I wish I thought of it.
I worked late because well I didn’t really have a choice 🤷🏽♀️ We worked with kids, and since kids are in school all day… you tend to work late shifts.
And my coworkers (fully aware of this fact) would bitch about getting emails late. Like I’m sorry. I’m not working 10 hour days just because you start early and leave at 5. Check your emails at a regular time. No one is demanding an answer right now.
Yep, if I send an email I'm looking for an answer in the next 24ish hours. If it's urgent there are other ways of communication.
Of course, I did my time on 3rd shift and weekend shift so I'm used to it lol.
And I love my VP in one of our locations, she unabashedly sends emails at 2am because that's when she does emails. And she gets my response pecked out at 5am waiting for spin class to start.
It's funny seeing the comparisons for different people. Mine as a mechanic:
Teams is disabled.
Email I'll respond when I next use my laptop for manuals or changing work orders, or next time I'm in the shop since email stops when I have to hotspot.
Phone calls I'll respond to asap if I'm near it. Missed calls and texts, you might be waiting until my next break lol.
And for most coworkers... Don't expect an email response. Like ever.
This is exactly how I feel. I am sending you the email because I thought of it just now and I am checking off my to-do list. Get back to me when you can.
I am only texting or calling when I need a quick response, and even then I'll just accept your response time. If you don't respond in time I move up/down/across the chain depending on what is happening.
I don't answer Teams as i have notifications off (all notifications except The Athletic for baseball game start notifications and final score). As my emails. I check them when I have time. I told my manager that if he needs me, call or text.
Teams is a tool for work, not a primary point of contact and I prefer to treat it that way.
I dont have access to either teams or email on any other decice than my work computer. I literally cant reply outside of working hours. Why would i access those from any private device?
Slack: looking for a quick response
Email: doing this for a paper trail
Phone: i need an immediate decision *or* bish i got tea and need to tell you on a non-company platform
I'm notorious for emailing at 5am but only because I just finished playing BG2 or something and checked my email before going to bed for the 4 hours sleep I have left before work.
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If I send an email, I'm just hoping for a response within 4 days (my work is 24/7 doing 12hr shifts 3 or 4 days a week)
If I text you, I'd lime a response that day.
If I call, a couple hours.
If I leave a voicemail, one hour.
If I'm doing a video call, you had better fucking answer. Shits on fire and you're about to get overtime.
Only if everyone else knows about it. I don't necessarily know how quickly you're expecting me to react, especially when you're likely to be one of three people who are asking me for information. I need to prioritise.
I have a couple of coworkers who's workflow relies sometimes upon interacting with data that I provide. I work 7:30-4 and they are closer to 9-5. All too frequently they gripe about me not being around after 4 when they need something, meanwhile they didn't say a word to me during the 6 hours we overlapped.
I've had a job (that I'll be changing from soon due to outside circumstances) for a while now that my boss was basically "come in, do your work, get your time in, and we're good." Most of the other guys worked 7:00 - 15:00 just because that worked for them, getting in and done early. I usually would go in 9:00 to 10:00, especially on days the other guys were there, to be able to help at home for the morning and leave around 6:00. Not only did it work better for me and my wife and kids, but it helped keep everything covered during the day without everyone leaving at 3 and having to go back if something happened after hours.
Exactly, this is only a problem if there is an expectation that you'd both know there was an email waiting to be read, and that you need to read it quickly.
In all my jobs (IT, in the UK) email has always been something I do exclusively on my work computer, so I don't even know about them when I'm not working.
The only work thing I get sent to my phone are Slack notifications, but they are set to go silent at the end of the working day and at weekends.
This always struck me as weird. Like, it's an email, I'm sending it because it's asynchronous. I know you will only reply when you have time. If I wanted an immediate response, I would've called you.
I get this sooo much
same people who said call/text any time, getting mad about it every time.. even if they dont respond even if its an emergency
Then they get at you first thing in the morning about anything/everything, even the same morning they got mad about your text they will repeat call you. If you dont answer (cuz your sleeping and leave your phone off like a sane person) you are blessed with sob stories about near tragedy and it only happened because they work so hard they cant afford to sleep in, like you do lol.
I’ve never understood people who feel as if they *have* to answer work emails after hours. Literally email is the “do it when you have time” method of communication. I love this tagline.
Yeah, my boss’s boss came to our company about 18 months ago, and he’s a big people person and pushes work/life balance. He’s got this in his signature almost verbatim
Yeah I mean this one isn't bad. The company I work for tells me specifically don't check work emails off the clock, fuck it, go home, have a life. But I mean also if you happen to open your work email and you happen to want to respond to something from home, they can't stop you. It's just never required.
I feel if you're getting and responding to emails as a normal job function, you're usually salary.
*ETA: Thank you everyone that shared new (to me) perspectives! I appreciate it!*
Uhm I beg to differ. Plenty of businesses have hourly employees that use email. Big example would be banks, every retail banker is hourly and uses email regularly as part of normal job function
If you’re hourly, you shouldn’t do a single work function off-the-clock. Doesn’t matter if you’re a fry cook being asked to pick up a box for FOH or a bank teller responding to email. If anything, clock in for the exact amount of time it takes to perform the function and then clock out again. Never work for free.
To be fair... salary shouldn't either once they are off the clock. They have working hours just like an hourly worker it's just a different pay schedule. Unfortunately places don't see it that way. Worked for a newspaper as a DM. Turnover Rate is HIGH. So my working hours were spent running routes that were down every single night. Or training. So all the other things that were my main job (payroll, route books, emails, etc) had to be done on my time. Either going into the office during my off hours or working from home. And If I wasn't doing that my phone was blowing up taking calls that should be going to customer service but to keep their complaint numbers down they started giving out the DMs numbers. PTO and vacation? Contract requires you are available 24/7 even during those days off. And the salary is only 32k a year. Which does not go far these days. But you work so much a second job is impossible.
I had to quit. They were 100% taking full advantage of us being salary. We had 3 part assistant DM positions that were vacant for a year. Their job was to run the routes so the we could focus on our actual main part of our job. But they just never hired them. Left the ads up all the time though. I'm not stupid. Why hire 3 more people you have to pay when you can have your current employees do it for free and have them work double the hours for the same pay. 🤷♀️
> To be fair... salary shouldn't either once they are off the clock. They have working hours just like an hourly worker it's just a different pay schedule.
