Yeah, which is why it baffles me all these comments about it’s so nice to see someone who enjoyed their job. They literally took his idea, used it and canned him after 33 years. What the absolute fuck.
I've posted this before but in a pre-meeting to discuss projects we were to discuss with our vice president the next day I presented an idea and everyone in the group said "Wow, that's a great idea!"
The next day in the meeting our next to the top guy in our group then presented my idea as his. All I could say was "Wow, what a great idea, how did you come up with that?"
Everyone else knew. Didn't matter though as our division didn't last much longer and I wound up in another division and he was let go along with a lot of other highly paid dead weight.
Great for me as the other division appreciated my work and I was able to implement a lot of projects without a lot of hindrance.
This shit happens to me with older men…I’m honestly thinking they don’t really listen to me so it’s just a relief when they come with the idea that I gave them initially so we’re on the same page versus the other older men that just want to use any little thing “to teach you something” but damn I love it when our clients ask us to remove the things that they insisted I add. I’ve been working at this for 20 years so I’m starting to be less and less tolerant of the “constructive criticism” thing at the same time, which of course isn’t good.
Not only with older men but the problems at this company were old men belonging to the same Masonic organization. They would include a couple of us non-members just to keep it running.
I do this to the other guy in my department all the time. Of course, I'm always joking and immediately give him credit. The first time I did it though, oh man, it was funny.
Hilarity aside, even when I make the joke, it's cringy for me inside. I can't imagine actually taking credit for someone else's idea. Morally inept.
I agree. As an mp3 player, it was way better than the iPod.
However, as a *product* it was clearly inferior.
The problem is that "products" are more than just the specs of the thing that you buy. Sometimes, it is providing not the best device, but the device people will use based on design.
And of course, there is also hype and marketing as well.
Apple, especially under Jobs, knew that they could sell an inferior product for more money in large numbers if they made it easy to use, sharp and stylish. That's why the graphics on a Mac or iPod are usually fairly high end, and people will pay for it, even though that's priced right in.
It was the same thing with the old Macs. Make an appliance, even if that meant that it was less capable.
But zune was better as an ecosystem too. It had a music streaming service before anyone else, way before. Plus a better UI and an amazing desktop program with it too.
The only thing Apple had was advertising. Well that and Microsoft never really backed the zune like Apple did the iPod.
Zune was so ahead of its time. Perfect easily used interface that's still one of the best I've ever seen. A music subscription service nearly a decade before the others.
A perfect example of how having a superior product means little in this fucked up world. Colorful ads with catchy music beat out superior products every time.
I was getting out of the military and I had a job lined up as the director of food and beverage, get this, at a women's correctional facility.
As part of my interview process I was required to create a menu, recipes and write up how I can help rehab the ladies.
I wrote 3 separate 90day menus offering 3 separate diets.
I provided recipes of 100 portions of each with instructions.
I wrote a detailed rehab plan that worked with the local community collage to get anyone who was eligible a culinary degree and a work placement program to help them get work in the arts when they got out.
I spent a year working on the program believing that the day I separated I would have a job. I knew the guy who ran the facility. I was getting out 2 mi the before the guy I was replacing was to retire. I had accepted the job offer and they were awaiting my arrival the after my birthday.
On my birthday they called me and said I wasn't needed. Last time I checked the success rate of the women who go through the program I came up with was like 97% from incarcerated to working non reoffenders. And I'm salty as fuck about it.
Well let me tell you a story:
Had a college that was pretty great at her job, she was an intern but was basicly doing the job of a senior, although there was so much to do that they realy needed a second pair of hands to help with.
So she pitched they hire her brother. Both studied the same thing and were good professionals, and they get along super well so it was perfect.
Her brother gets hired and he tried to be he's best to impress and make her sister not get in trouble for pitching in his name and him not impressing.
He did so good that he eventually after a few months gets offered a contract for full term, that he accepted on the spot.
Thing is he worked so well that his direct manager thought he only needed one person now. So they fire his sister after he signs his contract and he finds out only when they pull her to a room, thank her for finding out such an amazing person to work with them like her brother, but now she wasn't needed anymore.
Did I also mention that this happened a week before Christmas?
Yeah, some people are a nice stinking pile of garbage
How? All work in the company becomes companies IP. MS surely would have employees sign the contract which states that along with the dude basically handing it to the company on a silver platter
HR moment. HR often aims to cut costs to justify themselves and their bloated department and in doing so sometimes set companies back years. And company that doesnt keep a tight leash on their HR is a headache.
Now we dont know the whole story. But i wouldnt be shocked if it was this.
Imagine spending 30+ years working, getting let go from what I would think was a very lucrative position, then willingly going back into the workforce...
Bruh I'm putting everything I can into my TSP and personal brokerage account so I can retire as soon as possible.
30 years at MSFT in a decent position. I hope he was getting some employee stock options or RSU's or something out of it all. Even his 401k should be good. If I did work after 30 years at a company it would be doing something I love like being a park ranger or something. It sure as hell wouldn't be the same field that just fucked me.
Former MSFT employee here. Microsoft has an excellent employee stock purchase plan. I was only there for 4 years and it was at a much earlier point in my career. I did not put much into the plan and in the ten years since I have been there, that small contribution has turned into a high percentage of my retirement fund. This person most likely has a few million dollars in stock at the least if they have been there for 33 years.
It's just sad af these people's entire identity is built around their jobs.
They'd much rather work til the day they die instead of spending time with their families, doing hobbies, volunteering in their local communities, or doing literally anything other than devote themselves to their corporate overlords.
It’s like a sunk cost fallacy, poured all that time and energy into something, ‘surely, it has to mean something?’ they just cannot conceive who they are without it. If not now, maybe on his deathbed he’ll realise that it was all just ‘…full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’.
>It's just sad af these people's entire identity is built around their jobs.
The ship has already sailed on their families most of the time. Neglected for too long.
I can think of dozens of volunteering opportunities for a retired Microsoft director of 33 years who doesn’t need more money. But that’s obviously not this person’s definition of being useful.
Literally. I'm sure there's plenty of nonprofits in his area who's IT department could greatly benefit from his knowledge.
But if he isn't getting paid for his time it's below him.
No, he likes getting paid for what he does. There are plenty of places that could desperately use volunteers of his experience. He could mentor and teach kids his skills. There are no end of ways to put those tech skills to use without being compelled to only feel useful if you’re doing it for a paycheck.
33 y means he was around when Microsoft and internet litteraly BOOM to what it is now. During the 2000-2010 even 2020 , we all Heard or red how being in MS was a golden goose.
That block spent 33y in a company that was known to pay very generously their employees and, just like Google before the merge, was a dreamjob for a lot of people.
So yeah if you couldn't retire at his age, money has not been handled properly...at ALL.
