I also don't have to scrutinize hotel websites to make sure they're not opening up a slot in an apartment building I want to move into as a party house while I'm just trying to WFH and get some sleep
Hotelier here. Hospitality is something I’m proud to have been a part of for most of my life and one of the sole reasons I became radicalized as a lefty about the fight of the proletariat. Fuck AirBnB and fuck the scum bags who see dollar signs by becoming airbnb managers. AirBnB is basically a scumbag organization trying to pretend to be a lodging company. That’s my rant.
I used to hate hotels, especially at the beginning of Airbnb but these days I will only go to a hotel. Quick and simple check in, don’t have to worry about anything, can usually expect a nice and clean place and don’t have to be social with the host if I don’t feel like it. Price wise a hotel is probably cheaper these days, or similarly priced.
Fuck Airbnb
Oceanside California along the strand/give or take area (at least as of 2016 or so, it's probably worse now) has [tons of properties fronting the beach](https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1815609,-117.3727261,3a,75y,264h,87.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slpkc5lFYWQqkZpkhJOPAow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that [rent for around $1000+/day](https://oceansidebeachrental.com/) No surprise in the winter time they sit empty. Of course they are festooned with "Private Property, no trespassing F off" signs.
(Check out one, Minimum stay of 4 nights $5800 total. $1450/night)
Heard a rumor that during the 2008 crash someone came through and just bought up tons of the places there (and waited for the long term folks to die in the rest) then built their rental dumps on the land.
At least as of then, you could see this in action by Rental Mansion/Airbnb dumps with a older house sandwiched in the middle.
Isn't that far fetched to say the slum lord owning the other places probably has a impact sensor underneath the foundation on the old places...
*THUD* "Got another dead one! Quick, contact the estate and buy it asap!"
Oregon Senator Merkley wants to limit hedge funds owning housing ([https://www.merkley.senate.gov/news/in-the-news/senator-merkley-introduces-legislation-to-ban-hedge-fund-ownership-of-residential-housing](https://www.merkley.senate.gov/news/in-the-news/senator-merkley-introduces-legislation-to-ban-hedge-fund-ownership-of-residential-housing) ) and if we could also do a higher property tax on any companies owning more than a certain number of homes that'd definitely help get some houses back out of being nightly rentals. I have zero problems with the companies/people who own housing they rent to their migrant workers or any similar situations though, so would have to word any law changes carefully to not ban that type of multiple building ownership.
Like Uber, it was meant to be a "make cash on the side" thing, not a career. Like ridesharing was supposed to be a thing where you go into the app and pick up someone that isn't out of your way, and make a few bucks in the process, but it became a replacement for Taxi services. Similarly, AirBnB was meant to help multi-home owners get some income out of homes that largely sat vacant, but it created a rental property market with inflated pricing and outrageous fees.
The key business concept of airbnb is "some asshole in San Francisco needs to get paid every time any two people anywhere agree to a short-term rental."
That's what they brought to the table. Same as Uber and GrubHub and all of those exploitative web businesses. They do nothing and take a third or more of the money.
Everything starts as a cool concept till the shitheads come in and go full asshole on it. Remember how fun Pokémon cards and trainers were? Remember how awesome whisky and bourbon was? Remember how awesome Airbnb and online gaming was? As soon as the hype bunch get near it it’s game over. I can’t even buy my favourite whiskies anymore that I’ve been buying for decades because the flippers have heard you can make money reselling.
I remember when air bnb was a way for fellow travellers to rent out a spare room - both to help travellers with cheap lodgings, and bring a bit of extra cash in on the side.
Now its a shit show.
I know someone who rents properties off her dad for dirt cheap and rents them out as air bnbs for the profit, yet doesn't understand her privilege because she's working (cleaning them every few days). They are all residential properties in housing estates, just standard houses and flats. In an area where every new rental property gets snapped up in minutes because there's such a lack of housing. And we're not even in a massively touristy area.
This is precisely how I felt!
I have had some great, GREAT!, experiences with AirBnB that I wouldn't have experienced in another way.
And it's great for couples. But now we have two small children, and we just want the comfort and no-hassle of a hotel.
The last straw for me was traveling New York with my brother. We had an Airbnb at some guy's place who was just watching trash TV all day. His upstairs neighbors had kids which were running around like elephants till 2am and the shower was really bad. We found an amazing hotel not too far away at a slightly lower price. Better beds, nice shower with great amenities and good noise isolation. Previously I've had hosts cancelling a booking a few hours before I arrived which made me find something late in a city/country I wasn't familiar with.
Back when it was basically "crashing with someone for cheap" it made sense, but nowadays it's just a scam.
Yeah don’t get me wrong I am knowingly seething at the machine from the inside but compared to being a finance bro I’m happy with my choices. Hotels are cool I kind of grew up in them I’m 33 started when I was 19. It’s def who I am.
Iv spent years staying in hotels across the country. Iv tried abb maybe 3 times and each time was shit. At least with the ragged motel I get some privacy
Oh yes 100%. It’s not so much that it’s always a bad lodging experience I just feel like what you get service level at hotels is by far better especially as airbnbs get ballsy with their pricing. Like you’re def getting a hot breakfast maybe which is US foods stuff yea but also oatmeal is always healthy and normal.
I won't do whole house ABnBs anymore but I've had great luck with renting rooms in houses where the hosts actually live. My last one was in Los Angeles and the room was super cozy, there was a super sweet dog that loved to cuddle, the most amazing backyard space, and my hosts were from Egypt and one of them cooked a full traditional spread while I was there and I was invited to join in. I totally did! They totally enhanced my vacation.
The professional kitchen radicalized me. I was proud to make delicious food but then I noticed all the profit I generated with my bare hands went upstairs so they could buy brand new cars every year and go to "meetings" all day. I feel like having experience in the service industry can potentially radicalize someone.
Which isn't to say you can't be part of a small quality restaurant. I'm picky as shit about who I cook for; my current boss essentially lives at the restaurant, hosting, serving, bussing, doing dishes, fixing shit, and on top of all that he does his job as GM. Oh yeah, and he pays cooks a percentage of food sales on top of a decent hourly wage. The result? Our team bust ass to make a great dining experience and grow the business. I've (briefly) worked for parasite owners and honestly it's grounds for ghosting a new job for me.
If you take on all the risk and work the hardest, I'm happy to call you boss.
This is a shared sentiment. - "If you take on all the risk and work the hardest, I'm happy to call you boss."
Unforgivably the vast majority of business owners (at least here in the US) forget that simple factor. THEY have a strong and direct interest in the success of their business. They /need/ the fortitude and passion to go above and beyond to reach that success. What they do instead is become a tyrant, expect their minimum wage skeleton crew to care enough to provide the best service or attention span to do the job well.
The point is, I give what I get. You pay me the bare minimum, don't show up, load me down with new task after new task with out incentivizing it more than "you get to keep your job, I am so generous, keeping another lazy bum off the street" you will get even less. Less quality less observation, less concern to make sure things are kept up with in a timely fashion. Slowing down making my day take a little bit longer while accomplishing less until I feel I've reached the level of fucks my boss has given me. - Contrary to that, a good boss, whom I've had the luck to work under once or twice now, will be in the thick of it with you, as shit as Amazon is, I used to work in a distribution center, my favorite part was sorting the packages after they were offloaded from the trucks, they would ride up a conveyor to me at the top of the warehouse before I manually sorted it to a chute that lead it to another conveyor and off to it's zone so to speak. Amazon pay is not really worth it. But what made me go above and beyond was that I had a boss, I'll call him V, that wasn't above doing the work too. Some times we'd have such high volume coming through that he'd be beside me up there doing his own sorting, always enjoyed those days because he showed he wasn't above the work just because he was ranks higher than me, we would sit there and bullshit while practically flinging .5 lb to 50 lb boxes to their respective chutes high paced and demanding, but I love when the person in charge of me is a hard worker it brings my competitive nature out.
They're not a tech company. They don't produce, sell or develop technology.
They're just a bunch of cheaters with privileges to circumvent laws and market other people's stuff without any restriction, regulation, obligation or warranty.
