I've always said less is more. "I will be unable to work on Friday. Best regards, PatientPrafait" is all you really need to say.
As someone who has struggled with guilt regarding leaving jobs as well - consider that if you were hospitalized- or some other incident occurred, they would have to find a solution that didn't involve you. If they could do it in that scenario, they can do it now.
100% agree with this. You don't need to explain or reason why you're leaving. You just need to tell them you're leaving. They chose to understaff the system and not pay attention to what was going on, You can't help your boss if your Boss or the company if they don't plan for anything disruptive. It's their job to actually plan for shortages, however they plannedvthe shortage from the very beginning and when people start leaving....
If you want to talk to your co-workers, talk to The ones that you do like, And tell them. However, as stated before, less is more.
Yep. Not OP’s fault that 2 other managers quit and one is on leave. I’ve been annoyed at the fact that people gave no notice, but they were in the same boat finished school and the other jobs refused to let them have 2 weeks. That’s not the employees fault. 🤷🏼♀️ we ran short those days and us managers picked up the slack. I still agreed for both to be references for them in the future. People don’t always have a choice for 2 weeks. Guilting them into shifts after their notice is dumb.
Also ask yourself how many weeks of work they'd give you if business took a nosedive and you weren't actually needed during your shifts - would they keep you on with almost nothing to do because it would be the fair thing to do? Of course they wouldn't. They'd give you either no notice or the minimum required by your contract.
> I’ve just resigned from my casual management hospitality job as I have accepted a teaching job
Congratulations! Thats a huge opportunity.
> I know short notice isn’t ideal but they were made aware that my timeline for getting qualified and leaving was unclear and unpredictable.
Your client no longer meets your needs so you fired them, you have a new client now and need to prepare for that important engagement. Its not ideal, but you need to take steps to go forward and are unable to fulfill the schedule as asked.
> my boss can’t cover it because he is going away with his family for the day.
Your boss doesn't have enough staff to cover him going away and someone calling in sick. That is poor planning on the business's part and as you are no longer working there, it is not your responsibility. The easiest option for them is to try to apply social pressure to get extra work from you, that is as "not ideal" as you giving quick notice and I'm not surprised they are trying to apply that pressure. The next step would be to get someone else to cover the shift. If you manager's vacation is ruined by one person not being able to work as scheduled, its something the manager needs to think on.
I'd move on. You need to focus on the future, your old job is the past.
I would reply with something like this: "As I stated in my notice of resignation, my last day was / will be *(date)*; due to the requirements of my new employment, I am unfortunately to work the requested shift this Friday."
The "unfortunately" is just throwing them a bone, really.
That's *if* your ex-boss has been a decent employer, and if you wish to maintain a cordial relationship there. If your ex-boss was an ass to you and your employment there sucked, then I just wouldn't reply at all.
In any case, don't feel guilty -- you have to do what's right for you, and besides, you informed them ahead of time that your timeline for leaving was unpredictable, so they shouldn't have been too caught out by it. It's unfortunate that other people have quit or taken off during the same time, but it's *his* job to deal with that, not yours -- that's why he's the manager, and presumably gets paid more than you do. Since two people left, he should have been diligently looking for new people to hire.
Please do not reply to them. You have notified them of your obligations and will now be fulfilling said obligation. If they persist just forward everything to HR. Yes, you're leaving but you don't have to take the continued harassment.
not really sure what part of The response above is unclear. lol. You no longer work for them. Move on. As a Mgr he can figure it out. Cancel his family plans. whatever it is, it's no longer your concern.
If giving notice wasn’t specified when you joined then you did nothing wrong. You don’t need to hide like you did so respond respectfully. Let them know you will not be available as you’ve already quit, thank them for the opportunity and move on.
