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FWIW here's a summary of the entire thing:
* Quit a job in February 2018 without debriefing or decompressing
* Worked at an agency dealing with non-human intelligence (NHI), also known as EBEs
* Cannot disclose specific job details to avoid identification
* Writing to make peace with the situation, as traditional therapy hasn't helped
* Posting to discuss career history, the agency's functions, and personal thoughts
* Now a university professor
* Inspired to write the post after a student's comment
* Graduated in the early 90s with a degree never used professionally
* Started career as an assistant to a mechanical engineer at an aerospace contractor
* Eventually became a project manager for experimental aircraft
* Experienced strange occurrences and restricted access at certain facilities
* Interviewed for a secret agency in a SCIF within a house; the agency doesn't officially exist
* Worked in a paperless office with sophisticated intranet; strict secrecy protocols
* Describes working near a dangerous craft with advanced materials and shape designed for its purpose
* Agency hires individuals with little initial interest in the field, often from BYU
* NHIs resemble aliens from "Close Encounters"
* No live NHIs have been observed, only bodies
* NHIs interact with their craft biologically, sending signals to control systems
* NHIs potentially experiment on humans and animals, reasons unknown
* Lists and describes different "wings" of the agency, including Mechanical Engineering, Biology, Weapons Research, Computer Science, Tracking, Anthropology, Crash Recovery, and Security
* Craft use advanced navigation systems that avoid obstacles and can navigate through space-time
* NHI craft are difficult to track and often avoid detection by going underwater
* Some people can interfere with NHI craft, leading to occasional close encounters
* Believes multiple species of NHI might be misinformation and believes NHI intentions and origins are still unknown
* Security teams are highly elite, dedicated to keeping information secret and conducting disinformation campaigns
* Notes the challenge of organized disclosure due to conflicting information and security concerns
* Believes in the potential of the technology to revolutionize life but doubts significant progress will happen soon
* Crashes are rare and might sometimes be intentional
* Believes organized disclosure would be challenging due to lack of consistent information and the potential for serious global conflict
* No longer works in the field, now teaches full-time, and believes the story will come out eventually
Also mentioned that the program operated out of his/her “home state.” Now why in the hell would you include that detail if it meant you’d be summarily executed for posting this? Wayyy too much info was shared.
Comment I made on that post
>so those wings had an extremely high turnover rate of staff and there were about 50 in each wing yet later you mention there's only a handful of you so you have to care what you say?
>absolutely no paper was allowed in the office yet later you say one researcher did all his work on paper?
> you say there were no live aliens caught yet then claim there was an entire wing researching the aliens culture and how they interacted with the craft?
>the security was the elite of America's elite soldiers yet a group of tikokers would be able to storm the office?
Others mention the poster was mistaken about some security issues mentioned.
My 5 cents:
Point 1: I understood it like there is a high fluctuation, but because this person stayed there for a long time he would stand out from a hand full of people (who stayed as long as he did)
Point 3: We do study culture and Crafts of ancient cultures without them still living (e.g. Mayas etc...)
Point 4: I think it was more like an office building in a normal district, and storming a building in a city is easier than storming a very remote, secured Area with big distances (10's of km) between first security perimeter and the interesting buildings.
You make great points. Just wanted to say tho, that you can absolutely get info on culture from dead people. Archaeologists/Historians do it all the time.
Not at all, love open discussion and theories on this! Don’t care what you believe imo, but as the person receiving the notifications on this post, some of the comments attacking the original post are like copy & paste esq. And that’s sus
Honestly I don’t know how I feel about it yet, but it does seem to corroborate a lot of information from others coming forward in this capacity that claim to have knowledge about this shit show that is the NHI conversation. But again, I encourage hate free/bot free open discussion of all types if it adds depth to the conversation! We‘re all trying to find the truth here so let’s work together ladies & gentleman ❤️
I wanted to bring it back in to the light because it’s concerning how fast the account & post got nuked as well as the mods issuing an ultimatum of sorts? I mean there are way wackier posts that go untouched, why this one? Something that also should be discussed imo
I have considered that such posts could deliberately include mistakes or add non-existent details to throw off DOD investigators.
Does pointing out such inaccuracies or mistakes put the poster at risk? Perhaps, but then that is a risk of posting at a public forum frequented by non-citizens as well as foreign government agents.
>I have considered that such posts could deliberately include mistakes or add non-existent details to throw off DOD investigators.
>Does pointing out such inaccuracies or mistakes put the poster at risk? Perhaps, but then that is a risk of posting at a public forum frequented by non-citizens as well as foreign government agents.
How does that have any more weight or credibility here though than 'he was just lying and making it up', besides being something someone wants to subjectively believe?
Reason I ask, besides the fact a lot of people on this sub are way too eager to believe everything dropped into their lap and posted to this sub (speaking in general, not towards you) - I think the guy's full of shit because of this comment I made down below:
>"NHI potentially experiment on us, and definitely experiment on animals. We have no idea why."
>Proof it's fake there - NHI 100% absolutely experiment on us this has been going round the circles for a long time - we have implants and shit even lol - women get hybrid babies to carry then abducted and the aliens c-section the baby away - people getting parts lasered off just like cattle mutilations
>"potentially experiment on us'
>Guy was a LARP there's the proof right there
[Link](https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1ctna1x/norad_leak_the_interesting_parts/l4dycfl/?context=3)
Saying something is 100% is stretch.. and using that as a means of faulting validity is an interesting take. I mean we‘re dealing with unknown unknowns here and maybe his knowledge is limited on that specific part of the puzzle?
I’m more concerned about the sprinkle of breadcrumbs he left throughout the post that would make it easier to identify him with. Was it purposeful misinformation to throw people off the trail, or a person with a lot of time? If it’s the latter, they did their homework.
I used to believe everything and somewhere along the way started to not get swayed or excited immediately, so I understand the rationale of your observation and comment.
I read the “ do not know why” as still relevant even with your comment.
“They impregnated women and C-Section the babies” - we do not know why when they could very well abduct babies from hospitals or from remote locations.
“They remove our organs” - we do not know why when they could have very well grown these in their labs or just abduct a human being to extract the organs and then “demolecularise” the body ( living or not ) since they abduct in remote locations. We do not understand their morals and their psyche.
But all of that isn't 'potentially' experimenting on humans as he specifically said, whether we know their reasons or motives or not, it's 100% explicitly experimenting on humans. Plus like I said, abductees have gotten implants out or have medical imaging scans of implants inside them.
You gotta realize, you'll have people who will just want to trick you for the lulz or for the 2 seconds of internet fame they get.
He slipped up there in his LARP, didn't do enough research. Maybe reading about abductions and what takes place then scares him so that's why he didn't read about it and just put 'potentially' lol.
Since Betty and Barney Hill at least, 63 years ago now, we've heard of experiments. Even non-believers know of the experiments lol.
He says that nuclear explosions and experiments interfere with their craft. It’s one explanation of why they are so preoccupied with nuclear weapons (if true, of course)
When I first read that post, I thought I recall him saying something like "keep an eye out for a person wearing a pin with blah blah blah on it"
I couldn't find anything in the post, maybe it was in one of the comments?
Why did the aliens recover that craft that one time and what happened ?
What colour are the craft ?
What makes the metal, electronics, propulsion system so puzzling to understand ?
When making visually observations what are you looking it exactly ? How did it make you feel ? Did you ever try manifest the component to do something ?
OP‘s original post was deleted along with the account very shortly after being up. Can’t speak on the validity of the claims made but that is suspect in its own right
The account being deleted is most likely due to the top level Reddit mods, who shadow banned the EBE Biologist so they could track their location as the OP posted (but no one else could see his answers). Then deleted the account afterwards. Think the security services have at least one agent in the top level mod team. So probably that mod did it again.
The Good Trouble Show just released a new episode talking about how social media has been inflitrated (Lue episode).
If that is true, shouldn’t we not trust anything that is posted and not deleted here? If this sub is compromised at a mod level then we shouldn’t be using this sub, it’s worthless.
idk I've had this thought many times. My guess is that there is a threshold that needs to be crossed for them to take actions like deleting accounts/posts. Like when posters start detailing how shadow gov organizations are structured, where secret things are located, and/or what each of them is up to as it pertains to NHI/crash retrieval/reverse engineering/antigravity/other sensitive subjects.
It's easier for the eglin folks to discredit "trust me bro" posts talking about how the poster saw a strange craft/entity while on the job when the post isn't a deep dive into the inner workings of the shadow gov.
edit: if they just deleted every post/account that said some crazy (but true) stuff, it would be even more obvious. When it's only a couple every few months, maybe their thought is that it will look like the user deleted their own account/post.
idk just my take.