They seize markets, customers and assets from stablished workers and companies, then offer them back to the same people for a fee. That, in my town, is called extortion.
The funny thing is, the trashier the hotel, the better the continental breakfast.
Days Inn, Sleep Inn, Best Western, they’re gonna have a nice spread.
Hilton, Marriot, Hyatt, there’s a restaurant in the hotel lobby that you can pay to eat at.
The trashiest hotel I’ve ever stayed in was in Florida, it was crumbling to bits, located in a swamp beside a freeway, had what I’m pretty sure was an unlicensed bar in the pool courtyard, and was connected to a medical clinic slash diagnostic imaging Center. The entire building was overrun by lizards, stray cats, *and a giant raccoon that the staff set out food for in cat dishes*.
Best hotel breakfast spread I’ve ever seen. Waffles, eggs, beans and rice, mini muffins, yogurts, cereals, *everything.* God, I loved that hotel.
Depends on the sub brand of Hilton/Marriott/IHG. Like all holiday inn express have free breakfast and all regular holiday inns do not.
Some marriott brands have free breakfast like residence inn and fairfield and springhill suites.
Residence inn usually has free beer too! When I traveled they were my preference since they usually had a hotel happy hour for guests that was free taco bar with beer as a social hour. I never socialized but appreciated the tacos and beer!
I really do prefer the extended stay versions of the hotels since kitchenettes are nice and I hate room service cleaning my room daily.
Yeah, I’ve noticed the trend recently that there’s a fine line and you got a find that middle ground. The more you pay for a hotel the more you have to pay for extras? Pretty BS in my opinion. Apparently a clean decently updated room in a decent neighborhood with good breakfast and free WiFi is a big ask.
Here's what I do: find the industrial part of town that borders a main road. Every decent sized town has at least one. That's where your motel 6s and such are. There's always 1 or 2 for $40/night with reviews talking about crackheads. Then right nearby will be some other cheap motel with some NICE fencing. That's the place you want. Usually more like $55/night but it'll be quiet, clean, and usually have some kind of night security chasing away the trouble. Best bang for your buck.
I think it's more like a Goldilocks Zone of good breakfast. The REALLY trashy hotels don't offer any perks, and a little voice in the back of your head would be telling you not to take the food even if they offered it to you. Then below those are the ones you can rent by the hour.
Hell yeah, remote Best Westerns absolutely kill the breakfast. Shout out to the one in Lone Pine, CA.
Head out early to take in the sunrise at the Alabama Hills. Drive all around in the big loop, climb some of the bigger hills and snap a selfie with the snow-capped Mount Whitney in the background. Drive up Inyo Mountain into the Inyo National Forest.
And still make it back to the Best Western in time to get that breakfast. Hit the road and be in Lake Tahoe in time for a late lunch.
I'm a former Panama City Beach resident and I can vouch for AirBnB destroying our neighborhood. We sold the house we lived in since 1986 and now it's an AirBnB.
I’ve been yelling about airbnb for the last 5 years or so. Taking away potential long term rentals to make a quicker buck while locals are being pushed out already with gentrification really makes me angry. There’s hotels in the area, and close enough by to use public transit or a cab.
Friend of mine had to be relocated temporarily due to a massive water leak in his apartment building. Local hotel (off-season) put people up for like 25% the price if from the affected building.
Insurance covered most people's stay, but sadly not everyone had insurance. Still very nice of them though, helped out a lot of unfortunate people. Insurance only paid out after the fact anyway.
My understanding is that u/WhiteRabbitLives was talking about AirBnB pricing people out of the neighborhood, not hotels. Hotels *bring* business to small towns and rural areas because now the residents have more jobs available and/or more customers entering their stores. AirBnB does the opposite because while a hotel can accommodate hundreds of people, an AirBnB rental can only accommodate a single family or small group at most. And the rentals charge as much if not more than nearby hotels, meaning property tax goes up and income tax goes up. As property taxes rise, cheaper homes get torn down and are replaced by homes that cost hundreds of thousands more. And as income tax goes up, working class people have less income to spend on buying a home. Eventually the neighborhood becomes gentrified and the original residents have to find somewhere else to live, more likely further away and with fewer job opportunities.
AirBNB made sense when it was a cheap alternative to hotels, and people earning a bit on the side renting out a spare room.
Its now become as expensive as hotels, with no amenities or service, and people are buying up property to do so.
The only time it is worth it (and still ethical imo) is for renting out larger properties in the countryside with big groups.
It was amazing 5-10 years ago.
I stayed in a million dollar mountain house in Colorado for $60 a night, every fee included, and I had the entire lower floor.
I stayed in spare bedrooms during road trips for $20-35 a night after fees. The families were always super nice and half would even make me a great breakfast or dinner for free.
I haven’t stayed in an Airbnb in the last 1.5 years. There’s no point paying $80 for a bedroom when a hotel room is $90. And forget renting a whole unit, hotels are always cheaper now.
We went to Portland last week and stayed in a hotel and Airbnb separate nights. Never again will we stay in an Airbnb. Hotels are so much more comfortable and have more resources. The Airbnb didn’t have soap, shampoo, or toothpaste. It also didn’t have clean towels. The hotel gave us all that stuff and arranged a car for us. it was awesome
Air BNB used to be a good deal to get into places quick and cheap in a pinch. I remember using it a lot back in 2013-2015. Now it’s a hassle, feels like I’m interviewing for a job to MAYBE get a yes on an overpriced place and then have to deal with all these weird arrangements for key pickups, people being in or around the rental while you’re trying to relax privately, fees and god knows what else. No thanks.
Hotels have come down in price a bit in response and I’ll take the professionalism, amenities, and reliability any day. The model has expired.
I am completely 100% turned off of airbnb now. it used to be a good deal and a genuinely better alternative than hotels a lot of the time. I dont even consider it anymore. hotel all the time every time.
Airbnbs are hotels.
Entire buildings are being bought by companies worldwide and turned to airbnbs.
Many countries have laws trying to regulate airbnbs cause the practice at a large scale skyrockets rents and hurts available housing.
They're starting to have tiny kitchens too, because of competition with airbnbs. Which was one of the few things airbnb had on hotels other than price.
The kitchens were why I’ve even considered Airbnbs but I’m finding out that many hotels have one too so I’d prefer that. Not paying a huge amount on top of the nightly for cleaning fees.
I always want the kitchen, but find myself never actually using it because that means stocking groceries I 9/10 times don't get through and if I'm on vacation I eat out almost the whole time
Probably the nicest thing airbnb did was remind hotels that if an avenue for competition IS needed, it can potentially be filled. Airbnb has fulfilled its purpose and can now go die with lots of people having wasted their money trying to take advantage of everyone while not being able to manage the service remotely well.
Most of the "gig" economy is just exploiting loopholes in existing laws. If, or when, those laws catch up the "gig" alternatives don't offer huge amounts of value.
"Ridesharing" just became legal here about 5 or 6 years ago and the pricing is within 10 to 20% of traditional taxis.
Even places that banned airbnbs have low housing availability. The core issue is that North American cities have a draconian zoning regime that prioritizes single family homes. If we took the brakes off of housing development, we would see more available housing. Allowing people to buy and sit on empty properties in constrained markets is also part of the issue, it created a generation of people who oppose letting cities naturally develop.
And public transportation ties into it, too. High-density neighborhoods need frequent, safe, affordable public transportation. There is simply not enough room for all the cars.
Very true indeed. Having done graduate work in the UK, and visited several cities in the EU, I'd suggest the whole community, urban and suburban, benefits from access to frequent, safe, affordable public transportation. :-) Make cars only an option, not damn near a requirement...
I mean literally all of the new multifamily units that have gone up in my area are "luxury apartments/condos" that are not even remotely affordable, but sure, deregulation is definitely the answer!
New housing is more expensive than old housing. That's the crux of it. Developers aren't going to build something they don't make money on. But, here's the thing, new housing *becomes* more affordable over time. I live in an apartment that was originally billed as a 'luxury' apartment maybe 40 years ago. Now it's just a regular apartment building. I'm looking at buying a condo in the same situation, eventually.
Housing is like musical chairs. Adding more chairs gets more people housed. Add enough chairs, and you see rental inflation trend downward over time.