Oh I agree, but maybe he could be in debt or something and is trying to appear positive about the situation so other companies see how much shit he can eat with a smile. This might be a charade.
If it’s a charade it’s a cynical one. I’ve seen posts that accomplish the same without swallowing the whole boot. I also think we need to start talking people who say they want a job got esoteric reasons at their word. You don’t have to go this far to put on a show for a job. And when they do they just make employers expect this kind of bootlicking from everyone who’s trying to do a job and go home to the things that really matter.
As "one of these types of people" I thought I should chime in here -
Some people just really like to build big hard things. I haven't seen any "community organizations" that have a need for advanced programming or electronics design knowledge - for the same reason they aren't building competitive reusable rockets or space missions. "Help the local robotics club!" - It's not the same.
"Do IT work for some bullshit nonprofit"! I can understand how that would feel like drowning.
Find me a community organization building operating systems, distributed life-critical systems, the control system for an electrical grid - something hard enough to spend your time at. Something not-boring.
There's a startup using drones to deliver blood and medical supplies in remote parts of Africa - they had community groups. Why didn't the community groups design the drones and get there first? It's not hard to design a drone for a whole community, isn't it? Hm...maybe it is!
Because it's not an effective organizing principle, and those types of people solve small, boring problems ineffectively at best.
Edit: Before somebody chimes in with, "Linux is community focused!" - Really? Look at the commits to the Linux kernel, and check which commits come from people employed by companies. Check who supports GCC. Companies companies companies companies....
Ehhh. Could definitely be a case of not able to afford to retire yet and, knowing of the (occasionally unconscious) age discrimination older skilled job applicants often face, this person carefully crafted their post to present someone who needs employment without appearing desperate for it or overly bitter about losing their career position.
Plenty of people get fulfillment out of their jobs. I worked at Microsoft for 7 years and would totally go back to coast my way to retirement. It was a really chill company and job. I worked probably like 16 hours a week as a full-time salaried engineer.
>just count on their oversized paychecks to cover everything.
Sadly a lot of my older coworkers are like that. They spent their whole career yeet'ing money everywhere, except their retirement account.
Now we have all these boomers who literally can't afford to retire. It's kind of sad actually.
Imagine in 33 years at Microsoft the things he's most proud of are windows 95, zune, and windows phone. Then company time wasting inventing an unnecessary role where you duplicate information that people don't need. Sounds like a good call, Microsoft.
Yep, it sounds like this guys was no value add for a long time and was just coasting along. He should have made his exit or found a different role a long time ago.
33 year career for windows 95??? What did he do, bring in the mail? And the final release of windows phone was 2015.. what’s he been doing for the past 9 years?
Came here for this comment. Staying in role longer than necessary has many ramifications. They range from being defined by the role to the lack of innovation perpetuated by your tenure. If you are as good as you espouse, you should be just as good somewhere else.
This guy is probably getting a giant severance package as well. Not all 33-year veterans at Microsoft are upset when they get laid off. In fact, they probably feel like they won the lottery.
Source. Also used to work there.
Also shouldn't feel sorry for him as he was in a director level position. Dude was making mad bank and probably has had retirement money for at least 10 years
I did 4 years. The last year was spent knowing that my role was going to be outsourced at some point and I was writing process docs for the guy who was going to take my job for a fraction of my pay, but the employee stock purchase plan was awesome.
> The last year was spent knowing that my role was going to be outsourced at some point and I was writing process docs for the guy who was going to take my job for a fraction of my pay
Step 1 do this process, step 3 do process 2 again, step 7 task completed. Ok on to the next SOP! I had a field day with this in a previous position. The boss just before he let me go looked so proud of himself "ha, this dumbass is downloading his brain onto paper perfectly". Did, this so well I even got to bury some red pill stuff so the discount employee won't last longer than 12 months.
When was that? Not the Microsoft I know. In fact, I would argue it’s the most work life friendly techs (or was). Or maybe you just had a particularly bad manager. That happens everywhere.
I mean, workers need to organize XD. This kind of profit is truly obscene. No company needs to make more in annual profit than the GDP of 111 (of 188 reporting) countries.
Hell, yeah. But it's so hard with the whole hustle culture. People have beem convinced that they can make ot of they work just hard enough...if they try just a little harder still.
And all workers are being pitted against each other. We are all too busy quibbling in the lower levels to achieve real results. It's a fucking tragedy seeing some of the raises after the stock prices hit one all time high after another.
Obviously they’re looking for a new jobs so they have to announce they left their last one. What I don’t understand is the Stockholm Syndrome aspect. You can post that you’re out of a job and looking for a new one without publicly sucking off the employer that just laid you off. But this guy went full slob on the knob.
Well according to his own post he doesn’t need one. He’s financially ok. He wants one. And let’s be real: no knob game is going to convince a modern tech company to hire someone verging on retirement who’s only ever worked for one other company. He’s gonna be seen as a dinosaur.
This makes the knob slobbing even sadder come to think of it.
And it's people like that that get hired because they have experience. Meanwhile, the rest of us out here are barely getting by, and when we put in an application to a place where we want to grow, we're not even given an interview. Because retirement age people aren't FUCKING RETIRING!!
He has leadership experience with Microsoft. Thats a totally different thing then most any other "one company". Microsoft with Amazon is simply extremely integrated with quite a lot of old school big market share companies. Microsoft, Amazon and Google basically share cloud technology as a service market. With google lagging. Things you personally don't even see.
Even without all his money and stock whatever he has, he is simply in another employment universe than us.
Eddit: changed to leadership instead upper leadership.
>Well according to his own post he doesn’t need one. He’s financially ok. He wants one.
That's the impression a smart person would want to project regardless of whether it's true. Pretend you're one of these soulless bosses in a position to hire someone; other factors being equal, are you gonna pick the one who's desperate for the job because he's been living paycheque to paycheque, or the one who's only working because he enjoys it?
Well, it's never been an official diagnosis and the original sufferers said to have had it never actually met the psychiatrist who said they had it. You can also read See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill where its debunked, and none of the victims from the eponymous Norrmalmstorg robbery ever claimed they sympathized with the robbers, they just argued that the cops were assholes who consistently made a dangerous situation worse for them (the victims). A psychologist who had been advising the cops then invented the syndrome as a means of explaining this 'weird behavior'.
To be fair, 33 years at Microsoft means dude's likely a multimillionaire and he didn't push to stay on because he was bored and wanted to fuck off anyway, so he let them give him a golden parachute instead of quitting.
It’s worth noting that the reward at Microsoft for every 5 years of service is a phallic, sharp-looking piece of crystal that grows larger with each increment of time.
The Windows Phone was a great piece of hardware, but Microsoft couldn’t line up third party support and it died on the vine. Worst part is that they took Nokia down with it.
