>“In the city, you’ve got a family doctor, they work in a clinic all day and that’s how it is. In a rural centre, they’ve got to work in our hospital, they’ve got to work in our continuing care facility, they’ve got to work at … our senior’s lodge,”
Man, I guess the UCP probably shouldn’t have specifically canceled the funding for rural doctors to split their time between clinic hours and hospital/facility hours. And since Hinton just enthusiastically reelected the UCP, they obviously don’t think this is that big a problem
not sure when rural AB will clue in. Probably after the UCP totally destroy health care & education in this province and the environment ( and I worked in oil and gas)
I am amazed (f***ed) talking to people on surgery waitlists still thinking the UCP the best govt for our people.
Exactly. But they don't learn. They say it takes 21 attempts before a person leaves an abusive relationship. For good. We have a long ways to go I suppose.
And just like an abusive spouse, the UCP have gaslighted their base into thinking that as bad as things are, the NDP would be even worse for them. That way the victim will never try and escape.
Unfortunately, the UCP cannot screw up enough to make their voters realize how bad they are for all regular people.
During the Notley gov't, there was a news story on TV in a hospital ward, reporting about the increasing funding for healthcare and social services. And an old, rural gentleman admitted to the same hospital was angrily yelling at the TV : "f**k Notley! I want to be the one who decides where my tax dollars are going."
Maximum irony level.
They aren't going to. My coworkers are at the point of wanting a private system because "anything's better than what we have now".
And that's exactly what the UCP wants.
They know, on some level. There is an unfortunately large contingent of people that will vote against their own interests as long as the people they vote in are guaranteed to hate immigrants, indigenous, and queer people as much as they do.
No they don't. They have no idea how the UCP has been screwing over healthcare because they don't pay attention to what the UCP doesn't grandstand about.
Some don't, but if you don't believe there is a group that won't turn a blind eye to getting screwed over as long as it hurts the groups they hate, I don't know what to tell you. There are no small number of churches that view queer people as *very literal demons*. Not allegorical. Not metaphorical, but genuine demons there to destroy them. That the apocalypse is coming because Pride exists and their duty to God is to literally kill them if they can.
Example: My mother when D&D is mentioned around her will quote the scripture of "Suffer not a witch to live" and genuinely thinks people playing RPGs deserve to be put to death for inviting Satan into them. She would never vote for any party that accepts gay people no matter what the other option is
71.8% of voters voted to lose their doctors, they were literally told this would happen, this has been an issue since Jason Kenney.
Either they are fucking ignorant dipshits and should learn to read up on who their candidates are and what bills they had voted on or they wanted this to happen for some kind of of Victim Kink.
Either way they deserve it, as do those who did not vote (political apathy is as bad as voting UCP), sorry to all the children and people who voted based on having basic political literacy who will have to suffer along side those who did this to the province.
I used to not be this aggressive, but the lack of personal responsibility from UCP voters, I want them to reap what they sow on all of us, I want them to learn hard lessons, I want them to look into why they are hurting and hope to all the Gods that they manage to have a moment of clarity that will teach them to use basic critical thinking when voting, so at least the rest of us don't suffer because Conservative voters believe memes over fact based evidence.
I just want them to have some personal responsibility for once in this province's life.
Jasper, Hinton, and Edson share the same MLA. Jasper votes heavily NDP, the other two heavily UCP. Result is the same.
Out of the 3, Jasper is the only community that has stable Physician coverage. Makes you think right?
Lived in Hinton, worked a lot around Edson. I never really liked Edson. It felt very “oil patchy”. I don’t know how to explain it. Comparable in nature to Nisku. It could also be because I only ever experienced Edson in the middle of winter. Edson has its own kind of cold. I’ve been warmer in FSJ.
I once witnessed a couple on what was obviously a first first date. Both dressed in their best at the Tim Hortons on the highway. He in his orange oilfield safety boots, she in her uggs with the heels all worn down.
It's the most edson thing I've ever seen.
I think you're confusing Edson and Hinton. Hinton has the pulp mill. Edson has an OSB plant, but it's hardly keeping that dying town alive. And both of them are full of lifers that have a list a mile long waiting to take their job when they retire.
Sorry but you need to enjoy the feeling of getting screwed by your neighbours. As they all go "those fricken NDP ruined everything" even though it has been literally 6 years now.
Yea that always bugs me when people say “Well Alberta deserves the government it elected” yea sure, but I live in Edmonton which voted straight NDP, but we still suffer for the votes of everywhere else in Alberta. In fact we keep getting specifically targeted more to punish us for not voting UCP
I only have so much sympathy to go around. I’ll spend it on the areas that voted not to screw themselves. Edmonton is feeling screwed? I’ll sit through their rant and give them a hug. Hinton is being screwed? They’ll need to stop actively riding the cactus before I can spare them any of my limited sympathy
None of my family live here and as far as I know every single person where I work except 1 or 2 voted ANDP. And the one person I know voted UCP is a classic old well off white dude (but he is a genuinely nice guy, just has classic boomer fiscal mentality and still believes the Conservatives are fiscally responsible).
Alot of those who didn't, just didn't vote. Sitting on your ass at home on election day is loser shit and has consequences.
There is no excuse other than a coma or not being legally allowed to vote for not going out, especially when a far right government hell bent on selling off Alberta to the private sector for the lowest bidders has 4 years of evidence of Weaponized Incompetence and Targeted Disaster Economics.
Those who didn't vote, share the blame UCP voters deserve to gifting AHS to corporate interest.
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Hintonite here... I didn't vote for this but here we are... More "F*ck Trudeau" and "I <3 Oil and Gas" stickers than I care for.
70% UCP for Yellowhead county (Edson and other local small communities).
People think voting NDP means their children will be forced to chop off their genitalia. It's insane.
>And since Hinton just enthusiastically reelected the UCP, they obviously don’t think this is that big a problem
They'd blameTrudeau all while saying this is good, because doctors are "colluded with big pharma and COVID"
Cons be like: vaccines aren't safe so lets remove all safety regulations, continue voting for Big Pharma who we created AND private healthcare costs 2-3x MORE PER PERSON than free healthcare, so lets also give Big Pharma 300 BILLION extra in taxpayer money per year in Canada
Cons are a contradiction. If they knew what they voted for, they would stop conning liberals/normal sane ppl
Ok but surely, in a province where we get billions of revenue from oil production, that it's the Liberals fault and they need to give provinces (Alberta) more money for health care.