I would love to tax the rich and build public housing or subsidized, dense housing. That's the long term goal. In the short term, adding housing is absolutely a net positive, and maintaining the existing zoning regime only benefits landlords and passive investors.
I heard the current AirBnB tenant next door talk to the incoming tenant at ten o'clock at night when they discovered they'd both been booked for the same night. Incoming tenant was a hothead, hollering and cussing. He told his Uber driver not to leave, but the Uber drove off anyway. Incoming stops hollering at the current tenant, and runs after the Uber, now hollering in the street for the driver to come back while he sorts it out with the current tenant.
As these things go, on his last night there, he chooses to have a loud argumentative phone conversation, outside in the driveway, with the owner of the house. He didn't want to pay and he complained about everything. Including that the house has "peeping Tom's" invading his privacy. I guess he's referring to me and the neighbors across the street coming out to see what all the noise was about upon his arrival.
What a mess in our formerly quiet neighborhood.
Only exception I made was my last trip to Chicago. A whole apartment by the blue line was cheaper than any hotel options and I parked for free. It was definitely an anomaly and the exception that proved the rule
One of my favorite memories from the pandemic was some jerk off leveraged to his eyeballs bitching about Airbnb like man you’re not to big to fail get over yourself
It’s funny there are so many of these articles that are purely written to make people mad no other reason. Peoples whole jobs are to write shit to make people mad kinda funny
Hey, you'd get better service and you made a difference in that employees life? Yeah, I rather do that than deal with a brat resort manager who is so entitled that they expect to have an extra $250 tacked onto a price for something I didn't do.
I don't trash resorts - the most I do is throw towels on the bathroom floor. I would not book your resort again if I got charged a cleaning fee when I just checked out and literally only wrinkled the sheets!
I've read too many of these articles over the years. Every time there is an article about some twenty something business whiz, it's always because of their filthy rich parents.
Even if that isn't the exact case, a 22 year old property "manager" is despicable. She clearly has no concept of money. A $250 "cleanup" fee has some serious $10 banana vibes.
Right, she does like maybe 10 hours of “work” a week (which basically involves hiring other people to do the actual work) and lives off daddy. Why is this even being written about?
Imagine giving yourself a "manager" title and thinking you're competent of having a job when your dad just gave you the property he still owns so you don't feel useless.
I am offended…I should call myself house manager because these are basic things people do for their own houses.
Let me go put family office manager on LinkedIn.
>As the manager, I help guests with the check-in process, arrange for the handyman to come, and schedule cleanings in between stays.
Lmao that sounds to be about 5 minutes of work per stay at most.
Some AirBnB owners I used to help in my office based store, they'd just email a copypasta. And then they'd do a bunch of laminations for rules, guidelines, etc. They said helped to keep questions and working to a minimum so they could just sit back and enjoy a steady income without work. Some of these people had about 12 to 20 properties in Florida. And some college kids would rent them for months to go to the university.
Wow she doesn’t even clean and fix up the places herself, she literally just calls people to do it for her. Some people are born with a silver spoon, she’s got the whole damn cutlery set.
We’ve had our native food sources, language, traditions, and dignity stolen from us…pimped out, prostituted, capitalized and marketed for nearly 2 centuries. We are nuisances on our own ancestral land.
I hate everything America has done to Hawaiʻi, and the fact that pitiless fiefs such as these vultures are allowed to further whore out our home…it’s infuriating.
If Hawaiʻi was ever granted independence, and Kānaka Maoli are given back our country, so much would change. We would have a better quality of visitors and settlers because they would come here with the respect and admonition that being a guest in a foreign land affords.
Instead, Americans and other foreign thieves come here to take up more property than they need and see it as “investment,” while my people starving and wasting away and told to like it, because this is paradise…
It’s very common. There’s a long established Hawaii-to-Las Vegas pipeline, so much so that locals call it the “9th Island.” I’ve always hated that name, why are we celebrating our forced diaspora?
Bro, you are not a nuisance on your own land; I know Hawaiians have a reputation of being unfriendly to tourists/people visiting, but that’s not the case. The majority of positive experiences I’ve had with people living on the islands (I travel a bit there for work) have been from native Hawaiians
I think the reputation is from people who treat the land poorly, and have no respect for the people around them; for example, one of my coworkers tried to take a bunch of volcanic rock. I shamed the fuck out of that dude, until he drove back across the island to put those rocks back. It’s unbelievable man, and I’m sorry you gotta deal with that
What I meant by nuisance on our land is that we’re looked at by the local govt as an afterthought. What is Hawaiʻi without Hawaiians? Our culture makes this place special, beyond just the beautiful environment.
Thank you SO MUCH for shaming them out of taking rocks. I’m not superstitious, but it’s the principle of the matter. ʻĀina is revered as our oldest sibling, so taking a piece of him typically brings about bad stuff all around.
I once stayed at an Airbnb where they accused me of damaging their couch -- damage that was there when I arrived (it had been melted in a spot to try to hide).
So they file a giant claim against me. They even send text messages from their cleaning lady that imply she forgot to tell them about the damage from a previous client. The message was like "oops I thought I sent this before but the couch had damage \[photos\]." I should have known this was going to be an issue when I saw the f\*\*king binder of rules and information about buying furniture through them.
It became a legit trial, I would pay for it if it was legit -- but it wasn't. The owner submitted a wholesale price phot of a new couch for $479, but they were requesting $1,500. Airbnb let me off the hook after a couple months and told me that I will not be charged, but I was in the wrong -- because I did not report the item being damaged upon arrival. How in the world would I know the condition of every object in a property before I arrived.
When I asked, do I have to state the condition of all of the items in the rental? Chairs, Beds, Flooring, Silverware, Toaster, Oven, Dishwasher, rugs, towels, sheets, door knobs, etc.?
They said Yes -- that I was responsible for reporting ANY damage of any kind for the property (which was a house) upon arrival -- so Now I'm a freaking home inspector. The table has a couple scuffs, was the previously reported? The carpet has a small stain, etc. -- Do I call all this in? What a broken business model. I'm sure this host was just straight playing a scam and pushing damaged furniture through there and reporting.
It's non-sense. Airbnb's logic was non-sense and for them to say we were at fault burned that bridge hardcore.
Maximum filesize your email can successfully get to them. And accidentally send tons of duplicates to "make sure" but use slightly different pictures so they can't just cheaply rip duplicates.
The excruciatingly hard work of managing not one but two properties that is marketed, booked and paid through an app. How did she find the time to do this interview??
I hope she went into detail about the competitive interview process she had to go through.
In al seriousness, this story smacks of, “I was kicked out of two colleges in two years for poor grades because I partied too much, I went to community college for a semester before starting cosmetology school, until my dad said fuck it and now I clean floors at his rental properties.”
Going off her job description too, she helps guests check in and schedules the handyman and cleaning. Judging by that she'd be working like 3 hours a week, seems pretty tough
I had a college roommate like this. Dude was a compete waste of life, but mommy and daddy were loaded so all he ever did was party every single day and made the place a pigsty...he was out of uni after 1 semester.
I rented from a guy who bought up a bunch of houses after the housing crash. Real slum-lord, just a piece of shit. He had his son run it all. His son would tell me "I own properties all over the city" and it was the most pathetic attempt at dick swinging I've ever seen. I literally write checks to your father.
The worst slum lord in my city admitted as much, but defended himself by explaining how he is also the cheapest. He has more units that are affordable to lower income people than anyone else and the rents would only go up if he actually took care of these properties. The city even took away a couple of his properties
Preventative maintinence is always cheaper. Gutters never get cleaned, trees never get trimmed, and the people called to fix the leaky roofs do a piss poor job. They pocket 100% of a unit's rent instead of setting 50% of it aside and then bitch and moan, and *maybe* take care of thousand dollar problems when they pop up, but only months later.
According to Miss Manager, she needs to raise the cleaning lady salary and buy towels/linens that got stained.
But what about the 600€/night, she charges for the bungalow...
People like this are why my family and friends can barely afford to live on island, and unfortunately why many are moving to the mainland. Those who were raised here don't own Airbnb's ...