Do you always consider backtracking on your statements or only when you're being manipulated and guilted? Because that's what your boss was trying to do
Nah be straight up with them. Don’t feel guilty. You got a different job, they will survive. Also if one person not working hurts the team that much, sounds like they’re understaffed and that would be on the manager. Congrats on the job dawg
Yeah, because you should just burn every bridge that doesn't bring immediate benefits. I'm pretty sure Carnegie had that in his book. Now, when a prospective employer calls for a reference, they'll tell them how awesome you are for cutting out with little notice and ignoring further correspondence.
That “two week” notice BS is crap, a curtesy thing that’s a one way street. They want us to give them a two week notice but have no problem with immediate termination if they want, sometimes with no reason given.
So walk away with your head held high and move on with your new job. Congratulations for that, BTW.
That depends. In Australia, notice periods cut two ways and grow longer with seniority - for example, I have to give 4 weeks to quit (and the company must give 5 weeks to terminate me).
I can always quit on the spot, but I lose some benefits related to my contract, and it’s not really worth it.
OP is a casual. There are no benefits to lose, no notice period to give or receive, and no binding agreements of any sort. OP can quit yesterday.
In the US this is true, I'm not sure about Australia. I know in the Netherlands it is often contractually obligated to give a months notice, but that is also a two way street, and they cannot fire you at will
Don’t feel guilt. You owe corporations nothing. If they went bust, you’d feel disappointed at being let go without notice; and they would do nothing about it
Edit: If they were aware of the unpredictability, you could reply with a polite version of c’est La vie, and as this is hospitality that industry can be volatile anyways. Boss is just annoyed they have one less means to make money with one less server.
Don't respond. You informed him already. They wouldnt skip a beat terminating you without any notice so don't fall for the guilt trip. Companies are not your family nor friends.
You’re a casual, mate. At any point in time, you can decide that you WERE a casual, and that’s the end of it.
If they wanted someone reliable, they would’ve put you on a contract.
Source: Australian.
Don't block him just yet, though, even though you may get spammed, because there could conceivably be necessary information, such as benefits or other legal communications.
Don't block him just yet, though, even though you may get spammed, because there could conceivably be necessary information, such as benefits or other legal communications.
You're a casual employee, so you don't have to give notice and neither do they.
That's the deal, it cuts both ways, if they wanted shift security they could have made you part time or full time.
They don't get to make you casual, they bitch in the one situation it doesn't work out for them.
If the boss man decided to let you go how much of a heads up would he give you? Would he give you two weeks notice or would your shit be in a box within an hour?
IMO, your boss knew that you were quitting soon. He knew other people had quit already. Basically, he rolled the dice, hoping that he could take the day off with his family. This is on him, not on you at all. Don't feel guilty.
Hi! Thanks for reaching out. I provided the notice required for my position. If a casual employee leaving truly creates an emergency for the business, I would be happy to provide consulting services at my consulting rate.
As an educator, I feel that we could cover the differences between casual and contract, business resource planning and employee engagement/ retention in 4 hours. Please do let me know if you are interested in retaining my services. Regards, OP
How do you respond in the email?
Two choices:
1 - "Fuck off you wanker."
2 - "While I appreciate this might not be the best timing for the business, or you, this is an opportunity to work in my chosen field, and I will be teaching (children/teens/young adults) and need to focus on that as soon as possible. We're talking about the future citizens of Australia, and I'm sure you'll agree, the potential benefit to society as a whole in making sure our youth are properly educated is significantly higher than any of my efforts in hospitality.
I'm sure you'll agree, the future of our society is a higher priority than today's inconvenience, and keep in mind, while it may be a minor inconvenience for you, I'm having to rearrange my entire life now on very short notice and I'd appreciate any support you could provide for my sacrifice."
Oops, almost forgot a third option... Email them this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEwlW5sHQ4Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEwlW5sHQ4Q)
So he’s disappointed that you won’t compromise your new job for your old job that he can’t cover because he’s taking vacation. Am I getting that right? You’re supposed to feel bad that you’re unwilling to compromise your new job for his vacation/trip?