Their response will be that it's unfair that people in other places get access to health care when they don't so the solution is that everyone should lose access.
Yep. I think at one point, Sundre (population 2500-ish) was down to like… 2 doctors. Considering it’s a lot of seniors, that’s pretty brutal.
Also considering it’s a cesspool of racism and bigotry with a Burger Baron (and a really good Chinese restaurant) who overwhelmingly voted UCP, fuck them.
> “In the city, you’ve got a family doctor, they work in a clinic all day
I appreciate their frustration but do I have news for this guy: this isn't a rural problem - it's an Alberta under UCP problem, and it will continue to get worse as long as places like Hinton keep punching themselves in the face.
Bruh it’s not a ucp problem it’s a CANADA problem this is not just happening in Alberta. Here in Ontario over 1,000 people lined up to get a new family doctor recently.
What a garbage take. Vancouver Island has the same problem.
Edit: Downvote me all you want. I had to go to AB to get an MRI because BC shut down all the privately owned ones which quickly led to public ones being inundated. The Liberal ideology of "it must all be publicly controlled" is destroying availability of imaging equipment for those in need and those who can afford to pay.
>those who can afford to pay.
Oop, there it is. The reason private Healthcare has lower wait times is because anyone who needs it but can't afford it has been removed from the list altogether. Private Healthcare supporters believe rich people should be entitled to jump the line for necessary care. Private Healthcare supporters think poor people don't deserve Healthcare. Private Healthcare supporters believe rich people have more right to life than poor people.
Sounds like the garbage take is coming from inside the house, fam.
And now go further and imagine public healthcare didn't have to compete with the largest for profit system in the world and could collaborate better between provinces to reduce prices on pharmaceuticals. We act like medical advancements would just cease if there weren't huge profit margins, but it's just not true.
It really does come down to this but they refuse to see it. I had an argument with a friend about this recently
There are two possible outcomes either:
- Private healthcare is higher quality than public so you believe that poor people deserve worse healthcare?
- Private healthcare is the same or lower quality than public... so why waste resources on the private healthcare?
The goal as a society should be to get health care to as many people as you can as quickly as you can. Stop worry about balancing, focus on increasing access and shortening wait times. Will private health care be better? Maybe, maybe not - i don't care. It's better than waiting in a line for months or, at this point years, to be seen. People are sick and dying right now - prioritize getting everyone access, worry about balancing quality and 'equitable outcomes' after people can get seen in a timely manner.
That's bullshit and you know it. Only some people would get seen sooner and those people are the people who can afford to pay. A poor person is still gonna have to wait months and years. If private MRI machines have so low wait times, then clearly they are being underused.
Instead of creating a fast lane so that rich people can buy access to better healthcare outcomes. Why not nationalize those underused MRI machines in private use?
By paying for my MRI I am effectively paying twice. I pay out of pocket at the private place(which is what funds their machines/payroll/etc). And then I am also paying my part for the public health care system's MRIs THAT I AM NOT EVEN USING. How can you be against this?! If I get it at a private clinic I no longer take a spot in the public system queue - that's a good thing.
Nationalizing them doesn't magically fix the finances/resource problem around MRIs all it does is hand a lump sum buyout to the private companies' owners?! Then you're still left with how to pay for upkeep of additional machines, payroll, etc?! You haven't solved the problem at all.
Edit: Technically every person in the queue behind me is seen sooner. Have enough people paying for their MRIs and the publicly free ones won't have month/year waits. I pay for my groceries but contribute to food banks which I've never used. Why should this be any different?!
You are a short sighted idiot. Every person paying out of pocket isn't needing to use the public system which means reduced demand and by extension shorter wait times for people who need to use the pubic system. I'm not saying defund the public system, it needs more resources - just don't block private industry from providing additional supply.
Clearly, it's not "additional supply" if you're upset about private options being turned public and then being "inundated" with patients. Now, they're part of the general supply and still not even close to enough. You're mad those machines weren't reserved for rich people. You don't think poor people should be allowed to access those machines. You want there to be an option that is cost prohibitive to the majority so you can jump the line.
But you've called a stranger an idiot for disagreeing with you, even though they offered a clear argument, so you don't seem to be the considerate type and it makes sense you would have this entitled worldview.
I called you an idiot because you make poor assumptions. They weren't "turned public", they were literally shut down. The buildings lights are out, they answer their phones but tell us they can only take patients from out of province.
BC has taken steps to address the issue (significant pay bump for family doctors and increasing medical school/residency spots for family medicine) that appear to be working in terms of increasing family doctors.
Funny though Island health had the second largest increase in family doctors in bc last year. BC, in general, is gaining doctors regularly, and a good portion are from Alberta. Alberta is losing them like crazy to everywhere. Alberta's problem is most definitely caused by the provincial government.
Alberta doctor's warned the UCP when they took power and started their war on healthcare that they would be leaving Alberta. Kenney and Shandro chose to call their bluff and continue what they were doing. There may be issues Canada-wise, but no other province, aside from Ontario, took active steps to make things worse for their citizens.
>Here in Ontario over 1,000 people lined up to get a new family doctor recently.
An estimated 700,000+ Albertans have no family doctor. That's 1 in 5 Albertans.
Even in 2012 I had issues finding a doctor that would accept me due to my medical issues. Older patients also don't get a doctor as soon due to the complex medical issues they have.
It is a Canada problem. Physicians across Canada have said "fuck it, I'm retiring". Freedom convoys and their members are also across Canada. Why work with patients screaming that you're trying to kill them with vaccines when they can just retire.
We were regarded as having the best healthcare in the country. We are now middle of the pack or lower, going from an A ranking to a B on outcomes.
Things have gotten worse in a tough situation, due in no small part to the leadership in our province. There is a doctor shortage yes, but if that were the only factor all of Canada would have an even decline in care quality, which is not present in the data.
Coupled with our economy being better than most provinces, there’s no reason we shouldn’t be top of the pack still. Even if our quality has declined.
It can be a problem everywhere and still be a *worse* problem in the province that actively attacked healthcare workers during the pandemic and continues to devalue them and treat them like villains.
Look past your "both sides" and acknowledge that the UCP are blatantly anti-public healthcare, as that is their path to privatization.
Wut. Dude, go for a walk and hug someone that sort of loves you.
Edit: I totally misunderstood. I thought this comment was a support for the ucp. My bad.