Idk how reddit infrastructure works, but if this was the case: is there a way for the mod who bans a user to be identified? And if not, would they be willing to identify themselves and/or elaborate on why a ban was placed? Seems reasonable to me
There's no alternative because "perception management" agents and can infiltrate any corner of the internet they want. At the end of the day the people running these campaigns are just people. They're not infallible and are often pretty lax in disguising themselves and their agenda. That may even be a tactic of theirs.
All we can do is remain vigilant, take everything with a grain of salt, keep the bickering to an absolute minimum and try to stick to the facts as much as possible.
Also, accepting that most of this stuff is largely outside of our control goes a long way.
Totally agree that any intel service worth its salt could infiltrate mod base with ease to control problematic leaks.
We should assume that this is the case
Just to clarify some things...
There was a comment on the post from one of the Mods asking for verification & we all discussed whether or not it was an ultimatum (honestly we are still in discussion on what to do with posts like this). The user was messaged from Modmail before that comment was sent and shortly after they deleted their account (or Reddit deleted them) but the post was still up last night when we were discussing it. Now from my end it says the "post was deleted by user" but I know the account was gone last night when the post was still up. I don't know if the user can delete content after they delete their account, but I am certain if it wasn't them it was Reddit Admins. This does happen to pretty much every well-written whistleblower post & it is impossible to say whether it is the user removing themselves suspiciously to add credibility/mystery or someone higher in Reddit. As of now, though, we aren't deleting these posts here.
I’d be curious to see how much intervention is taken by Reddit moderators, I’m not claiming a conspiracy yet but nothing would surprise me at this point.
Thank you for coming forward and speaking up about it. It just adds another layer of question marks and feels eerily similar to other subs that have gone through the same things in the past like:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/ep4dan/ufo-subreddit-was-subject-to-systemic-censorship
We try to be as open as we can here, & have discussions regularly on what is potentially 'curating' content or going too far. The whistleblower posts are extremely complex regarding a few things, such as how to keep the sub from being inundated with deliberate misinformation on one hand, & our inability to really "vet" a claim, on the other. We aren't suited to it (if it is even possible to really validate), and several legal issues, not the least of which is Reddit TOS, come into it. I don't personally have much knowledge of what Reddit admins have authority to do with content or subs that don't violate their Terms of Service, but I imagine IF any whistleblowers put genuine information here, we could not do anything to protect their post or account. The current team would definitely not remove a post with that much engagement and not comment the reason for the removal, though.
There were also a couple posts and comments that popped up looking to identify the OP or location of their work, which is another possible reason they might have removed all of it.
Thanks for clarifying. I think there is more stuff like that coming, and we would need a database of these archived, and then use a smart analysis process -- like citizen scientists -- to establish the potential truth of any of these.
Enjoyable as they are, I am starting to feel that there is too much speculation on these reddits, and too little structured analysis to make sense of these posts.
Thanks for clarifying… follow-up question… the following day I posted a video where a YouTuber was discussing the reddit whistle blower post, and MODS took it down, claiming I was advertising.
It was not my channel, I was not advertising, and other videos from YouTube have been allowed. Can I get clarification on why that particular Youtube link was singled out?
If you mean the OP "I worked with NHI tech" post, we can't reinstate it because our Mods didn't remove it. From our end, it shows as "this post was deleted by the user."
Theres a site or two where you can view it. Honestly I thought it obvious they were LARPing.
Comment I made on the post
>
> So these 'wings' had extremely high turnover rates of staff, up to 50 in each wing, yet later you mention theres so few of you.
> Also absolutely no paperwork is allowed, yet later you say one guy done his work on nothing but paper?
>You say that there were no live aliens ever caught, then later mention they had teams studying the aliens culture and how the aliens interacted with their craft?
> The security is the elite of Americas military elite, yet you say a group of tiktokers would be able to storm one of the offices you worked at?
That should be the case. What do you see when you view the post directly? I see:
"Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it."
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1cqwpdx/i_worked_on_a_team_that_dealt_with_with_nhi/
I do know the user account showed as deleted 1st because I was checking on the post regularly starting right after it went up.
It was flagged by the mods because it contained no actual substance and therefore the mods demanded OP to concretize his claims within 24 hours. The reasoning was: Everyone can make claims, write creative stories or simply let AI write a funny alien story. Posting some "crazy" theory or experience is one thing, making claims like OP did is basically destroying the essence of this subreddit considering that this enables creative copycats to do the same. Imagine posts like this flooding the sub every week to farm upvotes. This thread here is basically proof that it actually works if allowed.
But I have to give it to the original OP, including "Karen" and "AAAY LMAO" memes was funny but also, too obvious.
Uh no. People do that everyday in subreddits and aren't banned. Look at you try and normalize what happened...🤣
There are literally millions of people online doing that everyday without evidence in a wide variety of topics on multiple social media sites.....and they don't get banned 🤣
What's it like scrambling on a sinking ship? Never been on one.
The most interesting part of that post was their post history.
The original posters Reddit account was 18hrs old by the time I saw the post itself which at the time had been up for 15 hours.
their only other interaction on any other sub at the time they had made their post here was responding to a question in r/securityclearance not related to this topic.
His other only other interaction was this
“As long as you're not bankrupting yourself you'll be fine. The comment about SEAD is valid, as long as you live within your means you'll be okay.”
This was in regard to a person who is in the process of attaining their clearance asking if draft kings sports gambling will mess up his ability to get his clearance.
Edit: This to me lends credibility to the OP, that they have experience with the processes involved in attaining security clearances.
Maybe they were larping; personally I buy some of it. I think they truly held a clearance, and I think were a nuclear inspector prior to being brought into whatever they are claiming they got brought into. That job is rather mundane and like being a “glorified HVAC inspector”; but it requires a clearance and takes you into secure sites regularly.
The some of the details in their post line up with how secret information is handled irl and compartmentalized like when he talked the building within a building aka a SCIF. Not all SCIFs are like this, some are just secure rooms but some absolutely are like buildings within a building.
One of the main credentials you need to get a TS clearance is being debt free or at least below a certain amount, like say owing traffic ticket misdemeanor money to a collection agency. So if the original OP was posting about that, then theres a bit of a lead there on validation.
>One of the main credentials you need to get a TS clearance is being debt free or at least below a certain amount, like say owing traffic ticket misdemeanor money to a collection agency.
So a mortgage or a car loan doesn't count against you (provided you pay on time), but anything overdue or revolving credit carrying a balance does count against you?
Correct. They're looking for bribe vulnerability. If you've declared bankruptcy that's also sometimes a red flag. Honestly if you have "normal" debt (student loans/mortgage/auto etc) they don't care...but if you have like $60K in credit card debt or an extremely low credit score or you declared bankruptcy or something like that you're going to be flagged.
And the most important thing of all...NEVER lie/omit anything they ask for. You're way better off disclosing something than hiding it. Example: A DUI doesn't matter nearly that much but not disclosing you had a DUI would probably get you rejected.
That's pretty much how I understood it, but I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on it and educate me further!
Not that I would ever be eligible anyway lol
Also I see ppl dissing on a SCIF or SCIFlike facility in a house.
This is absolutely a thing. There are probably more privately owned SCIFs than gov owned, all told.
You are definitely right about the SCIF. I live in Northern Virginia outside of DC. Someone posted on our Nextdoor a few weeks ago that they had just moved into a house that had a SCIF in one of the rooms. They were asking for advice on how to get internet and cell service to work in the room.
I have family there who work in DC with high clearances. They've mentioned that there's a ton of government owned properties for meetings and stuff.
One of them became interested in UAP after grusch. They've been in the DC world for a while and believe him, but their field is unrelated.
I had a TS/SCI job as a DoD contractor for almost a decade. I didn't know anything about anything, and still don't. Don't lend too much credence to a security clearance.
I've worked in very mundane defense engineering and I could have written that post entirely from common UFO lore in about 30 minutes.
It might be a LARP, it might not. Even ignoring the contradictions, it gave us nothing new or verifiable as to be functionally different than a creative writing exercise.
I don't see much value in dissecting it. Most likely the OP is lurking, reveling in the shit they stirred.
It did feel legitimate to me, and I’ve been trying to pin down the reason, and I think it’s because a LARPer likely would have made up some cool shit. Even just one or two things. However this post followed lore completely.
Yea, but he also said that much of his work was "unclassified" due to the org not wanting to have their information "classified" by others.
This was a blatant bullshit claim that anyone who has held a TS clearance can refute. If you take your annual training on classification and reporting you will know that this is not how it works. There is no classifying agency, and in many instances, the people that create the documents classify it themselves.
I found his replies more interesting, especially this
“The theory goes something like this: everything that has a life experience shares some sort of connection. These connections manifest themselves as some sort of mesh. The way the robots work in westworld is weird analogy but sort of what they believe. At some point, the mesh becomes dense enough for something to happen. I believe it has something to do with time, if enough shared history exists it can be manipulated somehow. The motivations behind this manipulation are unknown. Asking about this was an easy way to get in trouble. I agree that the biology department should know. It wasn't info I was privy to. I will say that doing experiments beyond basic observation was something people argued over because they don't want to damage what little we have.”