1st step: Have a rich daddy.
2nd step: Profit off nepotism and become the manager.
3rd step: Survive the old man and inherit the estate.
4th step: Bragg about how nothing was given to you and that you owe everything to your dedication and hard work
Haoles need to have any homes they don't actively live in taken from them and given back to the people of Hawaii.
She doesn't even LIVE in hawaii. According to her socials (which honestly her name is posted here this wasn't a hard article to find, and her socials were right there) she lives in Vegas and wishes she lived in New Zealand.
She is literally a mooch off the land of Hawaii.
I don't like to be too active in social media, and that's why I don't have a Twitter and Instagram. But articles like these just makes me want to register an account and be an online bully to some of these people. I just want to @ her in Twitter and be like, "you don't even live in Hawaii yet you're sucking the resources dry from natives who were there first" every day until they let go of those properties.
According to this interview they have two properties that rent out for $600/night each, and they're booked year round, often with only a few hours between guests.
Assuming a few days missed, 350 days a year generates $420,000
Airbnb takes roughly 3% of total booking revenue (rate + cleaning fee). That's 12,600 from the rate. Deduction for cleaning fee will vary based on average length of stay, but let's be generous and round up to 15k, leaving $415,000
In Kauai the tax rate on what's called "Transient Accommodations" (Airbnb) is 10.25% which is $42,537.25 Registration fees vary, but are usually less than 2k. Again, being generous, we'll round up to 45k, and are now left with $370,000
2bed, 2bath condos in these resorts sell for 3-500k, but have very high HOA fees, ~$1,500/mo. Estimated monthly cost of 4k per unit per month (Mortgage +HOA) which comes to 96k/yr (in 2022, at the peak, but on zillow prices have started to drop significantly on kauai) which leaves $274,000
And there you have it. Dad profits $274,000 per year after paying all expenses, including the cleaners who are paid 200/gig.
~So let's take a look at how everyone else makes out~
The average length of stay in a vacation rental [per lodgify_com] is 5 nights. If we divide out our 350 nights booked to that average, we find that the people cleaning the units each make about $14,000 per year doing 70 jobs. As the article mentions, these are unpredictable and they have to "drop everything" to come do them. This does not affect the 274k profit.
So,
Dad: $274,000/yr passive income
Daughter/Manager: wage not stated
Cleaners: $14,000/yr, no benefits. On-call.
Average guest: -$3,500 after taxes
Cleaning fees collected (both units): $30,555 (total minus taxes and airbnb fees, but I may have applied a higher tax rate than I should have)
Leftover from cleaning fees: $2,555
I suppose this could go to the new linens and towels that are mentioned as a hidden expense
I'll leave you with the fact that we are repeatedly told how important it is that the cleaners are paid a "living wage", and how if they asked for a raise our manager would have to consider increasing the cleaning fee (which she's not sorry about)
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It's not bad enough that she's a landlord but a white girl who's a landlord to properties in Hawaii. Americans genuinely need to leave Hawaii the fuck alone. They've already done enough damage between destroying their heritage, trying to colonialize the indigenous people's and essentially using capital to create a system whereby the indigenous people of Hawaii are overpoliced and the majority of the property is owned by american property developers.
I used to date a girl who inherited a couple of rental properties from a landlord grandma, boy was she a piece of work.
Nice girl generally, to me, my friends, but when she talked about or with tenants man she turned into completely different person, just nasty.
here's a [link to the article](https://www.businessinsider.com/why-i-charge-my-airbnb-guests-cleaning-fees-2023-3?r=US&IR=T) in case anyone was interested
Even without the slide about her dad, I hated her, seeing an obviously not indigenous woman not only making stupid amount of money off tourists, but drawing tourists to the islands.
It’s so easy to make money. All you need is a can do attitude and a couple of houses in a Hawaiian resort that your parents will just let you rent out.
Fuck ABnB, VRBO and any other site like it. Nothing but scamming, snotty people who are just trying to scam every penny out of you.
Shouldn’t be allowed to exist.
Some idiots charge 5k/month for an airbnb next to my house...so I'm always a dick to anybody in that house, and start fights with the landlord whenever I see him hahaha. Hoping they get a ton of bad reviews and lose their business.
Hey look at this airbnb, it’s $60 less per night than the hotel. With a $100 check in fee, and an $80 reservation fee, and a $250 cleaning fee, and a $50 fee ever every person over 3 people. See, it’s only $400 more than the hotel
>When I did some research into this, I noticed that other similar places charge between $150 to $200, so even though our fee is a bit higher, I don't feel bad about that. We started off doing a trial to see if this would deter guests from booking our properties, but we haven't had any complaints or bad ratings so far about this increased cleaning fee.
So the reason is 'because we can'. Leeches.
People like this are why I stopped using that app. Just go to a hotel, no cleaning fees included.
And hotels don’t destroy communities and take homes away from the working class
I also don't have to scrutinize hotel websites to make sure they're not opening up a slot in an apartment building I want to move into as a party house while I'm just trying to WFH and get some sleep
Hotelier here. Hospitality is something I’m proud to have been a part of for most of my life and one of the sole reasons I became radicalized as a lefty about the fight of the proletariat. Fuck AirBnB and fuck the scum bags who see dollar signs by becoming airbnb managers. AirBnB is basically a scumbag organization trying to pretend to be a lodging company. That’s my rant.
I used to hate hotels, especially at the beginning of Airbnb but these days I will only go to a hotel. Quick and simple check in, don’t have to worry about anything, can usually expect a nice and clean place and don’t have to be social with the host if I don’t feel like it. Price wise a hotel is probably cheaper these days, or similarly priced. Fuck Airbnb
Hotels also don’t record you and if something goes wrong I have an actual customer service department
A host who pretends to own the property but usually is an employee of a big company who owns many airbnbs
Jesus Christ, that’s a thing too?
The worst thing you can imagine is far from the worst thing that is
You sound you know many inside info. Last two Airbnbs I’d been to had lockers with key inside. No host at all.
No not at all! I do know that one thing about them though. Honestly I’d prefer a key to having to interact with someone lol
Oceanside California along the strand/give or take area (at least as of 2016 or so, it's probably worse now) has [tons of properties fronting the beach](https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1815609,-117.3727261,3a,75y,264h,87.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slpkc5lFYWQqkZpkhJOPAow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that [rent for around $1000+/day](https://oceansidebeachrental.com/) No surprise in the winter time they sit empty. Of course they are festooned with "Private Property, no trespassing F off" signs. (Check out one, Minimum stay of 4 nights $5800 total. $1450/night) Heard a rumor that during the 2008 crash someone came through and just bought up tons of the places there (and waited for the long term folks to die in the rest) then built their rental dumps on the land. At least as of then, you could see this in action by Rental Mansion/Airbnb dumps with a older house sandwiched in the middle. Isn't that far fetched to say the slum lord owning the other places probably has a impact sensor underneath the foundation on the old places... *THUD* "Got another dead one! Quick, contact the estate and buy it asap!"
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Oregon Senator Merkley wants to limit hedge funds owning housing ([https://www.merkley.senate.gov/news/in-the-news/senator-merkley-introduces-legislation-to-ban-hedge-fund-ownership-of-residential-housing](https://www.merkley.senate.gov/news/in-the-news/senator-merkley-introduces-legislation-to-ban-hedge-fund-ownership-of-residential-housing) ) and if we could also do a higher property tax on any companies owning more than a certain number of homes that'd definitely help get some houses back out of being nightly rentals. I have zero problems with the companies/people who own housing they rent to their migrant workers or any similar situations though, so would have to word any law changes carefully to not ban that type of multiple building ownership.
Abso-fucking-lutely this. Fuck landlords.
airbnb started as a cool concept and then turned into trash and ruined the housing situation for just about everywhere popular.
Like Uber, it was meant to be a "make cash on the side" thing, not a career. Like ridesharing was supposed to be a thing where you go into the app and pick up someone that isn't out of your way, and make a few bucks in the process, but it became a replacement for Taxi services. Similarly, AirBnB was meant to help multi-home owners get some income out of homes that largely sat vacant, but it created a rental property market with inflated pricing and outrageous fees.
