Do you accept suggestions, because I would suggest having Laurel begin her training in season 1, after the attack in her appartment in episode 2. That even though she has self defense training, she would still want to be able to take care of herself better, and she could even still meet Grant in season 1, and have him become her trainer there.
But your ideas sound great.
Of course i accept suggestions! Thanks! And yeah, I had in mind the idea of her meeting Grant in season 1, so She could start, with little hints, her journey to become a full fledged Black Canary!
What is the point of this rewrite? That mights sound blunt, what I mean is: Your rewriting arrow. Why? Are you making the show more comic accurate? That would probably lead to a complete overhaul of the entire series. Are you taking Arrow out of the Arrowverse and having it as a stand-alone series? That doesn’t really affect the earlier seasons but from S4-5 onwards a lot of arrow is defined by the universe it is part of and as such many ideas (Black Siren, Sara Lance, crossovers, the entire final season). Are you not really changing the overall show and just tweaking some plot-lines? If that is the case then really, what’s the point?
What is the selling point of your rewrite. There’s tons of rewrites out there if you go looking for them but what makes yours stand out, why should I be interested in this rewrite? Don’t think I’m trying to belittle what your trying to do or dissuade you from doing this, after all I think that rewriting already existing projects is a great way to practise writing and get better, eventually leading to writing original stories, and if all of this is just a practise in writing then that’s great, but if you want people to follow this project (beyond a handful of replies on each post) ,and having other people interested in this will be a good way to ensure you stick it through to the end, then I think you need some unique element that YOU are bringing into the rewrite.
First of all, thank you for your comment, let's say I will use it as a motivational reference point to move forward. The questions you ask are more than legitimate.
-Why rewrite Arrow? Well, the simple reason: reviewing a TV series, as if it were a book, is a very different thing and can create particular perceptions. My idea, is to try to make and create impressions that on a TV series, it is impossible to shape. I want to focus on the characters' thoughts and try to make the conversations more realistic and natural, bring the story back to a narrative plane of gradual evolution. Although for example, season 1 is practically perfect, this one in my opinion can be improved if fictionalized.
-Second: actually focusing on the plots of the seasons, is only one of the milestones of the project. My intention, is to rewrite some characters, based on a variety of parameters. I well understand your perplexity in simply seeing the episodes on a Word file, but trust me, it will not be like that. Initially, everything might look similar to what you have seen in the series, with minor differences, but that is where the evolutionary process of storytelling lies: I am even going to introduce MY elements, without upsetting everything too much and shaping a new vision of what we already know.
-I know there are many rewrite: I do this, both for personal satisfaction, as a tribute to this sub, and as a hypothetical new story to follow, through even YOUR requests and desires. Arrow is a particular series, with a deep and intricate history. I would like to investigate these mysteries more, even rewrite whole episodes (especially fillers), emphasize the communicative mode between reader and writer, and try to recreate the atmosphere of the series, with new filters and components, elements also added by me. You can be sure that I will remain true to myself with this project, right to the very end.
In conclusion, the selling point of my rewrite is to try something different from all the other rewrites, changing the storyline by malleering the events and instilling new narratice elements, never seen before, GRADUALLY. So, nothing more to say... thanks for your questions!
Okay, i’ll say i’m intrigued to see where this goes as it builds upon itself, an aspect of storytelling I quite enjoy is when small moments that could quite easily be thrown away as insignificant snowball into major plot points or larger story beats. Something, however, to avoid is reliance of this “snowballing effect” and keep a semblance of a larger plan in effect throughout. Just look at the ASoIaF series from GRRM that may never get truly finished due to an exponential growth, the original plans are there but so much of that series is built upon the foundation of following the characters through the natural decisions they would make that sometime differ from the original plan, leading to narrative problems that become hard to solve (the merrenese knot, the missing five years) they delay books for years.
I also didn’t realise that you are rewriting the series in book format, that in of itself is a unique aspect you are bringing to this rewrite, and as you point out allows for deeper perspective into the minds of the characters.
The element of this rewrite being a seemingly co-operative work is also interesting, I have the impression that you will be taking suggestions from the proverbial audience which can be rewarding as they may have better ideas than yourself but could also be detrimental as people who follow this series may be upset if you don’t include their ideas which may or may not be “bad” ideas.
I’ll give this a fair shot whenever I browse this sub and stumble across an entry, most of all have fun and enjoy the process, don’t force yourself to continue this series if you end up falling out of love with the series.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Yes, the plans are like that, everything will be a gradual evolution, even with the villains who are also an essential part of the story, the core around which the hero's journey revolves, emphasizing on their backstories and what they think and how they will act, all studied in detail. I agree with everything you said, I am not an excellent writer, but I think I can do it, also thanks to you and the supportof you all, by proverbial audience and comparison of ideas, maybe even with a discord server or something! I will keep you updated with the project through various posts over the course of these days!^^
Here is how I will rewrite the series, season 1 will be more and less like, while the others will be changed:
- season 1 to me was perfect, so I will keep more or less something.