The UCP literally held a fundraiser at a church recently, where one of the speakers claimed doctors are all pedophiles somehow. Not saying that’s what the UCP all believe, but they do allow their members to hold events where they do invite speakers who say this shit.
The mayor of Hinton, Alta., is sounding the alarm over what he calls the town’s deteriorating health care situation, saying half of the population has lost access to a family doctor in the past year.
Every time they vote UCP you can expect this shit to happens and when I happens it’s not even fuckin funny anymore.
Most of the Physicians in Hinton that left, left to go to BC. It's a combination thing of our Government not doing enough to keep them and BC making things more enticing. People are correct in their assessment that it is a Canadian problem, but our provincial government just isn't doing enough to stimmy the tide.
Yup. Healthcare is fucking rough in all of Canada, but there is still a major difference between being antagonistic towards health care workers and purposefully sandbagging it vs trying to actually help healthcare whether it is effective or not.
Id rather have a government actually try to improve shit and fail than a government that purposefully makes shit worse so they can get a payday/cushy gig after politics
Don’t forget specifically pulling their contract out from under them, and publicly vilifying them (calling them pedo’s for instance). Those are big pieces of this clear purposeful healthcare destroying puzzle.
These UCP people are deluded. I had conversations with rural Albertans before the election, and they literally thought that Smith was going to help solve the physician shortage. I asked "why would doctors want to work for a government that tears up contracts with doctors?" And then came the mental gymnastics. These folks are clueless about how Healthcare works and they are brainwashed.
It doesn't help Hinton that Grande Cache lost *all* their doctors and their only medical clinic. Hinton and Grande Prairie are the next "closest" towns to Grande Cache.
My GP in Calgary had her clinic closed 'out from under her' when the chain who runs the clinic decided to close it. We have no idea if shes going to resurface at a new clinic or not.
According to the article, it could be a plus for the UCP in this riding.
>At the time, Nissen said he reached out to the province and, within days, met with Health Minister Adriana LaGrange.
>"I’ve been absolutely impressed and very pleased with the support that we’ve been getting from the province," he said.
It sounds a lot like an opportunity to push with the nurse practitioner plans. A lot of us would love to see this as a voter reality check, but it may very well be part of the "Burn it down, build it back up, take the credit" path that we're currently on. But because of prevailing cognitive dissonance and disinformation, I know I won't be keeping my hopes very high for now until we see what the new NDP leadership can do to sway voters.
It sucks that real people have to suffer in these political games. A lot of people are voting against their own self-interests and it's tragic that they can't see it.
> "Burn it down, build it back up, take the credit"
More like burn it down, sell the ashes and pocket the proceeds, give tax dollars to private healthcare to build it back up, act like this is a good thing and take the credit.
If we just used those tax dollars to support the current system we wouldn't need to do all that other stuff and insert a middleman who literally only exists to extract profit, but of course that's the whole point.
Fact is the first few years of any privatized medical plan will most likely be rolled out with some kind of temporary insurance covered by the government.
That will help shoulder the investment risk of starting up in Alberta, and give people the illusion that it's not entirely privatized on day one. But watch that insurance get rolled back as prices start "*stabilizing"* based on the supply and demand of the Alberta market.
I imagine it might just look like Blue Cross coving family doctor’s visits or medical tests, stuff that is currently covered under the Canadian Health Act, however when/if the CPC win a majority they’ll be reforming the CHA to give provinces more power to open up healthcare to the free market.
It might temporarily work for them
Nurse practitioners don't have degrees in medicine. Beyond routine check up stuff there will be a lot of referrals. Referrals to no one in Hinton.
It isn’t just an AB problem but UCP took actions that made AB’s problem worse. Ripping up the DR contract, changing fee codes in midst of pandemic and other bone headed moves followed by electing an anti science premier created conditions that led to Dr’s leaving, retiring earlier than planned and family medicine residency positions left unfilled. BC is acting to turn their problem around and in the process attracting AB family docs.
Uh this is what they voted for and would do so again tomorrow if they could.
Is this a Canada wide problem? Yes
Is Alberta trying to stop the trend and working with doctors? No
So yes folks Alberta is capable of improving the situation but refuse to do so.
As long as people they don’t like get hurt, they don’t care. They’ll gripe and complain about this but as long as the UCP remain against queer folk and immigrants, they’ll keep electing them.
Who did Hinton vote for in the last provincial election, and the last 50 before that?
You are, at this point, the living version of the guy jabbing a stick in his own bike spokes meme.
Congrats!!
I have family that lives in Barrhead County. They are all conservative though not vitriolic psychopaths. As they get older this is the biggest issue in their lives. They fundamentally don’t understand why doctors don’t want to go serve their community. I’ve tried to explain that their communities are culturally not attractive to a young medical professional just out of school. There are doctor shortages everywhere. Why would someone go to rural Alberta when they can go basically anywhere else to find work. Just zero self awareness of how the world works.
Tends to happen when you tear up their contracts, make it impossible to maintain a practice & then call them pedophiles at an antivax rally. BC has been heavily recruiting AB physicians for the past 5 years & doing it successfully.
I mean it is almost like cutting funding to rural doctors would end up in......no more rural doctors.
Shit I am a genius, but still not dumb enough to qualify for the UCP government.
Don't worry, in a privatization scheme you can mass hate on health care workers, under pay them, provide stingly the required resources and they'll seek out to come live in your remote Canadian small city, town, or hamlet for the vibes.
Does anyone actually believe Alberta can not afford to boost healthcare with Doctors and Nurses. We have billions to give to Oil and Gas. And by the way, where are all those Oil and Gas jobs.
The announced retirement of one of the last doctors was really a nail in the coffin.
Martin Milquetoast Long is a pathetic excuse for an MLA who's failed literally every community under his stewardship and whose only function appears to be doing grip and grins with children at lemonade stands. He let his own hospitals obstetric wards close over and over, he let Edsons emergency rooms close, he's let Hinton close multiple beds and obstetrics a number of times.
He is ignorant to the industries developing in his riding; he is ignorant to the struggles of existing businesses in his riding; and his only activity of note was signing the idiot declaration during COVID. His social media is all just the same material as your Alberta, or grip and grins, and without any original thought or contribution - because he's never had one.
This region shit in its bed during the election, and it will continue to shit in its own bed for the forseeable future, and then continue to be surprised when they wake up in the morning smelling like dookie.