The Zune was superior to the iPod in every way - bigger, brighter screen, FM tuner, supported open filetypes like MP3, and had more storage. But Microsoft marketing - the same folks who called people who didn’t upgrade Office because they didn’t see any value “dinosaurs” - failed to deliver this simple, compelling message.
Windows 95 was great - it created a universal graphical platform that standardized the horror of the hardware available at the time. But at the end of the day it was a patchwork quilt that was massively eclipsed 5 years later by NT 5.0 (Windows 2000). By that time, the 9x platform had become the joke that was Windows Me.
All this to say - this guy’s pride and joy resides in consumer technology that the company abandoned over a decade ago. I have known many of his kind, brandishing such names with pride every chance they get not realizing how obsolete it makes them sound. I speak from experience: Microsoft today does not in any way resemble the Microsoft he thinks of, and most of the people working there have no concept of his nostalgic perspective.
But most telling was that he was given the reins of a reorg initiative that he did not himself have a critical position in. He lost a battle in the smashmouth politics of Microsoft and doesn’t even seem to realize it.
I’m pretty sure “the r word” is not an option due to the lifestyle he’s come to take for granted. All that is going to change, I’m afraid.
That was the only phone I've ever considered over iPhone, but the guy at the Microsoft Store (remember those?!) knew nothing about it and didn't have one himself.
Beyond not having apps, the "Tiles" was a neat function but looked atrocious. I could either have them in wacky colors or white, neither of which well particularly legible. To me, it was a phone that had cool functions but hurt to look at, which kind of defeats the purpose of a smartphone.
Wrong use of “r-word” first of all. Retired is not a slur. He made an entire meal with several courses for dinner, set the table and doesn’t get to eat. Instead it’s time to “clean-up” aka start over from scratch.
Food just made the best sense for a metaphor or I’m hungry.
Are you sure? He immediately goes into saying that there’s still life in his career and that he’s going to switch into consulting. Think retirement fits best. “I’m no where close to retiring, I’m going to keep working” is how it sounds to me
My wife and I were in careers where we could retire young and on a pension. Since retiring, I've watched friends my age continue to work and they seem to age three years every year while I feel ten years younger. We are not rich, but we are happy, in good health, and the stress is out of our lives. Companies will replace you before your body is cold.
Bro implemented a model to force employees to have to train in work outside of their role, then got thrown out with the rest of the unwanted after the directly resultant workforce reduction.
He simultaneously killed his own cushy career, and probably made Microsoft somehow even worse for the foreseeable future as they are now using fewer employees to do the same or (much more likely) more amount of work.
He's been hoist, I say.
There's a lot of people putting this guy down for speaking well of his previous employer. Obviously, he has to let people know that he's looking for work, needs to show what he's done, and if he sounds like a crybaby, no one will want to hire him.
There's also a lot of assumptions about his family life and how he's sacrificed them all for his corporate job??? How do you guys know this? He's on LinkedIn. The whole point of that site is talk about work and put on the facade that is necessary to progress your career.
Let's not make assumptions about this person because of one post that they made after they were let go by a company they were with for 33 years.
It's the same story. Guy who knows how everything works comes up with nifty idea. HR implements the idea and he gets fired. Someone else takes credit for the idea but then workflow grinds to a halt because HR fired the guy who knows how everything works. Then they have to hire him as a permanent consultant at ten times his prior salary.
He worked on the phone and the Zune! 😅
Fun fact: I wanted an iPod for Christmas, 2008. My second husband got me a Zune instead, and proceeded to take over, drunkenly downloading CDs I don't care about, despite my admonishing him not to put anything stupid on my device. My kids still tease me about having had the entire Mr. Big catalogue on that device.
Being serious, this sucks for this person, and he's still so full of the corporate Kool Aid, he can't even see how much of a dick move this was to him. A layoff following 33 years of being what sounds like a devoted employee is just horrible. Loyalty is not returned whatsoever, or so it seems.
Hopefully at 33 years this person had some decent money windfalls working at Microsoft and a nice severance package. But these days working at the same company more than three years can call into question your relevancy, let alone working at the same place starting when Mr. Big had a hit on the radio.
>he's still so full of the corporate Kool Aid
That's exactly the kind HR and CEOs want to see as middle management: plastic-y corporate dummies willing to do anything for the company.
His “second family” won’t be inviting him to Christmas parties anymore that I’m sure of.
Be careful who you call family.
Work is a financial transaction and everything on top of that is BS.
Companies want people to be loyal, work hard and never ask for any time off or more money.
Companies also punish loyalty because they give out wage increases but then when it's time to cut costs, they cut your job.
Microsoft is one of the most valuable companies in the world and he got in early.
He likely is a millionaire many times over from stock alone. Don't feel too sorry for him.
100% this. 33 years ago microsoft shares were about $2. Now they're over $400. And microsoft give everyone loads of shares. If this guy isn't a multi millionaire without even trying then he must be an idiot.
I’m more than a little jealous. My career in tech starting in 1999 has been marked by constant lay offs and acquisitions beyond my control. Fortunately, one way of boosting your earnings is leaving one company to join a new one. Changing companies and jobs also forces you out of your comfort zone and keeps your skill set honed. I feel for this guy.
Seems like a good person, they will be okay in life (quite a bit better than okay most likely, which they’ve worked for and earned). Hope they got good severance, damn near everyone is laying people off right now
His whole post reads like typical rah rah LinkedIn bs. I'd be more interested if he posted how he really feels. You know he's pissed and heartbroken. I hate the horse shit masks we have to wear to make ourselves "marketable'.
The crazy part of this is Microsoft is a successful company. You're supposed to want to work hard in order to ensure success of the company to secure a job. If jobs are going to be eliminated on a whim, then what's your insentive?
Vote socialist on upcoming elections. These companies should be publicly owned and should serve the people. It's the only way to secure any of our futures.
Claudia/Karina 2024
Considering "retired "the r word" is exactly what I would think someone who has their head so far up themselves that they're impervious to bad thoughts about their employer would say.
imagine being such a conformed piece of shit that your only meaning in life is making a billionaire money. Americans are so fucked that they only feel like they matter when they are productive. It is sad as fuck.
I generally like this sub, but it's sad people can't accept this dude has had a great work life and his attitude is really healthy. We should all be so lucky.
I think some of us argue this attitude is not healthy. His entire post is propaganda for talking about a company like it’s your family while being totally happy about the fact that they will never grant him the same kind of treatment. It’s bootlicking.
Not to get lost in the weeds, but the accomplishments he is proudest of are some of the Microsofts biggest failures.
Not all firings are bad I guess is what I am saying.
Also a reminder that a employer is not your friend. There is no loyalty. Dont get comfortable at one job. Always be working to move up your pay scale.
When I worked at whole foods market and Amazon took over they did this. My marketing manager who had been there 25 years was let go. He had been planning on retiring in 2 anyway, but nope. Shameful.