- season 2, the first half villain will be Brick, a mob boss, who seems to be invulnerable,
. while in the other half he is overtaked by count vertigo, who wishes to use his drug to plunge star city into madness, like Oliver used against him in season 1,
. Barry still appers in the episode 9, cause he is interested in brick invulnerability, but it was just fake bullets, that he used to spread fear, but in the end he is also striked by the particle accelerator lightning.
. Oliver mom still dies in the hands of the count, but he also died in the hand.
. Sara still returns but she stays in starling instead of returning to the league.
As for the flashbacks, instead of Sara apprering, it would be slade son joseph, who in my version arrives in the island, for a infiltration mission, the main villain of the flashbacks will be a comic accurate count vertigo who is an exiled royal, shado still dies, but slade and Joe survive, i think will be cool if the villains are the show version of him the drug dealer and the comic version.
- Season 3 will be like a mixture of seasons 3 and 2 from the show:
. Sara is still killed, but this time by slade, who Oliver only discovered in the later season.
. Before that, oliver suspected Malcolm or the league.
. Brother blood arc will happens just like in the show.
. The part of Quentin discovering about her death and hunting Oliver still happens, but while he is on the prison, slade begins his assault, and he escapes to defeat him once and for all, with the help of nyssa and the league.
. But in the end, slade taunts him about the ninth circle, who diggle also remembers deadshot telling him something like that about his brother.
. Flashbacks will be the season 2, expect that is slade son, joseph who dies in the hands of ivo instead of shado, also the plot with Taiana and Anatoly happens on the season.
The other seasons will be about the ninth circle and Prometheus, who in my version is Tommy Merlyn reassured by Dante.
. The ninth circle will be led by Dante, who is the former best friend of ras al ghul instead of darhk.
. Adrian chase will be vigillante.
. And for last, mirakuru will have his main compound water from Lazarus pit.
Im sorry that I don’t have many ideas for seasons 4,5,6,7. But that is, and if you are interested I have an idea for flash rewrite project
If you don’t like the Prometheus being Tommy, we can keep like the original, only thing I was going to change is that claybourne, chase father, was more involved with the undertaking like Oliver parents, like his tuberculosis scheme being the original plan for the glades instead of the earthquake machine, but Malcolm merlyn kicked him out, due to also having the idea of profiting from it, like in the show
. Other thing that I also will change is Oliver mom giving the names of the list to the police, to take them once for all, cause I always bothered that they never speak again of it
Dante being a former member of the LoA and a former friend turned enemy of Ra’s is something I’ve always had in mind for my rewrite so it’s cool to see someone else that came up with the idea beside me
I’m a little late here but as far as what I would change, here’s a few I would make:
• Not much of a shipper but I would somehow have Oliver and Laurel as the endgame pairing.
• I would actually have the flashbacks for Russia be in S4 while S5 flashbacks would be on the Island with Oliver trying to escape some agents of the Ninth Circle.
• Ra’s Al Ghul would be the main villain for S5 instead while Adrian Chase would be the main villain of S6 but instead of being called Prometheus, he would be called Komodo
• Count Vertigo would be the leader of H.I.V.E. and he would have a chip inside his head that gives him his vertigo abilities
• Dante would be the main villain for S7 and the final villain. He would be a former member of the LoA and was A former friend turned enemy of Ra’s Al Ghul instead of Darhk. The Ninth Circle would be his own LoA organization. He was also the one who trained Adrian Chase and helped create the Mirakuru by using water from the Lazarus Pit. Ra’s would actually talk to Oliver about Dante and all the things he’s done and reveal to him that he sent his agents to kill Oliver in his last year on the Island.
That’s all I have for now
I think Arrow was perfect till s3. If we see Laurel as just love interest and Sara as Arrow Black Canary then there is nothing to fix on this department. Killing Sara and making Laurel fit her shoes is the problem and this is what I would re write. Also Olicitt, and everything about them. But again of Dara stayed Olicity can easily be removed
Your idea looks pretty cool! I do have the intent of making Laurel as love interest, overall, I would also like to make her as Black Canary. We'll see what it will come up!
OH MY GOD, this is actually very intriguing!!! How are you going to upload the episodes?? Your idea of focusing more on the main story, and rewriting characters seems amazing!
