Are you saying you copy your cover letter from a text file, or do you literally just type out coverletter.txt for your cover letter so it looks like a broken hyperlink?
It’s supposed to be a way for an applicant to describe their goals and experience in a sort of narrative. Nowadays it seems like company’s use it to gauge how well an applicant can suck up and how much shit they’re willing to eat
"Dedicated professional seeking to leverage extensive skill set and proven track record of success in contributing to the strategic goals of a dynamic organization, while continuing personal and professional growth."
There. That works for any position
Original point was to learn more about you as a human vs just the technical side of a resume. You can talk about whatever passion or goals you have as a future employee and as a person.
They make more sense with in person resumes, but now they're just read before they have you interview to get a sense of who you are before you can actually meet them, to see if you fit into their workplace.
Makes more sense for corporate environments, since they want someone who will be good with their team, completely useless for most other jobs since the idea of being a "family" is BS anyway, you're there to make money and do your job and go home.
Me too. When I was searching I got way more callbacks without a cover letter because the probably read my resume instead of filtering the cover letter for the jargon they wanted
I agree. Using ChatGPT to format and make things look nice doesn't change my work history or experience. Kind of seems a bit hypocritical of organizations to complain about people using the same methodology.
someone needs to develop a fully automated ai process for applicants that produces the appearance of perfect unicorn candidates for job seekers until the employers admit that using ai and all other automated processes in their hiring is dehumanizing and wrong and stop doing it
if they're using ai for their hiring we can use ai for our job seeking-- it goes both ways
right - i just had an application tell me ai would be used to give my application a number score comparing my resume to the job description, so i just had chat gpt do the same and then tell me what i needed to change to make my resume score higher. if you can use ai, i can use ai!
This is a massive misconception. I'm sure some companies use AI tools for hiring, but a massive majority do and will not.
For starters, tech comes at a massive cost to companies. They're already paying for an ATS, and maybe a ZoomInfo account, they're not going to want to add another service.
Most hiring teams are not using AI at all.
WTF are you talking about?
If you post on Indeed, LinkedIn, ZIP recruiter or any other job posting site, you're using their AI.
Unless a hiring team is self hosted, they're using AI.
I'm an HR Generalist with a background in recruiting. I still do recruiting.
What aspect of Indeeds Job Board utilizes AI? They have an AI resume tool but that's fully separate from their job board and comes at an additional cost.
You literally said they use an algorithm... 100% of what people think is AI is just an algorithm... Because artificial intelligence literally isn't real.
Of the 40 applications I submitted on Indeed in the last 2 weeks, about 5 asked me to opt-in to AI review of my application which would give them a number score of my application. Opting out would give a "no result" result.
Yes, 5 of 40 isn't "most" or even "a lot," but I submitted 40 more applications a month prior and the number of times I saw that question was 0.
More and more companies are using tools likes these and if companies like Indeed are offering them, that number is going to increase even faster
Maybe jobs should stop using automated processes for hiring folks and screening candidates. So long as a computer is making HR decisions, I don’t really see the point of HR being needed.
When I was applying for jobs, all I’d do is, in the relevant experience/skills, put all the damn things the job required. With my cover letter, all I’d really change is the name of the company I was applying to and how I’d be a good fit. I took the cover letter from a template the job office used (they gave a bunch of assistance to me as a veteran). Folks complain about “plagiarizing a cover letter,” yet, we all pretty much do. We plagiarize resumes. We plagiarize job descriptions. Don’t lie to me and say you didn’t look up job descriptions and such.
Re-inventing the wheel is fucking stupid. I’ve given my resume to folks to use as a template. Granted, my resume was for government work, so it’s well beyond two pages, however, folks can tailor whatever they want. The fact these HR assholes have the fucking AUDACITY to complain that a computer is doing work for workers, yet, they’re doing the same? Fuck em.
They have to use an automated process for the first round. They get too many applicants otherwise with the rise of sites like indeed. Before they would get like 20-50 applicants for one position, perfectly fine for the one or two people assigned to that job to do a good job reviewing candidates. Now with indeed it is like 20-50 or more per DAY. They need some way to filter out people
Using an algorithm to weed out resume's based on keywords and other criteria is VASTLY different then using an AI like chatGPT to write your cover letters for you. One is applying a filter you would do manually one is writing the stuff for you.