The key business concept of airbnb is "some asshole in San Francisco needs to get paid every time any two people anywhere agree to a short-term rental." That's what they brought to the table. Same as Uber and GrubHub and all of those exploitative web businesses. They do nothing and take a third or more of the money.
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To be fair outside of the NYC and Vegas dealing with taxis was a nightmare. Uber was a godsend from a user experience perspective.
Everything starts as a cool concept till the shitheads come in and go full asshole on it. Remember how fun Pokémon cards and trainers were? Remember how awesome whisky and bourbon was? Remember how awesome Airbnb and online gaming was? As soon as the hype bunch get near it it’s game over. I can’t even buy my favourite whiskies anymore that I’ve been buying for decades because the flippers have heard you can make money reselling.
When I was a kid, fish was poor people’s protein. Then it was ‘discovered’.
Apparently lobster used to be given to servants.
They looked at couchsurfing and were like "what if people paid instead"? And in the process basically ruined both websites.
I remember when air bnb was a way for fellow travellers to rent out a spare room - both to help travellers with cheap lodgings, and bring a bit of extra cash in on the side. Now its a shit show. I know someone who rents properties off her dad for dirt cheap and rents them out as air bnbs for the profit, yet doesn't understand her privilege because she's working (cleaning them every few days). They are all residential properties in housing estates, just standard houses and flats. In an area where every new rental property gets snapped up in minutes because there's such a lack of housing. And we're not even in a massively touristy area.
This is precisely how I felt! I have had some great, GREAT!, experiences with AirBnB that I wouldn't have experienced in another way. And it's great for couples. But now we have two small children, and we just want the comfort and no-hassle of a hotel.
The last straw for me was traveling New York with my brother. We had an Airbnb at some guy's place who was just watching trash TV all day. His upstairs neighbors had kids which were running around like elephants till 2am and the shower was really bad. We found an amazing hotel not too far away at a slightly lower price. Better beds, nice shower with great amenities and good noise isolation. Previously I've had hosts cancelling a booking a few hours before I arrived which made me find something late in a city/country I wasn't familiar with. Back when it was basically "crashing with someone for cheap" it made sense, but nowadays it's just a scam.
Yeah don’t get me wrong I am knowingly seething at the machine from the inside but compared to being a finance bro I’m happy with my choices. Hotels are cool I kind of grew up in them I’m 33 started when I was 19. It’s def who I am.
Iv spent years staying in hotels across the country. Iv tried abb maybe 3 times and each time was shit. At least with the ragged motel I get some privacy
Oh yes 100%. It’s not so much that it’s always a bad lodging experience I just feel like what you get service level at hotels is by far better especially as airbnbs get ballsy with their pricing. Like you’re def getting a hot breakfast maybe which is US foods stuff yea but also oatmeal is always healthy and normal.
I won't do whole house ABnBs anymore but I've had great luck with renting rooms in houses where the hosts actually live. My last one was in Los Angeles and the room was super cozy, there was a super sweet dog that loved to cuddle, the most amazing backyard space, and my hosts were from Egypt and one of them cooked a full traditional spread while I was there and I was invited to join in. I totally did! They totally enhanced my vacation.
The professional kitchen radicalized me. I was proud to make delicious food but then I noticed all the profit I generated with my bare hands went upstairs so they could buy brand new cars every year and go to "meetings" all day. I feel like having experience in the service industry can potentially radicalize someone.
Which isn't to say you can't be part of a small quality restaurant. I'm picky as shit about who I cook for; my current boss essentially lives at the restaurant, hosting, serving, bussing, doing dishes, fixing shit, and on top of all that he does his job as GM. Oh yeah, and he pays cooks a percentage of food sales on top of a decent hourly wage. The result? Our team bust ass to make a great dining experience and grow the business. I've (briefly) worked for parasite owners and honestly it's grounds for ghosting a new job for me. If you take on all the risk and work the hardest, I'm happy to call you boss.
This is a shared sentiment. - "If you take on all the risk and work the hardest, I'm happy to call you boss." Unforgivably the vast majority of business owners (at least here in the US) forget that simple factor. THEY have a strong and direct interest in the success of their business. They /need/ the fortitude and passion to go above and beyond to reach that success. What they do instead is become a tyrant, expect their minimum wage skeleton crew to care enough to provide the best service or attention span to do the job well. The point is, I give what I get. You pay me the bare minimum, don't show up, load me down with new task after new task with out incentivizing it more than "you get to keep your job, I am so generous, keeping another lazy bum off the street" you will get even less. Less quality less observation, less concern to make sure things are kept up with in a timely fashion. Slowing down making my day take a little bit longer while accomplishing less until I feel I've reached the level of fucks my boss has given me. - Contrary to that, a good boss, whom I've had the luck to work under once or twice now, will be in the thick of it with you, as shit as Amazon is, I used to work in a distribution center, my favorite part was sorting the packages after they were offloaded from the trucks, they would ride up a conveyor to me at the top of the warehouse before I manually sorted it to a chute that lead it to another conveyor and off to it's zone so to speak. Amazon pay is not really worth it. But what made me go above and beyond was that I had a boss, I'll call him V, that wasn't above doing the work too. Some times we'd have such high volume coming through that he'd be beside me up there doing his own sorting, always enjoyed those days because he showed he wasn't above the work just because he was ranks higher than me, we would sit there and bullshit while practically flinging .5 lb to 50 lb boxes to their respective chutes high paced and demanding, but I love when the person in charge of me is a hard worker it brings my competitive nature out.
They are a tech company, like Uber. Just sucking money out and not actually providing much value to society
Negative value, you mean.
They're not a tech company. They don't produce, sell or develop technology. They're just a bunch of cheaters with privileges to circumvent laws and market other people's stuff without any restriction, regulation, obligation or warranty. They seize markets, customers and assets from stablished workers and companies, then offer them back to the same people for a fee. That, in my town, is called extortion.
Hotels have that wafffle maker too. It fucks.
And the malted waffle mix...I wanted to get some for home and got a tiny bag...shit is crazy expensive, like 4x the price of something like Krusteaz.
Dat malted golden pancake mix mmmmmm
have you tried the new Craze called "notEat" it can help with your bottom line to afford waffle mix :)
I went NoTeat when I was like 7
How to tell your mom was featured on r/ShitMomGroupsSay
Ended at 12 when you broke both arms?
The funny thing is, the trashier the hotel, the better the continental breakfast. Days Inn, Sleep Inn, Best Western, they’re gonna have a nice spread. Hilton, Marriot, Hyatt, there’s a restaurant in the hotel lobby that you can pay to eat at.
The trashiest hotel I’ve ever stayed in was in Florida, it was crumbling to bits, located in a swamp beside a freeway, had what I’m pretty sure was an unlicensed bar in the pool courtyard, and was connected to a medical clinic slash diagnostic imaging Center. The entire building was overrun by lizards, stray cats, *and a giant raccoon that the staff set out food for in cat dishes*. Best hotel breakfast spread I’ve ever seen. Waffles, eggs, beans and rice, mini muffins, yogurts, cereals, *everything.* God, I loved that hotel.
This sounds like the sort of place where you could stay for three days and accumulate enough stories to write a movie.
Depends on the sub brand of Hilton/Marriott/IHG. Like all holiday inn express have free breakfast and all regular holiday inns do not. Some marriott brands have free breakfast like residence inn and fairfield and springhill suites.
Residence inn usually has free beer too! When I traveled they were my preference since they usually had a hotel happy hour for guests that was free taco bar with beer as a social hour. I never socialized but appreciated the tacos and beer! I really do prefer the extended stay versions of the hotels since kitchenettes are nice and I hate room service cleaning my room daily.
Trashy hotels also have free wifi and at a Hilton you have to pay for it.
Yeah, I’ve noticed the trend recently that there’s a fine line and you got a find that middle ground. The more you pay for a hotel the more you have to pay for extras? Pretty BS in my opinion. Apparently a clean decently updated room in a decent neighborhood with good breakfast and free WiFi is a big ask.