Sadly, unless your employer offers employment contracts that specify this up front, there is actually no legal basis for this claim whatsoever, at least in the US. As long as you make enough money to be exempt from overtime pay (which is not much to be exempt, at all), your employer can demand any amount of work from you at any time and your only recourse would be to claim that they were giving you so much work that it qualifies for a constructive dismissal lawsuit (ie, they were essentially forcing you to quit).
Now, companies that want to continue existing do have motivation to **not** work their salaried employees to the bone like this. But there really aren't meaningful worker protections against them doing so. And fighting for such protections is one of the reasons people gather on this sub in the first place....
Additionally, as a software engineer I've spent a large portion of my career working through staffing agencies. As a result, I'm often an hourly employee, but function effectively like a salaried employee. This is pretty common practice in this industry, I don't know about other office work industries though.
Fair enough! I hope that they have *zero* after work expectations though. My job is salary and I have to deal with many things across many time zones, so I just set the "only during working hours" barrier and haven't had any negative effects.
*Also why I said "usually"*
I’d be shocked to learn there was any job outside of maybe the service industry or manual labor where getting and responding to emails wasn’t a normal job function
Yeah I do trades work and I’m on the tools, I’m regularly responding to emails whether it’s ordering materials or trying to find niche tools and equipment. Sometimes I have to contact tech support across the world and they just aren’t working during my normal working hours.
Nope, I'm hourly. I have an office job and work full time, 40hrs a week. Still clock in and out. I get customer emails, emails from the company/coworkers. Mostly during work hours, but sometimes outside of it. I have notifications on my phone turned off though, so I only check emails/Teams on my computer during my work hours. Hasn't ever been an issue if I just respond during my work hours.
what? that's not true, I'm an hourly customer service rep with a laptop and work from home a few days a week. i get emails all day every day. technically its prohibited to respond to an email if you're not clocked in, at least it says in our handbook. but it's not enforced unless it becomes a habit or a problem
Lawyers.
They bill hourly at least, not sure if when they are part of a firm there is a flat salary even of the billing of clients to the firm is hourly.
Not in WA state with an [overtime exempt minimum](https://www.lni.wa.gov/forms-publications/F700-207-000.pdf) and many employers opting for hourly everywhere. Yay for overtime at least.
I tend to send out of hours emails because I'll forget if I don't send them at the moment I think of them. I always feel awful when people feel they need to reply out of regular hours. I should add an addendum like this one.
This is what i do
If it's a urgent email, send it at 7:30 rather than 2:30am. BEcause somehow that's considered better.
if it's not urgent, but something i finished after like 9pm, send it at 8am.
again, for some reason that's considered better.
I get it though. someone working at 9pm means they're behind. Someone working at 7am means they're on top of things. It's dumb as fuck but also i get it.
I work remotely and I'm two hours ahead of the rest of my team, but I have young-ish kids so I *have* to be gone from my desk at 5. I like the settings in Teams mobile where you can set quiet hours so I only see communications from my team until EOD their time and they have to specifically @ me after those hours to *maybe* get a response, but I set expectations accordingly that I only want to be pinged for emergencies and my team has been pretty good about it. I did have to turn off the @everyone push notifications though unless they're marked !urgent as well. Someone did that for something trivial *once* and they got reamed out by the CTO.
My company knows I don't check anything outside of my working hours. If they want me to work I get overtime and they do not want to pay my overtime rate.
Makes sense especially if you're dealing with coworkers or clients that live in different timezones.
In my personal life outside work I like to schedule messages so that they arrive at a reasonable hour - Signal has an option to do this, so if I want to send someone a meme that I found at 1am without possibly waking them up then I can tell Signal to wait until morning to send it.
I use to work for a startup and I was the young gung-ho guy so I got all the international demos. Wasn’t normally too bad, little earlier for Europe, little later for Australia but I also had tons of Middle East demos. So I’d go home early sleep/nap and run demos at 1-2am. I had a similar disclaimer because if I was up working I still needed to send emails to domestic accounts. Pretty much same thing but “due to my schedule working with international accounts, I know this email may find you at an inopportune time. Feel free to respond whenever is best for you.” And so many people appreciated it. Also turns out lots of small business owners prescribe to a wide array of hours (some early birds, some start later and work later),
Yes. I witnessed 2 variations of it. The first one said something along the lines of "if this message reaches you at an unconventional time, it's because my employer grants me awesome flexibility, please only respond when you can". The other said "... it's because I am a terrible person, so don't worry about it, unless I am screaming for help, in which case please help", which I felt wrong on so many levels (sadly the person writing it was also pretty influential and wouldn't change their mind about it).
Nah, just own the 3am send. If you spin it right, you can look like you were burning the midnight oil. Reminds me of Costanza always trying to look busy.
There's no sadly on there. A good boss should enforce a work life balance. A healthy and happy employee is a productive one. Some people need to be told this at times, especially if it's a good manager so they want to help out.
Some people here make it out that anything short of a general strike and resulting revolution is not good. My goal is to make people better, and how I believe revolution would do that, revolution is not my ultimate goal, merely a means to my ultimate goal.
I don't see it that way. This shows people that there are good bosses out there and should encourage them to leave toxic workplaces if they can. If everything we see is negative, then anti-work just means "nobody should work".
Check out the community description lol. That’s what the sub was intended to be, people that want to “end work”, or the idea that nobody should work, and getting the most out of work-free life.
It has definitely evolved from that as it’s grown, though, so I agree with you, it’s good to see both sides :)
Attaining the desired outcome is often a case of incentivising preferred actions and disincentivising disliked actions.
Also, pure negativity is a drain on mental health. Celebrate what good you can find.
On this sub, usually an example like this is followed up with "and then I was let go for not immediately replying"
It's cynical & stereotypes the CEO title. But stereotypes exist for a reason...
I think it's great that they put that in their email, but technically this post violates rule 1 ("This includes posts about 'good' bosses"). Though I don't know if they enforce that part anymore.
I saw this all the time when I worked in the UK. In principle I have no problem with it, but it does feel a bit performative depending on who it's coming from. It's not going to undo a bad work culture on its own, but every little bit does help.
I just started a new job and I'm a boss to other employees for the first time in my life.
I am absolutely stealing this.
I work odd hours sometimes, and if I don't text or email the thing when I first think about it, I worry I'll forget during normal hours. Plus my staff are part-time and I have no idea what hours they may be at other jobs or sleeping or just living their own lives.
Also, since I'm here talking about this anyway, I'd love any other useful tips yall might have to be a good boss. I think I'm already on the right track because I actually have some compassion and empathy lol. But you don't always know what you don't know! Hit me with your advice! Shoot, actually, I might make a whole post for this topic rn...