So one is computer doing stuff for a person that they would otherwise have to do manually which is bad, and the other is computer doing stuff for a company that they would otherwise have to do manually and this is perfectly acceptable?
Could an applicant not go through their own resume manually for each specific job and tailor it to responsibilities listed etc.?
Would companies even have 200+ resumes to sort if they didn't post on job boards to get the maximum number of applicants to try to 'find the best possible applicant'?
one is effectively just an automated sorter and one is writing things for you which you then plagiarize to use. I posted this in another comment but I am not against using AI to refine your cover letters and spruce them up, effectively using AI as a tool in your belt. what I am against is using AI to completely or mostly right your cover letter for you.
I can see what you’re saying, but if a person has AI write them a cover letter with little or no input, it’ll be the most boiler plate, basic pablum available. It will be wordy too.
Garbage in, garbage out. It would be no different than what people did ten years ago: go to some website with cover letter examples, copy/paste them and edit in your name, the company name, the position and the date and call it good.
yep and IMO that is what the article is talking about. the garbage in garbage out. if used correctly AI can be a force multiplier but as you said you need something good to go in to be multiplied
I’ve had to start using it for my job now and again. It’s starting to be more important now due to workload. I’ve gone the easy route, given it little info and turned it loose. Garbage in; what comes out read like the people who talk in meetings but never have anything to say…
But when you take brain vomit notes that are long run ons and you’re having a difficult time stitching together complex technical stuff? It’s awesome.
I don’t get the complaint from the headline tho. Yeah, this is what people are going to do. If you ask for something no one will really read, you shouldn’t expect just a whole lot.
Side note: I had AI write an email to my old boss last year requesting a day off due to something that came up unexpectedly - and it was hysterical. His reply, written entirely by AI also kept the trend going. Funny stuff.
Have you ever actually used GPT? If you're just telling it to write you a cover letter then yeah, it'll be obvious that you used GPT. You have to customize and modify it. And what's wrong with that if the letter is factual? 95 times out of 100, a potential employer won't bother to send you a fuck off letter so why should we waste time on them?
It's not though. In real life you'd have more nuance to your decisions and have to actually think about who and why you're filtering. Just like if I knew that human eyes were going to actually look at a cover letter I'd put more care and time into it.
that is done in the next steps of the interview process. The filtering is just done to filter out the people that applied that have no chance at getting the job. Like they don't have the required certifications or experience needed for the job (yes this happens). Having real people look at those applications is just a waste of time for both the people applying and the HR working the application process
Except the algorithms generally used to weed out resumes in the application process are not AI. They are simple algorithms looking for keywords and other specific criteria. This is vastly different from using an AI to write cover letters for you
Daniel Tosh has a podcast now and he recently interviewed an AI professor from UCLA. During the interview he specifically called out companies for using AI to sort resumes.
He talks about how companies don't invest in an AI engineer to implement the AI model to the specific needs of the company so they end up doing an awful job of sorting the resumes.
It's a serious issue right now.
I've never written a cover letter and will never do so. Read my resume, ask me questions in the interview, and allow simple resume submittals on Indeed and other job sites.
For real. It's like let me give you all the relevant and pertinent information in a nicely formatted document and then let me give you the same information again stretched into a two page letter. What's the fucking point?
If it's "misuse" to use AI to write pointless cover letters that are read only by AI, then screening candidates' cover letters with AI is also "misuse".
I havnt submitted a cover letter in years.
The companies do not get more effort than they put into looking at my credentials and documents I provide. If they do request a cover letter and it's a run of the mill job that's a red flag right there. They are very out of tune with the current job market and generation. Leadership and HR making those decisions are out of touch.
Generative AI can suck my butthole, but so can employers who treat their applicants like cattle and make them jump through Cirque Du Soleil level hoops just to get a fucking interview.
Companies misusing AI: “It helps cut down costs, lets us pick the lowest offer plus, we can sell data to 3rd party advertisers for extra revenue. A win-win!”
Gen Z misusing AI: “We can’t sell this data, we have to READ the resume and we get nothing out of it… UNACCEPTABLE!”
I once read that the objective of writing a job advertisement is to get exactly one person to apply and that person to be the best person for the job. Maybe that goal should be given to AI.