It's a cute way to say "Big company syphoned my entire life and kicked me out like a pile of trash and now I really don't know what to do or how to find another job".
After 33 years he should’ve already retired and opened a position for someone younger trying to make it. So many boomers are holding onto jobs until death cuz they pissed away all their money and can’t afford to retire.
A few things here. Windows Phone and Zune were two fantastic products that were marketed terribly.
If this person has been at Microsoft for 33 years and even put just a tiny bit into the employee stock purchase plan they offer, they probably have several million dollars in stock. That isn't even counting any equity they most likely have, plus 401k money. This person is set.
With 33 years at Microsoft the letter writer is easily worth $5 million + with stock grants and options. Working is not a necessity for him/her, it’s a hobby
My dad worked for 30+ years as a machinist for a manufacturing company founded by this guy who would sell all the scrap metal they produced throughout the year and gave the money to the employees in Christmas bonuses. When he was alive they paid for over $1 million dollars of my mom’s cancer treatments. Then he died and they got bought by a big venture capital group. Now everyone there is miserable (not that they didn’t complain before, I worked there for a while too). Every 30+ year employee who had awards and were popular were either laid off or moved into management where they laid off their friends. My dad retired and 2 years later he died of a heart attack (though that was also due to other things).
Honest question, do you care about corporations? You shouldn’t. So why should companies care about you? There’s no loyalty by corporations because workers have no loyalty either. Why would I stay at a company if I could make more money elsewhere, learn new skills elsewhere, get a change of scenery elsewhere?
Just because some idiot stayed at a company for 33 years doesn’t mean they owe him anything. He owes it to himself to get another job with a higher salary.
Unless you own a company, it’s absolutely stupid to stay somewhere for a lifetime
He's an ah, he probably got hundreds of others laid off due to the restructuring he pitched. And probably made everyone else's job who's left more burdensome. He barely sees the irony from the golden parachute severance package that he is probably receiving. I would be embarrassed that I'm the reason for my own lay off, but these linkedin zombies have zero self awareness. Lol.
Yeah, my spouse was a contractor (microserf)at Microsoft worked on a project where he basically worked himself out of a job as well. Microsoft loves that stuff. They want their employees to work themselves out of a job because that’s one less body they gotta pay for 🤷🏻♀️
Lol imagine being grateful for devoting pretty much your entire career to growing a company, and then they fire you using a model you created for structuring.
Real talk though: why does that generation insist on feeling indebted to employers. It’s like they cannot compute that a job is not them doing you a favor, it’s a symbiotic relationship. You need a job to have money to live on, and they need employees to do their labor and innovation etc. It’s supposed to be a trade of services and benefits that is mutually beneficial.
I remind my own mother of this constantly when she is being basically abused by her employer: stand up for yourself, working there is not a favor they are doing you, they actually *owe* you compensation for your work. She’s a teacher at a private school and is about to have surgery, and they told her they won’t be paying her while she’s off. But guess who has to do all the lesson plans and provide all the materials for those weeks? Her. Countless hours of her personal time. And personal MONEY because they feed their teachers a line about their positions there being their “mission” so they don’t reimburse appropriately.\
They could pay her. I told her to insist on compensation for the time she has to devote to giving a sub a plan for every single day and for the time devoted to putting materials together for it.
Did anyone else catch the bit where he says his role was eliminated because they adopted a new model HE PITCHED???
Yeah, which is why it baffles me all these comments about it’s so nice to see someone who enjoyed their job. They literally took his idea, used it and canned him after 33 years. What the absolute fuck.
I've posted this before but in a pre-meeting to discuss projects we were to discuss with our vice president the next day I presented an idea and everyone in the group said "Wow, that's a great idea!" The next day in the meeting our next to the top guy in our group then presented my idea as his. All I could say was "Wow, what a great idea, how did you come up with that?"
Did he succeed in stealing it? Did everyone else know?
Everyone else knew. Didn't matter though as our division didn't last much longer and I wound up in another division and he was let go along with a lot of other highly paid dead weight. Great for me as the other division appreciated my work and I was able to implement a lot of projects without a lot of hindrance.
That worked out well then!
I love a happy ending.
This shit happens to me with older men…I’m honestly thinking they don’t really listen to me so it’s just a relief when they come with the idea that I gave them initially so we’re on the same page versus the other older men that just want to use any little thing “to teach you something” but damn I love it when our clients ask us to remove the things that they insisted I add. I’ve been working at this for 20 years so I’m starting to be less and less tolerant of the “constructive criticism” thing at the same time, which of course isn’t good.
Not only with older men but the problems at this company were old men belonging to the same Masonic organization. They would include a couple of us non-members just to keep it running.
I do this to the other guy in my department all the time. Of course, I'm always joking and immediately give him credit. The first time I did it though, oh man, it was funny. Hilarity aside, even when I make the joke, it's cringy for me inside. I can't imagine actually taking credit for someone else's idea. Morally inept.
Grrrrrrrrr
To be fair he worked on Windows 95, Zune and Windows Phone… not the best track record. /s
The Zune was WAY better than the iPod and I will DIE ON THAT HILL!
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Couldnt they be managed on your xbox as well?
Windows Phone had the best UI of any phone I have ever owned. I used to run a skin on my Android phone to replicate that UI.
I agree. As an mp3 player, it was way better than the iPod. However, as a *product* it was clearly inferior. The problem is that "products" are more than just the specs of the thing that you buy. Sometimes, it is providing not the best device, but the device people will use based on design. And of course, there is also hype and marketing as well. Apple, especially under Jobs, knew that they could sell an inferior product for more money in large numbers if they made it easy to use, sharp and stylish. That's why the graphics on a Mac or iPod are usually fairly high end, and people will pay for it, even though that's priced right in. It was the same thing with the old Macs. Make an appliance, even if that meant that it was less capable.
But zune was better as an ecosystem too. It had a music streaming service before anyone else, way before. Plus a better UI and an amazing desktop program with it too. The only thing Apple had was advertising. Well that and Microsoft never really backed the zune like Apple did the iPod.
And easily led idiots to buy their products, don't forget them. This is how we missed having the quality of Betamax.
Zune was so ahead of its time. Perfect easily used interface that's still one of the best I've ever seen. A music subscription service nearly a decade before the others. A perfect example of how having a superior product means little in this fucked up world. Colorful ads with catchy music beat out superior products every time.
I was getting out of the military and I had a job lined up as the director of food and beverage, get this, at a women's correctional facility. As part of my interview process I was required to create a menu, recipes and write up how I can help rehab the ladies. I wrote 3 separate 90day menus offering 3 separate diets. I provided recipes of 100 portions of each with instructions. I wrote a detailed rehab plan that worked with the local community collage to get anyone who was eligible a culinary degree and a work placement program to help them get work in the arts when they got out. I spent a year working on the program believing that the day I separated I would have a job. I knew the guy who ran the facility. I was getting out 2 mi the before the guy I was replacing was to retire. I had accepted the job offer and they were awaiting my arrival the after my birthday. On my birthday they called me and said I wasn't needed. Last time I checked the success rate of the women who go through the program I came up with was like 97% from incarcerated to working non reoffenders. And I'm salty as fuck about it.