At my last job, I got to take a management class (taught by my supervisor), and I definitely think it's something worth looking into, even if it's virtual classes. Skills that stood out to me were delegation, knowing how to have hard conversations, and managing the range of people who fall between needing and liking a lot explicit instructions and the people who don't need or want as much oversight.
I also recommend Brene Brown's book "Dare to Lead."
Random, unorganized thoughts:
Make it a point that their lives are more important than the work.
Remember that building trust is a two way street. If you can’t trust them, how can you expect them to trust you?
Don’t be afraid to get into the weaves with them. I make it a point to never ask something of someone I have not done myself.
If someone is running late for something, the instinctual reaction should always be “I hope they are ok” Something that little goes a long way. And if it involves someone getting somewhere, be mindful that some people may not be comfortable answering the phone when driving for safety reasons. I’d rather someone come late and safe than rushing somewhere. Remember: accidents aren’t planned, but you can reduce their likelihood by safe driving.
Don’t underestimate the power of words, especially in everyday phrases. For me “thanks, thank you, etc” are so overused that they have lost some weight since they are such an auto-response imo. I have been using “appreciate you xyz” more and more. It can catch someone off guard since they aren’t used to hearing it (an example of subverting expectations).
As a metric, my preferred one is the caller id reaction. As in, their reaction when they see my name on the phone when it rings. Sure, I cannot see their reaction, but it drives me to conduct myself in a way that when they see my name, it’s a type of reaction that expresses “fuck yeah! It’s such and such, i can’t wait to answer the phone” and not “ugh, it’s such and such”
While an org chart may put you “above them”, try picturing it upside down. It’s these folks that are putting the work in to make magic happen, and it’s your responsibility to empower and support them so they are successful. You may even think of yourself as more a facilitator than a manager. “How can I facilitate success for these people?” If someone falls short, reflect that if it’s you that didn’t support them effectively.
Remember that different people are different people.
Perhaps “turn this ship around” by L David Marquet might be something you’d be interested in.
Good wishes to you in your new adventure!
Edit: extra one
After someone is on for two weeks, take them aside and ask them if they have any feedback on your leadership/style. This could lead to them asking you the reverse about their performance. This touches on leading by example, and creating a positive feedback loop.
Listening is extremely underrated. Oftentimes the best thing you can say is…well…nothing.
Edit 2: spelling
I could, but I'd be fully unsure about what times would be good for each staff member. They actually only work for me 4 days a month, but they provide childcare and transportation for families, so sometimes I need to communicate logistics off-hours, like sending them travel directions and such. Since they work so infrequently, I really have no way of keeping track of good times to send those communications.
*ideally* I'd like to give them each a couple extra hours each month, built-in specifically for communications. I plan on bringing it up to my director, but even then, I'd like them to self-direct what times they use those hours because I know their schedules outside of their time on my team vary greatly. In that case, this disclaimer is just a perfect solution. It let's them know that I respect their time without having to pry into their lives and get their personal schedules. I just love it.
The first line of an email I send to Simone who’s OOO is do not reply to this while you’re off, and if someone messages me while their ooo I tell them to get offline and enjoy their day
Everyone that's not Simone gets a sternly worded warning that they better respond immediately and Choice_Island_4069 monitors their away status and waits to ask them questions in chat as soon as they go away after 5PM. But only if you're not Simone.
Only if he actually FOLLOWS this policy.
I’ve seen a lot of bosses who will say things like this but not actually practice it. They’ll give you crap for not having an answer for them at 7am when you’ve just woken up and seen their message they sent at 7pm the night before.
Man reminds me of when I was managing a team in India. I'd send them messages as things came up because I'm super absent minded. Some would respond... It's like 3 am or something their time... Dude no. "Hey, I'm just sending this because I'll forget, you don't need to respond until your normal working hours. Nothing we do at this job is that important."
That's really nice, and really smart.
I have a manager with 3 year old twins. She usually takes a nap with them in the afternoon, I usually go walk my dogs around that time. We're both on for a few hours in the evening, she's usually on longer than me. So sometimes I get e-mails at 8pm, sometimes at 11. Sometimes I'm able to answer right away, and sometimes I answer the next day, and you know what? that's okay.
Understanding that folks aren't up when you are is a big step in the right direction when managing people.
I'm an exec at a minor company (hold the pitch forks I'm not a multi millionaire) and this is obvious stuff. I don't do all the way to including the disclaimer on every communication but I tell my staff regularly
"You don't email the police when someone is breaking into your house. It's not an urgent form of communication. I will never expect an immediate response. But if you see my call, trust that it's important and please respond"
I've called someone once in 5 years outside typical working hours.
Just take at face value and make an example at some point. In the end it's managing expectations, if the company culture isn't too bad, this always worked for me. If not, too bad, they did signal the right thing.
It's cheap, but it's also meaningful if they mean it.
and if they don't mean it, you can always point to their signature if they are being unreasonable.
I agree. Sometimes it's not just receiving the email that's an issue, for me, its that I even had to be reminded of work stuff and have work issues grinding away at my head when I should be focused on my personal life with what little time I had to focus on it
It’s a shame that more “bosses” don’t walk the walk. They may spout on about “family” but when it comes right down to it, we’re all just a number that generates money for those at the top of the org chart.
Not sure if OP is complaining about this or praising it? Set your email notifications for business hours and ignore. There's a lot of cultural work we have to do but it's also on us to start actively unplugging from work.
Praising. Celebrating maybe. Wondering if this sub has had any sort of effect on people in powers mindsets. Also wasn't aware its technically against the rules
Someone I work with complained about some other coworkers who use it. Like dude what’s the problem? They’re literally giving you the pass for not feeling the need to respond?
Find something else to complain about…
How is this anti work? This is well put. I had this conversation with many managers and boss, telling them that by working after hours, even if it’s because they’re passionate, or like to work a lot, and they don’t expect it from others, an email or chat after hours sends a message to their employees to also do it.
They This dude makes it explicit in his email, I find it responsible
This has been a thing at my company for several years now. Most people will add their usual working patterns as well so you have an idea of when they’re likely to reply.
Yeah, I do this all the time. You can still “send” the email when you are working on it, but it won’t send until whenever you schedule it. It’s been around for awhile.
My wife has a coworker who is getting busted for scheduling emails - not because they're not allowed to, but because they're teachers and they are his emails sent to admin saying he'll be out, out to the sub list requesting coverage, etc, and they'll all go out at like 5AM on the dot claiming to be from him that morning waking up sick when they all really suspect he's out drinking the night before and sets it up ahead of time.