The double whammy of the most entitled, out of touch, 8 flights a week on the government dime boomer of all time as an MP is abysmal.
I hope all the Hicks that voted UCP opened their eyes and see when they need the help that help isn't available. What fort mcleod's emergency department is closed from thursday morning until saturday because of doctor shortages that is unacceptable.
Honestly, my family doctor moved over a year ago, not found one since. And I'm in Calgary, so not exactly small town.
Everywhere in the world seems to have a doctor's shortage right now. I have family in UK, Australia, and Canada - everywhere says the same thing " we have no GPs", no family doctors, etc.
So the problem seems to be, no one has family doctors, because no-one wants to pay family doctors. I've heard here in Canada they get paid for a 6 minute consult - that didn't cover any in-depth discussion. So how about paying docs for the time they spend not the number of people they see.
It’s not just Alberta, most provinces have doctor shortages. Even far left provinces, stop oversimplifying everything to just voting right or left. It’s not that simple
But let’s bring more people to here 🤪
I will be emailing [email protected] to inform him that Edmonton and Calgary aren’t exactly swimming with doctors in clinics all day LOL
UCP: “Geeze… I wonder where all the doctors went? Guess we’ll have to privatize healthcare! This is all Trudeau’s fault! We need to “Axe the Tax^TM” quick and “Bring it Home” for Canadians. That’ll fix the problem for sure.”
A former colleague's brother was a doctor in this part of AB in Edson and loved being a small town doctor for a long time. COVID brought out all types of crazy and he couldn't do it anymore. Conspiracy theorists and lunatics are driving away doctors from small towns.
We need to adopt the methods other provinces are to recurit and KEEP family docs in rural areas. There are hundreds of articles showing that if you don't support rural doctors they won't stay. Castlegar BC has a physician recruiter who works with the doctor long after they've relocated to make sure they have support and can lay down roots. BC rural health is developing networks for rural physicians to be able to FaceTime a specialist within 10min if they need help. It drastically decreases burn out.
It's important to recognize Canada's particularly stupid bureaucracy tends to impact professionals ability to work here.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/medical-licensing-rules-doctor-shortages-1.6800655
Some quick googling suggests an average gp wage of $285k in Canada and an average US wage of the equivalent of $310k CAD.
As like everyone else in Canada, few people want to work in remote Canadian towns because of the lifestyle. Immigrants may want to if we made their transition to medical practice less cumbersome.
No one actually read the article I see . They lost physicians due to retirement in a short period and the alarm was to raise awareness to the shortage that's there ...... but yes UCP bad !
Has no one considered that our young population is also moving to more urban centres rather than rural towns.
Yes funding plays a massive part in it but it’s also not a coincidence that most places losing doctors due to retirement are rural areas where there is not enough young people coming in to fill their spots.
The rural population is ageing faster than its urban and suburban counterparts.
There is no incentive to move to smaller towns and with cost of living going up it’s almost impossible too
>“In the city, you’ve got a family doctor, they work in a clinic all day and that’s how it is. In a rural centre, they’ve got to work in our hospital, they’ve got to work in our continuing care facility, they’ve got to work at … our senior’s lodge,” Man, I guess the UCP probably shouldn’t have specifically canceled the funding for rural doctors to split their time between clinic hours and hospital/facility hours. And since Hinton just enthusiastically reelected the UCP, they obviously don’t think this is that big a problem
Well isn’t the leopard just eating my face! /s
They also shouldn't book speakers, that label doctors as sex offenders and pedophiles, at their fundraising events.
Woah what’s the story behind this?
r/alberta/comments/1dj8oku/alberta_doctors_labelled_pedophiles_sex_offenders/
True, Hinton voted for this, so they have no right to complain.
not sure when rural AB will clue in. Probably after the UCP totally destroy health care & education in this province and the environment ( and I worked in oil and gas) I am amazed (f***ed) talking to people on surgery waitlists still thinking the UCP the best govt for our people.
I work in healthcare and can’t believe how many of my rural coworkers vote for them.🙄
Basically an abused spouse. “Maybe this time he’ll change after he says he ‘loves me’”
Exactly. But they don't learn. They say it takes 21 attempts before a person leaves an abusive relationship. For good. We have a long ways to go I suppose.
21 x 4, well they'll have a new crop of raised zealots by the time they "clue in"
And just like an abusive spouse, the UCP have gaslighted their base into thinking that as bad as things are, the NDP would be even worse for them. That way the victim will never try and escape.
>not sure when rural AB will clue in That's the great part for the UCP, they won't.
Unfortunately, the UCP cannot screw up enough to make their voters realize how bad they are for all regular people. During the Notley gov't, there was a news story on TV in a hospital ward, reporting about the increasing funding for healthcare and social services. And an old, rural gentleman admitted to the same hospital was angrily yelling at the TV : "f**k Notley! I want to be the one who decides where my tax dollars are going." Maximum irony level.
Ya but Trudeau. Thats all they need to say to rural folks to get them back in their column.
They aren't going to. My coworkers are at the point of wanting a private system because "anything's better than what we have now". And that's exactly what the UCP wants.
They know, on some level. There is an unfortunately large contingent of people that will vote against their own interests as long as the people they vote in are guaranteed to hate immigrants, indigenous, and queer people as much as they do.
No they don't. They have no idea how the UCP has been screwing over healthcare because they don't pay attention to what the UCP doesn't grandstand about.
Some don't, but if you don't believe there is a group that won't turn a blind eye to getting screwed over as long as it hurts the groups they hate, I don't know what to tell you. There are no small number of churches that view queer people as *very literal demons*. Not allegorical. Not metaphorical, but genuine demons there to destroy them. That the apocalypse is coming because Pride exists and their duty to God is to literally kill them if they can. Example: My mother when D&D is mentioned around her will quote the scripture of "Suffer not a witch to live" and genuinely thinks people playing RPGs deserve to be put to death for inviting Satan into them. She would never vote for any party that accepts gay people no matter what the other option is
Sad thing is, they *want* the UCP to detroy the evil, corrupt education system.