You owe yourself and your career first. Yes, it's unfortunate it happened this way and no doubt you would have given adequate notice if any other way. But there isn't, that's fact. Was torn on responding or ignoring until the *"you let the team down part".* If someone on the team is hospitalized for a week, did they let the team down too? If boss has to fire someone abruptly did they let the team down by creating that hole? It's their job to deal with personnel upheavals and be professional about it. It's their problem IOW.
Don't feel guilty over that. You don't owe them or "the team" any kind of stability. It's up to the company to staff their teams appropriately and they deliberately chose to be cheapskates and understaff instead. Let them live with the consequences of their business decisions.
Remember: you're literally granted zero job security and can be fired arbitrarily at any moment.
If you'd given two weeks notice, it's quite likely you'd have been fired within the next two days. I've seen it time and again. My mother was a collection manager, and whenever one of her underlings gave notice, she loudly fired them, and took great delight in calling other employers and undermining the person she'd just fired.
>How do I respond to the email? I feel so guilty
You don't.
>Apparently my boss can’t cover it because he is going away with his family for the day.
This is him trying to guilt you.
I’d respond with a reverse uno. The company is already short three other managers. sounds like he should be more focused on supporting the remaining team members instead of taking a day off
Their staffing issues are their own fault. Guilting someone for putting themselves over someone else's business is nasty and immature. It warrants zero response.
This is as clear as I can make it....if they wanted to fire you, they would just fire you. You would have zero notice. And you would be the one scrambling. It seems these people don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot, ya know?
Mate, your casual if they wanted a notice period it would be found on a permanent full-time contract since they didn't feel you were so nessisary to give you that they can get stuffed.
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed in the no notice firing as well. It’s customary to give an employee two weeks before you fire them. Oh wait that’s not the case? Is there some sort of double standard? That’s interesting because I’m but a small part of that business, but that’s usually my entire income. That would be like if I took all the customers away from a company all at once. But this sure doesn’t seem fair nor equitable at all.
There is no need to respond. You advised what your plans were, they knew it would be short notice, they lost another manager already plus careers leave ( whatever the hell that is) so a fire should have been lit under someones ass. It wasn’t and that’s a him problem not a you problem.
If you must reply send this:
I’m sorry for the short notice. My teaching position I informed you I’d be going for at my hire date starts in a week, and I need to prepare for it now.
Sounds like a heaping helping of 'not your problem'.
they're a manager above your vacated managerial position.
fixing stuff like this is why they gets paid the big bucks.
time for them to step up and earn that paycheck.
I wound not expect a different reply to be honest. The boss will have some issues and have to ask some favors to cover for you and that email helps build his narrative. On the other hand, you won’t be there anymore, so the risk of you making him look bad with evidence that you had mentioned your unpredictable situation is very low. It’s a win win for him.
Just don’t feed to the fire, respond that while you enjoyed working there and appreciate the opportunity, you won’t be able to extend your work period with them. Best of luck, x.
Don’t give any reasons and don’t ever drop the formality no matter how low the reply could be. You don’t need to answer after this reply.
Move on.
Do NOT feel guilty for doing what is right by you first. Do you think they'd feel any guilt if they had to let you go without notice. They would not!
Boss isn't disappointed, (Very condescending btw) he's mad that he'll have to work
Don’t respond. It’s literally not your problem. You have *already resigned* and no longer work there. It’s not negotiable.
Congratulations on your teaching job!
First, they had the ability, but not the foresight, to include a notice period in your contract. So they’ve indicated the minimum notice is zero.
Second, if they have not staffed and cross-trained a backup, that was a business decision. They accepted the risk; the idea that you should be guilty for their choice is nonsense.
I'm sure you would have given better noti e if you had time but you don't. Remember you don't owe your workplace anything. If they fired you, what notice would they have given?
Looks like you already got this handled, so congrats on graduating and on your new job. Thank you for choosing to teach. I hope you enjoy it and that you're treated well.
Short notice isn't great, we all get it.
But, as a casual you are under no obligation to give notice. Especially if he was kind of aware you were going for a teaching degree to be your future career. If stuff was going south for his business he wouldn't hesitate to drop you in a heart beat with no notice as that's his right to do so.