Note: i believe your computer needs to be logged in to send it. So if you're logged off it may not send until you log in. Unless you have some sort of app to keep your computer from not logging off.
A lot of texting apps do the same. Hold down the send button and schedule a send time. great for night owls sending text messages to your early bird friends.
Yeah this is only good if it’s backed up by leadership demonstrating it. I worked with a ceo with this kind of message but then all the leads and team were responding and it was just me who was MIA and felt pressure to respond.
Instead they should schedule send for Monday or the next work day morning.
Whenever I message a coworker after hours i tell them not to worry to respond till the start of their next work day. I often work odd hours and that’s whats best for me and lets me get my best work done. It’s something I’m really grateful for at my current company.
I worked with a great guy once who was an insomniac even worse than me. Once we figured that out it was relatively common for one of us to make a very late call to the other. It wasn't known outside the two of us and it was understood that if you didn't want to pick up you didn't. Worked well for us.
Still friends to this day, still occasionally call (now we text but still) in the middle of the night. It's worked for many years now.
My wife gets emails like this from her higher ups as well. They are US based she is in AUS. I wish they would be as considerate with regards to meeting times for her. As they are quite selfish arrogant in that regard.
Emails are inherently not hot. Emails are a get to it when you can get to it. If it's important that's what IM is for. If it's an actual emergency that's what calling is for.
Saw this same thing a couple years back. A person I did work with who in her full time job is a shift worker but is the founder of a not-for-profit on the side.
She does emails sometimes on her conversion time off (day shift to night, vice versa) and will end up emailing me at 2am on a Sunday because that’s *her* day off.
It helps her avoid the ethical dilemma of doing side work on company time, puts the ball in my court to be responsive when it works for me, and acknowledges that not *everything* is a priority 1.
My boss is the CFO (we are a multi national medical device company). He has something similar in his signature and constantly tells us to be mindful of our lives vs workload. He’s the kindest and best boss I’ve ever had and I love that this attitude is being normalized.
Exactly. I've seen this before with management types. They want you to respond, they just want to seem like they're being cool about your time. In a lot of cases this message is BS.
I just hope it’s at the top of the email and not at the bottom. Assuming it is at the top, this is an amazing practice that I hope spreads (or at the very least the mentality does).
I do this with my employees a lot. Basically: “hey, sending this now while I’m thinking of it, don’t respond until Monday unless it’s an emergency: xxxx”.
I feel that’s reasonable? As long as you try to limit it as much as possible. I also encourage my employees to have a separate work phone and only use notifications there so they don’t see weekend messages, but not everyone chooses that.
I like it, that actually perfect
I wish I thought of it. I worked late because well I didn’t really have a choice 🤷🏽♀️ We worked with kids, and since kids are in school all day… you tend to work late shifts. And my coworkers (fully aware of this fact) would bitch about getting emails late. Like I’m sorry. I’m not working 10 hour days just because you start early and leave at 5. Check your emails at a regular time. No one is demanding an answer right now.
Yep, if I send an email I'm looking for an answer in the next 24ish hours. If it's urgent there are other ways of communication. Of course, I did my time on 3rd shift and weekend shift so I'm used to it lol. And I love my VP in one of our locations, she unabashedly sends emails at 2am because that's when she does emails. And she gets my response pecked out at 5am waiting for spin class to start.
Teams: At your leisure Email: Next business day Phone: Something is actively on fire
Teams (if green check mark): right NOW, WHERE ARE YOU?! Email: whenever, idgaf Phone: fucking don't
Teams: never use it Email: I'll respond in the morning if I feel like it Phone: we both have our calendars open and are looking for a time that fits
Email: I'm sending this for written record because I expect I'll need it later.
It's funny seeing the comparisons for different people. Mine as a mechanic: Teams is disabled. Email I'll respond when I next use my laptop for manuals or changing work orders, or next time I'm in the shop since email stops when I have to hotspot. Phone calls I'll respond to asap if I'm near it. Missed calls and texts, you might be waiting until my next break lol. And for most coworkers... Don't expect an email response. Like ever.
What do you do for work?
This is the way.
This is exactly how I feel. I am sending you the email because I thought of it just now and I am checking off my to-do list. Get back to me when you can. I am only texting or calling when I need a quick response, and even then I'll just accept your response time. If you don't respond in time I move up/down/across the chain depending on what is happening.
I don't answer Teams as i have notifications off (all notifications except The Athletic for baseball game start notifications and final score). As my emails. I check them when I have time. I told my manager that if he needs me, call or text. Teams is a tool for work, not a primary point of contact and I prefer to treat it that way.
I dont have access to either teams or email on any other decice than my work computer. I literally cant reply outside of working hours. Why would i access those from any private device?
Slack: looking for a quick response Email: doing this for a paper trail Phone: i need an immediate decision *or* bish i got tea and need to tell you on a non-company platform
Teams when working inbound call center: If you don't respond in a couple of minutes, we're pulling screen recordings.
Sounds like I just need to leave "brb shitting" on a notepad
Teams is at your leisure? Opposite here. People only ping if they need something relatively quickly, and it's used sparingly outside of friends.
I'm notorious for emailing at 5am but only because I just finished playing BG2 or something and checked my email before going to bed for the 4 hours sleep I have left before work.
Shadows of Amn!
I often respond to emails right after pounding pud at 5:30 before work. Everybody has a schedule.
Is that slang for some sort of sex act? Pounding pud?
Grind the pepper, spaghetti the zucchini, yank the yonk, yonk the yank, flip the old switch, recharge the old battery, wank, plug in the old usb, masturbate furiously, set the table, sharpen the pencil, say hello to my right hand, open the champagne, unclog the toilet, plunge the sink, poke the bear, place the hotdog in its bun, ash the cigarette, scrub the bottle, open the Pringle’s can, poach the egg, tease the lion, null the void, eat the old banana, shuck the corn, core the apple, give myself a hand, cuff the old carrot, slay the dragon, slap the salami, jerk the jackrabbit, polish the silverware, popping the bottle, relieve some stress, choke the chicken, handshake the hamshank, pull the porker, beat the meat, slam the salmon, raising the batting average, do some homework, buff the baloney, do the one gun salute, tame the beast, pop it off, spank the monkey, distribute free literature, wrestling the walrus, fighting the flamingo, make love to the mamba, elating the eel, do the five knuckle shuffle, partake in important scientific research, study the bible, rustle the raccoon, dance with the dingo, punch the wood
I do not see pounding pud in there tho
Good sexbot
Bless your heart. I hope you're not a bot, but even if you are, bless you anyway.