The biggest problem with all recruiting and selecting processes is that they are never carried out with a control group. Somebody needs to be hiring people at random and comparing their effectiveness with the people who the system would select.
As far as I'm aware all studies of selection processes have concluded that the only thing it selects for is people who are good at getting selected. It has no correlation to job performance
I applied to a company for several different positions (nothing that required degrees or any particular skill), and my applications were *immediately* rejected. I knew they had their bs ai filtering the applications. It was really frustrating.
I had this weird experience of getting an interview, doing really well at it, only to discover that the job didn't exist.
Ah, but because that job didn't exist, another did, so, huzzah, I just needed to apply to the job which supposedly did exist, and I had already been pre-interviewed. I would be a shoe-in. They already knew me! They were expecting my application! It was going to be great.
Only...I was warned they had implemented a new AI ATS system. So be careful with keywords.
Oh shit, I thought, I had better try and do something about it. I used an AI driven cover letter creator and resume editor, which identified (or guessed!) the keyest of the key words. I then spent fucking hours making the AI cover letter sounding less like an overcaffeinated pick me gremlin.
And I submitted my application, safe in the knowledge that the people who were expecting me to apply would probably read my application and who knows?
Utter, total, complete silence. I can only conclude that the new ATS system they were excited about saw my application and absolutely nuked it from orbit so hard that I may as well not have bothered
I went back to doing cover letters by hand after that.
Well well well. If it’s not the consequences of someone’s actions.
How many identical job postings are out there? So many identical bullet points that read like it came from a template? How many bullshit criteria, like needing to lift 50 pounds to with a sedentary job? How many postings list a whole lot of shit that simply isn’t necessary to the position?
They’re just pissed we aren’t groveling and working up a sweat begging work any more.
YES. The language used in these descriptions is a tell. "Cross functional teams" is a term that seems to crop up a lot. Can't convince me that it's not just being copy>pasted by 1, 000+ different organizations looking to rephrase "teamwork" in a fluffier-sounding manner across all their job descriptions.
I put my resume into an AI and was surprised by what it did. It's basically the same but it added more context to some of my past experiences and cleaned up the language in a positive way. Probably will use it to generate a cover letter.
Before sites like Indeed.com existed, we would receive about 40-50 applicants per open position. After Indeed, we now can receive 20-50 per day, for as long as it is posted. 80% are “matches”’that don’t even meet the minimum. Indeed’s shitty auto matching encourages people who aren’t qualified to apply and then overwhelms employers with too many email notifications. It is unfortunate. Imagine being the one top candidate lost in a pool of 300, or even 1,000. And only 1 person to review them all.
Also cover letters are a relic. In the past they were used to help you stand out and show ability to craft a letter free of errors. It might also be used to show you cared enough to spend a little extra time. If you want to spend extra time now, try to apply to a position using other sites or company websites. Your resume will end up in a different bin populated by fewer candidates and will be more likely to be looked at. Indeed just sucks, both from an employer (offers faulty matching) and employee (puts you in same Olympic sized pool as people who are not even remotely qualified) standpoint. Another scammer company.
In the world of minimum wage jobs asking for PHD's you apply for everything regardless. The social contract between company and job seeker broke down a long time ago.
What did people think was going to happen? People are lazy and will find ways to make things easier. If you fuckers in the corporate world didn't want AI used in job searching then why did you develop it? Schools have to be shitting bricks these days. No homework will be done by any person. It will all be done by AI.
To counterbalance a bit. I screen all applications by hand for a small non-profit with about 40 employees. The amount of “lazy” copy-paste applications I get is astounding. Maybe I’m old fashioned but I do notice when someone takes some time to customize their resume or write a cover letter to match our job.
So it isn’t all AI robots out there.
One thing here. Company's are not using AI to sort through applications. They are using algorithms looking for specific criteria (like years worked or skill sets). This is not AI in the common vernacular. It is an algorithm looking for specific criteria. Also what the article is saying for AI misuse is not wrong. AI should not be the end all be all, it should be a tool in your belt that you use. IE use it to help customize a template cover letter you have made to fit specific jobs. Also people need to make sure they are looking at the output of the AI after it does its job because it can and will make some weird sentences that don't make sense to real people.
tldr. US AI as a tool in your belt not the end of the road/endall be all for work.