Do you get any of the larger financial benefits of owning the company or business? No. He put the risk in to reap the rewards of which he clearly gets.
So basically, Too bad so sad, he might have to send his family on the trip and actually come and run his business until such time as he can get additional help. This is exactly what it is to be a business owner, sometimes you have to work at the ground level also.
If he didn't want this outcome, don't put on casuals in a leadership position.
You didn't leave them short, they understaffed to save money. This is the consequence of their actions. Plus, it sounds like they didn't listen to you. That's doubly on them. Don't take the bait, sincerely wish them the best and move on.
Before you listen to the people telling you to fuck them, consider that these people are a future reference and the more industry connections you can maintain in your field the better.
If you are casual in Australia. You don’t have to give notice. I believe it is one hour before your casual shift starts.
Good Luck, and don’t feel guilty.
would they have given you notice that they will fire you in 2 weeks? if they would than perhaps work this last friday for them. if as you say they knew this was going to happen sooner or later then its on them move on and ignore their whining
Don't feel guilty. They wouldn't if they laid you off because of costs. It's an effed up world and it's time that employees started treating employers the way they treat us!
You will obviously get a lot of responses on this sub along the lines of “fuck em, stick it to the man”, but really just let your personal relationship with your manager and team be the judge here. Covering one last shift isnt kneeling down to your corporate masters, its just letting a person you like enjoy a day with their family 😂
You're overthinking this.
If you do respond, tell them you were given a week's time to prepare a lesson plan. If your boss would like, tell him/her to prepare the plan for you and you'll work 3 more days and expect to get paid for the whole week.
This.
As any trainer/educator knows, it's a 3:1 ratio of planning to delivery. 3hrs prep/planning to 1hr delivery. The rest of OP's week will be taken up with lesson planning
Don’t respond. You don’t work for them anymore. Move on.
They’ve asked me if I can’t still work, do I still just not reply?
I've always said less is more. "I will be unable to work on Friday. Best regards, PatientPrafait" is all you really need to say. As someone who has struggled with guilt regarding leaving jobs as well - consider that if you were hospitalized- or some other incident occurred, they would have to find a solution that didn't involve you. If they could do it in that scenario, they can do it now.
100% agree with this. You don't need to explain or reason why you're leaving. You just need to tell them you're leaving. They chose to understaff the system and not pay attention to what was going on, You can't help your boss if your Boss or the company if they don't plan for anything disruptive. It's their job to actually plan for shortages, however they plannedvthe shortage from the very beginning and when people start leaving.... If you want to talk to your co-workers, talk to The ones that you do like, And tell them. However, as stated before, less is more.
Yep. Not OP’s fault that 2 other managers quit and one is on leave. I’ve been annoyed at the fact that people gave no notice, but they were in the same boat finished school and the other jobs refused to let them have 2 weeks. That’s not the employees fault. 🤷🏼♀️ we ran short those days and us managers picked up the slack. I still agreed for both to be references for them in the future. People don’t always have a choice for 2 weeks. Guilting them into shifts after their notice is dumb.
Also ask yourself how many weeks of work they'd give you if business took a nosedive and you weren't actually needed during your shifts - would they keep you on with almost nothing to do because it would be the fair thing to do? Of course they wouldn't. They'd give you either no notice or the minimum required by your contract.
Spot on.
I'm sorry to do this, but you spelled OP's name wrong. If I required to be downvoted, so be it.