71.8% of voters voted to lose their doctors, they were literally told this would happen, this has been an issue since Jason Kenney. Either they are fucking ignorant dipshits and should learn to read up on who their candidates are and what bills they had voted on or they wanted this to happen for some kind of of Victim Kink. Either way they deserve it, as do those who did not vote (political apathy is as bad as voting UCP), sorry to all the children and people who voted based on having basic political literacy who will have to suffer along side those who did this to the province. I used to not be this aggressive, but the lack of personal responsibility from UCP voters, I want them to reap what they sow on all of us, I want them to learn hard lessons, I want them to look into why they are hurting and hope to all the Gods that they manage to have a moment of clarity that will teach them to use basic critical thinking when voting, so at least the rest of us don't suffer because Conservative voters believe memes over fact based evidence. I just want them to have some personal responsibility for once in this province's life.
Jasper, Hinton, and Edson share the same MLA. Jasper votes heavily NDP, the other two heavily UCP. Result is the same. Out of the 3, Jasper is the only community that has stable Physician coverage. Makes you think right?
It also helps that Jasper is really nice and a desirable market to live and play... While Edson is... Edson.
You can't live in Jasper unless you own one of the very few types of business
It’s a shame to see that, because up until some years back more of the district voted for Liberals/NDP.
What exactly are you implying?
Have you never been to Edson? Because it sound like you don't know anything about Edson...
Lived in Hinton, worked a lot around Edson. I never really liked Edson. It felt very “oil patchy”. I don’t know how to explain it. Comparable in nature to Nisku. It could also be because I only ever experienced Edson in the middle of winter. Edson has its own kind of cold. I’ve been warmer in FSJ.
I once witnessed a couple on what was obviously a first first date. Both dressed in their best at the Tim Hortons on the highway. He in his orange oilfield safety boots, she in her uggs with the heels all worn down. It's the most edson thing I've ever seen.
I spent almost 5 years in the oil patch, there's literally nothing goes on in Edson aside from the pulp mill. Well I do like eddy the squirrel
I think you're confusing Edson and Hinton. Hinton has the pulp mill. Edson has an OSB plant, but it's hardly keeping that dying town alive. And both of them are full of lifers that have a list a mile long waiting to take their job when they retire.
Yes you're right, sorry Hinton got the pulp mill. Its been 7 years since ive been out that way.
Including those who live there who didn't vote for the UCP?
Sorry but you need to enjoy the feeling of getting screwed by your neighbours. As they all go "those fricken NDP ruined everything" even though it has been literally 6 years now.
Yea that always bugs me when people say “Well Alberta deserves the government it elected” yea sure, but I live in Edmonton which voted straight NDP, but we still suffer for the votes of everywhere else in Alberta. In fact we keep getting specifically targeted more to punish us for not voting UCP
I only have so much sympathy to go around. I’ll spend it on the areas that voted not to screw themselves. Edmonton is feeling screwed? I’ll sit through their rant and give them a hug. Hinton is being screwed? They’ll need to stop actively riding the cactus before I can spare them any of my limited sympathy
Now this is where you go to all your family and friends who voted for those ding dongs to take a hike
None of my family live here and as far as I know every single person where I work except 1 or 2 voted ANDP. And the one person I know voted UCP is a classic old well off white dude (but he is a genuinely nice guy, just has classic boomer fiscal mentality and still believes the Conservatives are fiscally responsible).
Alot of those who didn't, just didn't vote. Sitting on your ass at home on election day is loser shit and has consequences. There is no excuse other than a coma or not being legally allowed to vote for not going out, especially when a far right government hell bent on selling off Alberta to the private sector for the lowest bidders has 4 years of evidence of Weaponized Incompetence and Targeted Disaster Economics. Those who didn't vote, share the blame UCP voters deserve to gifting AHS to corporate interest.
Not voting is the most rational choice one can make but politics is an emotional and tribalistic thing, not a rational one.
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Hintonite here... I didn't vote for this but here we are... More "F*ck Trudeau" and "I <3 Oil and Gas" stickers than I care for. 70% UCP for Yellowhead county (Edson and other local small communities). People think voting NDP means their children will be forced to chop off their genitalia. It's insane.
>And since Hinton just enthusiastically reelected the UCP, they obviously don’t think this is that big a problem They'd blameTrudeau all while saying this is good, because doctors are "colluded with big pharma and COVID"
Cons be like: vaccines aren't safe so lets remove all safety regulations, continue voting for Big Pharma who we created AND private healthcare costs 2-3x MORE PER PERSON than free healthcare, so lets also give Big Pharma 300 BILLION extra in taxpayer money per year in Canada Cons are a contradiction. If they knew what they voted for, they would stop conning liberals/normal sane ppl
If it’s good, why declare an emergency then? Seems to be working as planned.
Ok but surely, in a province where we get billions of revenue from oil production, that it's the Liberals fault and they need to give provinces (Alberta) more money for health care.
Alberta gets a lot of money from the Feds for healthcare. The question is how that money is being spent.
Yes. The rural folks have been "hosed". For need of a better word.
Their response will be that it's unfair that people in other places get access to health care when they don't so the solution is that everyone should lose access.
Yep. I think at one point, Sundre (population 2500-ish) was down to like… 2 doctors. Considering it’s a lot of seniors, that’s pretty brutal. Also considering it’s a cesspool of racism and bigotry with a Burger Baron (and a really good Chinese restaurant) who overwhelmingly voted UCP, fuck them.
True. Voting matters, Hinton
I guess they don’t “got” to do anything!
> “In the city, you’ve got a family doctor, they work in a clinic all day I appreciate their frustration but do I have news for this guy: this isn't a rural problem - it's an Alberta under UCP problem, and it will continue to get worse as long as places like Hinton keep punching themselves in the face.
Yeah. This is not a rural problem. Its an everywhere problem.
Certainly not a rural effect, but they do have a disporportionate hand in the cause.
Thats a great line… we should put it on the ballot. Every UCP candidate only gets to identify themselves on the ballot as “Punch Me In The Face”
This is the only answer. Stop voting against your best interests rural Alberta.
Was on a wait list for 5 years in Ontario and no doctor given. It's more than just an Alberta/UCP issue.
Where in Ontario? My sister just moved to a small town in southern Ontario and snagged a doc right away.
Split their time? There are only 24 hours in a day.
Bruh it’s not a ucp problem it’s a CANADA problem this is not just happening in Alberta. Here in Ontario over 1,000 people lined up to get a new family doctor recently.
I wonder what Alberta and Ontario have in common? Couldn't be conservative premiers trying to dismantle public healthcare.
What a garbage take. Vancouver Island has the same problem. Edit: Downvote me all you want. I had to go to AB to get an MRI because BC shut down all the privately owned ones which quickly led to public ones being inundated. The Liberal ideology of "it must all be publicly controlled" is destroying availability of imaging equipment for those in need and those who can afford to pay.