The connection part sounds a lot like brain synchronicity that occurs between humans and animals when sharing the same experience, described here - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brain-waves-synchronize-when-people-interact/
I’m not sure if I believe him but I like the idea that our consciousness has some hidden power that we’re yet to discover.
He's definitely stere here 🖤 energy can't be destroyed and our spirits/souls are nothing but high energy. We pass into the "energy"/spiritual realm, where we lose our physical senses and this allows us to see/feel with our spiritual senses. Energy is eternal, we just haven't found a way to tap into that yet. I pray that you have peace through this loss. It's never an easy thing, especially when it's a child. 🖤
Would love to see it, it’s strange that the post garnered over 1k + comments in less than a few hours.. I went through a lot of them & found an alarming number of bots
I copied the post text and screenshoted the best responses I could find. I strongly felt that he seemed to be the real deal and would get deleted by the security/counter intel team. Awesome to see this stuff leaking out in such a public forum.
I don't recall any NORAD reference. Where does that come from?
An ex r/UFOs mod made a detailed comment recently about the enormous amount of bots/ accounts dedicated to spreading mis info & sketchy messages to members/mods in the community regarding disinformation which they cataloged over a period of time. They deduced the main goal was pitting the bots & accounts against eachother to aid in polarizing the issue even further in order to blur the lines and distract us from what’s really important
Similar campaign to what US adversaries did during election cycles. Highly effective if done right. That’s why I encourage everyone to draw their own conclusions after doing your due diligence on the subject matter at hand
Critical thinking is in short supply these days. It’s crazy what the DoD and CIA are doing to muddy the waters. I watched the Good Trouble Show live last night and I was really hoping the main points would have caused more of a stir on here today. I see so many people bashing Lue and saying “2 more weeks” and “blue balls”. Who has done more for the subject? I don’t at all understand the hate. Him and Ross seemed positive more stuff was on the horizon and I thought there was some pretty big revelations. The fact he was in on the Khalid Sheik Mohammed (sp?) prosecution was pretty telling. He was at the top. The man’s an American hero imo. Hope he stays safe shits wild
Does any one else notice that when there is a UFO story that makes the Government look bad all of a sudden you get no UFO posts in your main feed? I actually had to search the sub to find it yesterday and I read a lot of ufo post
My algorithm stopped showing me this sub and other ones associated with similar discussions. This is the first post I came across in the last week or so that actually showed on my feed
Look into dead internet theory, stuff they don't want you to know did an episode a few days ago on it. Pretty wild stuff, most internet traffic these days are from bots.
It is called the Hegelian Dialectic it is about framing everything in 2 sides. The goal of those opposing bots is to get people to argue about something different than what you don't want them discussing.
For example, anytime you see someone say "but this politician said or did this" it is typically a framing to get people to argue about a polarizing subject (which they made polarizing by weaponizing journalism). When a 2 sided argument occurs, most people will jump in one side or the other and if you try to engage in honest conversation about the distraction they have already won.
I think it's simpler than that - seems to be a night and day difference in the bot uptick on this site when it "went public."
Tale as old as time - tech/social company needs to collect user data and show increasingly active users and engagement for advertisers and make it more appealing for stakeholders. How do you drive engagement? Use bots to post controversial comments, curated by mining years of user-generated posts proven to provoke reactions (seems more emotionally agnostic, especially compared to facebooks and twitters approach) and drive discussion.
Explaining that navigation mode as “essentially a 3D Dijkstra algorithm” is like calling the space shuttle “essentially a metal paper airplane”. I’m amused.
" it's essentially a 3D dijkstra algorithm"
This algorithm makes no attempt of direct "exploration" towards the destination as one might expect. Rather, the sole consideration in determining the next "current" intersection is its distance from the starting point. This algorithm therefore expands outward from the starting point, interactively considering every node that is closer in terms of shortest path distance until it reaches the destination. When understood in this way, it is clear how the algorithm necessarily finds the shortest path. However, it may also reveal one of the algorithm's weaknesses: its relative slowness in some topologies.
You may be 5 miles from home vs 10 but stuck in traffic behind an accident that has shut down the highway.
I would certainly not base my interstellar travel on such an algorithm.
>However, it may also reveal one of the algorithm's weaknesses: its relative slowness in some topologies.
But speed or "slowness" is a function of time, not to mention a concept which only has meaning within a frame of reference. If you push a bit against current understanding of 4 dimensional space-time, its not impossible to imagine technology which has the capability to manipulate what we understand as time or space.
" If you push a bit against current understanding of 4 dimensional space-time"
The issue is infinity is a mathematical concept, but no one has ever or ever will count to infinity. for all i know space becomes super dense when I leave my solar system or one of those many "strands" that exist in the universe are super dense and slows me down. I don't know what I don't know, so just because an algorithm makes sense in certain situations doesn't mean it's a smoking gun or certainty to some kind of ET travel. space, time, physics all may behave differently in another solar system or galaxy, or maybe on the other side of the universe. we simply don't know and will likely never know.
it's 2 miles as the crow flies to get from A to B, but oh wait there is volcano that we didn't know about and now you are dead. too many uncertainties to not question "certainties".
so the claim of "3D dijkstra algorithm" doesn't really show or prove anything, even if it sounds or seems neat.
Oh, that was the bullshit post that contradicts itself every other paragraph.
Nobody was allowed to use any paper to do work. Later they say one researcher used nothing but paper.
They had many 'wings with a huge turnover rate, later, I have to be careful not too give too much away as there's not many of us.
The elite of America's military were their security, later, a group of tikokers would be able to get into the office building.
No live aliens were ever recovered then they say there was a wing dedicated to studying the aliens culture and how they interacted with the craft.
How can people not see that for the bullshit it was?
Regarding your observation about “no aliens being alive”, you know ancient cultures are studied without having anyone alive, right? Scientists/researchers look for clues to hypothesise about their way of living
Entirely possible it was purposeful distraction. If you *REALLY* want to be safe and anonymous, throw people off your trail and get them to question you without making them think you are completely insane. The ones who know, know.
This post seems to me to be written by the same author who did the anthology post and the molecular biologist post. The style word choice and structure are similar. That leads me to the likely conclusion that they are all fictional stories with a lot of real or rumored elements incorporated.
Could be just good fiction or could be a clever way to communicate classified details or it could be disinformation aimed at undermining real information with a fake story
Everything's on the table until something's taken off, right?
I wouldn't be surprised if those pushing and advocating for disclosure were orchestrating an info dump via anonymous leaks on social media to combat the disinformation campaign currently at play.
If these leaks are all fabrications then there are some talented people out there wasting energy they could be channeling into writing some quality sci fi stories.
The amount of negativity that was so immediate in the comments, and then the way "VETTED" jumped on it is incredibly suspicious. This could be a legit leaker. It matches a lot of what other whistleblowers and leakers have claimed. No way to verify but thats kind of how this works. Personally this seems true, and I don't trust VETTED at all so my expectation is this containt some legit information and possibly some false information in order to conceal the OP's identity.
We reinstated that post. It looks like the MOD thought it was your channel, but I'm not sure why. Apologies for that. If content is removed & you think it is in error, modmail us with a message to get a 2nd look or explanation.
I think it’s important to bring this post back in the loop as well as it may corroborate the claim of BYU recruitment in OP‘s post & insight on anthropology relating to this topic but it does contradict the ”no living specimens to his knowledge portion” as this person claims to have read interviews of live subjects. Worth a read as well..
”I worked for a university in the western United States. For cultural reasons, students and faculty at this particular university are more likely to be selected for sensitive government work. ”
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/9LItGprwEY
"Unlike DFS and BFS, Dijkstra's Algorithm (DA) finds the lengths of the shortest paths from the start node to all the other nodes in the graph. Though limited to finite graphs, DA can handle positive-weighted edges in contrast to DFS and BFS."
So if it works like a dijkstra, then would it not show that space-time (or at least space) would therefore be finite?
There is a good example of it in the comments on this post. It definitely does happen without bots too, by users making arguments on assumption or generalization, so I don't want to point out the specific comment because the commenter may just be a real fallacy, but the elements are:
- make a point about the post/subject that is not accurate but close enough to 'ring a bell'.
- compare it to something that is usually also not accurate, generally by inference.
- steer or keep argument on credibility of OP/subject instead of specific details.
"OP said facilities were paperless" (OP stated their own facility was paperless.)
"OP said colleague used only paper for calculations." (OP said that particular engineering office was computerless.)
Then, the argument becomes about nontruths, so the credibility always sways in a desired direction.