> I’ve just resigned from my casual management hospitality job as I have accepted a teaching job Congratulations! Thats a huge opportunity. > I know short notice isn’t ideal but they were made aware that my timeline for getting qualified and leaving was unclear and unpredictable. Your client no longer meets your needs so you fired them, you have a new client now and need to prepare for that important engagement. Its not ideal, but you need to take steps to go forward and are unable to fulfill the schedule as asked. > my boss can’t cover it because he is going away with his family for the day. Your boss doesn't have enough staff to cover him going away and someone calling in sick. That is poor planning on the business's part and as you are no longer working there, it is not your responsibility. The easiest option for them is to try to apply social pressure to get extra work from you, that is as "not ideal" as you giving quick notice and I'm not surprised they are trying to apply that pressure. The next step would be to get someone else to cover the shift. If you manager's vacation is ruined by one person not being able to work as scheduled, its something the manager needs to think on. I'd move on. You need to focus on the future, your old job is the past.
You can remind them that ensuring proper staffing is a management responsibility and apparently a management failure.
Just say you're unable to without elaborating on the reasons.
I would reply with something like this: "As I stated in my notice of resignation, my last day was / will be *(date)*; due to the requirements of my new employment, I am unfortunately to work the requested shift this Friday." The "unfortunately" is just throwing them a bone, really. That's *if* your ex-boss has been a decent employer, and if you wish to maintain a cordial relationship there. If your ex-boss was an ass to you and your employment there sucked, then I just wouldn't reply at all. In any case, don't feel guilty -- you have to do what's right for you, and besides, you informed them ahead of time that your timeline for leaving was unpredictable, so they shouldn't have been too caught out by it. It's unfortunate that other people have quit or taken off during the same time, but it's *his* job to deal with that, not yours -- that's why he's the manager, and presumably gets paid more than you do. Since two people left, he should have been diligently looking for new people to hire.
Give them your consulting rate. If they want you work it it will be at your new pay rate. Not theirs.
No, tell them "as prior email stats, I have resigned my position. I wish you luck in your future endeavors."
Please do not reply to them. You have notified them of your obligations and will now be fulfilling said obligation. If they persist just forward everything to HR. Yes, you're leaving but you don't have to take the continued harassment.
You have already resigned.
Effective immediately, right? Not effective from Friday. Ignore.
not really sure what part of The response above is unclear. lol. You no longer work for them. Move on. As a Mgr he can figure it out. Cancel his family plans. whatever it is, it's no longer your concern.
If giving notice wasn’t specified when you joined then you did nothing wrong. You don’t need to hide like you did so respond respectfully. Let them know you will not be available as you’ve already quit, thank them for the opportunity and move on.
Do you always consider backtracking on your statements or only when you're being manipulated and guilted? Because that's what your boss was trying to do
"NO" is a compleat sentence
Nah be straight up with them. Don’t feel guilty. You got a different job, they will survive. Also if one person not working hurts the team that much, sounds like they’re understaffed and that would be on the manager. Congrats on the job dawg
Ghosting exists for this exact scenario.
This is the way
Yeah, because you should just burn every bridge that doesn't bring immediate benefits. I'm pretty sure Carnegie had that in his book. Now, when a prospective employer calls for a reference, they'll tell them how awesome you are for cutting out with little notice and ignoring further correspondence.
That “two week” notice BS is crap, a curtesy thing that’s a one way street. They want us to give them a two week notice but have no problem with immediate termination if they want, sometimes with no reason given. So walk away with your head held high and move on with your new job. Congratulations for that, BTW.
That depends. In Australia, notice periods cut two ways and grow longer with seniority - for example, I have to give 4 weeks to quit (and the company must give 5 weeks to terminate me). I can always quit on the spot, but I lose some benefits related to my contract, and it’s not really worth it. OP is a casual. There are no benefits to lose, no notice period to give or receive, and no binding agreements of any sort. OP can quit yesterday.
Thank you!
Love this. OP, quit yesterday 🤙🏽
In the US this is true, I'm not sure about Australia. I know in the Netherlands it is often contractually obligated to give a months notice, but that is also a two way street, and they cannot fire you at will
Man, the US employment rules sucketh
Don’t feel guilt. You owe corporations nothing. If they went bust, you’d feel disappointed at being let go without notice; and they would do nothing about it Edit: If they were aware of the unpredictability, you could reply with a polite version of c’est La vie, and as this is hospitality that industry can be volatile anyways. Boss is just annoyed they have one less means to make money with one less server.