>those who can afford to pay. Oop, there it is. The reason private Healthcare has lower wait times is because anyone who needs it but can't afford it has been removed from the list altogether. Private Healthcare supporters believe rich people should be entitled to jump the line for necessary care. Private Healthcare supporters think poor people don't deserve Healthcare. Private Healthcare supporters believe rich people have more right to life than poor people. Sounds like the garbage take is coming from inside the house, fam.
And now go further and imagine public healthcare didn't have to compete with the largest for profit system in the world and could collaborate better between provinces to reduce prices on pharmaceuticals. We act like medical advancements would just cease if there weren't huge profit margins, but it's just not true.
It really does come down to this but they refuse to see it. I had an argument with a friend about this recently There are two possible outcomes either: - Private healthcare is higher quality than public so you believe that poor people deserve worse healthcare? - Private healthcare is the same or lower quality than public... so why waste resources on the private healthcare?
The goal as a society should be to get health care to as many people as you can as quickly as you can. Stop worry about balancing, focus on increasing access and shortening wait times. Will private health care be better? Maybe, maybe not - i don't care. It's better than waiting in a line for months or, at this point years, to be seen. People are sick and dying right now - prioritize getting everyone access, worry about balancing quality and 'equitable outcomes' after people can get seen in a timely manner.
That's bullshit and you know it. Only some people would get seen sooner and those people are the people who can afford to pay. A poor person is still gonna have to wait months and years. If private MRI machines have so low wait times, then clearly they are being underused. Instead of creating a fast lane so that rich people can buy access to better healthcare outcomes. Why not nationalize those underused MRI machines in private use?
By paying for my MRI I am effectively paying twice. I pay out of pocket at the private place(which is what funds their machines/payroll/etc). And then I am also paying my part for the public health care system's MRIs THAT I AM NOT EVEN USING. How can you be against this?! If I get it at a private clinic I no longer take a spot in the public system queue - that's a good thing. Nationalizing them doesn't magically fix the finances/resource problem around MRIs all it does is hand a lump sum buyout to the private companies' owners?! Then you're still left with how to pay for upkeep of additional machines, payroll, etc?! You haven't solved the problem at all. Edit: Technically every person in the queue behind me is seen sooner. Have enough people paying for their MRIs and the publicly free ones won't have month/year waits. I pay for my groceries but contribute to food banks which I've never used. Why should this be any different?!
You are a short sighted idiot. Every person paying out of pocket isn't needing to use the public system which means reduced demand and by extension shorter wait times for people who need to use the pubic system. I'm not saying defund the public system, it needs more resources - just don't block private industry from providing additional supply.
Clearly, it's not "additional supply" if you're upset about private options being turned public and then being "inundated" with patients. Now, they're part of the general supply and still not even close to enough. You're mad those machines weren't reserved for rich people. You don't think poor people should be allowed to access those machines. You want there to be an option that is cost prohibitive to the majority so you can jump the line. But you've called a stranger an idiot for disagreeing with you, even though they offered a clear argument, so you don't seem to be the considerate type and it makes sense you would have this entitled worldview.
I called you an idiot because you make poor assumptions. They weren't "turned public", they were literally shut down. The buildings lights are out, they answer their phones but tell us they can only take patients from out of province.
BC has taken steps to address the issue (significant pay bump for family doctors and increasing medical school/residency spots for family medicine) that appear to be working in terms of increasing family doctors.
Funny though Island health had the second largest increase in family doctors in bc last year. BC, in general, is gaining doctors regularly, and a good portion are from Alberta. Alberta is losing them like crazy to everywhere. Alberta's problem is most definitely caused by the provincial government.
In bc have a doc that works 3 hours from my home. But at least I have a doc. No walk in clinics around here
Alberta doctor's warned the UCP when they took power and started their war on healthcare that they would be leaving Alberta. Kenney and Shandro chose to call their bluff and continue what they were doing. There may be issues Canada-wise, but no other province, aside from Ontario, took active steps to make things worse for their citizens. >Here in Ontario over 1,000 people lined up to get a new family doctor recently. An estimated 700,000+ Albertans have no family doctor. That's 1 in 5 Albertans.
In BC my 78 year old father has been on a waitlist for a family doctor since the beginning of 2021.
Even in 2012 I had issues finding a doctor that would accept me due to my medical issues. Older patients also don't get a doctor as soon due to the complex medical issues they have.
It is a Canada problem. Physicians across Canada have said "fuck it, I'm retiring". Freedom convoys and their members are also across Canada. Why work with patients screaming that you're trying to kill them with vaccines when they can just retire.
I would say this is a national problem.
All true!
its not an Alberta/UCP problem, its a Canadian problem. every single province is dealing with the same issues. look past your bias.
We were regarded as having the best healthcare in the country. We are now middle of the pack or lower, going from an A ranking to a B on outcomes. Things have gotten worse in a tough situation, due in no small part to the leadership in our province. There is a doctor shortage yes, but if that were the only factor all of Canada would have an even decline in care quality, which is not present in the data. Coupled with our economy being better than most provinces, there’s no reason we shouldn’t be top of the pack still. Even if our quality has declined.
It can be a problem everywhere and still be a *worse* problem in the province that actively attacked healthcare workers during the pandemic and continues to devalue them and treat them like villains. Look past your "both sides" and acknowledge that the UCP are blatantly anti-public healthcare, as that is their path to privatization.
Who is in charge of Healthcare in the province?
This isn’t just an Alberta problem, doctor shortages are a problem across Canada. It wasn’t any better when I was in BC.
BC currently seems to have the highest number of family physicians per capita. https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/02/09/bc-health-primary-care-update/
I believe this is what West Yellowhead voted for. Reap what you sow I suppose.
Voted for, cover their trucks with stickers simping for, illegally vandalized and stole signs opposing, the list goes on and on.
Unfortunately, as a Jasper resident, our votes are tied to Hinton/Edson.
Kinda weird, living in a National Park eh? Almost feels like, in a parallel universe, you could be a federal territory or some such thing.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. But yes, living in a national park is interesting.
I totally get what you mean. You almost feel like you live in ‘Canada’ rather than an actual town
Unfortunately as a Hintonite, I get looped in with these guys..