After doing some data compiling on my recent posts/ others, I’ve deduced the bot accounts & mud throwers as I like to call them will have a random name usually with an underscore or dash in it, no pfp, and a sequence of 4 numbers at the end of said name. (Basically all default names)
They usually have 0 posts, only comments, and the accounts are fairly new. All engaging in the same behavior you pointed out.
It’s a pattern..
(Some have followed me/blocked them all)
So many reasons to be skeptical about this poster. Let's just focus on the navigation piece. The craft supposedly navigates using Dijkstra's algorithm which OP claims has "befuddled generations of researchers" even though this is an algorithm that has existed since the 1950s. The algorithm was so conceptually simple that its inventor came up with it in 20 minutes in his head while shopping with his fiancée. But beyond that, Dijkstra's algorithm is about finding the shortest path between multiple *nodes*. This would be analogous to streets on a map where travel is constrained by streets and intersections (i.e., the pathways and nodes).
The problem? This is not how space travel would work. Space is empty. It is so empty that when the Andromeda galaxy eventually collides with our Milk Way galaxy, astronomers predict that not a single planetary or solar object will collide. What does it mean if space is empty? The shortest path between two points in space is... *a straight line*.
This individual seems to be conflating things like celestial navigation (a well-understood human-level technology that has existed for decades and was famously used by the SR-71 Blackbird, among other aircraft and spacecraft, to determine one's position in space relative to something else) with concepts like time dilation (a concept from the early 1900s that is so human-level in understanding that every satellite in space accounts for it) and nodal navigation (which is a hot topic in AI today, but not very relevant to navigating in empty space).
This individual, who claims they were just a project manager, purports to know overarching information about so many different aspects and organizations within the most secretive and compartmentalized project on the planet which defies how such compartmented programs work. Combine this with the fact that they write in a manner entirely inconsistent with someone who's supposedly a university professor, and all of this seems beyond highly skeptical.
Your first take you misrepresent what the OP said. That's a no no in debate. He clearly stated it was ESSENTIALLY a 3D Dijkstra Algo....probably because that's what humans do. Put things in a box our mind can understand....he used his best example we know to explain it.
But you knew that. Fuck the rest of your post.
What this guy said ☝️
Adding to it, where the fuck do these people get off suggesting this is a larp just because this guy "doesn't talk like a university professor"?? I'm a senior scientist with a PhD and make NO effort to talk or write how i would for an academic publication in ANY context other than writing scientific literature. I literally call directors "dude" in meetings, and they call me "dude" back. I've met most of the top professors in my field from MIT, Cal Tech, Harvard etc. and everyone under 50 talks like a normal fucking human being. English is a second or third language for half of them and their writing sucks.
Bru , “Shortest path between 2 points in space is a straight path“ laughs in Hyperbolic geodesics. don’t kill me just putting out my opinion as a 20 yr old high school dropout
Uh no, their use of the word “essentially” does not somehow make their reference to Dijkstra’s algorithm more appropriate. I could say your dog is essentially an apple (they both have DNA!), but that would be pretty stupid, wouldn’t it? “Yes, but I said ESSENTIALLY!” 😂
I hope you stretch before working out too. At least in that space it's helpful. Here, not so much.
You definitely can interpret it that way! When one lacks a lot of common sense! When you actually put it back into context....it makes complete sense.
Although I tentatively suspend my specific prior advanced physics related reason for thinking it was BS, I still think it's BS for other reasons. Too much of it just doesn't make logical/rational/consistent sense.
This is not at all how compartmentalization works. If he was just an engineer he would have no knowledge of what other "wings " exist or where finding comes from..or what they look like ect ect. They certainly don't talk like someone who's educated in engineering.. lost me at "like smoke from an exhaust pipe". If there's smoke coming out of your exhaust pipe you've got problems 😂
I don’t think the post was intended to be technical at all. It was made in laymen’s terms to get a lot of info out at a basic level. As far the compartmentalization idk, but if they’re speaking to each other on a personal level I’m sure information gets passed along. All of Grusch’s claims are similar in nature.
“I do know its HQ is hidden in almost plain sight. I still feel like the guy who told me where it is had to be lying, because it was just too obvious.” **AREA 51**
You don’t need “bots or disinformation agents” 🤣🤣
The fact that they don’t know how the space time coordinate system works and try to attribute to some guys algorithm they can’t explain beyond “essentially” is proof enough to know homie is tiptoeing in lala land.
The fact that he put identifying information at the beginning of his post, ie month and year he left the job make me think this is fake.
If he was real, he would animalize his personal information more.
It’s hard not to lean in to believing some of these well-written whistleblower posts because they do corroborate so much, even providing further details in some cases..
Personally I think some of it might be valid information the more I hear eyewitness testimony from ex military/nasa/DoD personel. The Nazca mummies are also making me question everything from a scientific, historical, & anthropological prospective. Those are real bodies, but what tf are they? And how much do our governments really know??
Mods delete the post. It seemed like it was a LARP. The poster wanted to remain anonymous but was so sloppy in giving away guesses that it totally seemed like it was bullshit
Ok, I am gonna be totally honest (and I might lose my shit). The one thing I want to know if NHI und UAPs exist (cuz what do I know): HOW DOES THE PHYSICS BEHIND IT WORK?!?!?!?! PLEASE! AFTER YEARS OF READING AND THINKING ABOUT IT: I WANT TO KNOW HOW DO THEY OPERATE, HOW DOES A UFO WORK, HOW DOES SPACE-TIME REALLY WORK, WHAT IS THE POWER SOURCE?!?!?!? I NEED TO KNOW. How close is Einsteins GRT to the reality? Is string theory or loop quantum theory or Weinstein's Theory or whoever's idea the closest!??!? I wished someday a NHI or whatever hears my thoughts and touches me by accident in the subway and I get a download of those answers. No interaction, no scary abduction, no prove, just knowledge.
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Reposting this if y’all want the full thing https://archive.is/Z0pT0
FWIW here's a summary of the entire thing: * Quit a job in February 2018 without debriefing or decompressing * Worked at an agency dealing with non-human intelligence (NHI), also known as EBEs * Cannot disclose specific job details to avoid identification * Writing to make peace with the situation, as traditional therapy hasn't helped * Posting to discuss career history, the agency's functions, and personal thoughts * Now a university professor * Inspired to write the post after a student's comment * Graduated in the early 90s with a degree never used professionally * Started career as an assistant to a mechanical engineer at an aerospace contractor * Eventually became a project manager for experimental aircraft * Experienced strange occurrences and restricted access at certain facilities * Interviewed for a secret agency in a SCIF within a house; the agency doesn't officially exist * Worked in a paperless office with sophisticated intranet; strict secrecy protocols * Describes working near a dangerous craft with advanced materials and shape designed for its purpose * Agency hires individuals with little initial interest in the field, often from BYU * NHIs resemble aliens from "Close Encounters" * No live NHIs have been observed, only bodies * NHIs interact with their craft biologically, sending signals to control systems * NHIs potentially experiment on humans and animals, reasons unknown * Lists and describes different "wings" of the agency, including Mechanical Engineering, Biology, Weapons Research, Computer Science, Tracking, Anthropology, Crash Recovery, and Security * Craft use advanced navigation systems that avoid obstacles and can navigate through space-time * NHI craft are difficult to track and often avoid detection by going underwater * Some people can interfere with NHI craft, leading to occasional close encounters * Believes multiple species of NHI might be misinformation and believes NHI intentions and origins are still unknown * Security teams are highly elite, dedicated to keeping information secret and conducting disinformation campaigns * Notes the challenge of organized disclosure due to conflicting information and security concerns * Believes in the potential of the technology to revolutionize life but doubts significant progress will happen soon * Crashes are rare and might sometimes be intentional * Believes organized disclosure would be challenging due to lack of consistent information and the potential for serious global conflict * No longer works in the field, now teaches full-time, and believes the story will come out eventually
Wants to avoid identification but provides so much details including the month and year that he quit, and what career he's now working in?
Or maybe the personal info is deliberately misleading.
Of course it is, just like he learned from the organization
Also mentioned that the program operated out of his/her “home state.” Now why in the hell would you include that detail if it meant you’d be summarily executed for posting this? Wayyy too much info was shared.
He had 1968 in his username, which would make him what.. 55 years old? He sounds book-intelligent, but boomers and social media never mix.
55 isn’t a boomer
Yeah. I'm Gen X.
Ever heard of a red herring?
That's exactly what I thought. Your common repo man could find this guy with what he gave us. If that was the goal I don't see how he doesn't fail.