Good point. This is a major aus corporation too that is notorious for this shit
If two other people quit in the same week, it probably isn't the best place to work and your boss isn't the greatest person.
Don't respond. You informed him already. They wouldnt skip a beat terminating you without any notice so don't fall for the guilt trip. Companies are not your family nor friends.
You’re a casual, mate. At any point in time, you can decide that you WERE a casual, and that’s the end of it. If they wanted someone reliable, they would’ve put you on a contract. Source: Australian.
You resigned you don’t have to respond at all. Not your problem any more
You don’t. Delete it and block him. It’s not your problem to fix anymore.
Don't block him just yet, though, even though you may get spammed, because there could conceivably be necessary information, such as benefits or other legal communications.
Don't block him just yet, though, even though you may get spammed, because there could conceivably be necessary information, such as benefits or other legal communications.
You’re casual it’s Australia… wave goodbye as you drive away.
You're a casual employee, so you don't have to give notice and neither do they. That's the deal, it cuts both ways, if they wanted shift security they could have made you part time or full time. They don't get to make you casual, they bitch in the one situation it doesn't work out for them.
If the boss man decided to let you go how much of a heads up would he give you? Would he give you two weeks notice or would your shit be in a box within an hour?
IMO, your boss knew that you were quitting soon. He knew other people had quit already. Basically, he rolled the dice, hoping that he could take the day off with his family. This is on him, not on you at all. Don't feel guilty.
Never ever reply, lack of planning on his part doesn’t not constitute an emergency on yours!
Hi! Thanks for reaching out. I provided the notice required for my position. If a casual employee leaving truly creates an emergency for the business, I would be happy to provide consulting services at my consulting rate. As an educator, I feel that we could cover the differences between casual and contract, business resource planning and employee engagement/ retention in 4 hours. Please do let me know if you are interested in retaining my services. Regards, OP
Your response: "That sounds like a manager's problem to solve, not a former employee's."
Would they give you notice if they fired you or made you redundant? Do you have a contract that states you have to give notice?
Nope, he’s a casual. No notices, no consistency, no obligation, nothing. Just extra pay in lieu of benefits if and when shifts are offered.
The devil is in the detail. And the detail here is “casual position” Tell him to gf himself as he would cut your shifts as it suited him
Unfortunately i cant work for you anymore, but you are a great person and a great boss, so i have no doubt you will figure it out.
How do you respond in the email? Two choices: 1 - "Fuck off you wanker." 2 - "While I appreciate this might not be the best timing for the business, or you, this is an opportunity to work in my chosen field, and I will be teaching (children/teens/young adults) and need to focus on that as soon as possible. We're talking about the future citizens of Australia, and I'm sure you'll agree, the potential benefit to society as a whole in making sure our youth are properly educated is significantly higher than any of my efforts in hospitality. I'm sure you'll agree, the future of our society is a higher priority than today's inconvenience, and keep in mind, while it may be a minor inconvenience for you, I'm having to rearrange my entire life now on very short notice and I'd appreciate any support you could provide for my sacrifice." Oops, almost forgot a third option... Email them this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEwlW5sHQ4Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEwlW5sHQ4Q)
This made me giggle
No reason to respond and don't feel bad by the little guilt trip he puts on you. Congrats on moving on.
Oh well.
So he’s disappointed that you won’t compromise your new job for your old job that he can’t cover because he’s taking vacation. Am I getting that right? You’re supposed to feel bad that you’re unwilling to compromise your new job for his vacation/trip?
“Team player” - if a company uses that word it’s a big fat red flag
Being the boss ya gotta fill in. Just say you wouldn't give notice either if ya dropped dead.
With casual employment notice periods are not necessary. It is a bit different for full and part time positions. Go guilt free on to your next job.