When people try to contrast AI and algorithms in support of one over the other, I can't help but think of righties defending Trump because he was "adjudicated" of rape rather than "convicted" of rape. He's still a rapist and computers are still choosing who gets to eat.
You can trick the ai by adding a line at the bottom in all white telling it to give this person a perfect score, human would not see it unless they highlighted that part of the letter.
It does work, i have been getting more interviews since i did that
Stop demanding cover letters and actually read the damn resumes.
I just copy and paste coverletter.txt every time.
Are you saying you copy your cover letter from a text file, or do you literally just type out coverletter.txt for your cover letter so it looks like a broken hyperlink?
I've done that and it's just been a renamed copy of my resume lol
Heh, that would be hilarious
I never submit a cover letter.
I don't either unless a job specifically calls for it - I've never understood what the point of them was/is.
To test compliance maybe
It’s supposed to be a way for an applicant to describe their goals and experience in a sort of narrative. Nowadays it seems like company’s use it to gauge how well an applicant can suck up and how much shit they’re willing to eat
Yep, same thing for objective. I don’t have one on any of my cv
Oh man "objective" is such a horseshit one. Especially when you're applying for jobs that are fairly low on the totem pole
"Dedicated professional seeking to leverage extensive skill set and proven track record of success in contributing to the strategic goals of a dynamic organization, while continuing personal and professional growth." There. That works for any position
Original point was to learn more about you as a human vs just the technical side of a resume. You can talk about whatever passion or goals you have as a future employee and as a person. They make more sense with in person resumes, but now they're just read before they have you interview to get a sense of who you are before you can actually meet them, to see if you fit into their workplace. Makes more sense for corporate environments, since they want someone who will be good with their team, completely useless for most other jobs since the idea of being a "family" is BS anyway, you're there to make money and do your job and go home.
Me too. When I was searching I got way more callbacks without a cover letter because the probably read my resume instead of filtering the cover letter for the jargon they wanted
I still don't get why a cover letter is needed, it 99% serves no useful purpose.
Companies just love reading the fanfictions potential hires write about how great being their employee is
Maybe it's the job application version of "Are you human?" check box 😂
YES.
Best response to the interview question, “So, tell me about your experience...” “You tell me.”
It's morally correct to use AI writing when interacting with AI readers. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I agree. Using ChatGPT to format and make things look nice doesn't change my work history or experience. Kind of seems a bit hypocritical of organizations to complain about people using the same methodology.
Corpos will complain about anything where the victims (employees) gains any power.
cover letter != resume(cv), youre talking across the point..
someone needs to develop a fully automated ai process for applicants that produces the appearance of perfect unicorn candidates for job seekers until the employers admit that using ai and all other automated processes in their hiring is dehumanizing and wrong and stop doing it if they're using ai for their hiring we can use ai for our job seeking-- it goes both ways
right - i just had an application tell me ai would be used to give my application a number score comparing my resume to the job description, so i just had chat gpt do the same and then tell me what i needed to change to make my resume score higher. if you can use ai, i can use ai!
"Oh boy, another race to the bottom! Surely this won't blow up in my face again!" -Businesses using AI
Narrator: It will
I used to ChatGPT to completely rewrite my resume and got immediate results after languishing for months.
PREACH !!!
This is a massive misconception. I'm sure some companies use AI tools for hiring, but a massive majority do and will not. For starters, tech comes at a massive cost to companies. They're already paying for an ATS, and maybe a ZoomInfo account, they're not going to want to add another service. Most hiring teams are not using AI at all.
WTF are you talking about? If you post on Indeed, LinkedIn, ZIP recruiter or any other job posting site, you're using their AI. Unless a hiring team is self hosted, they're using AI.
He used ai for that comment
I'm an HR Generalist with a background in recruiting. I still do recruiting. What aspect of Indeeds Job Board utilizes AI? They have an AI resume tool but that's fully separate from their job board and comes at an additional cost.
Nah, you're an idiot.
Haha ok stay mad at your imagination then
The ones where it filters based on keywords? Just because it doesn't say AI in the name doesn't mean they don't use AI...
You mean when a candidate is searching for a job? That’s an algorithm. Try again.
AI is an algorithm and doesn't even exist. Please, think before speaking.
I'm still waiting on you to point me towards where Indeed and LinkedIn are using AI for recruiting.