Do you accept suggestions, because I would suggest having Laurel begin her training in season 1, after the attack in her appartment in episode 2. That even though she has self defense training, she would still want to be able to take care of herself better, and she could even still meet Grant in season 1, and have him become her trainer there. But your ideas sound great.
Of course i accept suggestions! Thanks! And yeah, I had in mind the idea of her meeting Grant in season 1, so She could start, with little hints, her journey to become a full fledged Black Canary!
What is the point of this rewrite? That mights sound blunt, what I mean is: Your rewriting arrow. Why? Are you making the show more comic accurate? That would probably lead to a complete overhaul of the entire series. Are you taking Arrow out of the Arrowverse and having it as a stand-alone series? That doesn’t really affect the earlier seasons but from S4-5 onwards a lot of arrow is defined by the universe it is part of and as such many ideas (Black Siren, Sara Lance, crossovers, the entire final season). Are you not really changing the overall show and just tweaking some plot-lines? If that is the case then really, what’s the point? What is the selling point of your rewrite. There’s tons of rewrites out there if you go looking for them but what makes yours stand out, why should I be interested in this rewrite? Don’t think I’m trying to belittle what your trying to do or dissuade you from doing this, after all I think that rewriting already existing projects is a great way to practise writing and get better, eventually leading to writing original stories, and if all of this is just a practise in writing then that’s great, but if you want people to follow this project (beyond a handful of replies on each post) ,and having other people interested in this will be a good way to ensure you stick it through to the end, then I think you need some unique element that YOU are bringing into the rewrite.
First of all, thank you for your comment, let's say I will use it as a motivational reference point to move forward. The questions you ask are more than legitimate. -Why rewrite Arrow? Well, the simple reason: reviewing a TV series, as if it were a book, is a very different thing and can create particular perceptions. My idea, is to try to make and create impressions that on a TV series, it is impossible to shape. I want to focus on the characters' thoughts and try to make the conversations more realistic and natural, bring the story back to a narrative plane of gradual evolution. Although for example, season 1 is practically perfect, this one in my opinion can be improved if fictionalized. -Second: actually focusing on the plots of the seasons, is only one of the milestones of the project. My intention, is to rewrite some characters, based on a variety of parameters. I well understand your perplexity in simply seeing the episodes on a Word file, but trust me, it will not be like that. Initially, everything might look similar to what you have seen in the series, with minor differences, but that is where the evolutionary process of storytelling lies: I am even going to introduce MY elements, without upsetting everything too much and shaping a new vision of what we already know. -I know there are many rewrite: I do this, both for personal satisfaction, as a tribute to this sub, and as a hypothetical new story to follow, through even YOUR requests and desires. Arrow is a particular series, with a deep and intricate history. I would like to investigate these mysteries more, even rewrite whole episodes (especially fillers), emphasize the communicative mode between reader and writer, and try to recreate the atmosphere of the series, with new filters and components, elements also added by me. You can be sure that I will remain true to myself with this project, right to the very end. In conclusion, the selling point of my rewrite is to try something different from all the other rewrites, changing the storyline by malleering the events and instilling new narratice elements, never seen before, GRADUALLY. So, nothing more to say... thanks for your questions!
Okay, i’ll say i’m intrigued to see where this goes as it builds upon itself, an aspect of storytelling I quite enjoy is when small moments that could quite easily be thrown away as insignificant snowball into major plot points or larger story beats. Something, however, to avoid is reliance of this “snowballing effect” and keep a semblance of a larger plan in effect throughout. Just look at the ASoIaF series from GRRM that may never get truly finished due to an exponential growth, the original plans are there but so much of that series is built upon the foundation of following the characters through the natural decisions they would make that sometime differ from the original plan, leading to narrative problems that become hard to solve (the merrenese knot, the missing five years) they delay books for years. I also didn’t realise that you are rewriting the series in book format, that in of itself is a unique aspect you are bringing to this rewrite, and as you point out allows for deeper perspective into the minds of the characters. The element of this rewrite being a seemingly co-operative work is also interesting, I have the impression that you will be taking suggestions from the proverbial audience which can be rewarding as they may have better ideas than yourself but could also be detrimental as people who follow this series may be upset if you don’t include their ideas which may or may not be “bad” ideas. I’ll give this a fair shot whenever I browse this sub and stumble across an entry, most of all have fun and enjoy the process, don’t force yourself to continue this series if you end up falling out of love with the series.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Yes, the plans are like that, everything will be a gradual evolution, even with the villains who are also an essential part of the story, the core around which the hero's journey revolves, emphasizing on their backstories and what they think and how they will act, all studied in detail. I agree with everything you said, I am not an excellent writer, but I think I can do it, also thanks to you and the supportof you all, by proverbial audience and comparison of ideas, maybe even with a discord server or something! I will keep you updated with the project through various posts over the course of these days!^^
Nice to know I'm not the only one working on a rewrite! Look forward to seeing where this one goes
Thank you, I'm so excited to start! Also, best of luck for your project! I'd love to give it a reading!
