deleted]

it's so weird to think that when I was 7, safe in a country that gave my parents refuge, I was fully unaware of what was happening. even now, it seems like something from a movie with a disgusting villain.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Insta brigarded by serbs and friends.


tuxayo

That's strange because the title there was better that here. Because it didn't said "the Serbs", but instead "Serbian police and Yugoslav Army." Making the distinction between the states, factions, groups, etc and the actual people is important. But it seems that wasn't enough :(


arbDev

Po mundohem po ma hoqen se skisha community guidelines, shof shume serb qe bejne propagand ne reddit dhe un jam mundu ta qes Shqiperine para atyre vemjeve sic veprova dje


Golday_ALB

Mendoj se problemi mund te ket qen me titullin. E ripostova https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/g94tuq/today_21_years_ago_372_kosovo_albanian_civilians/


arbDev

Give it a few dhe kan me ta fshi


Golday_ALB

Nuk mendoj.


[deleted]

Po duket se ta paskan fshi :<


Golday_ALB

Nuk e kuptoj pse duhet ta fshinin pas 2 oresh, me shume mundesi nga komentet. Do provoj te kontaktoj mods.


Shtapiq

A tu pergjigjen?


Shtapiq

I kishin anulu krejt postimet ne lidhje me masakra.


Golday_ALB

Përfundimisht janë bythqira.


TriggerNationz

That is suicide for us lol, dont. Serbs Will CLAIM ITS FAKE


iMiGraal

So? Doesn't matter if they claim it


TriggerNationz

:)


tuxayo

Only some Serbs right? Hopefully not much of the people actually support or deny the massacre.


UpperVolt

Never forget!


A_bunch_of_potateos

I'm Serbian, sorry about the past. It's heartbreaking. I hope we can focus on the future.


DzonjoJebac

What is better? A bullet to the head (which is what humans do to animals so they wont suffer) or getting transported to a yellow house and getting your organs harvested? I know youre gonna downvote me to hell becouse 1) im slav and youre super-racist 2) im montenegrin which is in your eyes same as serbain and 3) you deny the crimes you did but acnoledge the ones did to you despite evidence on both sides.


PancakesYoYo

Implying all Serbs did was just shoot people in the head "humanely" to kill them? Sorry man, they did plenty of awful shit. Also, that on it's own is disgusting, and it reflects poorly on you if you're trying to justify it as being a good way to die by comparing it to animals. Also, even if the organ harvesting stuff is true, you realise the victims of that were by most accounts very small compared to everything Serbs did? I'm not sure why you guys are obsessed with the organ harvesting, I personally think it's a way to deflect from the much more plentiful war crimes the Serbs committed. I accept the war crimes done on the Albanian side, by the way. I don't accept acting like it was equivalent though. Serbs committed far more of the war crimes. Finally, why are you acting like such a victim and calling others racists? You post plenty of racist shit about Albanians on /r/For_Slavs, the premier subreddit for Slavic fascists. Actually, most of that subreddit's content is just racist stuff about Albanians. You must be in good company there. I don't hate groups of people. Fascism and racism are bad, my friend :)


DzonjoJebac

Where did I compare you to animals? "Even if the organ..." followed by "I accep the war crimes done on the albanian side" - youre questing yourself. Also I havent posted anything in a long time. I dont post content so theres that. As for that subreddit well theres litterly both sides to it. Theres a bulgarian whos speaking all sorts of stuff and an albanian whos same as him but the diffrent side of coin. Trolls from both sides. All I said was "is it better to die instantly by a bullet in a head or getting your organs pulled out while alive?". Please dont read dostoyevski or kafka if your going ti missinterperate that much. Edit: attacking r/for_slavs just shows your hate for slavs. Tbf I couldnt care less (I cant care about that becouse of a condition). Do what you want. Btw thanks for not downvoting me to hell. Shows something


PancakesYoYo

The organ harvesting was based on spurious claims that never materialised in the way Serbs were hoping. There's plenty of war crimes to talk about on both sides that have plenty of evidence. That's my point. Attacking /r/For_Slavs does not show my hate for Slavs. I'm not going to show love to a place that talks about killing us. Why are you surprised that I'm attacking a place where I see comments talking about exterminating Albanians? I wouldn't attack any people that didn't talk like that. No problem.


DzonjoJebac

I dont see those. The most racist thing I saw was some bulgarian talking about deporting gypsies to india. Theres also plethora of jew hating becouse of many reasons (communism fucking up whole eastern europe) but dont act like albanians are center of the slavic world. Only few slavic groups have contact with you and that sub is full of all sorts of slavs. The same way I dotn give a shit about lithuanians, poles dont give a shit about albanians. Simple as that. Also about the war crimes. There is a reason why serbians dont like it. Its significantly magnified. There were crimes but not as much as it was shown. Its american propaganda the same way it was with "iraqs weapons of mass destriction". The only reason kosovo exists is becouse americans want a base relativly close to russia. Search camp bondsteel, its the largest american base on non-american soil. But hey you can still bealive in their benevolency.


PancakesYoYo

Okay, but I'm just saying I see plenty of random people from different Slavic countries posting racist stuff about Albanians on that subreddit. Maybe it's not that bad. I don't believe in their benevolency, the entire world is based on how much you can get out of other people. You can make mistakes and lose or you can use it to your advantage. If you're from a small country you're pretty much a pawn to the superpowers. The only difference is you don't get invaded as often in the modern age.