Comment I made on that post >so those wings had an extremely high turnover rate of staff and there were about 50 in each wing yet later you mention there's only a handful of you so you have to care what you say? >absolutely no paper was allowed in the office yet later you say one researcher did all his work on paper? > you say there were no live aliens caught yet then claim there was an entire wing researching the aliens culture and how they interacted with the craft? >the security was the elite of America's elite soldiers yet a group of tikokers would be able to storm the office? Others mention the poster was mistaken about some security issues mentioned.
My 5 cents: Point 1: I understood it like there is a high fluctuation, but because this person stayed there for a long time he would stand out from a hand full of people (who stayed as long as he did) Point 3: We do study culture and Crafts of ancient cultures without them still living (e.g. Mayas etc...) Point 4: I think it was more like an office building in a normal district, and storming a building in a city is easier than storming a very remote, secured Area with big distances (10's of km) between first security perimeter and the interesting buildings.
Where'd point 2 go?
Abducted 🛸
You make great points. Just wanted to say tho, that you can absolutely get info on culture from dead people. Archaeologists/Historians do it all the time.
Shhh, we're not allowed to point out stuff like this or we're all disinfo bots/agents according to OP.
Not at all, love open discussion and theories on this! Don’t care what you believe imo, but as the person receiving the notifications on this post, some of the comments attacking the original post are like copy & paste esq. And that’s sus
Oh got it, sorry I'm just used to the usual "anyone who disagrees or doesn't believe is a bot".
Honestly I don’t know how I feel about it yet, but it does seem to corroborate a lot of information from others coming forward in this capacity that claim to have knowledge about this shit show that is the NHI conversation. But again, I encourage hate free/bot free open discussion of all types if it adds depth to the conversation! We‘re all trying to find the truth here so let’s work together ladies & gentleman ❤️ I wanted to bring it back in to the light because it’s concerning how fast the account & post got nuked as well as the mods issuing an ultimatum of sorts? I mean there are way wackier posts that go untouched, why this one? Something that also should be discussed imo
I missed the mod ultimatum and I’m sure others did too. Went to sleep. What was it?
”OP, since this is just another wall of text, please substantiate your claims in the next 12hrs”
Yet the OP deleted it not the mods. When an OP deletes a comment/post it says 'deleted', when removed by mods/admins it'll say 'removed'.
I have considered that such posts could deliberately include mistakes or add non-existent details to throw off DOD investigators. Does pointing out such inaccuracies or mistakes put the poster at risk? Perhaps, but then that is a risk of posting at a public forum frequented by non-citizens as well as foreign government agents.
>I have considered that such posts could deliberately include mistakes or add non-existent details to throw off DOD investigators. >Does pointing out such inaccuracies or mistakes put the poster at risk? Perhaps, but then that is a risk of posting at a public forum frequented by non-citizens as well as foreign government agents. How does that have any more weight or credibility here though than 'he was just lying and making it up', besides being something someone wants to subjectively believe?
Good question, and I feel that’s the nature of such a sub and such a topic - we cannot always be certain.
Reason I ask, besides the fact a lot of people on this sub are way too eager to believe everything dropped into their lap and posted to this sub (speaking in general, not towards you) - I think the guy's full of shit because of this comment I made down below: >"NHI potentially experiment on us, and definitely experiment on animals. We have no idea why." >Proof it's fake there - NHI 100% absolutely experiment on us this has been going round the circles for a long time - we have implants and shit even lol - women get hybrid babies to carry then abducted and the aliens c-section the baby away - people getting parts lasered off just like cattle mutilations >"potentially experiment on us' >Guy was a LARP there's the proof right there [Link](https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1ctna1x/norad_leak_the_interesting_parts/l4dycfl/?context=3)
Saying something is 100% is stretch.. and using that as a means of faulting validity is an interesting take. I mean we‘re dealing with unknown unknowns here and maybe his knowledge is limited on that specific part of the puzzle? I’m more concerned about the sprinkle of breadcrumbs he left throughout the post that would make it easier to identify him with. Was it purposeful misinformation to throw people off the trail, or a person with a lot of time? If it’s the latter, they did their homework.
I used to believe everything and somewhere along the way started to not get swayed or excited immediately, so I understand the rationale of your observation and comment. I read the “ do not know why” as still relevant even with your comment. “They impregnated women and C-Section the babies” - we do not know why when they could very well abduct babies from hospitals or from remote locations. “They remove our organs” - we do not know why when they could have very well grown these in their labs or just abduct a human being to extract the organs and then “demolecularise” the body ( living or not ) since they abduct in remote locations. We do not understand their morals and their psyche.
But all of that isn't 'potentially' experimenting on humans as he specifically said, whether we know their reasons or motives or not, it's 100% explicitly experimenting on humans. Plus like I said, abductees have gotten implants out or have medical imaging scans of implants inside them. You gotta realize, you'll have people who will just want to trick you for the lulz or for the 2 seconds of internet fame they get. He slipped up there in his LARP, didn't do enough research. Maybe reading about abductions and what takes place then scares him so that's why he didn't read about it and just put 'potentially' lol. Since Betty and Barney Hill at least, 63 years ago now, we've heard of experiments. Even non-believers know of the experiments lol.
Ok so who gets to decide what parts are complete fabrications and what parts are absolutely positively true?
How do people interfere w the craft? Any more on this?
He says that nuclear explosions and experiments interfere with their craft. It’s one explanation of why they are so preoccupied with nuclear weapons (if true, of course)
Not that point. Sounds like “some people can interfere e NHI craft…” is separate to that..and perhaps alluding to CE5?
When I first read that post, I thought I recall him saying something like "keep an eye out for a person wearing a pin with blah blah blah on it" I couldn't find anything in the post, maybe it was in one of the comments?
Doing God’s work 🙌🏾 - Ty
🫡 Not letting this one fizzle out so easily as I’m sure they wanted…
Why did the aliens recover that craft that one time and what happened ? What colour are the craft ? What makes the metal, electronics, propulsion system so puzzling to understand ? When making visually observations what are you looking it exactly ? How did it make you feel ? Did you ever try manifest the component to do something ?
Such a good one, thanks
GOAT 🐐 thanks homie
wait this post got deleted ?
IDK but I took screenshots of the original incase it did. Same playbook every time.
I copied the text to my notes app. So kinda same.
Me too.
Could you let me get access to this? Thanks.
DMed you the text. :)
Can you dm me as well? Ty
Thanks!
Me as well please kind Reddit person!!
We are just getting too smart over here 😂
Same same
Could I somehow get a hold of these?
OP‘s original post was deleted along with the account very shortly after being up. Can’t speak on the validity of the claims made but that is suspect in its own right
The account being deleted is most likely due to the top level Reddit mods, who shadow banned the EBE Biologist so they could track their location as the OP posted (but no one else could see his answers). Then deleted the account afterwards. Think the security services have at least one agent in the top level mod team. So probably that mod did it again. The Good Trouble Show just released a new episode talking about how social media has been inflitrated (Lue episode).
If that is true, shouldn’t we not trust anything that is posted and not deleted here? If this sub is compromised at a mod level then we shouldn’t be using this sub, it’s worthless.
idk I've had this thought many times. My guess is that there is a threshold that needs to be crossed for them to take actions like deleting accounts/posts. Like when posters start detailing how shadow gov organizations are structured, where secret things are located, and/or what each of them is up to as it pertains to NHI/crash retrieval/reverse engineering/antigravity/other sensitive subjects. It's easier for the eglin folks to discredit "trust me bro" posts talking about how the poster saw a strange craft/entity while on the job when the post isn't a deep dive into the inner workings of the shadow gov. edit: if they just deleted every post/account that said some crazy (but true) stuff, it would be even more obvious. When it's only a couple every few months, maybe their thought is that it will look like the user deleted their own account/post. idk just my take.
Idk how reddit infrastructure works, but if this was the case: is there a way for the mod who bans a user to be identified? And if not, would they be willing to identify themselves and/or elaborate on why a ban was placed? Seems reasonable to me
There's no alternative because "perception management" agents and can infiltrate any corner of the internet they want. At the end of the day the people running these campaigns are just people. They're not infallible and are often pretty lax in disguising themselves and their agenda. That may even be a tactic of theirs. All we can do is remain vigilant, take everything with a grain of salt, keep the bickering to an absolute minimum and try to stick to the facts as much as possible. Also, accepting that most of this stuff is largely outside of our control goes a long way.
Pretty sure they have mods in most subs. Is that surprising to you?
They meant Reddit admins, so it's Reddit as a whole, not the mods of this subreddit.
woaw, makes you think... everyone is like : this is fiction. and then this happens...