I feel like he should sue
Sadly, stupidity, lack of foresight, and zero empathy aren’t illegal.
Well let me tell you a story: Had a college that was pretty great at her job, she was an intern but was basicly doing the job of a senior, although there was so much to do that they realy needed a second pair of hands to help with. So she pitched they hire her brother. Both studied the same thing and were good professionals, and they get along super well so it was perfect. Her brother gets hired and he tried to be he's best to impress and make her sister not get in trouble for pitching in his name and him not impressing. He did so good that he eventually after a few months gets offered a contract for full term, that he accepted on the spot. Thing is he worked so well that his direct manager thought he only needed one person now. So they fire his sister after he signs his contract and he finds out only when they pull her to a room, thank her for finding out such an amazing person to work with them like her brother, but now she wasn't needed anymore. Did I also mention that this happened a week before Christmas? Yeah, some people are a nice stinking pile of garbage
On what grounds? He has no evidence of discrimination.
...For what ? You don't own what you create at your job.
How? All work in the company becomes companies IP. MS surely would have employees sign the contract which states that along with the dude basically handing it to the company on a silver platter
Most companies have a clause in their handbook where anything you create for them belongs to them and as far as I'm aware, it's legally sound.
His idea required firing someone like him. It’s only fair that he could be the one fired by his idea.
They knew they milked him dry. This was his last good idea. "Security! Bring me an ice float!"
HR moment. HR often aims to cut costs to justify themselves and their bloated department and in doing so sometimes set companies back years. And company that doesnt keep a tight leash on their HR is a headache. Now we dont know the whole story. But i wouldnt be shocked if it was this.
Imagine spending 30+ years working, getting let go from what I would think was a very lucrative position, then willingly going back into the workforce... Bruh I'm putting everything I can into my TSP and personal brokerage account so I can retire as soon as possible.
30 years at MSFT in a decent position. I hope he was getting some employee stock options or RSU's or something out of it all. Even his 401k should be good. If I did work after 30 years at a company it would be doing something I love like being a park ranger or something. It sure as hell wouldn't be the same field that just fucked me.
Former MSFT employee here. Microsoft has an excellent employee stock purchase plan. I was only there for 4 years and it was at a much earlier point in my career. I did not put much into the plan and in the ten years since I have been there, that small contribution has turned into a high percentage of my retirement fund. This person most likely has a few million dollars in stock at the least if they have been there for 33 years.
This dude clearly cannot conceive of self worth without a capitalist job, ideally at a massive corporation.
It's just sad af these people's entire identity is built around their jobs. They'd much rather work til the day they die instead of spending time with their families, doing hobbies, volunteering in their local communities, or doing literally anything other than devote themselves to their corporate overlords.
It’s like a sunk cost fallacy, poured all that time and energy into something, ‘surely, it has to mean something?’ they just cannot conceive who they are without it. If not now, maybe on his deathbed he’ll realise that it was all just ‘…full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’.
>It's just sad af these people's entire identity is built around their jobs. The ship has already sailed on their families most of the time. Neglected for too long.
I can think of dozens of volunteering opportunities for a retired Microsoft director of 33 years who doesn’t need more money. But that’s obviously not this person’s definition of being useful.
Literally. I'm sure there's plenty of nonprofits in his area who's IT department could greatly benefit from his knowledge. But if he isn't getting paid for his time it's below him.
Did we read the same excerpt here? Does the guy even have IT knowledge? His job description just sounded like generic middle management.
Whay was his job? What is L&D stand for?
He called them a second family. FUCK that.
Anytime the world "family" is used within a professional or corporate setting it's a hard cringe.
He’s the sucker they love to have. Wouldn’t think twice about joining a union and just drinks the corpo kool-aide.
Or he likes what he does. He's independently consulting now.
Consider what sub you’re in. Nobody believes anyone can enjoy their work.
No, he likes getting paid for what he does. There are plenty of places that could desperately use volunteers of his experience. He could mentor and teach kids his skills. There are no end of ways to put those tech skills to use without being compelled to only feel useful if you’re doing it for a paycheck.
Well he still wants to get paid so volunteering isn't for him.
You're assuming he made good investment decisions and is actually capable of retiring.
33 y means he was around when Microsoft and internet litteraly BOOM to what it is now. During the 2000-2010 even 2020 , we all Heard or red how being in MS was a golden goose. That block spent 33y in a company that was known to pay very generously their employees and, just like Google before the merge, was a dreamjob for a lot of people. So yeah if you couldn't retire at his age, money has not been handled properly...at ALL.
Oh I agree, but maybe he could be in debt or something and is trying to appear positive about the situation so other companies see how much shit he can eat with a smile. This might be a charade.
If it’s a charade it’s a cynical one. I’ve seen posts that accomplish the same without swallowing the whole boot. I also think we need to start talking people who say they want a job got esoteric reasons at their word. You don’t have to go this far to put on a show for a job. And when they do they just make employers expect this kind of bootlicking from everyone who’s trying to do a job and go home to the things that really matter.
As "one of these types of people" I thought I should chime in here - Some people just really like to build big hard things. I haven't seen any "community organizations" that have a need for advanced programming or electronics design knowledge - for the same reason they aren't building competitive reusable rockets or space missions. "Help the local robotics club!" - It's not the same. "Do IT work for some bullshit nonprofit"! I can understand how that would feel like drowning. Find me a community organization building operating systems, distributed life-critical systems, the control system for an electrical grid - something hard enough to spend your time at. Something not-boring. There's a startup using drones to deliver blood and medical supplies in remote parts of Africa - they had community groups. Why didn't the community groups design the drones and get there first? It's not hard to design a drone for a whole community, isn't it? Hm...maybe it is! Because it's not an effective organizing principle, and those types of people solve small, boring problems ineffectively at best. Edit: Before somebody chimes in with, "Linux is community focused!" - Really? Look at the commits to the Linux kernel, and check which commits come from people employed by companies. Check who supports GCC. Companies companies companies companies....
Ehhh. Could definitely be a case of not able to afford to retire yet and, knowing of the (occasionally unconscious) age discrimination older skilled job applicants often face, this person carefully crafted their post to present someone who needs employment without appearing desperate for it or overly bitter about losing their career position.
It immediately made me assume that these high up the ladder jobs must be SO easy
Plenty of people get fulfillment out of their jobs. I worked at Microsoft for 7 years and would totally go back to coast my way to retirement. It was a really chill company and job. I worked probably like 16 hours a week as a full-time salaried engineer.