Shame that government allows labeling of physicians as pedophiles and sex offenders. Kinda makes a smart person not want to work there 🤷♀️
just to be clear. https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2024/06/18/ucp-fundraising-event-alberta-doctors/amp/?consent=true
Calling doctors pedophiles at a church? How ironic....
Makes sense, it's gonna be therapists hearing about what happens at the Church. Maybe they hope to keep it in the Church?
The UCP will need to answer to that or will they? Smith is a frigging time bomb
Pretty sure they are running these events.
Oh they are. The recent one was a candidates event. It’s was he who decided this was the case
Wut. Dude, go for a walk and hug someone that sort of loves you. Edit: I totally misunderstood. I thought this comment was a support for the ucp. My bad.
The UCP literally held a fundraiser at a church recently, where one of the speakers claimed doctors are all pedophiles somehow. Not saying that’s what the UCP all believe, but they do allow their members to hold events where they do invite speakers who say this shit.
https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2024/06/18/ucp-fundraising-event-alberta-doctors/amp/?consent=true
The mayor of Hinton, Alta., is sounding the alarm over what he calls the town’s deteriorating health care situation, saying half of the population has lost access to a family doctor in the past year. Every time they vote UCP you can expect this shit to happens and when I happens it’s not even fuckin funny anymore.
Most of the Physicians in Hinton that left, left to go to BC. It's a combination thing of our Government not doing enough to keep them and BC making things more enticing. People are correct in their assessment that it is a Canadian problem, but our provincial government just isn't doing enough to stimmy the tide.
Yup. Healthcare is fucking rough in all of Canada, but there is still a major difference between being antagonistic towards health care workers and purposefully sandbagging it vs trying to actually help healthcare whether it is effective or not. Id rather have a government actually try to improve shit and fail than a government that purposefully makes shit worse so they can get a payday/cushy gig after politics
Don’t forget specifically pulling their contract out from under them, and publicly vilifying them (calling them pedo’s for instance). Those are big pieces of this clear purposeful healthcare destroying puzzle.
These UCP people are deluded. I had conversations with rural Albertans before the election, and they literally thought that Smith was going to help solve the physician shortage. I asked "why would doctors want to work for a government that tears up contracts with doctors?" And then came the mental gymnastics. These folks are clueless about how Healthcare works and they are brainwashed.
It doesn't help Hinton that Grande Cache lost *all* their doctors and their only medical clinic. Hinton and Grande Prairie are the next "closest" towns to Grande Cache.
Repeat. Its not even fuckin funny anymore. Thanks.
Yeah which is why the next election same crowd will vote the party of clowns in the office all over again.
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They'll still blame notley and Trudeau and Biden
My GP in Calgary had her clinic closed 'out from under her' when the chain who runs the clinic decided to close it. We have no idea if shes going to resurface at a new clinic or not.
Something something leopards and faces
Keep voting conservative 🤡🤡🤡🤡
According to the article, it could be a plus for the UCP in this riding. >At the time, Nissen said he reached out to the province and, within days, met with Health Minister Adriana LaGrange. >"I’ve been absolutely impressed and very pleased with the support that we’ve been getting from the province," he said. It sounds a lot like an opportunity to push with the nurse practitioner plans. A lot of us would love to see this as a voter reality check, but it may very well be part of the "Burn it down, build it back up, take the credit" path that we're currently on. But because of prevailing cognitive dissonance and disinformation, I know I won't be keeping my hopes very high for now until we see what the new NDP leadership can do to sway voters. It sucks that real people have to suffer in these political games. A lot of people are voting against their own self-interests and it's tragic that they can't see it.
> "Burn it down, build it back up, take the credit" More like burn it down, sell the ashes and pocket the proceeds, give tax dollars to private healthcare to build it back up, act like this is a good thing and take the credit. If we just used those tax dollars to support the current system we wouldn't need to do all that other stuff and insert a middleman who literally only exists to extract profit, but of course that's the whole point.
Fact is the first few years of any privatized medical plan will most likely be rolled out with some kind of temporary insurance covered by the government. That will help shoulder the investment risk of starting up in Alberta, and give people the illusion that it's not entirely privatized on day one. But watch that insurance get rolled back as prices start "*stabilizing"* based on the supply and demand of the Alberta market.
What would be different from the current situation, where Blue Cross administers Alberta’s medical plans.
I imagine it might just look like Blue Cross coving family doctor’s visits or medical tests, stuff that is currently covered under the Canadian Health Act, however when/if the CPC win a majority they’ll be reforming the CHA to give provinces more power to open up healthcare to the free market.
It might temporarily work for them Nurse practitioners don't have degrees in medicine. Beyond routine check up stuff there will be a lot of referrals. Referrals to no one in Hinton.
Hinton steps on own dick, complains dick hurts.
When you vote for the ucp hard to feel sorry for you.
It isn’t just an AB problem but UCP took actions that made AB’s problem worse. Ripping up the DR contract, changing fee codes in midst of pandemic and other bone headed moves followed by electing an anti science premier created conditions that led to Dr’s leaving, retiring earlier than planned and family medicine residency positions left unfilled. BC is acting to turn their problem around and in the process attracting AB family docs.
Sucks to suck. Vote Orange.
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/2023\_Alberta\_General\_Election\_Map.svg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/2023_Alberta_General_Election_Map.svg) Hmmm. [https://calgary.citynews.ca/2024/06/18/ucp-fundraising-event-alberta-doctors/](https://calgary.citynews.ca/2024/06/18/ucp-fundraising-event-alberta-doctors/) HMMMMMMM.
THIS!!!! Why would doctors want to stay in this province! Honestly:/
Uh this is what they voted for and would do so again tomorrow if they could. Is this a Canada wide problem? Yes Is Alberta trying to stop the trend and working with doctors? No So yes folks Alberta is capable of improving the situation but refuse to do so.
r/leopardsatemyface
AND YET YOU VOTED UCP!
As long as people they don’t like get hurt, they don’t care. They’ll gripe and complain about this but as long as the UCP remain against queer folk and immigrants, they’ll keep electing them.
man, I can't find a family doctor in Edmonton, what hope does Hinton have
Who did Hinton vote for in the last provincial election, and the last 50 before that? You are, at this point, the living version of the guy jabbing a stick in his own bike spokes meme. Congrats!!
They did vote in the ANDP when they formed government, to be fair.