Totally agree that any intel service worth its salt could infiltrate mod base with ease to control problematic leaks. We should assume that this is the case
Just to clarify some things... There was a comment on the post from one of the Mods asking for verification & we all discussed whether or not it was an ultimatum (honestly we are still in discussion on what to do with posts like this). The user was messaged from Modmail before that comment was sent and shortly after they deleted their account (or Reddit deleted them) but the post was still up last night when we were discussing it. Now from my end it says the "post was deleted by user" but I know the account was gone last night when the post was still up. I don't know if the user can delete content after they delete their account, but I am certain if it wasn't them it was Reddit Admins. This does happen to pretty much every well-written whistleblower post & it is impossible to say whether it is the user removing themselves suspiciously to add credibility/mystery or someone higher in Reddit. As of now, though, we aren't deleting these posts here.
I’d be curious to see how much intervention is taken by Reddit moderators, I’m not claiming a conspiracy yet but nothing would surprise me at this point.
Thank you for coming forward and speaking up about it. It just adds another layer of question marks and feels eerily similar to other subs that have gone through the same things in the past like: https://www.vice.com/en/article/ep4dan/ufo-subreddit-was-subject-to-systemic-censorship
We try to be as open as we can here, & have discussions regularly on what is potentially 'curating' content or going too far. The whistleblower posts are extremely complex regarding a few things, such as how to keep the sub from being inundated with deliberate misinformation on one hand, & our inability to really "vet" a claim, on the other. We aren't suited to it (if it is even possible to really validate), and several legal issues, not the least of which is Reddit TOS, come into it. I don't personally have much knowledge of what Reddit admins have authority to do with content or subs that don't violate their Terms of Service, but I imagine IF any whistleblowers put genuine information here, we could not do anything to protect their post or account. The current team would definitely not remove a post with that much engagement and not comment the reason for the removal, though. There were also a couple posts and comments that popped up looking to identify the OP or location of their work, which is another possible reason they might have removed all of it.
Thanks for clarifying. I think there is more stuff like that coming, and we would need a database of these archived, and then use a smart analysis process -- like citizen scientists -- to establish the potential truth of any of these. Enjoyable as they are, I am starting to feel that there is too much speculation on these reddits, and too little structured analysis to make sense of these posts.
> we aren't deleting these posts here Unless... you're in on the cover up! Gig's up entfarts... what do you really know of NHIs? ;)
Thanks for clarifying… follow-up question… the following day I posted a video where a YouTuber was discussing the reddit whistle blower post, and MODS took it down, claiming I was advertising. It was not my channel, I was not advertising, and other videos from YouTube have been allowed. Can I get clarification on why that particular Youtube link was singled out?
Thanks for explaining, can you restore the post?
If you mean the OP "I worked with NHI tech" post, we can't reinstate it because our Mods didn't remove it. From our end, it shows as "this post was deleted by the user."
Theres a site or two where you can view it. Honestly I thought it obvious they were LARPing. Comment I made on the post > > So these 'wings' had extremely high turnover rates of staff, up to 50 in each wing, yet later you mention theres so few of you. > Also absolutely no paperwork is allowed, yet later you say one guy done his work on nothing but paper? >You say that there were no live aliens ever caught, then later mention they had teams studying the aliens culture and how the aliens interacted with their craft? > The security is the elite of Americas military elite, yet you say a group of tiktokers would be able to storm one of the offices you worked at?
Helpful information. Thank you for taking the time to share this
I thought when a post is removed by mods/admins it says 'removed' as where a u/ deletes a post/comment it says 'deleted'?
That should be the case. What do you see when you view the post directly? I see: "Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it." https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1cqwpdx/i_worked_on_a_team_that_dealt_with_with_nhi/ I do know the user account showed as deleted 1st because I was checking on the post regularly starting right after it went up.
I use old reddit with RES, all I see is deleted but I know that means user deleted.
Does anyone know WHO deleted it? Self? Mods? Reddit sysadmins? Untraceable backdoor access?
That I don’t know, would be interesting information though
Was this u/hoosierfan dude..
It was not this user. It was the account that is now deleted u/hoosierfan1968
It was flagged by the mods because it contained no actual substance and therefore the mods demanded OP to concretize his claims within 24 hours. The reasoning was: Everyone can make claims, write creative stories or simply let AI write a funny alien story. Posting some "crazy" theory or experience is one thing, making claims like OP did is basically destroying the essence of this subreddit considering that this enables creative copycats to do the same. Imagine posts like this flooding the sub every week to farm upvotes. This thread here is basically proof that it actually works if allowed. But I have to give it to the original OP, including "Karen" and "AAAY LMAO" memes was funny but also, too obvious.
”satanic disinformation agent” in your bio & never posted hmm & a lot of your comments reflect sus 🤨
Uh no. People do that everyday in subreddits and aren't banned. Look at you try and normalize what happened...🤣 There are literally millions of people online doing that everyday without evidence in a wide variety of topics on multiple social media sites.....and they don't get banned 🤣 What's it like scrambling on a sinking ship? Never been on one.
The most interesting part of that post was their post history. The original posters Reddit account was 18hrs old by the time I saw the post itself which at the time had been up for 15 hours. their only other interaction on any other sub at the time they had made their post here was responding to a question in r/securityclearance not related to this topic. His other only other interaction was this “As long as you're not bankrupting yourself you'll be fine. The comment about SEAD is valid, as long as you live within your means you'll be okay.” This was in regard to a person who is in the process of attaining their clearance asking if draft kings sports gambling will mess up his ability to get his clearance. Edit: This to me lends credibility to the OP, that they have experience with the processes involved in attaining security clearances. Maybe they were larping; personally I buy some of it. I think they truly held a clearance, and I think were a nuclear inspector prior to being brought into whatever they are claiming they got brought into. That job is rather mundane and like being a “glorified HVAC inspector”; but it requires a clearance and takes you into secure sites regularly. The some of the details in their post line up with how secret information is handled irl and compartmentalized like when he talked the building within a building aka a SCIF. Not all SCIFs are like this, some are just secure rooms but some absolutely are like buildings within a building.
One of the main credentials you need to get a TS clearance is being debt free or at least below a certain amount, like say owing traffic ticket misdemeanor money to a collection agency. So if the original OP was posting about that, then theres a bit of a lead there on validation.
>One of the main credentials you need to get a TS clearance is being debt free or at least below a certain amount, like say owing traffic ticket misdemeanor money to a collection agency. So a mortgage or a car loan doesn't count against you (provided you pay on time), but anything overdue or revolving credit carrying a balance does count against you?
Correct. They're looking for bribe vulnerability. If you've declared bankruptcy that's also sometimes a red flag. Honestly if you have "normal" debt (student loans/mortgage/auto etc) they don't care...but if you have like $60K in credit card debt or an extremely low credit score or you declared bankruptcy or something like that you're going to be flagged. And the most important thing of all...NEVER lie/omit anything they ask for. You're way better off disclosing something than hiding it. Example: A DUI doesn't matter nearly that much but not disclosing you had a DUI would probably get you rejected.
That's pretty much how I understood it, but I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on it and educate me further! Not that I would ever be eligible anyway lol
Also I see ppl dissing on a SCIF or SCIFlike facility in a house. This is absolutely a thing. There are probably more privately owned SCIFs than gov owned, all told.
You are definitely right about the SCIF. I live in Northern Virginia outside of DC. Someone posted on our Nextdoor a few weeks ago that they had just moved into a house that had a SCIF in one of the rooms. They were asking for advice on how to get internet and cell service to work in the room.
I have family there who work in DC with high clearances. They've mentioned that there's a ton of government owned properties for meetings and stuff. One of them became interested in UAP after grusch. They've been in the DC world for a while and believe him, but their field is unrelated.
I’d love too see that room… for curiosity… Mr fbi watcher man
Totally agree and it is. Even down to no phone or equipment. No pen or paper. Nothing on you. Information shared and you only will know by memory.
I had a TS/SCI job as a DoD contractor for almost a decade. I didn't know anything about anything, and still don't. Don't lend too much credence to a security clearance.
I've worked in very mundane defense engineering and I could have written that post entirely from common UFO lore in about 30 minutes. It might be a LARP, it might not. Even ignoring the contradictions, it gave us nothing new or verifiable as to be functionally different than a creative writing exercise. I don't see much value in dissecting it. Most likely the OP is lurking, reveling in the shit they stirred.
Agreed. I can't wait for disclosure but this didn't feel legitimate to me. Hope to be proven wrong.
It did feel legitimate to me, and I’ve been trying to pin down the reason, and I think it’s because a LARPer likely would have made up some cool shit. Even just one or two things. However this post followed lore completely.
> SEAD My geopolitics can't read this anything other than Suppression of Enemy Air Defense, what is sead?
Yea, but he also said that much of his work was "unclassified" due to the org not wanting to have their information "classified" by others. This was a blatant bullshit claim that anyone who has held a TS clearance can refute. If you take your annual training on classification and reporting you will know that this is not how it works. There is no classifying agency, and in many instances, the people that create the documents classify it themselves.
OP also knew you would check their post history.