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>just count on their oversized paychecks to cover everything. Sadly a lot of my older coworkers are like that. They spent their whole career yeet'ing money everywhere, except their retirement account. Now we have all these boomers who literally can't afford to retire. It's kind of sad actually.
Imagine in 33 years at Microsoft the things he's most proud of are windows 95, zune, and windows phone. Then company time wasting inventing an unnecessary role where you duplicate information that people don't need. Sounds like a good call, Microsoft.
Yep, it sounds like this guys was no value add for a long time and was just coasting along. He should have made his exit or found a different role a long time ago.
I'm so old that when Windows 95 came out it was the fucking goat for schoolwork. Also my color-coded floppy disks for turning in work, wow
33 year career for windows 95??? What did he do, bring in the mail? And the final release of windows phone was 2015.. what’s he been doing for the past 9 years?
Came here for this comment. Staying in role longer than necessary has many ramifications. They range from being defined by the role to the lack of innovation perpetuated by your tenure. If you are as good as you espouse, you should be just as good somewhere else.
33 at MSFT is like three fucking careers. Don’t feel sorry for this guy (and he’s not asking you to). Source: I did 13 years at MSFT.
This guy is probably getting a giant severance package as well. Not all 33-year veterans at Microsoft are upset when they get laid off. In fact, they probably feel like they won the lottery. Source. Also used to work there.
Also shouldn't feel sorry for him as he was in a director level position. Dude was making mad bank and probably has had retirement money for at least 10 years
I’m just here to enjoy talking about our time at Microsoft the same way inmates talk about jail time. Source: I did 6 years at MSFT
I did 4 years. The last year was spent knowing that my role was going to be outsourced at some point and I was writing process docs for the guy who was going to take my job for a fraction of my pay, but the employee stock purchase plan was awesome.
> The last year was spent knowing that my role was going to be outsourced at some point and I was writing process docs for the guy who was going to take my job for a fraction of my pay Step 1 do this process, step 3 do process 2 again, step 7 task completed. Ok on to the next SOP! I had a field day with this in a previous position. The boss just before he let me go looked so proud of himself "ha, this dumbass is downloading his brain onto paper perfectly". Did, this so well I even got to bury some red pill stuff so the discount employee won't last longer than 12 months.
I did three. Manager told me to choose between my family and my job. Walked out. Piranha infested toilet bowl.
When was that? Not the Microsoft I know. In fact, I would argue it’s the most work life friendly techs (or was). Or maybe you just had a particularly bad manager. That happens everywhere.
07. GTSC.
God I miss Microsoft money 😭😭😭😭😭
How much (roughly) would a mid 30s Product Owner make?
Eh. Probably roughly 200k
Love the username. And that sounds like good money.
Thanks. And it's less than it should be. Profit last year being equally shared between the engineering staff would have raised salaries by ~$750,000
Jesus fuck. Europe so needs to pay more.
I mean, workers need to organize XD. This kind of profit is truly obscene. No company needs to make more in annual profit than the GDP of 111 (of 188 reporting) countries.
Hell, yeah. But it's so hard with the whole hustle culture. People have beem convinced that they can make ot of they work just hard enough...if they try just a little harder still. And all workers are being pitted against each other. We are all too busy quibbling in the lower levels to achieve real results. It's a fucking tragedy seeing some of the raises after the stock prices hit one all time high after another.
No idea honestly. Support engineer in their first "big"job made 90k so probably quite a bit more
Nice!
This dude has a home in Chelan, he's going to be just fucking fine.
12 years here. Don't feel sorry for this person
What do they call those long-time employees who are sitting on a ton of Microsoft stock?
Multi-Millionaires
[Fully Vested was the term they used.](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/1c5cy5g/33_years_means_nothing_to_corporations_they_do/kzx33t1/)
Just another day at LinkedIn. I fail to see the purpose of these "exit posts" that reek of Stockholm Syndrome.
Obviously they’re looking for a new jobs so they have to announce they left their last one. What I don’t understand is the Stockholm Syndrome aspect. You can post that you’re out of a job and looking for a new one without publicly sucking off the employer that just laid you off. But this guy went full slob on the knob.
Well he needs to get another pretty high level job somewhere else and showing his knob game might help.
Well according to his own post he doesn’t need one. He’s financially ok. He wants one. And let’s be real: no knob game is going to convince a modern tech company to hire someone verging on retirement who’s only ever worked for one other company. He’s gonna be seen as a dinosaur. This makes the knob slobbing even sadder come to think of it.
And it's people like that that get hired because they have experience. Meanwhile, the rest of us out here are barely getting by, and when we put in an application to a place where we want to grow, we're not even given an interview. Because retirement age people aren't FUCKING RETIRING!!
He has leadership experience with Microsoft. Thats a totally different thing then most any other "one company". Microsoft with Amazon is simply extremely integrated with quite a lot of old school big market share companies. Microsoft, Amazon and Google basically share cloud technology as a service market. With google lagging. Things you personally don't even see. Even without all his money and stock whatever he has, he is simply in another employment universe than us. Eddit: changed to leadership instead upper leadership.
>Well according to his own post he doesn’t need one. He’s financially ok. He wants one. That's the impression a smart person would want to project regardless of whether it's true. Pretend you're one of these soulless bosses in a position to hire someone; other factors being equal, are you gonna pick the one who's desperate for the job because he's been living paycheque to paycheque, or the one who's only working because he enjoys it?
If you kiss your former master, that's attractive to people who are looking to be kissed. It's playing the game.
Microsoft has a no criticising the company in offer letters according to rumours
Full slob on the knooooob 🤣🤣
The irony of this one is that LinkedIn is owned by Microsoft. Windows even has a macro to open it
Fun fact: Stockholm syndrome isn't real, it was made up to protect the feelings of police officers.
Source?
Well, it's never been an official diagnosis and the original sufferers said to have had it never actually met the psychiatrist who said they had it. You can also read See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill where its debunked, and none of the victims from the eponymous Norrmalmstorg robbery ever claimed they sympathized with the robbers, they just argued that the cops were assholes who consistently made a dangerous situation worse for them (the victims). A psychologist who had been advising the cops then invented the syndrome as a means of explaining this 'weird behavior'.
Interesting, thank you!
This helps me double down on doing the bare minimum for these companies, thank you!
To be fair, 33 years at Microsoft means dude's likely a multimillionaire and he didn't push to stay on because he was bored and wanted to fuck off anyway, so he let them give him a golden parachute instead of quitting.