You literally said they use an algorithm... 100% of what people think is AI is just an algorithm... Because artificial intelligence literally isn't real.
Of the 40 applications I submitted on Indeed in the last 2 weeks, about 5 asked me to opt-in to AI review of my application which would give them a number score of my application. Opting out would give a "no result" result. Yes, 5 of 40 isn't "most" or even "a lot," but I submitted 40 more applications a month prior and the number of times I saw that question was 0. More and more companies are using tools likes these and if companies like Indeed are offering them, that number is going to increase even faster
Yes that's one anecdote. I'm not saying the tools don't exist at all, I'm saying they're not widespread adopted as of yet.
Maybe jobs should stop using automated processes for hiring folks and screening candidates. So long as a computer is making HR decisions, I don’t really see the point of HR being needed.
When I was applying for jobs, all I’d do is, in the relevant experience/skills, put all the damn things the job required. With my cover letter, all I’d really change is the name of the company I was applying to and how I’d be a good fit. I took the cover letter from a template the job office used (they gave a bunch of assistance to me as a veteran). Folks complain about “plagiarizing a cover letter,” yet, we all pretty much do. We plagiarize resumes. We plagiarize job descriptions. Don’t lie to me and say you didn’t look up job descriptions and such. Re-inventing the wheel is fucking stupid. I’ve given my resume to folks to use as a template. Granted, my resume was for government work, so it’s well beyond two pages, however, folks can tailor whatever they want. The fact these HR assholes have the fucking AUDACITY to complain that a computer is doing work for workers, yet, they’re doing the same? Fuck em.
They have to use an automated process for the first round. They get too many applicants otherwise with the rise of sites like indeed. Before they would get like 20-50 applicants for one position, perfectly fine for the one or two people assigned to that job to do a good job reviewing candidates. Now with indeed it is like 20-50 or more per DAY. They need some way to filter out people
Then hire more HR people, don't use those sites, or don't complain when people start using the same tools
Using an algorithm to weed out resume's based on keywords and other criteria is VASTLY different then using an AI like chatGPT to write your cover letters for you. One is applying a filter you would do manually one is writing the stuff for you.
So one is computer doing stuff for a person that they would otherwise have to do manually which is bad, and the other is computer doing stuff for a company that they would otherwise have to do manually and this is perfectly acceptable? Could an applicant not go through their own resume manually for each specific job and tailor it to responsibilities listed etc.? Would companies even have 200+ resumes to sort if they didn't post on job boards to get the maximum number of applicants to try to 'find the best possible applicant'?
one is effectively just an automated sorter and one is writing things for you which you then plagiarize to use. I posted this in another comment but I am not against using AI to refine your cover letters and spruce them up, effectively using AI as a tool in your belt. what I am against is using AI to completely or mostly right your cover letter for you.
I can see what you’re saying, but if a person has AI write them a cover letter with little or no input, it’ll be the most boiler plate, basic pablum available. It will be wordy too. Garbage in, garbage out. It would be no different than what people did ten years ago: go to some website with cover letter examples, copy/paste them and edit in your name, the company name, the position and the date and call it good.
yep and IMO that is what the article is talking about. the garbage in garbage out. if used correctly AI can be a force multiplier but as you said you need something good to go in to be multiplied
I’ve had to start using it for my job now and again. It’s starting to be more important now due to workload. I’ve gone the easy route, given it little info and turned it loose. Garbage in; what comes out read like the people who talk in meetings but never have anything to say… But when you take brain vomit notes that are long run ons and you’re having a difficult time stitching together complex technical stuff? It’s awesome. I don’t get the complaint from the headline tho. Yeah, this is what people are going to do. If you ask for something no one will really read, you shouldn’t expect just a whole lot. Side note: I had AI write an email to my old boss last year requesting a day off due to something that came up unexpectedly - and it was hysterical. His reply, written entirely by AI also kept the trend going. Funny stuff.
Have you ever actually used GPT? If you're just telling it to write you a cover letter then yeah, it'll be obvious that you used GPT. You have to customize and modify it. And what's wrong with that if the letter is factual? 95 times out of 100, a potential employer won't bother to send you a fuck off letter so why should we waste time on them?