I found his replies more interesting, especially this “The theory goes something like this: everything that has a life experience shares some sort of connection. These connections manifest themselves as some sort of mesh. The way the robots work in westworld is weird analogy but sort of what they believe. At some point, the mesh becomes dense enough for something to happen. I believe it has something to do with time, if enough shared history exists it can be manipulated somehow. The motivations behind this manipulation are unknown. Asking about this was an easy way to get in trouble. I agree that the biology department should know. It wasn't info I was privy to. I will say that doing experiments beyond basic observation was something people argued over because they don't want to damage what little we have.” The connection part sounds a lot like brain synchronicity that occurs between humans and animals when sharing the same experience, described here - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brain-waves-synchronize-when-people-interact/ I’m not sure if I believe him but I like the idea that our consciousness has some hidden power that we’re yet to discover.
I like the idea that maybe disclosure can give me some clear reason to believe that my son who I lost lives on in some way.
He's definitely stere here 🖤 energy can't be destroyed and our spirits/souls are nothing but high energy. We pass into the "energy"/spiritual realm, where we lose our physical senses and this allows us to see/feel with our spiritual senses. Energy is eternal, we just haven't found a way to tap into that yet. I pray that you have peace through this loss. It's never an easy thing, especially when it's a child. 🖤
thanks this is best leak in ages, I have comment responses saved in a jpeg as well. I can upload imahe later.
Would love to see it, it’s strange that the post garnered over 1k + comments in less than a few hours.. I went through a lot of them & found an alarming number of bots
I copied the post text and screenshoted the best responses I could find. I strongly felt that he seemed to be the real deal and would get deleted by the security/counter intel team. Awesome to see this stuff leaking out in such a public forum. I don't recall any NORAD reference. Where does that come from?
Do the bots bash the post and say it's fake?
They appear to be fabricated arguments back & forth. Like one account blasting the post, and then another fresh account defending it
Thanks Can you explain to me why this is a thing?
An ex r/UFOs mod made a detailed comment recently about the enormous amount of bots/ accounts dedicated to spreading mis info & sketchy messages to members/mods in the community regarding disinformation which they cataloged over a period of time. They deduced the main goal was pitting the bots & accounts against eachother to aid in polarizing the issue even further in order to blur the lines and distract us from what’s really important
Jesus Christ! What’s the point of Reddit’s existence then? Mind control, for shits and giggles? Psyops? Or more nefarious?
Similar campaign to what US adversaries did during election cycles. Highly effective if done right. That’s why I encourage everyone to draw their own conclusions after doing your due diligence on the subject matter at hand
Critical thinking is in short supply these days. It’s crazy what the DoD and CIA are doing to muddy the waters. I watched the Good Trouble Show live last night and I was really hoping the main points would have caused more of a stir on here today. I see so many people bashing Lue and saying “2 more weeks” and “blue balls”. Who has done more for the subject? I don’t at all understand the hate. Him and Ross seemed positive more stuff was on the horizon and I thought there was some pretty big revelations. The fact he was in on the Khalid Sheik Mohammed (sp?) prosecution was pretty telling. He was at the top. The man’s an American hero imo. Hope he stays safe shits wild
I wish I were able to upvote this 1000 times.
Does any one else notice that when there is a UFO story that makes the Government look bad all of a sudden you get no UFO posts in your main feed? I actually had to search the sub to find it yesterday and I read a lot of ufo post
My algorithm stopped showing me this sub and other ones associated with similar discussions. This is the first post I came across in the last week or so that actually showed on my feed
Look into dead internet theory, stuff they don't want you to know did an episode a few days ago on it. Pretty wild stuff, most internet traffic these days are from bots.
It is called the Hegelian Dialectic it is about framing everything in 2 sides. The goal of those opposing bots is to get people to argue about something different than what you don't want them discussing. For example, anytime you see someone say "but this politician said or did this" it is typically a framing to get people to argue about a polarizing subject (which they made polarizing by weaponizing journalism). When a 2 sided argument occurs, most people will jump in one side or the other and if you try to engage in honest conversation about the distraction they have already won.
We've seen evidence of this play out everywhere over the past decade. I had no idea there was an actual name for it, so thanks for educating me.
You got it spot on. Much better description than mine.
I think it's simpler than that - seems to be a night and day difference in the bot uptick on this site when it "went public." Tale as old as time - tech/social company needs to collect user data and show increasingly active users and engagement for advertisers and make it more appealing for stakeholders. How do you drive engagement? Use bots to post controversial comments, curated by mining years of user-generated posts proven to provoke reactions (seems more emotionally agnostic, especially compared to facebooks and twitters approach) and drive discussion.
Please do, I didnt get back to it in time to see OP reply to any of the comments
Please do, I already lost the original post and and want to reread it. Even if it's a larp it's very interesting.
Why was it nuked?
We don't know. People making up reasons.
You know why
Explaining that navigation mode as “essentially a 3D Dijkstra algorithm” is like calling the space shuttle “essentially a metal paper airplane”. I’m amused.
As a network engineer I thought it was an interesting take (OSPF uses dijkstra), but also unverifiable and probably bullshit.
" it's essentially a 3D dijkstra algorithm" This algorithm makes no attempt of direct "exploration" towards the destination as one might expect. Rather, the sole consideration in determining the next "current" intersection is its distance from the starting point. This algorithm therefore expands outward from the starting point, interactively considering every node that is closer in terms of shortest path distance until it reaches the destination. When understood in this way, it is clear how the algorithm necessarily finds the shortest path. However, it may also reveal one of the algorithm's weaknesses: its relative slowness in some topologies. You may be 5 miles from home vs 10 but stuck in traffic behind an accident that has shut down the highway. I would certainly not base my interstellar travel on such an algorithm.
>However, it may also reveal one of the algorithm's weaknesses: its relative slowness in some topologies. But speed or "slowness" is a function of time, not to mention a concept which only has meaning within a frame of reference. If you push a bit against current understanding of 4 dimensional space-time, its not impossible to imagine technology which has the capability to manipulate what we understand as time or space.
" If you push a bit against current understanding of 4 dimensional space-time" The issue is infinity is a mathematical concept, but no one has ever or ever will count to infinity. for all i know space becomes super dense when I leave my solar system or one of those many "strands" that exist in the universe are super dense and slows me down. I don't know what I don't know, so just because an algorithm makes sense in certain situations doesn't mean it's a smoking gun or certainty to some kind of ET travel. space, time, physics all may behave differently in another solar system or galaxy, or maybe on the other side of the universe. we simply don't know and will likely never know. it's 2 miles as the crow flies to get from A to B, but oh wait there is volcano that we didn't know about and now you are dead. too many uncertainties to not question "certainties". so the claim of "3D dijkstra algorithm" doesn't really show or prove anything, even if it sounds or seems neat.
That sounds a whole lot like the 4chan leak. Mmmm
I think that’s where it came from
LARPers read other LARPs
I also copied all the original text if anyone wants it
Can you please send my way when you have a chance?
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I’ll take a copy if you’re willing
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I’d like a copy too please.
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Can you send as well?
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Can you send it to me?
where's this from?
Alleged whistleblower statement from a couple days ago
Oh, that was the bullshit post that contradicts itself every other paragraph. Nobody was allowed to use any paper to do work. Later they say one researcher used nothing but paper. They had many 'wings with a huge turnover rate, later, I have to be careful not too give too much away as there's not many of us. The elite of America's military were their security, later, a group of tikokers would be able to get into the office building. No live aliens were ever recovered then they say there was a wing dedicated to studying the aliens culture and how they interacted with the craft. How can people not see that for the bullshit it was?
Regarding your observation about “no aliens being alive”, you know ancient cultures are studied without having anyone alive, right? Scientists/researchers look for clues to hypothesise about their way of living
Entirely possible it was purposeful distraction. If you *REALLY* want to be safe and anonymous, throw people off your trail and get them to question you without making them think you are completely insane. The ones who know, know.
This post seems to me to be written by the same author who did the anthology post and the molecular biologist post. The style word choice and structure are similar. That leads me to the likely conclusion that they are all fictional stories with a lot of real or rumored elements incorporated. Could be just good fiction or could be a clever way to communicate classified details or it could be disinformation aimed at undermining real information with a fake story
Everything's on the table until something's taken off, right? I wouldn't be surprised if those pushing and advocating for disclosure were orchestrating an info dump via anonymous leaks on social media to combat the disinformation campaign currently at play. If these leaks are all fabrications then there are some talented people out there wasting energy they could be channeling into writing some quality sci fi stories.
The amount of negativity that was so immediate in the comments, and then the way "VETTED" jumped on it is incredibly suspicious. This could be a legit leaker. It matches a lot of what other whistleblowers and leakers have claimed. No way to verify but thats kind of how this works. Personally this seems true, and I don't trust VETTED at all so my expectation is this containt some legit information and possibly some false information in order to conceal the OP's identity.