Here's what I do: find the industrial part of town that borders a main road. Every decent sized town has at least one. That's where your motel 6s and such are. There's always 1 or 2 for $40/night with reviews talking about crackheads. Then right nearby will be some other cheap motel with some NICE fencing. That's the place you want. Usually more like $55/night but it'll be quiet, clean, and usually have some kind of night security chasing away the trouble. Best bang for your buck.
Man, haven't seen those prices around here since about 1998.
I think as long as you have Hilton Honors you get free wifi. I’ve stayed at a ton of them over the past couple years and never had to pay for wifi
Yup, sign up for all of the apps. I've been upgraded just by opening an app on my phone as I go to check in.
I think it's more like a Goldilocks Zone of good breakfast. The REALLY trashy hotels don't offer any perks, and a little voice in the back of your head would be telling you not to take the food even if they offered it to you. Then below those are the ones you can rent by the hour.
I remember driving through the Midwest and staying at this dive that had damn near the best biscuits and gravy I ever had at breakfast.
Hell yeah, remote Best Westerns absolutely kill the breakfast. Shout out to the one in Lone Pine, CA. Head out early to take in the sunrise at the Alabama Hills. Drive all around in the big loop, climb some of the bigger hills and snap a selfie with the snow-capped Mount Whitney in the background. Drive up Inyo Mountain into the Inyo National Forest. And still make it back to the Best Western in time to get that breakfast. Hit the road and be in Lake Tahoe in time for a late lunch.
Do NOT fuck the waffle maker. That's what the coffee pot is for.
Two words. Chicken. Sausage.
I'm a former Panama City Beach resident and I can vouch for AirBnB destroying our neighborhood. We sold the house we lived in since 1986 and now it's an AirBnB.
Airbnbs also fuck with rental availability and price. Some of us need to work and live and they buy up apartments and shit
I’ve been yelling about airbnb for the last 5 years or so. Taking away potential long term rentals to make a quicker buck while locals are being pushed out already with gentrification really makes me angry. There’s hotels in the area, and close enough by to use public transit or a cab.
Yeah, if anything they can literally give people a living option, at least some do.
Friend of mine had to be relocated temporarily due to a massive water leak in his apartment building. Local hotel (off-season) put people up for like 25% the price if from the affected building. Insurance covered most people's stay, but sadly not everyone had insurance. Still very nice of them though, helped out a lot of unfortunate people. Insurance only paid out after the fact anyway.
Yeah, that wasn’t being nice, it was incentivizing people to be guests when they’d normally not have as much business.
Well theyve kinda ruined the community in hawaii by poisoning the water or some shit
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In what way does a hotel take away homes? They are typically built-in areas that are not zoned for residential
My understanding is that u/WhiteRabbitLives was talking about AirBnB pricing people out of the neighborhood, not hotels. Hotels *bring* business to small towns and rural areas because now the residents have more jobs available and/or more customers entering their stores. AirBnB does the opposite because while a hotel can accommodate hundreds of people, an AirBnB rental can only accommodate a single family or small group at most. And the rentals charge as much if not more than nearby hotels, meaning property tax goes up and income tax goes up. As property taxes rise, cheaper homes get torn down and are replaced by homes that cost hundreds of thousands more. And as income tax goes up, working class people have less income to spend on buying a home. Eventually the neighborhood becomes gentrified and the original residents have to find somewhere else to live, more likely further away and with fewer job opportunities.
AirBNB made sense when it was a cheap alternative to hotels, and people earning a bit on the side renting out a spare room. Its now become as expensive as hotels, with no amenities or service, and people are buying up property to do so. The only time it is worth it (and still ethical imo) is for renting out larger properties in the countryside with big groups.
It was amazing 5-10 years ago. I stayed in a million dollar mountain house in Colorado for $60 a night, every fee included, and I had the entire lower floor. I stayed in spare bedrooms during road trips for $20-35 a night after fees. The families were always super nice and half would even make me a great breakfast or dinner for free. I haven’t stayed in an Airbnb in the last 1.5 years. There’s no point paying $80 for a bedroom when a hotel room is $90. And forget renting a whole unit, hotels are always cheaper now.
We went to Portland last week and stayed in a hotel and Airbnb separate nights. Never again will we stay in an Airbnb. Hotels are so much more comfortable and have more resources. The Airbnb didn’t have soap, shampoo, or toothpaste. It also didn’t have clean towels. The hotel gave us all that stuff and arranged a car for us. it was awesome
Air BNB used to be a good deal to get into places quick and cheap in a pinch. I remember using it a lot back in 2013-2015. Now it’s a hassle, feels like I’m interviewing for a job to MAYBE get a yes on an overpriced place and then have to deal with all these weird arrangements for key pickups, people being in or around the rental while you’re trying to relax privately, fees and god knows what else. No thanks. Hotels have come down in price a bit in response and I’ll take the professionalism, amenities, and reliability any day. The model has expired.
A hotel? Why would you want to go to the place with safety regulations and insurance when for the same price you can stay in a stranger's bedroom?
Another good reason to go to hotels instead of short-term rentals: hotel employees are often unionized
Now it's a resort fee, a facilities fee. A wifi fee, parking fee.
I am completely 100% turned off of airbnb now. it used to be a good deal and a genuinely better alternative than hotels a lot of the time. I dont even consider it anymore. hotel all the time every time.
Airbnbs are hotels. Entire buildings are being bought by companies worldwide and turned to airbnbs. Many countries have laws trying to regulate airbnbs cause the practice at a large scale skyrockets rents and hurts available housing.
hotels usually have fire escapes and sprinklers***
They're starting to have tiny kitchens too, because of competition with airbnbs. Which was one of the few things airbnb had on hotels other than price.
The kitchens were why I’ve even considered Airbnbs but I’m finding out that many hotels have one too so I’d prefer that. Not paying a huge amount on top of the nightly for cleaning fees.
I always want the kitchen, but find myself never actually using it because that means stocking groceries I 9/10 times don't get through and if I'm on vacation I eat out almost the whole time
Exactly.
Probably the nicest thing airbnb did was remind hotels that if an avenue for competition IS needed, it can potentially be filled. Airbnb has fulfilled its purpose and can now go die with lots of people having wasted their money trying to take advantage of everyone while not being able to manage the service remotely well.
Most of the "gig" economy is just exploiting loopholes in existing laws. If, or when, those laws catch up the "gig" alternatives don't offer huge amounts of value. "Ridesharing" just became legal here about 5 or 6 years ago and the pricing is within 10 to 20% of traditional taxis.
From where I am I've seen taxis are cheaper than uber, from the airport.
Even places that banned airbnbs have low housing availability. The core issue is that North American cities have a draconian zoning regime that prioritizes single family homes. If we took the brakes off of housing development, we would see more available housing. Allowing people to buy and sit on empty properties in constrained markets is also part of the issue, it created a generation of people who oppose letting cities naturally develop.
And public transportation ties into it, too. High-density neighborhoods need frequent, safe, affordable public transportation. There is simply not enough room for all the cars.
Very true indeed. Having done graduate work in the UK, and visited several cities in the EU, I'd suggest the whole community, urban and suburban, benefits from access to frequent, safe, affordable public transportation. :-) Make cars only an option, not damn near a requirement...
I mean literally all of the new multifamily units that have gone up in my area are "luxury apartments/condos" that are not even remotely affordable, but sure, deregulation is definitely the answer!
New housing is more expensive than old housing. That's the crux of it. Developers aren't going to build something they don't make money on. But, here's the thing, new housing *becomes* more affordable over time. I live in an apartment that was originally billed as a 'luxury' apartment maybe 40 years ago. Now it's just a regular apartment building. I'm looking at buying a condo in the same situation, eventually. Housing is like musical chairs. Adding more chairs gets more people housed. Add enough chairs, and you see rental inflation trend downward over time. I would love to tax the rich and build public housing or subsidized, dense housing. That's the long term goal. In the short term, adding housing is absolutely a net positive, and maintaining the existing zoning regime only benefits landlords and passive investors.