I have family that lives in Barrhead County. They are all conservative though not vitriolic psychopaths. As they get older this is the biggest issue in their lives. They fundamentally don’t understand why doctors don’t want to go serve their community. I’ve tried to explain that their communities are culturally not attractive to a young medical professional just out of school. There are doctor shortages everywhere. Why would someone go to rural Alberta when they can go basically anywhere else to find work. Just zero self awareness of how the world works.
I don't have a doctor and I live in Edmonton. Yay UCP!
Tends to happen when you tear up their contracts, make it impossible to maintain a practice & then call them pedophiles at an antivax rally. BC has been heavily recruiting AB physicians for the past 5 years & doing it successfully.
We are all paying the price of places like Hinton embracing the UCP. (And sadly I say this from another such place)
...ah third world problems, brought to you by the UCP and their supporters.
Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
I mean it is almost like cutting funding to rural doctors would end up in......no more rural doctors. Shit I am a genius, but still not dumb enough to qualify for the UCP government.
They voted for the shortage.
Don't worry, in a privatization scheme you can mass hate on health care workers, under pay them, provide stingly the required resources and they'll seek out to come live in your remote Canadian small city, town, or hamlet for the vibes.
Keep voting UCP and you won’t have any doctors. Or at least any public funded ones.
Does anyone actually believe Alberta can not afford to boost healthcare with Doctors and Nurses. We have billions to give to Oil and Gas. And by the way, where are all those Oil and Gas jobs.
Have they tried yelling at them from their driveways?
The announced retirement of one of the last doctors was really a nail in the coffin. Martin Milquetoast Long is a pathetic excuse for an MLA who's failed literally every community under his stewardship and whose only function appears to be doing grip and grins with children at lemonade stands. He let his own hospitals obstetric wards close over and over, he let Edsons emergency rooms close, he's let Hinton close multiple beds and obstetrics a number of times. He is ignorant to the industries developing in his riding; he is ignorant to the struggles of existing businesses in his riding; and his only activity of note was signing the idiot declaration during COVID. His social media is all just the same material as your Alberta, or grip and grins, and without any original thought or contribution - because he's never had one. This region shit in its bed during the election, and it will continue to shit in its own bed for the forseeable future, and then continue to be surprised when they wake up in the morning smelling like dookie. The double whammy of the most entitled, out of touch, 8 flights a week on the government dime boomer of all time as an MP is abysmal.
It's not just in rural every doctor I know works at multiple locations. Sucks but Alberta ain't the place for many physicians.
The first thing Manitoba NDP Wab Canoe did after being elected was to invest $309 million to hire 100 new Doctors. It's that simple.
I hope all the Hicks that voted UCP opened their eyes and see when they need the help that help isn't available. What fort mcleod's emergency department is closed from thursday morning until saturday because of doctor shortages that is unacceptable.
Honestly, my family doctor moved over a year ago, not found one since. And I'm in Calgary, so not exactly small town. Everywhere in the world seems to have a doctor's shortage right now. I have family in UK, Australia, and Canada - everywhere says the same thing " we have no GPs", no family doctors, etc. So the problem seems to be, no one has family doctors, because no-one wants to pay family doctors. I've heard here in Canada they get paid for a 6 minute consult - that didn't cover any in-depth discussion. So how about paying docs for the time they spend not the number of people they see.
Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.
Hinton voted for the reality they currently enjoy.
Can every community declare an emergency?
Smith isn't helping the situation.
Just wait until the rumored nurse layoffs start happening....we haven't seen nothing yet on how bad the healthcare system is going to get.
Who could have predicted a doctor shortage
Al those people there who voted for the UCP are like “Noah’s Arc is coming, it’s coming! We believe you Danielle”
The Alberta Advantage still going strong !!!
It’s not just Alberta, most provinces have doctor shortages. Even far left provinces, stop oversimplifying everything to just voting right or left. It’s not that simple
But let’s bring more people to here 🤪 I will be emailing [email protected] to inform him that Edmonton and Calgary aren’t exactly swimming with doctors in clinics all day LOL
Hinton destroys itself to 'own the libs'.
When is the NP project expanding and rolling out?
Hinton has a decent catchment area unfortunately.
I feel for ya’ll. We’ll be in the same boat if theBCL, BCU or BCCP get elected.
it's tough when access to healthcare becomes so limited. have there been any proposed solutions to address the doctor shortage?
UCP: “Geeze… I wonder where all the doctors went? Guess we’ll have to privatize healthcare! This is all Trudeau’s fault! We need to “Axe the Tax^TM” quick and “Bring it Home” for Canadians. That’ll fix the problem for sure.”
A former colleague's brother was a doctor in this part of AB in Edson and loved being a small town doctor for a long time. COVID brought out all types of crazy and he couldn't do it anymore. Conspiracy theorists and lunatics are driving away doctors from small towns.
We need to adopt the methods other provinces are to recurit and KEEP family docs in rural areas. There are hundreds of articles showing that if you don't support rural doctors they won't stay. Castlegar BC has a physician recruiter who works with the doctor long after they've relocated to make sure they have support and can lay down roots. BC rural health is developing networks for rural physicians to be able to FaceTime a specialist within 10min if they need help. It drastically decreases burn out.
You can always go buy some Dr. Pepper to solve your problem.
There's not a doctors shortage. There is a WAGE shortage. Import more immigrant doctors so they can refine their skill and go to America.
It's important to recognize Canada's particularly stupid bureaucracy tends to impact professionals ability to work here. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/medical-licensing-rules-doctor-shortages-1.6800655 Some quick googling suggests an average gp wage of $285k in Canada and an average US wage of the equivalent of $310k CAD. As like everyone else in Canada, few people want to work in remote Canadian towns because of the lifestyle. Immigrants may want to if we made their transition to medical practice less cumbersome.
You reap what you sow Hinton....
Who cares. You reap what you vote. They’ll vote UCP next time too
hahaha that's what you get for voting UCP!! Hope more small towns and cities who voted UCP experience the same thing!
No one actually read the article I see . They lost physicians due to retirement in a short period and the alarm was to raise awareness to the shortage that's there ...... but yes UCP bad !
Has no one considered that our young population is also moving to more urban centres rather than rural towns. Yes funding plays a massive part in it but it’s also not a coincidence that most places losing doctors due to retirement are rural areas where there is not enough young people coming in to fill their spots. The rural population is ageing faster than its urban and suburban counterparts. There is no incentive to move to smaller towns and with cost of living going up it’s almost impossible too
If they want more doctors then they have to lower the school costs.
Lots of whiners in here