DzonjoJebac

One question. Do you often see slavs posting racist anti-albanain shit on r/albania? I doubt it. We see crap ton of anti-slavic shit on our own sub from albanians who are mostly pretending to be germans so thats why theres a special category "albanian in disguise". One time a "slovak" (he forgot slovaks are slavs) made a post that was litterly titled "slavs are niggers of white people" and called us uneducated, uncultured, lowest white iq, white gorillas. How would you react?


PancakesYoYo

No, but that's because this subreddit isn't a ton of racist content, if it was, there would be people trolling back, same with other country subreddits. /r/For_Slavs is hyper-nationalist in comparison. That only happened AFTER that subreddit started going all anti-Albanian with everything. Including the Bulgarian guy, there were a lot of other people just posting racist shit about Albanians. You can expect to get trolled when a lot of the subreddit's content is stuff like that.


PancakesYoYo

Also, that subreddit has so many strange historical lies about Albania that it's hilarious. For example, I've seen people on there say Albanians aren't European, or related to the people there. When we are the people most related to the Greeks: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Principal-Component-Analysis-PCA-on-all-present-day-west-Eurasians-with-ancient-samples_fig3_259441354 https://phys.org/news/2017-05-populations-eastern-mediterranean-coast-genetic.html Same with the language, Albanian is Indo-European. Half of our words are loans from Latin, from as way back in the 2nd century BC. We just didn't get completely latinised like the Romanians did. We share over 100 words with Romanian from this period, words you cannot find in any other language. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language#Early_linguistic_influences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian-Romanian_linguistic_relationship https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/40848841.pdf?seq=1


DzonjoJebac

Maybe I cant read it but that source shows russian and finnish in the same group while croatian and czech are in the same group with estonian and hungarian.


PancakesYoYo

Yes, the chart is basically a map of how close people are genetically. That's not that strange, Finland and Russia are close to each other, Vikings would go to Russia. Same with Croatian, Czech and Hungarian. You can see Croatian overlaps with Hungarian, and Czech is further away from Croatian, kind of like the real map of Europe. Estonian is further away from all of them, like in real life. The colours are attempting to group them, not sure on what criteria they used for everything. It's not that important though, what is important is you can see how closely everyone is related.


[deleted]

UCK terrorists Kosovo is Serbia Does anyone talk about ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Kosovo?


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Sa alt accounts i ke o Tafil_buzi ?


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[deleted]

>Qenke edhe Kosovar *Shqiptar nga Kosova >Te vjen keq qe te kam share vellezerit serbe apo cfare? Nuk i kam serbët vllezër. >Une kam mbaruar ne fushen e historise ne nje universitet prestigjoz Po dyshoj


keepitconfidential1

>Une kam mbaruar ne fushen e historise ne nje universitet prestigjoz LOL im sure you did.


[deleted]

Who cares where they're from? Why is everyone in the balkans obsessed about their herritage? Bullshit like this leads to stupid wars and massacres of thousands.


[deleted]

Was this friend of yours Artan Kastro?


grizhe1

Of course he was.


grizhe1

Artan Kastro’s 945928165th alt-account.


[deleted]

*Triggered Warning* Pse populli Kosoves nuk mori armet sebashku burra dhe gra sipas shembullit te YPG dhe YPJ ne Siri? Ushtria serbe dhe policia serbe nuk ishte me shume e organizuar se ISIS, apo e kam gabim?


[deleted]

Serbët kanë pasur tanka, artileri, edhe armatim tjetër të rëndë. Plus kanë pasur helikoptera luftarak, si mi 24 hind. Ne kemi qenë pak a shumë fucked.


[deleted]

Edhe ISIS i ka patur kto. Madje improvizuan vbied qe i shkrinin tanket si reçel..


[deleted]

Jo jo. Mos keq kupto. Isis I ka zaptuar ato, edhe pastaj janë shkatërruar menjëhere prej amerikanëve.


HistoryGeography

Ka shume ndryshim mes organizimit te nje grupi terrorist dhe te nje aparati te tere shteteror. Sulmet mbi popullsine civile nuk u kryen nga njesi te pakordinuara qe vepronin me koken e vet. Elita drejtuese ne Beograd e dinte shume mire c'po ndodhte.


[deleted]

ISIS i koordinonte mire sulmet. Nuk ishin kot me kot ata. Disa prej komandanteve te tyre ishin oficera ne ushtrine e Sadamit.


[deleted]

Ushtria Jugosllave nuk ishte më e organizuar se disa përdhunues delesh nga lindja e mesme. Big brain takes.


[deleted]

Ushtria jugosllave nuk ekzistonte ne 1998 1999, ishin vetem serbet dhe malazezet. Pyetja eshte pse nuk u mobilizua per vetembrojtje popullsia.


[deleted]

Në 1998-1999 ushtria serbe ishte po e njëjta me ushtrinë Jugosllave. Mbase jo në numra njerëzish, por e njëjta në përgatitje, drejtues, mjete, logjistikë, etj etj


Ju_flet_Tirana

Po UÇK në njefare menyre atë u perpoq te bente. Ajo qe po propozon do kishte rezultuar në te pakten 10-fish te vrare dhe ndoshta edhe me nje rezultat edhe me te keq per Shqiptaret.


[deleted]

Ushtria serbe ka pasur armatime moderne per kohen, sic tregon dhe emri ishte USHTRI, plus qe ka pasur eksperienca nga "sipermarrje" te meparshme me fqinjet


[deleted]

Ushtria serbe ka luftuar vetëm në Kosovë gjatë luftrave të Jugosllavisë. Me fqinjët nuk luftoi ndonjëherë drejtpërdrejtë.


Sufficient-Work3339

Ez pz