You owe yourself and your career first. Yes, it's unfortunate it happened this way and no doubt you would have given adequate notice if any other way. But there isn't, that's fact. Was torn on responding or ignoring until the *"you let the team down part".* If someone on the team is hospitalized for a week, did they let the team down too? If boss has to fire someone abruptly did they let the team down by creating that hole? It's their job to deal with personnel upheavals and be professional about it. It's their problem IOW.
Don't feel guilty. If they didn't like you. You would be fired on the spot.
Don't feel guilty over that. You don't owe them or "the team" any kind of stability. It's up to the company to staff their teams appropriately and they deliberately chose to be cheapskates and understaff instead. Let them live with the consequences of their business decisions. Remember: you're literally granted zero job security and can be fired arbitrarily at any moment.
If you'd given two weeks notice, it's quite likely you'd have been fired within the next two days. I've seen it time and again. My mother was a collection manager, and whenever one of her underlings gave notice, she loudly fired them, and took great delight in calling other employers and undermining the person she'd just fired.
Your mom sound like a horrible manager and a terrible person
>How do I respond to the email? I feel so guilty You don't. >Apparently my boss can’t cover it because he is going away with his family for the day. This is him trying to guilt you.
You were casual. Nothing more to be said.
I’d respond with a reverse uno. The company is already short three other managers. sounds like he should be more focused on supporting the remaining team members instead of taking a day off
Their staffing issues are their own fault. Guilting someone for putting themselves over someone else's business is nasty and immature. It warrants zero response.
How come his want to be with his family for the day is more important than your want to prepare for your new career? It’s not. Do your thing.
Remind him that "one week can turn into one hour very quickly"
“Thoughts and prayers”
This is as clear as I can make it....if they wanted to fire you, they would just fire you. You would have zero notice. And you would be the one scrambling. It seems these people don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot, ya know?
Mate, your casual if they wanted a notice period it would be found on a permanent full-time contract since they didn't feel you were so nessisary to give you that they can get stuffed.
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed in the no notice firing as well. It’s customary to give an employee two weeks before you fire them. Oh wait that’s not the case? Is there some sort of double standard? That’s interesting because I’m but a small part of that business, but that’s usually my entire income. That would be like if I took all the customers away from a company all at once. But this sure doesn’t seem fair nor equitable at all.
"I know this puts you under stress and I am sorry but I am bound to my career and therefore have to put myself first here. Wish you all the best."
Your response: all this sounds like "you" problems. Best of luck, pal.
Sorry I'm not correcting you, but... EX-boss. I know you're smiling now 8).
Two words: “Oh well”.
I get feeling guilty, but do you own or part own the company? You're a casual, the owner knows this. They're responsible and it's on them.
Your reply should be... "Lol. Lmao."
New phone, who dis?
As a manager who gets your email every day, it's not your problem.
Ask him...Do they give short notice when they fire someone?
*”I am unable to work Friday and I am confident you can more than adequately cover my shift.”* Then block.
There is no need to respond. You advised what your plans were, they knew it would be short notice, they lost another manager already plus careers leave ( whatever the hell that is) so a fire should have been lit under someones ass. It wasn’t and that’s a him problem not a you problem. If you must reply send this: I’m sorry for the short notice. My teaching position I informed you I’d be going for at my hire date starts in a week, and I need to prepare for it now.
Sounds like a heaping helping of 'not your problem'. they're a manager above your vacated managerial position. fixing stuff like this is why they gets paid the big bucks. time for them to step up and earn that paycheck.
I wound not expect a different reply to be honest. The boss will have some issues and have to ask some favors to cover for you and that email helps build his narrative. On the other hand, you won’t be there anymore, so the risk of you making him look bad with evidence that you had mentioned your unpredictable situation is very low. It’s a win win for him. Just don’t feed to the fire, respond that while you enjoyed working there and appreciate the opportunity, you won’t be able to extend your work period with them. Best of luck, x. Don’t give any reasons and don’t ever drop the formality no matter how low the reply could be. You don’t need to answer after this reply. Move on.
Unless there is a specific notice clause in your contract (i.e. 2 weeks notice for 2 years service) then you have no obligation to them.