It’s worth noting that the reward at Microsoft for every 5 years of service is a phallic, sharp-looking piece of crystal that grows larger with each increment of time. The Windows Phone was a great piece of hardware, but Microsoft couldn’t line up third party support and it died on the vine. Worst part is that they took Nokia down with it. The Zune was superior to the iPod in every way - bigger, brighter screen, FM tuner, supported open filetypes like MP3, and had more storage. But Microsoft marketing - the same folks who called people who didn’t upgrade Office because they didn’t see any value “dinosaurs” - failed to deliver this simple, compelling message. Windows 95 was great - it created a universal graphical platform that standardized the horror of the hardware available at the time. But at the end of the day it was a patchwork quilt that was massively eclipsed 5 years later by NT 5.0 (Windows 2000). By that time, the 9x platform had become the joke that was Windows Me. All this to say - this guy’s pride and joy resides in consumer technology that the company abandoned over a decade ago. I have known many of his kind, brandishing such names with pride every chance they get not realizing how obsolete it makes them sound. I speak from experience: Microsoft today does not in any way resemble the Microsoft he thinks of, and most of the people working there have no concept of his nostalgic perspective. But most telling was that he was given the reins of a reorg initiative that he did not himself have a critical position in. He lost a battle in the smashmouth politics of Microsoft and doesn’t even seem to realize it. I’m pretty sure “the r word” is not an option due to the lifestyle he’s come to take for granted. All that is going to change, I’m afraid.
I had a Windows phone and I freaking loved it. It was super intuitive to use, and I wish it had been more successful.
Me too.. I loved it, but the lack of app support made it untenable.
That was the only phone I've ever considered over iPhone, but the guy at the Microsoft Store (remember those?!) knew nothing about it and didn't have one himself. Beyond not having apps, the "Tiles" was a neat function but looked atrocious. I could either have them in wacky colors or white, neither of which well particularly legible. To me, it was a phone that had cool functions but hurt to look at, which kind of defeats the purpose of a smartphone.
Wrong use of “r-word” first of all. Retired is not a slur. He made an entire meal with several courses for dinner, set the table and doesn’t get to eat. Instead it’s time to “clean-up” aka start over from scratch. Food just made the best sense for a metaphor or I’m hungry.
the "r word?" wtf? i know it means retired, but in this context its tactless.
I thought they meant the other word - I was like dang I know I roast my coworkers but they made a whole post huh? Then I was like hmm 🤔
I think redundant fits better, seems to be the word they're specifically avoiding
Are you sure? He immediately goes into saying that there’s still life in his career and that he’s going to switch into consulting. Think retirement fits best. “I’m no where close to retiring, I’m going to keep working” is how it sounds to me
He means "redundant."
My wife and I were in careers where we could retire young and on a pension. Since retiring, I've watched friends my age continue to work and they seem to age three years every year while I feel ten years younger. We are not rich, but we are happy, in good health, and the stress is out of our lives. Companies will replace you before your body is cold.
I loved my zune. Waited in vain for years for a zune phone.
I loved that brick! My brother had an iPod and I would be able to bring up specific songs so much faster on my Zune. Still kinda miss it, tbh.
People who think they are important to a corporation may not be fully sapient
And he's grateful. Jfc
What a fucking conditioned Stockholm syndrome bootlicker
LOL!
Bro implemented a model to force employees to have to train in work outside of their role, then got thrown out with the rest of the unwanted after the directly resultant workforce reduction. He simultaneously killed his own cushy career, and probably made Microsoft somehow even worse for the foreseeable future as they are now using fewer employees to do the same or (much more likely) more amount of work. He's been hoist, I say.
There's a lot of people putting this guy down for speaking well of his previous employer. Obviously, he has to let people know that he's looking for work, needs to show what he's done, and if he sounds like a crybaby, no one will want to hire him. There's also a lot of assumptions about his family life and how he's sacrificed them all for his corporate job??? How do you guys know this? He's on LinkedIn. The whole point of that site is talk about work and put on the facade that is necessary to progress your career. Let's not make assumptions about this person because of one post that they made after they were let go by a company they were with for 33 years.
Age or tenure does not matter. You are a cog.
Remember, you're just a number.
What they put people through during the crunch in Windows 95 development everyone in that team should have had a lifetime job at Microsoft.
It's the same story. Guy who knows how everything works comes up with nifty idea. HR implements the idea and he gets fired. Someone else takes credit for the idea but then workflow grinds to a halt because HR fired the guy who knows how everything works. Then they have to hire him as a permanent consultant at ten times his prior salary.
He worked on the phone and the Zune! 😅 Fun fact: I wanted an iPod for Christmas, 2008. My second husband got me a Zune instead, and proceeded to take over, drunkenly downloading CDs I don't care about, despite my admonishing him not to put anything stupid on my device. My kids still tease me about having had the entire Mr. Big catalogue on that device. Being serious, this sucks for this person, and he's still so full of the corporate Kool Aid, he can't even see how much of a dick move this was to him. A layoff following 33 years of being what sounds like a devoted employee is just horrible. Loyalty is not returned whatsoever, or so it seems.
Hopefully at 33 years this person had some decent money windfalls working at Microsoft and a nice severance package. But these days working at the same company more than three years can call into question your relevancy, let alone working at the same place starting when Mr. Big had a hit on the radio.
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>he's still so full of the corporate Kool Aid That's exactly the kind HR and CEOs want to see as middle management: plastic-y corporate dummies willing to do anything for the company.
I hate LinkedIn so much
did this guy set up a dept/system, it was adopted and then he was fired?
Has to be the saddest most spineless shit I’ve read all year
Reminds of the guy who came to say goodbye to everyone at our department after 35 years where literally no one knew him. So sad
His “second family” won’t be inviting him to Christmas parties anymore that I’m sure of. Be careful who you call family. Work is a financial transaction and everything on top of that is BS.
Companies want people to be loyal, work hard and never ask for any time off or more money. Companies also punish loyalty because they give out wage increases but then when it's time to cut costs, they cut your job.
HR caused his firing. Based.
Jesus christ, kicked in the balls and begging for more. Pathetic
Microsoft is one of the most valuable companies in the world and he got in early. He likely is a millionaire many times over from stock alone. Don't feel too sorry for him.
100% this. 33 years ago microsoft shares were about $2. Now they're over $400. And microsoft give everyone loads of shares. If this guy isn't a multi millionaire without even trying then he must be an idiot.
I’m more than a little jealous. My career in tech starting in 1999 has been marked by constant lay offs and acquisitions beyond my control. Fortunately, one way of boosting your earnings is leaving one company to join a new one. Changing companies and jobs also forces you out of your comfort zone and keeps your skill set honed. I feel for this guy.
#Normalize not giving 2 weeks
They have some serious employment brainrot. I would definitely retire after 33 years.
It's weird seeing a post I saw on LinkedIn on Reddit.
Seems like a good person, they will be okay in life (quite a bit better than okay most likely, which they’ve worked for and earned). Hope they got good severance, damn near everyone is laying people off right now
Bro is standing on the scrapheap and thinks it's a mountain, so he's trying to enjoy the view.