If I send an email, I'm just hoping for a response within 4 days (my work is 24/7 doing 12hr shifts 3 or 4 days a week) If I text you, I'd lime a response that day. If I call, a couple hours. If I leave a voicemail, one hour. If I'm doing a video call, you had better fucking answer. Shits on fire and you're about to get overtime.
Very respectable tier
Only if everyone else knows about it. I don't necessarily know how quickly you're expecting me to react, especially when you're likely to be one of three people who are asking me for information. I need to prioritise.
I have a couple of coworkers who's workflow relies sometimes upon interacting with data that I provide. I work 7:30-4 and they are closer to 9-5. All too frequently they gripe about me not being around after 4 when they need something, meanwhile they didn't say a word to me during the 6 hours we overlapped.
To be fair, they probably didn't start actually working until after lunch.
Start griping that they aren't available to you at 8am and see if they get a clue
Schedule send.
I've had a job (that I'll be changing from soon due to outside circumstances) for a while now that my boss was basically "come in, do your work, get your time in, and we're good." Most of the other guys worked 7:00 - 15:00 just because that worked for them, getting in and done early. I usually would go in 9:00 to 10:00, especially on days the other guys were there, to be able to help at home for the morning and leave around 6:00. Not only did it work better for me and my wife and kids, but it helped keep everything covered during the day without everyone leaving at 3 and having to go back if something happened after hours.
It's like they have to keep all their notifications on 24/7. WHY???
Exactly, this is only a problem if there is an expectation that you'd both know there was an email waiting to be read, and that you need to read it quickly. In all my jobs (IT, in the UK) email has always been something I do exclusively on my work computer, so I don't even know about them when I'm not working. The only work thing I get sent to my phone are Slack notifications, but they are set to go silent at the end of the working day and at weekends.
Why don't you schedule your emails to be sent during working hours?
This always struck me as weird. Like, it's an email, I'm sending it because it's asynchronous. I know you will only reply when you have time. If I wanted an immediate response, I would've called you.
I get this sooo much same people who said call/text any time, getting mad about it every time.. even if they dont respond even if its an emergency Then they get at you first thing in the morning about anything/everything, even the same morning they got mad about your text they will repeat call you. If you dont answer (cuz your sleeping and leave your phone off like a sane person) you are blessed with sob stories about near tragedy and it only happened because they work so hard they cant afford to sleep in, like you do lol.
I’ve never understood people who feel as if they *have* to answer work emails after hours. Literally email is the “do it when you have time” method of communication. I love this tagline.
It conveys he sees his employees and coworkers as people not tools. Excellent small thing to show that.
It's reasonably common to have this as a signature. With this exact wording.
At your job. First time I've seen it.
I've never seen anything like this. But I've also never worked for a company that needed it.
Yeah, my boss’s boss came to our company about 18 months ago, and he’s a big people person and pushes work/life balance. He’s got this in his signature almost verbatim
It’s been going around for a while, my boss added it a year or so ago to hers
See this regularly as a corporate serf.
Aside from the missing hyphen.
Yeah I mean this one isn't bad. The company I work for tells me specifically don't check work emails off the clock, fuck it, go home, have a life. But I mean also if you happen to open your work email and you happen to want to respond to something from home, they can't stop you. It's just never required.
This becomes more of an issue if you’re hourly
I feel if you're getting and responding to emails as a normal job function, you're usually salary. *ETA: Thank you everyone that shared new (to me) perspectives! I appreciate it!*
Uhm I beg to differ. Plenty of businesses have hourly employees that use email. Big example would be banks, every retail banker is hourly and uses email regularly as part of normal job function
If you’re hourly, you shouldn’t do a single work function off-the-clock. Doesn’t matter if you’re a fry cook being asked to pick up a box for FOH or a bank teller responding to email. If anything, clock in for the exact amount of time it takes to perform the function and then clock out again. Never work for free.
To be fair... salary shouldn't either once they are off the clock. They have working hours just like an hourly worker it's just a different pay schedule. Unfortunately places don't see it that way. Worked for a newspaper as a DM. Turnover Rate is HIGH. So my working hours were spent running routes that were down every single night. Or training. So all the other things that were my main job (payroll, route books, emails, etc) had to be done on my time. Either going into the office during my off hours or working from home. And If I wasn't doing that my phone was blowing up taking calls that should be going to customer service but to keep their complaint numbers down they started giving out the DMs numbers. PTO and vacation? Contract requires you are available 24/7 even during those days off. And the salary is only 32k a year. Which does not go far these days. But you work so much a second job is impossible. I had to quit. They were 100% taking full advantage of us being salary. We had 3 part assistant DM positions that were vacant for a year. Their job was to run the routes so the we could focus on our actual main part of our job. But they just never hired them. Left the ads up all the time though. I'm not stupid. Why hire 3 more people you have to pay when you can have your current employees do it for free and have them work double the hours for the same pay. 🤷♀️
> To be fair... salary shouldn't either once they are off the clock. They have working hours just like an hourly worker it's just a different pay schedule. Sadly, unless your employer offers employment contracts that specify this up front, there is actually no legal basis for this claim whatsoever, at least in the US. As long as you make enough money to be exempt from overtime pay (which is not much to be exempt, at all), your employer can demand any amount of work from you at any time and your only recourse would be to claim that they were giving you so much work that it qualifies for a constructive dismissal lawsuit (ie, they were essentially forcing you to quit). Now, companies that want to continue existing do have motivation to **not** work their salaried employees to the bone like this. But there really aren't meaningful worker protections against them doing so. And fighting for such protections is one of the reasons people gather on this sub in the first place....
That wasn’t in question, obviously you shouldn’t, I just was disagreeing with the statement that those who use email are usually salary.
What hourly retail bank employee would have their work email on any device outside of the premises? Probably something very wrong if they do.
Additionally, as a software engineer I've spent a large portion of my career working through staffing agencies. As a result, I'm often an hourly employee, but function effectively like a salaried employee. This is pretty common practice in this industry, I don't know about other office work industries though.
Fair enough! I hope that they have *zero* after work expectations though. My job is salary and I have to deal with many things across many time zones, so I just set the "only during working hours" barrier and haven't had any negative effects. *Also why I said "usually"*
I’d be shocked to learn there was any job outside of maybe the service industry or manual labor where getting and responding to emails wasn’t a normal job function
I think they mean if you're answering emails outside of work you're usually salaried.
Yeah I do trades work and I’m on the tools, I’m regularly responding to emails whether it’s ordering materials or trying to find niche tools and equipment. Sometimes I have to contact tech support across the world and they just aren’t working during my normal working hours.