I heard the current AirBnB tenant next door talk to the incoming tenant at ten o'clock at night when they discovered they'd both been booked for the same night. Incoming tenant was a hothead, hollering and cussing. He told his Uber driver not to leave, but the Uber drove off anyway. Incoming stops hollering at the current tenant, and runs after the Uber, now hollering in the street for the driver to come back while he sorts it out with the current tenant. As these things go, on his last night there, he chooses to have a loud argumentative phone conversation, outside in the driveway, with the owner of the house. He didn't want to pay and he complained about everything. Including that the house has "peeping Tom's" invading his privacy. I guess he's referring to me and the neighbors across the street coming out to see what all the noise was about upon his arrival. What a mess in our formerly quiet neighborhood.
Do things like that run down property values?
Only exception I made was my last trip to Chicago. A whole apartment by the blue line was cheaper than any hotel options and I parked for free. It was definitely an anomaly and the exception that proved the rule
One of my favorite memories from the pandemic was some jerk off leveraged to his eyeballs bitching about Airbnb like man you’re not to big to fail get over yourself It’s funny there are so many of these articles that are purely written to make people mad no other reason. Peoples whole jobs are to write shit to make people mad kinda funny
If I had to pay a $250 cleaning fee atop a rental, I would simply go to a hotel and tip the maid $50.
Hey, you'd get better service and you made a difference in that employees life? Yeah, I rather do that than deal with a brat resort manager who is so entitled that they expect to have an extra $250 tacked onto a price for something I didn't do. I don't trash resorts - the most I do is throw towels on the bathroom floor. I would not book your resort again if I got charged a cleaning fee when I just checked out and literally only wrinkled the sheets!
And I imagine they expect you to keep the place clean on top of charging that cleaning fee. Ridiculous.
Man life is so much easier when you're born into a rich family
And if you have zero problems exploiting people.
It's so strange, it seems like a lot of the time - the two tend to go hand-in-hand.
22 and a fucking landlord. And...a fucking piece of shit to boot
Best part is, she isn’t actually the Landlord.
I've read too many of these articles over the years. Every time there is an article about some twenty something business whiz, it's always because of their filthy rich parents. Even if that isn't the exact case, a 22 year old property "manager" is despicable. She clearly has no concept of money. A $250 "cleanup" fee has some serious $10 banana vibes.
There's always money in the AirBnB banana stand!
I mean, it's ONE cleanup Ironcastattic, what could it cost? 250 dollars?
Right, she does like maybe 10 hours of “work” a week (which basically involves hiring other people to do the actual work) and lives off daddy. Why is this even being written about?
Oh we already know why
Imagine giving yourself a "manager" title and thinking you're competent of having a job when your dad just gave you the property he still owns so you don't feel useless.
Definition of being born on third base and acting like you legged it out and hit a triple.
"calling the handyman and scheduling cleaning between stays".. gosh so much to manage! So busy!
I am offended…I should call myself house manager because these are basic things people do for their own houses. Let me go put family office manager on LinkedIn.
The problem is that a lot of these idiots are only on second and acting that way
>As the manager, I help guests with the check-in process, arrange for the handyman to come, and schedule cleanings in between stays. Lmao that sounds to be about 5 minutes of work per stay at most.
"I text the same list of instructions and a keypad code, then make two phone calls."
Some AirBnB owners I used to help in my office based store, they'd just email a copypasta. And then they'd do a bunch of laminations for rules, guidelines, etc. They said helped to keep questions and working to a minimum so they could just sit back and enjoy a steady income without work. Some of these people had about 12 to 20 properties in Florida. And some college kids would rent them for months to go to the university.
Exactly, so she texts people for a living. Cool.
"So you don't feel useless" 🤣🤣 that part
And she has THREE WHOLE TASKS! That take about 2 minutes each…
I mean, look at the entire T\*\*\*p family.
I understand what's censored now but I initially went, "ah yes, the tulip family"
From a Native Hawaiian scraping by in Hawaiʻi… Fuck these people.
Wow she doesn’t even clean and fix up the places herself, she literally just calls people to do it for her. Some people are born with a silver spoon, she’s got the whole damn cutlery set. We’ve had our native food sources, language, traditions, and dignity stolen from us…pimped out, prostituted, capitalized and marketed for nearly 2 centuries. We are nuisances on our own ancestral land. I hate everything America has done to Hawaiʻi, and the fact that pitiless fiefs such as these vultures are allowed to further whore out our home…it’s infuriating. If Hawaiʻi was ever granted independence, and Kānaka Maoli are given back our country, so much would change. We would have a better quality of visitors and settlers because they would come here with the respect and admonition that being a guest in a foreign land affords. Instead, Americans and other foreign thieves come here to take up more property than they need and see it as “investment,” while my people starving and wasting away and told to like it, because this is paradise…
"She's got the whole damn cutlery set"! This made me lol
as another hawaiian i agree with you
Aloha no, glad to come across some kind of support, especially from kamaʻāina. One day we’ll be free 🙏🏼
>One day we’ll be free I am not hawaiian, but I do hope that day comes for you soon.
I've also heard a lot of Hawaiians have to move out of Hawaii now.
It’s very common. There’s a long established Hawaii-to-Las Vegas pipeline, so much so that locals call it the “9th Island.” I’ve always hated that name, why are we celebrating our forced diaspora?
Bro, you are not a nuisance on your own land; I know Hawaiians have a reputation of being unfriendly to tourists/people visiting, but that’s not the case. The majority of positive experiences I’ve had with people living on the islands (I travel a bit there for work) have been from native Hawaiians I think the reputation is from people who treat the land poorly, and have no respect for the people around them; for example, one of my coworkers tried to take a bunch of volcanic rock. I shamed the fuck out of that dude, until he drove back across the island to put those rocks back. It’s unbelievable man, and I’m sorry you gotta deal with that
What I meant by nuisance on our land is that we’re looked at by the local govt as an afterthought. What is Hawaiʻi without Hawaiians? Our culture makes this place special, beyond just the beautiful environment. Thank you SO MUCH for shaming them out of taking rocks. I’m not superstitious, but it’s the principle of the matter. ʻĀina is revered as our oldest sibling, so taking a piece of him typically brings about bad stuff all around.
I once stayed at an Airbnb where they accused me of damaging their couch -- damage that was there when I arrived (it had been melted in a spot to try to hide). So they file a giant claim against me. They even send text messages from their cleaning lady that imply she forgot to tell them about the damage from a previous client. The message was like "oops I thought I sent this before but the couch had damage \[photos\]." I should have known this was going to be an issue when I saw the f\*\*king binder of rules and information about buying furniture through them. It became a legit trial, I would pay for it if it was legit -- but it wasn't. The owner submitted a wholesale price phot of a new couch for $479, but they were requesting $1,500. Airbnb let me off the hook after a couple months and told me that I will not be charged, but I was in the wrong -- because I did not report the item being damaged upon arrival. How in the world would I know the condition of every object in a property before I arrived. When I asked, do I have to state the condition of all of the items in the rental? Chairs, Beds, Flooring, Silverware, Toaster, Oven, Dishwasher, rugs, towels, sheets, door knobs, etc.? They said Yes -- that I was responsible for reporting ANY damage of any kind for the property (which was a house) upon arrival -- so Now I'm a freaking home inspector. The table has a couple scuffs, was the previously reported? The carpet has a small stain, etc. -- Do I call all this in? What a broken business model. I'm sure this host was just straight playing a scam and pushing damaged furniture through there and reporting. It's non-sense. Airbnb's logic was non-sense and for them to say we were at fault burned that bridge hardcore.
I would have been tempted to maliciously comply; report every single scuff, in separate emails to Air BnB. That would be *hundreds* of emails.
Photos and all
Maximum filesize your email can successfully get to them. And accidentally send tons of duplicates to "make sure" but use slightly different pictures so they can't just cheaply rip duplicates.
The excruciatingly hard work of managing not one but two properties that is marketed, booked and paid through an app. How did she find the time to do this interview??
I hope she went into detail about the competitive interview process she had to go through. In al seriousness, this story smacks of, “I was kicked out of two colleges in two years for poor grades because I partied too much, I went to community college for a semester before starting cosmetology school, until my dad said fuck it and now I clean floors at his rental properties.”