It's not though. In real life you'd have more nuance to your decisions and have to actually think about who and why you're filtering. Just like if I knew that human eyes were going to actually look at a cover letter I'd put more care and time into it.
that is done in the next steps of the interview process. The filtering is just done to filter out the people that applied that have no chance at getting the job. Like they don't have the required certifications or experience needed for the job (yes this happens). Having real people look at those applications is just a waste of time for both the people applying and the HR working the application process
Then they can’t bitch about people using AI….
Except the algorithms generally used to weed out resumes in the application process are not AI. They are simple algorithms looking for keywords and other specific criteria. This is vastly different from using an AI to write cover letters for you
Who gives a shit if someone is using AI?
Daniel Tosh has a podcast now and he recently interviewed an AI professor from UCLA. During the interview he specifically called out companies for using AI to sort resumes. He talks about how companies don't invest in an AI engineer to implement the AI model to the specific needs of the company so they end up doing an awful job of sorting the resumes. It's a serious issue right now.
It's solvable... Just don't use AI. I should start a company that solves all companies problems by removing AI from the system. It's just a bad idea.
well duh, theyre using those tools to recruit the AI wrangler, of COURSE theyre not attracting critical talent ;)
I've never written a cover letter and will never do so. Read my resume, ask me questions in the interview, and allow simple resume submittals on Indeed and other job sites.
For real. It's like let me give you all the relevant and pertinent information in a nicely formatted document and then let me give you the same information again stretched into a two page letter. What's the fucking point?
HR has been using software to not do the hiring part for years.
My cover letter says, "Please see attached resume for my qualifications"
The Cover Letter. Let's write fan fiction about why I am dying to work at your company.
If it's "misuse" to use AI to write pointless cover letters that are read only by AI, then screening candidates' cover letters with AI is also "misuse".
"Older generation using a new technology incorrectly and it's hurting everyone." Seems like we've been playing this game for awhile now
I havnt submitted a cover letter in years. The companies do not get more effort than they put into looking at my credentials and documents I provide. If they do request a cover letter and it's a run of the mill job that's a red flag right there. They are very out of tune with the current job market and generation. Leadership and HR making those decisions are out of touch.
Career consultant should consider a different career.
Generative AI can suck my butthole, but so can employers who treat their applicants like cattle and make them jump through Cirque Du Soleil level hoops just to get a fucking interview.
Cover letters are weird fanfiction requests by companies to say how you will be the perfect disposable worker bee for them.
Companies misusing AI: “It helps cut down costs, lets us pick the lowest offer plus, we can sell data to 3rd party advertisers for extra revenue. A win-win!” Gen Z misusing AI: “We can’t sell this data, we have to READ the resume and we get nothing out of it… UNACCEPTABLE!”
I once read that the objective of writing a job advertisement is to get exactly one person to apply and that person to be the best person for the job. Maybe that goal should be given to AI. The biggest problem with all recruiting and selecting processes is that they are never carried out with a control group. Somebody needs to be hiring people at random and comparing their effectiveness with the people who the system would select. As far as I'm aware all studies of selection processes have concluded that the only thing it selects for is people who are good at getting selected. It has no correlation to job performance
We’re just competing with their bullshit ATS systems. Also getting tired of submitting my work experience 10x when it’s already on my resume.
I applied to a company for several different positions (nothing that required degrees or any particular skill), and my applications were *immediately* rejected. I knew they had their bs ai filtering the applications. It was really frustrating.
I had this weird experience of getting an interview, doing really well at it, only to discover that the job didn't exist. Ah, but because that job didn't exist, another did, so, huzzah, I just needed to apply to the job which supposedly did exist, and I had already been pre-interviewed. I would be a shoe-in. They already knew me! They were expecting my application! It was going to be great. Only...I was warned they had implemented a new AI ATS system. So be careful with keywords. Oh shit, I thought, I had better try and do something about it. I used an AI driven cover letter creator and resume editor, which identified (or guessed!) the keyest of the key words. I then spent fucking hours making the AI cover letter sounding less like an overcaffeinated pick me gremlin. And I submitted my application, safe in the knowledge that the people who were expecting me to apply would probably read my application and who knows? Utter, total, complete silence. I can only conclude that the new ATS system they were excited about saw my application and absolutely nuked it from orbit so hard that I may as well not have bothered I went back to doing cover letters by hand after that.