FFS If this isn't reinventing forcing you to dig your own grave (metaphorically), I don't know what is.
Another Uber driver is born.
His whole post reads like typical rah rah LinkedIn bs. I'd be more interested if he posted how he really feels. You know he's pissed and heartbroken. I hate the horse shit masks we have to wear to make ourselves "marketable'.
Absolutely brainwashed
The crazy part of this is Microsoft is a successful company. You're supposed to want to work hard in order to ensure success of the company to secure a job. If jobs are going to be eliminated on a whim, then what's your insentive? Vote socialist on upcoming elections. These companies should be publicly owned and should serve the people. It's the only way to secure any of our futures. Claudia/Karina 2024
He'll probably make twice as much at another company. I wouldn't feel sorry for him.
Linkedin bootlicker culture is so wierd
Considering "retired "the r word" is exactly what I would think someone who has their head so far up themselves that they're impervious to bad thoughts about their employer would say.
Holy fuck corporations have serious brain rot if they are throwing away experienced senior employees like this.
imagine being such a conformed piece of shit that your only meaning in life is making a billionaire money. Americans are so fucked that they only feel like they matter when they are productive. It is sad as fuck.
I know right, what a waste of an existence.
I generally like this sub, but it's sad people can't accept this dude has had a great work life and his attitude is really healthy. We should all be so lucky.
I think some of us argue this attitude is not healthy. His entire post is propaganda for talking about a company like it’s your family while being totally happy about the fact that they will never grant him the same kind of treatment. It’s bootlicking.
Sounds like they wasted time doing busy work. Aligning hr outcomes? What a waste. Zune was cool, though.
L&D is all overhead. i’m honestly impressed he made it 2 years there.
His biggest payoff was pitching idea that they implemented which caused him to be laid off?
A coworker got a pen as a retirement present...
Not to get lost in the weeds, but the accomplishments he is proudest of are some of the Microsofts biggest failures. Not all firings are bad I guess is what I am saying. Also a reminder that a employer is not your friend. There is no loyalty. Dont get comfortable at one job. Always be working to move up your pay scale.
This dude made a company and a job his whole life. I can't imagine being invested in a job like that.
When I worked at whole foods market and Amazon took over they did this. My marketing manager who had been there 25 years was let go. He had been planning on retiring in 2 anyway, but nope. Shameful.
He's way "closer to the "r word"" than he thinks.
3 products I’m most proud of and 2 of them are Windows Phone and Zune.
So that’s the guy who almost runs Microsoft, uh?
I wouldn’t be crying for this person. They’re probably a multimillionaire.
That's a helluva list of things he is proud of...
Imagine a place in Chelan?
It's a cute way to say "Big company syphoned my entire life and kicked me out like a pile of trash and now I really don't know what to do or how to find another job".
After 33 years he should’ve already retired and opened a position for someone younger trying to make it. So many boomers are holding onto jobs until death cuz they pissed away all their money and can’t afford to retire.
A few things here. Windows Phone and Zune were two fantastic products that were marketed terribly. If this person has been at Microsoft for 33 years and even put just a tiny bit into the employee stock purchase plan they offer, they probably have several million dollars in stock. That isn't even counting any equity they most likely have, plus 401k money. This person is set.
I wish I could get a consulting job to learn about an industry...
If this guy’s been there 33 years he’s rich as shit
Shitty as fuck but my lord he probably got such a huge compensation package from that.
Don't feel bad for him. Look at the post, he was a bootlicker till the end. Firing him was probably an efficiency measure suggested by him.
With 33 years at Microsoft the letter writer is easily worth $5 million + with stock grants and options. Working is not a necessity for him/her, it’s a hobby
My dad worked for 30+ years as a machinist for a manufacturing company founded by this guy who would sell all the scrap metal they produced throughout the year and gave the money to the employees in Christmas bonuses. When he was alive they paid for over $1 million dollars of my mom’s cancer treatments. Then he died and they got bought by a big venture capital group. Now everyone there is miserable (not that they didn’t complain before, I worked there for a while too). Every 30+ year employee who had awards and were popular were either laid off or moved into management where they laid off their friends. My dad retired and 2 years later he died of a heart attack (though that was also due to other things).
"Windows Phone, Windows 95 and Zune" when I saw those three (notable failures for Microsoft) I wondered if it was a parody.
Call me cynical but this reads like "Help I was complacent and can't afford to retire! Willing to do anything for anyone so I can afford to live"
Honest question, do you care about corporations? You shouldn’t. So why should companies care about you? There’s no loyalty by corporations because workers have no loyalty either. Why would I stay at a company if I could make more money elsewhere, learn new skills elsewhere, get a change of scenery elsewhere? Just because some idiot stayed at a company for 33 years doesn’t mean they owe him anything. He owes it to himself to get another job with a higher salary. Unless you own a company, it’s absolutely stupid to stay somewhere for a lifetime
He's an ah, he probably got hundreds of others laid off due to the restructuring he pitched. And probably made everyone else's job who's left more burdensome. He barely sees the irony from the golden parachute severance package that he is probably receiving. I would be embarrassed that I'm the reason for my own lay off, but these linkedin zombies have zero self awareness. Lol.
The amount of ass kicking on LinkedIn ATM from people who got laid off from Tesla right now blows my mind.
One of his proudest achievements was the Zune
How much severance did you get? It better be a full year’s worth of salary after 33 years.
Wouldn’t be bragging about Zune and Windows phone though
Yeah, my spouse was a contractor (microserf)at Microsoft worked on a project where he basically worked himself out of a job as well. Microsoft loves that stuff. They want their employees to work themselves out of a job because that’s one less body they gotta pay for 🤷🏻♀️
Worlds getting crazy, I was just laid off at 17 years myself.
"oh no, the consequences of my own actions, anyway"
This guys is worth more than every person in this sub combined.
Lol imagine being grateful for devoting pretty much your entire career to growing a company, and then they fire you using a model you created for structuring. Real talk though: why does that generation insist on feeling indebted to employers. It’s like they cannot compute that a job is not them doing you a favor, it’s a symbiotic relationship. You need a job to have money to live on, and they need employees to do their labor and innovation etc. It’s supposed to be a trade of services and benefits that is mutually beneficial. I remind my own mother of this constantly when she is being basically abused by her employer: stand up for yourself, working there is not a favor they are doing you, they actually *owe* you compensation for your work. She’s a teacher at a private school and is about to have surgery, and they told her they won’t be paying her while she’s off. But guess who has to do all the lesson plans and provide all the materials for those weeks? Her. Countless hours of her personal time. And personal MONEY because they feed their teachers a line about their positions there being their “mission” so they don’t reimburse appropriately.\ They could pay her. I told her to insist on compensation for the time she has to devote to giving a sub a plan for every single day and for the time devoted to putting materials together for it.