Going off her job description too, she helps guests check in and schedules the handyman and cleaning. Judging by that she'd be working like 3 hours a week, seems pretty tough
I had a college roommate like this. Dude was a compete waste of life, but mommy and daddy were loaded so all he ever did was party every single day and made the place a pigsty...he was out of uni after 1 semester.
Remember when Airbnb first started ? you can find a decent place from $20-$50 total price. Pepperidge farm remembers.
It’s the uber effect. Lower prices to muscle out competition and then raise them again when people have no other options.
So she is not a landlord, she is the family member who is a lacky of the actual landlord.
I rented from a guy who bought up a bunch of houses after the housing crash. Real slum-lord, just a piece of shit. He had his son run it all. His son would tell me "I own properties all over the city" and it was the most pathetic attempt at dick swinging I've ever seen. I literally write checks to your father.
The sad truth is some day it will be his.. society kinda sucks..
The worst slum lord in my city admitted as much, but defended himself by explaining how he is also the cheapest. He has more units that are affordable to lower income people than anyone else and the rents would only go up if he actually took care of these properties. The city even took away a couple of his properties
Preventative maintinence is always cheaper. Gutters never get cleaned, trees never get trimmed, and the people called to fix the leaky roofs do a piss poor job. They pocket 100% of a unit's rent instead of setting 50% of it aside and then bitch and moan, and *maybe* take care of thousand dollar problems when they pop up, but only months later.
How many times a day do you think she shouts ***DO YOU KNOW WHO MY DAD IS??????*** at someone
Further proving that landlord is not a job
I don’t even need to read it to know why she charges $250. Fuck her and her daddy.
According to Miss Manager, she needs to raise the cleaning lady salary and buy towels/linens that got stained. But what about the 600€/night, she charges for the bungalow...
That's a lot of words to say "I am a daughter, professionally.".
Alternatively, it is one way to say my parents/grandparents gave me an inheritance.
The fact my dad owns a tech company is irrelevant.
My dad owns a dealership.
My dad owns
Dad.
I wish my dad owned an emerald mine.
Air FeeNFee. No thanks!
And then her bio will say “self made”
Can we stop pretending that bring a manager is hard? It’s literally just scheduling and meetings.
Managers act like their work is hard, but all you see them do is talking and hanging out while everyone else does the real work.
People like this are why my family and friends can barely afford to live on island, and unfortunately why many are moving to the mainland. Those who were raised here don't own Airbnb's ...
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1st step: Have a rich daddy. 2nd step: Profit off nepotism and become the manager. 3rd step: Survive the old man and inherit the estate. 4th step: Bragg about how nothing was given to you and that you owe everything to your dedication and hard work
2nd Option: Fuck a rich daddy. But don't kill him until your in the last will.
Uhhh fuck you, Kayla.
Haoles need to have any homes they don't actively live in taken from them and given back to the people of Hawaii. She doesn't even LIVE in hawaii. According to her socials (which honestly her name is posted here this wasn't a hard article to find, and her socials were right there) she lives in Vegas and wishes she lived in New Zealand. She is literally a mooch off the land of Hawaii.
I don't like to be too active in social media, and that's why I don't have a Twitter and Instagram. But articles like these just makes me want to register an account and be an online bully to some of these people. I just want to @ her in Twitter and be like, "you don't even live in Hawaii yet you're sucking the resources dry from natives who were there first" every day until they let go of those properties.
"Here's why." Because she's an asshole?
The article actually manages to take 500 words to say "I like free money."
According to this interview they have two properties that rent out for $600/night each, and they're booked year round, often with only a few hours between guests. Assuming a few days missed, 350 days a year generates $420,000 Airbnb takes roughly 3% of total booking revenue (rate + cleaning fee). That's 12,600 from the rate. Deduction for cleaning fee will vary based on average length of stay, but let's be generous and round up to 15k, leaving $415,000 In Kauai the tax rate on what's called "Transient Accommodations" (Airbnb) is 10.25% which is $42,537.25 Registration fees vary, but are usually less than 2k. Again, being generous, we'll round up to 45k, and are now left with $370,000 2bed, 2bath condos in these resorts sell for 3-500k, but have very high HOA fees, ~$1,500/mo. Estimated monthly cost of 4k per unit per month (Mortgage +HOA) which comes to 96k/yr (in 2022, at the peak, but on zillow prices have started to drop significantly on kauai) which leaves $274,000 And there you have it. Dad profits $274,000 per year after paying all expenses, including the cleaners who are paid 200/gig. ~So let's take a look at how everyone else makes out~ The average length of stay in a vacation rental [per lodgify_com] is 5 nights. If we divide out our 350 nights booked to that average, we find that the people cleaning the units each make about $14,000 per year doing 70 jobs. As the article mentions, these are unpredictable and they have to "drop everything" to come do them. This does not affect the 274k profit. So, Dad: $274,000/yr passive income Daughter/Manager: wage not stated Cleaners: $14,000/yr, no benefits. On-call. Average guest: -$3,500 after taxes Cleaning fees collected (both units): $30,555 (total minus taxes and airbnb fees, but I may have applied a higher tax rate than I should have) Leftover from cleaning fees: $2,555 I suppose this could go to the new linens and towels that are mentioned as a hidden expense I'll leave you with the fact that we are repeatedly told how important it is that the cleaners are paid a "living wage", and how if they asked for a raise our manager would have to consider increasing the cleaning fee (which she's not sorry about) 🇺🇸
on stolen asf land of all places sssssad
She might as well say “stop being poor”. What a pretentious bitch.
$250 cleaning fee, kinda defeats the purpose. I'll just stay at the resort and save money.
Not the point of your post, I know, but fuck Airbnb. Those cleaning fees are fucking outrageous.
I hope the natives burn her property down lmao
lmao she "manages" TWO whole units, wow must be tough!
in hawai'i - even worse case of land bastarding
It's not bad enough that she's a landlord but a white girl who's a landlord to properties in Hawaii. Americans genuinely need to leave Hawaii the fuck alone. They've already done enough damage between destroying their heritage, trying to colonialize the indigenous people's and essentially using capital to create a system whereby the indigenous people of Hawaii are overpoliced and the majority of the property is owned by american property developers.
Slay all landlords
I clean airbnbs and I think the cleaning fee is ridiculous. I don’t get paid $100-$200 to clean the unit for 2 hours??? Like what
I used to date a girl who inherited a couple of rental properties from a landlord grandma, boy was she a piece of work. Nice girl generally, to me, my friends, but when she talked about or with tenants man she turned into completely different person, just nasty.
here's a [link to the article](https://www.businessinsider.com/why-i-charge-my-airbnb-guests-cleaning-fees-2023-3?r=US&IR=T) in case anyone was interested
I’m a Native Hawaiian who can’t even afford to live my ancestral home, which is where I grew up. This person and their family are infuriating
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Airbnb is for rich people not working class. Go to a motel 6 like a normal person.
Just makes a few phone calls as a “job” what a brat
Even without the slide about her dad, I hated her, seeing an obviously not indigenous woman not only making stupid amount of money off tourists, but drawing tourists to the islands.
It’s so easy to make money. All you need is a can do attitude and a couple of houses in a Hawaiian resort that your parents will just let you rent out.
Came for the nepotism, stayed for the comments
This made me lol
Fuck ABnB, VRBO and any other site like it. Nothing but scamming, snotty people who are just trying to scam every penny out of you. Shouldn’t be allowed to exist.
Mao had some really good ideas on what to do with landlords
Some idiots charge 5k/month for an airbnb next to my house...so I'm always a dick to anybody in that house, and start fights with the landlord whenever I see him hahaha. Hoping they get a ton of bad reviews and lose their business.
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Hey look at this airbnb, it’s $60 less per night than the hotel. With a $100 check in fee, and an $80 reservation fee, and a $250 cleaning fee, and a $50 fee ever every person over 3 people. See, it’s only $400 more than the hotel
>When I did some research into this, I noticed that other similar places charge between $150 to $200, so even though our fee is a bit higher, I don't feel bad about that. We started off doing a trial to see if this would deter guests from booking our properties, but we haven't had any complaints or bad ratings so far about this increased cleaning fee. So the reason is 'because we can'. Leeches.