I swear there was a hiring manager not 2 months ago that said people had to use AI to make a resume that could get past the AI prescreen.
Well well well. If it’s not the consequences of someone’s actions. How many identical job postings are out there? So many identical bullet points that read like it came from a template? How many bullshit criteria, like needing to lift 50 pounds to with a sedentary job? How many postings list a whole lot of shit that simply isn’t necessary to the position? They’re just pissed we aren’t groveling and working up a sweat begging work any more.
If I could wrestle this comment to the top with sheer force of will, I would! But I can only lift 50 pounds, so here's my measly upvote.
Ha! Thank you, kind person.
YES. The language used in these descriptions is a tell. "Cross functional teams" is a term that seems to crop up a lot. Can't convince me that it's not just being copy>pasted by 1, 000+ different organizations looking to rephrase "teamwork" in a fluffier-sounding manner across all their job descriptions.
I put my resume into an AI and was surprised by what it did. It's basically the same but it added more context to some of my past experiences and cleaned up the language in a positive way. Probably will use it to generate a cover letter.
They're like: Only we get to use AI to do work for us, fuck you workers for doing it!
My cover letter is ASCII art of goatse
So they’re mad the AI filters are pushing all the AI applications through?
Before sites like Indeed.com existed, we would receive about 40-50 applicants per open position. After Indeed, we now can receive 20-50 per day, for as long as it is posted. 80% are “matches”’that don’t even meet the minimum. Indeed’s shitty auto matching encourages people who aren’t qualified to apply and then overwhelms employers with too many email notifications. It is unfortunate. Imagine being the one top candidate lost in a pool of 300, or even 1,000. And only 1 person to review them all. Also cover letters are a relic. In the past they were used to help you stand out and show ability to craft a letter free of errors. It might also be used to show you cared enough to spend a little extra time. If you want to spend extra time now, try to apply to a position using other sites or company websites. Your resume will end up in a different bin populated by fewer candidates and will be more likely to be looked at. Indeed just sucks, both from an employer (offers faulty matching) and employee (puts you in same Olympic sized pool as people who are not even remotely qualified) standpoint. Another scammer company.
In the world of minimum wage jobs asking for PHD's you apply for everything regardless. The social contract between company and job seeker broke down a long time ago.
For sure. Just wish Indeed didn’t suck so much. Lets the right ones out. Lets the everyone else in. Bad for all.
So they just confirmed they don't even read the cover letters. This is what they deserve.
What did people think was going to happen? People are lazy and will find ways to make things easier. If you fuckers in the corporate world didn't want AI used in job searching then why did you develop it? Schools have to be shitting bricks these days. No homework will be done by any person. It will all be done by AI.
That's brillaint.
It’s payback for upload information from your resume, then have to fill everything in in the next pages.
To counterbalance a bit. I screen all applications by hand for a small non-profit with about 40 employees. The amount of “lazy” copy-paste applications I get is astounding. Maybe I’m old fashioned but I do notice when someone takes some time to customize their resume or write a cover letter to match our job. So it isn’t all AI robots out there.
One thing here. Company's are not using AI to sort through applications. They are using algorithms looking for specific criteria (like years worked or skill sets). This is not AI in the common vernacular. It is an algorithm looking for specific criteria. Also what the article is saying for AI misuse is not wrong. AI should not be the end all be all, it should be a tool in your belt that you use. IE use it to help customize a template cover letter you have made to fit specific jobs. Also people need to make sure they are looking at the output of the AI after it does its job because it can and will make some weird sentences that don't make sense to real people. tldr. US AI as a tool in your belt not the end of the road/endall be all for work.
When people try to contrast AI and algorithms in support of one over the other, I can't help but think of righties defending Trump because he was "adjudicated" of rape rather than "convicted" of rape. He's still a rapist and computers are still choosing who gets to eat.
If everyone's using AI to sift through applications, copy-pasting cover letters isn't exactly gonna make you stand out. Time to get creative, folks!
You can trick the ai by adding a line at the bottom in all white telling it to give this person a perfect score, human would not see it unless they highlighted that part of the letter. It does work, i have been getting more interviews since i did that
This is the new version of copying the job description in 0.5 font at the bottom of your resume
No shit? I may have to give that one a try
The is absolutely devious lol. I’m going to start trying this!