Nope, I'm hourly. I have an office job and work full time, 40hrs a week. Still clock in and out. I get customer emails, emails from the company/coworkers. Mostly during work hours, but sometimes outside of it. I have notifications on my phone turned off though, so I only check emails/Teams on my computer during my work hours. Hasn't ever been an issue if I just respond during my work hours.
what? that's not true, I'm an hourly customer service rep with a laptop and work from home a few days a week. i get emails all day every day. technically its prohibited to respond to an email if you're not clocked in, at least it says in our handbook. but it's not enforced unless it becomes a habit or a problem
Lawyers. They bill hourly at least, not sure if when they are part of a firm there is a flat salary even of the billing of clients to the firm is hourly.
Im an hourly field tech for a big internet and TV provider and I use emails constantly for communication with different departments
Not in WA state with an [overtime exempt minimum](https://www.lni.wa.gov/forms-publications/F700-207-000.pdf) and many employers opting for hourly everywhere. Yay for overtime at least.
Oh..this is interesting! Thanks for sharing. Seems like an attempt to level the playing field between salary expempt and hourly.
I tend to send out of hours emails because I'll forget if I don't send them at the moment I think of them. I always feel awful when people feel they need to reply out of regular hours. I should add an addendum like this one.
One thing I try to do is tell my mail client to schedule the email for 8am next morning.
8:13 so it doesn't look like it was scheduled lol
I do the same for personal emails, but that's because I don't want people to think I'm a weirdo sending emails at 2 am.
Now all of china knows you're a weirdo checking his emails at 2am
I'm willing to bet they already knew
I like how outlook prompts for this these days.
This is what i do If it's a urgent email, send it at 7:30 rather than 2:30am. BEcause somehow that's considered better. if it's not urgent, but something i finished after like 9pm, send it at 8am. again, for some reason that's considered better. I get it though. someone working at 9pm means they're behind. Someone working at 7am means they're on top of things. It's dumb as fuck but also i get it.
The more people willing to do it, the more likely it becomes an unwritten expectation, the more likely it becomes required.
I work remotely and I'm two hours ahead of the rest of my team, but I have young-ish kids so I *have* to be gone from my desk at 5. I like the settings in Teams mobile where you can set quiet hours so I only see communications from my team until EOD their time and they have to specifically @ me after those hours to *maybe* get a response, but I set expectations accordingly that I only want to be pinged for emergencies and my team has been pretty good about it. I did have to turn off the @everyone push notifications though unless they're marked !urgent as well. Someone did that for something trivial *once* and they got reamed out by the CTO.
And if I can make my tomorrow easier by hitting something now while dinner is in the oven that's my decision
My company knows I don't check anything outside of my working hours. If they want me to work I get overtime and they do not want to pay my overtime rate.
I see this a lot in international firms
Makes sense especially if you're dealing with coworkers or clients that live in different timezones. In my personal life outside work I like to schedule messages so that they arrive at a reasonable hour - Signal has an option to do this, so if I want to send someone a meme that I found at 1am without possibly waking them up then I can tell Signal to wait until morning to send it.
I use to work for a startup and I was the young gung-ho guy so I got all the international demos. Wasn’t normally too bad, little earlier for Europe, little later for Australia but I also had tons of Middle East demos. So I’d go home early sleep/nap and run demos at 1-2am. I had a similar disclaimer because if I was up working I still needed to send emails to domestic accounts. Pretty much same thing but “due to my schedule working with international accounts, I know this email may find you at an inopportune time. Feel free to respond whenever is best for you.” And so many people appreciated it. Also turns out lots of small business owners prescribe to a wide array of hours (some early birds, some start later and work later),
Yes. I witnessed 2 variations of it. The first one said something along the lines of "if this message reaches you at an unconventional time, it's because my employer grants me awesome flexibility, please only respond when you can". The other said "... it's because I am a terrible person, so don't worry about it, unless I am screaming for help, in which case please help", which I felt wrong on so many levels (sadly the person writing it was also pretty influential and wouldn't change their mind about it).
And usually isn't an entire paragraph.
I should do this, I'm often sending emails at 1-5am lmao since I don't have a set sleep or work schedule.
I use "schedule send" a lot
This is the way. Slack adding scheduling was a godsend
OMG. I use schedule send in Outlook all the time. I had no idea Slack had it too. Just googled how to use it, this is great! Thanks internet stranger
Me too but vice versa 😄
Nah, just own the 3am send. If you spin it right, you can look like you were burning the midnight oil. Reminds me of Costanza always trying to look busy.
Use scheduling to send it at 3 am
I actually like that.
I don't see a problem?
sometimes we post good things.
Less bad things*
This isn’t bad. This is very good This is a good thing
Yeah the boss explicitly saying not to do work things outside of work time is, sadly, pretty good these days.
There's no sadly on there. A good boss should enforce a work life balance. A healthy and happy employee is a productive one. Some people need to be told this at times, especially if it's a good manager so they want to help out. Some people here make it out that anything short of a general strike and resulting revolution is not good. My goal is to make people better, and how I believe revolution would do that, revolution is not my ultimate goal, merely a means to my ultimate goal.
There isn't one?
They're just conditioned by this sub to assume someone is bitching about something
To be fair that’s the point of this sub. If every CEO was like this one, we wouldn’t have to be anti-work. This is more of a pro-work message.
I don't see it that way. This shows people that there are good bosses out there and should encourage them to leave toxic workplaces if they can. If everything we see is negative, then anti-work just means "nobody should work".
Check out the community description lol. That’s what the sub was intended to be, people that want to “end work”, or the idea that nobody should work, and getting the most out of work-free life. It has definitely evolved from that as it’s grown, though, so I agree with you, it’s good to see both sides :)
Yeah, this post actually violates rule 1, lol.
Rule one is kinda ridiculous
Attaining the desired outcome is often a case of incentivising preferred actions and disincentivising disliked actions. Also, pure negativity is a drain on mental health. Celebrate what good you can find.
Well, since it doesn't this does violate Rule #1 so it isn't exactly conditioning but 'law'.
On this sub, usually an example like this is followed up with "and then I was let go for not immediately replying" It's cynical & stereotypes the CEO title. But stereotypes exist for a reason...
I'm not arguing that. I just basically wanted to state that I didn't say that there was a problem to begin with
Yeah, there's not. Good on them if they stick to it.
I think it's great that they put that in their email, but technically this post violates rule 1 ("This includes posts about 'good' bosses"). Though I don't know if they enforce that part anymore.