We reinstated that post. It looks like the MOD thought it was your channel, but I'm not sure why. Apologies for that. If content is removed & you think it is in error, modmail us with a message to get a 2nd look or explanation.
I think it’s important to bring this post back in the loop as well as it may corroborate the claim of BYU recruitment in OP‘s post & insight on anthropology relating to this topic but it does contradict the ”no living specimens to his knowledge portion” as this person claims to have read interviews of live subjects. Worth a read as well.. ”I worked for a university in the western United States. For cultural reasons, students and faculty at this particular university are more likely to be selected for sensitive government work. ” https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/9LItGprwEY
It’s well known that intelligence agencies love to recruit Mormons, so idk how much credence I lend to that particular bit of flair.
was this the HVAC repair guy was allowed nose around an alien spacecraft?
this was hvac repair guy got the saucer doors accidentally shut on him while he was inside it causing him to literally shit his pants.
Cool story bro That’s all this is a story. Fuck anyone that can disclose and won’t.
"Unlike DFS and BFS, Dijkstra's Algorithm (DA) finds the lengths of the shortest paths from the start node to all the other nodes in the graph. Though limited to finite graphs, DA can handle positive-weighted edges in contrast to DFS and BFS." So if it works like a dijkstra, then would it not show that space-time (or at least space) would therefore be finite?
There is a good example of it in the comments on this post. It definitely does happen without bots too, by users making arguments on assumption or generalization, so I don't want to point out the specific comment because the commenter may just be a real fallacy, but the elements are: - make a point about the post/subject that is not accurate but close enough to 'ring a bell'. - compare it to something that is usually also not accurate, generally by inference. - steer or keep argument on credibility of OP/subject instead of specific details. "OP said facilities were paperless" (OP stated their own facility was paperless.) "OP said colleague used only paper for calculations." (OP said that particular engineering office was computerless.) Then, the argument becomes about nontruths, so the credibility always sways in a desired direction.
After doing some data compiling on my recent posts/ others, I’ve deduced the bot accounts & mud throwers as I like to call them will have a random name usually with an underscore or dash in it, no pfp, and a sequence of 4 numbers at the end of said name. (Basically all default names) They usually have 0 posts, only comments, and the accounts are fairly new. All engaging in the same behavior you pointed out. It’s a pattern.. (Some have followed me/blocked them all)
So many reasons to be skeptical about this poster. Let's just focus on the navigation piece. The craft supposedly navigates using Dijkstra's algorithm which OP claims has "befuddled generations of researchers" even though this is an algorithm that has existed since the 1950s. The algorithm was so conceptually simple that its inventor came up with it in 20 minutes in his head while shopping with his fiancée. But beyond that, Dijkstra's algorithm is about finding the shortest path between multiple *nodes*. This would be analogous to streets on a map where travel is constrained by streets and intersections (i.e., the pathways and nodes). The problem? This is not how space travel would work. Space is empty. It is so empty that when the Andromeda galaxy eventually collides with our Milk Way galaxy, astronomers predict that not a single planetary or solar object will collide. What does it mean if space is empty? The shortest path between two points in space is... *a straight line*. This individual seems to be conflating things like celestial navigation (a well-understood human-level technology that has existed for decades and was famously used by the SR-71 Blackbird, among other aircraft and spacecraft, to determine one's position in space relative to something else) with concepts like time dilation (a concept from the early 1900s that is so human-level in understanding that every satellite in space accounts for it) and nodal navigation (which is a hot topic in AI today, but not very relevant to navigating in empty space). This individual, who claims they were just a project manager, purports to know overarching information about so many different aspects and organizations within the most secretive and compartmentalized project on the planet which defies how such compartmented programs work. Combine this with the fact that they write in a manner entirely inconsistent with someone who's supposedly a university professor, and all of this seems beyond highly skeptical.
Your first take you misrepresent what the OP said. That's a no no in debate. He clearly stated it was ESSENTIALLY a 3D Dijkstra Algo....probably because that's what humans do. Put things in a box our mind can understand....he used his best example we know to explain it. But you knew that. Fuck the rest of your post.
What this guy said ☝️ Adding to it, where the fuck do these people get off suggesting this is a larp just because this guy "doesn't talk like a university professor"?? I'm a senior scientist with a PhD and make NO effort to talk or write how i would for an academic publication in ANY context other than writing scientific literature. I literally call directors "dude" in meetings, and they call me "dude" back. I've met most of the top professors in my field from MIT, Cal Tech, Harvard etc. and everyone under 50 talks like a normal fucking human being. English is a second or third language for half of them and their writing sucks.
☝️muh man! This dude is smarter than me! But we share a common intelligence in how humans behave. Appreciate you "dude"!
Bru , “Shortest path between 2 points in space is a straight path“ laughs in Hyperbolic geodesics. don’t kill me just putting out my opinion as a 20 yr old high school dropout
Thanks for your 2 dimensional input
That’s what made it super authentic to me. They definitely talk like that.
Uh no, their use of the word “essentially” does not somehow make their reference to Dijkstra’s algorithm more appropriate. I could say your dog is essentially an apple (they both have DNA!), but that would be pretty stupid, wouldn’t it? “Yes, but I said ESSENTIALLY!” 😂
I hope you stretch before working out too. At least in that space it's helpful. Here, not so much. You definitely can interpret it that way! When one lacks a lot of common sense! When you actually put it back into context....it makes complete sense.
Although I tentatively suspend my specific prior advanced physics related reason for thinking it was BS, I still think it's BS for other reasons. Too much of it just doesn't make logical/rational/consistent sense.
This is not at all how compartmentalization works. If he was just an engineer he would have no knowledge of what other "wings " exist or where finding comes from..or what they look like ect ect. They certainly don't talk like someone who's educated in engineering.. lost me at "like smoke from an exhaust pipe". If there's smoke coming out of your exhaust pipe you've got problems 😂
I don’t think the post was intended to be technical at all. It was made in laymen’s terms to get a lot of info out at a basic level. As far the compartmentalization idk, but if they’re speaking to each other on a personal level I’m sure information gets passed along. All of Grusch’s claims are similar in nature.
“I do know its HQ is hidden in almost plain sight. I still feel like the guy who told me where it is had to be lying, because it was just too obvious.” **AREA 51**
I was thinking somewhere obvious in DC rather than in Nevada.
lmao yea I immediately jumped to that too
You don’t need “bots or disinformation agents” 🤣🤣 The fact that they don’t know how the space time coordinate system works and try to attribute to some guys algorithm they can’t explain beyond “essentially” is proof enough to know homie is tiptoeing in lala land.
Dude NORAD is a 5 min walk from my house I’ll go over there and ask them if this is legit
The original post had many unconvincing contradictions I see other commenters also picked up on.
The fact that he put identifying information at the beginning of his post, ie month and year he left the job make me think this is fake. If he was real, he would animalize his personal information more.
And it begins..
What? Your fear of rational thought?
Yes, look at all those peeps here
Very interesting. So much of what was written in this leak was said by Bob Lazar decades ago!
It’s hard not to lean in to believing some of these well-written whistleblower posts because they do corroborate so much, even providing further details in some cases.. Personally I think some of it might be valid information the more I hear eyewitness testimony from ex military/nasa/DoD personel. The Nazca mummies are also making me question everything from a scientific, historical, & anthropological prospective. Those are real bodies, but what tf are they? And how much do our governments really know??
Mods delete the post. It seemed like it was a LARP. The poster wanted to remain anonymous but was so sloppy in giving away guesses that it totally seemed like it was bullshit
How do we know they are definitely experimenting on animals, what are we finding ? Why maybe people too ? Semi-evidence ? Implants found ?
What exactly happened to the original post?
The OP was clearly a fanfic. All of the identifiable information screamed it.
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Ok, I am gonna be totally honest (and I might lose my shit). The one thing I want to know if NHI und UAPs exist (cuz what do I know): HOW DOES THE PHYSICS BEHIND IT WORK?!?!?!?! PLEASE! AFTER YEARS OF READING AND THINKING ABOUT IT: I WANT TO KNOW HOW DO THEY OPERATE, HOW DOES A UFO WORK, HOW DOES SPACE-TIME REALLY WORK, WHAT IS THE POWER SOURCE?!?!?!? I NEED TO KNOW. How close is Einsteins GRT to the reality? Is string theory or loop quantum theory or Weinstein's Theory or whoever's idea the closest!??!? I wished someday a NHI or whatever hears my thoughts and touches me by accident in the subway and I get a download of those answers. No interaction, no scary abduction, no prove, just knowledge.
Space magic. And rainbow bridges.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/4XqqguY8Q9
Fascinating and detailed as fuck. Do you have any info on that deleted user or any of their other content?