Offer to take his family out for the day so he can cover the shift.
“Looks like you get to experience first hand why it’s important to keep happy employees, happy! Hope you won’t miss your fam too much!”
Do NOT feel guilty for doing what is right by you first. Do you think they'd feel any guilt if they had to let you go without notice. They would not! Boss isn't disappointed, (Very condescending btw) he's mad that he'll have to work
Don’t respond. It’s literally not your problem. You have *already resigned* and no longer work there. It’s not negotiable. Congratulations on your teaching job!
First, they had the ability, but not the foresight, to include a notice period in your contract. So they’ve indicated the minimum notice is zero. Second, if they have not staffed and cross-trained a backup, that was a business decision. They accepted the risk; the idea that you should be guilty for their choice is nonsense.
I'm sure you would have given better noti e if you had time but you don't. Remember you don't owe your workplace anything. If they fired you, what notice would they have given?
Looks like you already got this handled, so congrats on graduating and on your new job. Thank you for choosing to teach. I hope you enjoy it and that you're treated well.
simply dont respond who cares
Oh well, he’ll get over it. 🤷🏻♀️
Your response: not my problem.
They clearly don't need you, or they would have been paying you more. Casual is cheaper for them after all.
tell him to PISS OFF
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU GO TO A TEACHING JOB!? Oh... wait, this is in Australia, where a teaching job wage can be above the poverty line.
It’s short notice when they fire someone, too. Goes both ways
Short notice isn't great, we all get it. But, as a casual you are under no obligation to give notice. Especially if he was kind of aware you were going for a teaching degree to be your future career. If stuff was going south for his business he wouldn't hesitate to drop you in a heart beat with no notice as that's his right to do so. Do you get any of the larger financial benefits of owning the company or business? No. He put the risk in to reap the rewards of which he clearly gets. So basically, Too bad so sad, he might have to send his family on the trip and actually come and run his business until such time as he can get additional help. This is exactly what it is to be a business owner, sometimes you have to work at the ground level also. If he didn't want this outcome, don't put on casuals in a leadership position.
Yea, and how much notice would he have given you if he laid you off? Gotta love that double standard
You didn't leave them short, they understaffed to save money. This is the consequence of their actions. Plus, it sounds like they didn't listen to you. That's doubly on them. Don't take the bait, sincerely wish them the best and move on.
Who gives a shit if he’s disappointed? Ignore.
Before you listen to the people telling you to fuck them, consider that these people are a future reference and the more industry connections you can maintain in your field the better.
I have plenty of references from this place and others so I’m not too concerned. I’ve only know this boss for 2 months as he only just took o er.
If you are casual in Australia. You don’t have to give notice. I believe it is one hour before your casual shift starts. Good Luck, and don’t feel guilty.
"Oh no, anyway..."
would they have given you notice that they will fire you in 2 weeks? if they would than perhaps work this last friday for them. if as you say they knew this was going to happen sooner or later then its on them move on and ignore their whining
Why is it ok for you to cancel your plans but he can’t cancel his time away? I wouldn’t worry.
How to respond ?With a upraised middle finger.
Don't feel guilty. They wouldn't if they laid you off because of costs. It's an effed up world and it's time that employees started treating employers the way they treat us!
"For the good of the company" your boss should cancel his plans and be a team player and work on Friday.
You will obviously get a lot of responses on this sub along the lines of “fuck em, stick it to the man”, but really just let your personal relationship with your manager and team be the judge here. Covering one last shift isnt kneeling down to your corporate masters, its just letting a person you like enjoy a day with their family 😂
You're overthinking this. If you do respond, tell them you were given a week's time to prepare a lesson plan. If your boss would like, tell him/her to prepare the plan for you and you'll work 3 more days and expect to get paid for the whole week.
This. As any trainer/educator knows, it's a 3:1 ratio of planning to delivery. 3hrs prep/planning to 1hr delivery. The rest of OP's week will be taken up with lesson planning