Oh wow did not know that was a thing.
"Well-Being" should be hyphenated.
Maybe the CEO is a being that lives in a well.
Would explain his weird hours
This made me laugh so hard my husband paused his video game to find out what was up.
"What's that, Lassie? The CEO fell down a well?!" \*makes a cup of tea and puts feet up\*
Makes sense. They're probably a mythical creature.
I cackled
“Oh CEO of the well, what is your wisdom?”
There is none. This is a good CEO.
I saw this all the time when I worked in the UK. In principle I have no problem with it, but it does feel a bit performative depending on who it's coming from. It's not going to undo a bad work culture on its own, but every little bit does help.
I just started a new job and I'm a boss to other employees for the first time in my life. I am absolutely stealing this. I work odd hours sometimes, and if I don't text or email the thing when I first think about it, I worry I'll forget during normal hours. Plus my staff are part-time and I have no idea what hours they may be at other jobs or sleeping or just living their own lives. Also, since I'm here talking about this anyway, I'd love any other useful tips yall might have to be a good boss. I think I'm already on the right track because I actually have some compassion and empathy lol. But you don't always know what you don't know! Hit me with your advice! Shoot, actually, I might make a whole post for this topic rn...
At my last job, I got to take a management class (taught by my supervisor), and I definitely think it's something worth looking into, even if it's virtual classes. Skills that stood out to me were delegation, knowing how to have hard conversations, and managing the range of people who fall between needing and liking a lot explicit instructions and the people who don't need or want as much oversight. I also recommend Brene Brown's book "Dare to Lead."
Random, unorganized thoughts: Make it a point that their lives are more important than the work. Remember that building trust is a two way street. If you can’t trust them, how can you expect them to trust you? Don’t be afraid to get into the weaves with them. I make it a point to never ask something of someone I have not done myself. If someone is running late for something, the instinctual reaction should always be “I hope they are ok” Something that little goes a long way. And if it involves someone getting somewhere, be mindful that some people may not be comfortable answering the phone when driving for safety reasons. I’d rather someone come late and safe than rushing somewhere. Remember: accidents aren’t planned, but you can reduce their likelihood by safe driving. Don’t underestimate the power of words, especially in everyday phrases. For me “thanks, thank you, etc” are so overused that they have lost some weight since they are such an auto-response imo. I have been using “appreciate you xyz” more and more. It can catch someone off guard since they aren’t used to hearing it (an example of subverting expectations). As a metric, my preferred one is the caller id reaction. As in, their reaction when they see my name on the phone when it rings. Sure, I cannot see their reaction, but it drives me to conduct myself in a way that when they see my name, it’s a type of reaction that expresses “fuck yeah! It’s such and such, i can’t wait to answer the phone” and not “ugh, it’s such and such” While an org chart may put you “above them”, try picturing it upside down. It’s these folks that are putting the work in to make magic happen, and it’s your responsibility to empower and support them so they are successful. You may even think of yourself as more a facilitator than a manager. “How can I facilitate success for these people?” If someone falls short, reflect that if it’s you that didn’t support them effectively. Remember that different people are different people. Perhaps “turn this ship around” by L David Marquet might be something you’d be interested in. Good wishes to you in your new adventure! Edit: extra one After someone is on for two weeks, take them aside and ask them if they have any feedback on your leadership/style. This could lead to them asking you the reverse about their performance. This touches on leading by example, and creating a positive feedback loop. Listening is extremely underrated. Oftentimes the best thing you can say is…well…nothing. Edit 2: spelling
You can also set the email to send automatically at a future date and time as an option as well.
I could, but I'd be fully unsure about what times would be good for each staff member. They actually only work for me 4 days a month, but they provide childcare and transportation for families, so sometimes I need to communicate logistics off-hours, like sending them travel directions and such. Since they work so infrequently, I really have no way of keeping track of good times to send those communications. *ideally* I'd like to give them each a couple extra hours each month, built-in specifically for communications. I plan on bringing it up to my director, but even then, I'd like them to self-direct what times they use those hours because I know their schedules outside of their time on my team vary greatly. In that case, this disclaimer is just a perfect solution. It let's them know that I respect their time without having to pry into their lives and get their personal schedules. I just love it.
The first line of an email I send to Simone who’s OOO is do not reply to this while you’re off, and if someone messages me while their ooo I tell them to get offline and enjoy their day
I'm sure Simone appreciates it. She works hard.
Everyone that's not Simone gets a sternly worded warning that they better respond immediately and Choice_Island_4069 monitors their away status and waits to ask them questions in chat as soon as they go away after 5PM. But only if you're not Simone.
He gets it.
Only if he actually FOLLOWS this policy. I’ve seen a lot of bosses who will say things like this but not actually practice it. They’ll give you crap for not having an answer for them at 7am when you’ve just woken up and seen their message they sent at 7pm the night before.
Man reminds me of when I was managing a team in India. I'd send them messages as things came up because I'm super absent minded. Some would respond... It's like 3 am or something their time... Dude no. "Hey, I'm just sending this because I'll forget, you don't need to respond until your normal working hours. Nothing we do at this job is that important."
That's really nice, and really smart. I have a manager with 3 year old twins. She usually takes a nap with them in the afternoon, I usually go walk my dogs around that time. We're both on for a few hours in the evening, she's usually on longer than me. So sometimes I get e-mails at 8pm, sometimes at 11. Sometimes I'm able to answer right away, and sometimes I answer the next day, and you know what? that's okay. Understanding that folks aren't up when you are is a big step in the right direction when managing people.
I'm an exec at a minor company (hold the pitch forks I'm not a multi millionaire) and this is obvious stuff. I don't do all the way to including the disclaimer on every communication but I tell my staff regularly "You don't email the police when someone is breaking into your house. It's not an urgent form of communication. I will never expect an immediate response. But if you see my call, trust that it's important and please respond" I've called someone once in 5 years outside typical working hours.
This is pretty popular for executives at my company. I find it to be well intentioned, but cheap effort without real follow through.
saw it in mine as well, but they absolutely expected an immediate reply anyway 🤷🏻♀️ lucky, those with execs that actually stand by it.
Just take at face value and make an example at some point. In the end it's managing expectations, if the company culture isn't too bad, this always worked for me. If not, too bad, they did signal the right thing.
It's cheap, but it's also meaningful if they mean it. and if they don't mean it, you can always point to their signature if they are being unreasonable.
I agree. Sometimes it's not just receiving the email that's an issue, for me, its that I even had to be reminded of work stuff and have work issues grinding away at my head when I should be focused on my personal life with what little time I had to focus on it
Why not set notification schedules? Or if you have a work phone, just turn it off.
At first I thought the guy was being sarcastic, but when I read the disclaimer I was like “…oh.”
my old boss had twin babies. My old boss would email at the most random times. I assumed it was cuz of the babies.
The well being notice is perfectly reasonable and honestly shows they get it.
It’s a shame that more “bosses” don’t walk the walk. They may spout on about “family” but when it comes right down to it, we’re all just a number that generates money for those at the top of the org chart.
that actually a good thing
I like it. Respectful yet professional.
This is perfect. I’m stealing it.
Not sure if OP is complaining about this or praising it? Set your email notifications for business hours and ignore. There's a lot of cultural work we have to do but it's also on us to start actively unplugging from work.
Praising. Celebrating maybe. Wondering if this sub has had any sort of effect on people in powers mindsets. Also wasn't aware its technically against the rules
Someone I work with complained about some other coworkers who use it. Like dude what’s the problem? They’re literally giving you the pass for not feeling the need to respond? Find something else to complain about…
How is this anti work? This is well put. I had this conversation with many managers and boss, telling them that by working after hours, even if it’s because they’re passionate, or like to work a lot, and they don’t expect it from others, an email or chat after hours sends a message to their employees to also do it. They This dude makes it explicit in his email, I find it responsible
This has been a thing at my company for several years now. Most people will add their usual working patterns as well so you have an idea of when they’re likely to reply.
How is this anti-work? This is fucking perfect
In my mind it's showing that this sub might be changing people's opinions
We were encouraged to put this exact wording on our email signature years ago. Just a little courtesy.
How is this anti work? This is actually the right way to do it
You can schedule a time for emails to be sent in Outlook.
Yeah, I do this all the time. You can still “send” the email when you are working on it, but it won’t send until whenever you schedule it. It’s been around for awhile.
My wife has a coworker who is getting busted for scheduling emails - not because they're not allowed to, but because they're teachers and they are his emails sent to admin saying he'll be out, out to the sub list requesting coverage, etc, and they'll all go out at like 5AM on the dot claiming to be from him that morning waking up sick when they all really suspect he's out drinking the night before and sets it up ahead of time.
Note: i believe your computer needs to be logged in to send it. So if you're logged off it may not send until you log in. Unless you have some sort of app to keep your computer from not logging off. A lot of texting apps do the same. Hold down the send button and schedule a send time. great for night owls sending text messages to your early bird friends.
This has "covering our asses" vibes. I've probably become so cynical after being ruined by employers.
Yeah this is only good if it’s backed up by leadership demonstrating it. I worked with a ceo with this kind of message but then all the leads and team were responding and it was just me who was MIA and felt pressure to respond. Instead they should schedule send for Monday or the next work day morning.
Bad people covering their asses in writing is still better than bad people not putting anything in writing.
Such a boss would quickly learn that a time that works for me is when I'm on the clock - if they're fine with that, we cool
That’s the point of the notice.
It is antiwork sub. They can fathom a boss doing slightly good thing.
I feel like that’s pretty good?
Yea?
Whenever I message a coworker after hours i tell them not to worry to respond till the start of their next work day. I often work odd hours and that’s whats best for me and lets me get my best work done. It’s something I’m really grateful for at my current company.
I prefer using delayed send. The email gets sent out first thing in the morning, rather than whatever odd hours I happen to be working.
How does this fit anti work? Steve’s CEO is being totally respectful here.
That ain’t bad tbh I kinda like it
K well I'll reply when I'm at work and clocked in
Yeah actually that’s a great disclaimer.
I thought it was gonna be some absolute Bs but it's good management vibes
I worked with a great guy once who was an insomniac even worse than me. Once we figured that out it was relatively common for one of us to make a very late call to the other. It wasn't known outside the two of us and it was understood that if you didn't want to pick up you didn't. Worked well for us. Still friends to this day, still occasionally call (now we text but still) in the middle of the night. It's worked for many years now.
It’s implied actually. Isn’t that the point of en email or text? Write back when you can? Otherwise you’d just call
My wife gets emails like this from her higher ups as well. They are US based she is in AUS. I wish they would be as considerate with regards to meeting times for her. As they are quite selfish arrogant in that regard.
Emails are inherently not hot. Emails are a get to it when you can get to it. If it's important that's what IM is for. If it's an actual emergency that's what calling is for.
You guys have to include something basic as this?
Cant wait to see that at the bottom of emails that HaVe To be urgently responded too !!!11o1n11e
Its amazing how much a healthy work environment comes down to management just being decent human beings.
I've seen this in a few email signatures and I think it's brilliant and should become more commonplace.
Saw this same thing a couple years back. A person I did work with who in her full time job is a shift worker but is the founder of a not-for-profit on the side. She does emails sometimes on her conversion time off (day shift to night, vice versa) and will end up emailing me at 2am on a Sunday because that’s *her* day off. It helps her avoid the ethical dilemma of doing side work on company time, puts the ball in my court to be responsive when it works for me, and acknowledges that not *everything* is a priority 1.
CEO has been watching Veronica Reels on Facebook! :P
It's nice, but it's sad that it even needs to be said
I love that
My boss is the CFO (we are a multi national medical device company). He has something similar in his signature and constantly tells us to be mindful of our lives vs workload. He’s the kindest and best boss I’ve ever had and I love that this attitude is being normalized.
Schedule send exists for this reason. Write it now, fine, send it at 8am. No need for the masturbatory message
Exactly. I've seen this before with management types. They want you to respond, they just want to seem like they're being cool about your time. In a lot of cases this message is BS.
Doesn't make a difference. If you're upset about it, just don't check your work email after hours.
Naw everyone in this sub is mad all the time never allowed to be reasonsble
I send off time emails sometimes (Director). I schedule them to be sent at the time of the recipients working hours.
That’s cool and all but should go without saying.
This CEO needs to discover the "Schedule Send" feature.
implying they don't know it exists. If you use that feature then you might have to wait until working hours to get a response.
I just hope it’s at the top of the email and not at the bottom. Assuming it is at the top, this is an amazing practice that I hope spreads (or at the very least the mentality does).
I do this with my employees a lot. Basically: “hey, sending this now while I’m thinking of it, don’t respond until Monday unless it’s an emergency: xxxx”. I feel that’s reasonable? As long as you try to limit it as much as possible. I also encourage my employees to have a separate work phone and only use notifications there so they don’t see weekend messages, but not everyone chooses that.
Yeah I mean this should be the standard.