Here is how I will rewrite the series, season 1 will be more and less like, while the others will be changed: - season 1 to me was perfect, so I will keep more or less something. - season 2, the first half villain will be Brick, a mob boss, who seems to be invulnerable, . while in the other half he is overtaked by count vertigo, who wishes to use his drug to plunge star city into madness, like Oliver used against him in season 1, . Barry still appers in the episode 9, cause he is interested in brick invulnerability, but it was just fake bullets, that he used to spread fear, but in the end he is also striked by the particle accelerator lightning. . Oliver mom still dies in the hands of the count, but he also died in the hand. . Sara still returns but she stays in starling instead of returning to the league. As for the flashbacks, instead of Sara apprering, it would be slade son joseph, who in my version arrives in the island, for a infiltration mission, the main villain of the flashbacks will be a comic accurate count vertigo who is an exiled royal, shado still dies, but slade and Joe survive, i think will be cool if the villains are the show version of him the drug dealer and the comic version. - Season 3 will be like a mixture of seasons 3 and 2 from the show: . Sara is still killed, but this time by slade, who Oliver only discovered in the later season. . Before that, oliver suspected Malcolm or the league. . Brother blood arc will happens just like in the show. . The part of Quentin discovering about her death and hunting Oliver still happens, but while he is on the prison, slade begins his assault, and he escapes to defeat him once and for all, with the help of nyssa and the league. . But in the end, slade taunts him about the ninth circle, who diggle also remembers deadshot telling him something like that about his brother. . Flashbacks will be the season 2, expect that is slade son, joseph who dies in the hands of ivo instead of shado, also the plot with Taiana and Anatoly happens on the season. The other seasons will be about the ninth circle and Prometheus, who in my version is Tommy Merlyn reassured by Dante. . The ninth circle will be led by Dante, who is the former best friend of ras al ghul instead of darhk. . Adrian chase will be vigillante. . And for last, mirakuru will have his main compound water from Lazarus pit. Im sorry that I don’t have many ideas for seasons 4,5,6,7. But that is, and if you are interested I have an idea for flash rewrite project
This is actually very interesting and original, not bad! For the flash project, we could contact each other in private!
Thank you for sure
If you don’t like the Prometheus being Tommy, we can keep like the original, only thing I was going to change is that claybourne, chase father, was more involved with the undertaking like Oliver parents, like his tuberculosis scheme being the original plan for the glades instead of the earthquake machine, but Malcolm merlyn kicked him out, due to also having the idea of profiting from it, like in the show . Other thing that I also will change is Oliver mom giving the names of the list to the police, to take them once for all, cause I always bothered that they never speak again of it
Dante being a former member of the LoA and a former friend turned enemy of Ra’s is something I’ve always had in mind for my rewrite so it’s cool to see someone else that came up with the idea beside me
I’m a little late here but as far as what I would change, here’s a few I would make: • Not much of a shipper but I would somehow have Oliver and Laurel as the endgame pairing. • I would actually have the flashbacks for Russia be in S4 while S5 flashbacks would be on the Island with Oliver trying to escape some agents of the Ninth Circle. • Ra’s Al Ghul would be the main villain for S5 instead while Adrian Chase would be the main villain of S6 but instead of being called Prometheus, he would be called Komodo • Count Vertigo would be the leader of H.I.V.E. and he would have a chip inside his head that gives him his vertigo abilities • Dante would be the main villain for S7 and the final villain. He would be a former member of the LoA and was A former friend turned enemy of Ra’s Al Ghul instead of Darhk. The Ninth Circle would be his own LoA organization. He was also the one who trained Adrian Chase and helped create the Mirakuru by using water from the Lazarus Pit. Ra’s would actually talk to Oliver about Dante and all the things he’s done and reveal to him that he sent his agents to kill Oliver in his last year on the Island. That’s all I have for now
These are actually cool ideas, very well done!! And don't worry, soon I'll update the project!\^\^
I think Arrow was perfect till s3. If we see Laurel as just love interest and Sara as Arrow Black Canary then there is nothing to fix on this department. Killing Sara and making Laurel fit her shoes is the problem and this is what I would re write. Also Olicitt, and everything about them. But again of Dara stayed Olicity can easily be removed
Your idea looks pretty cool! I do have the intent of making Laurel as love interest, overall, I would also like to make her as Black Canary. We'll see what it will come up!
OH MY GOD, this is actually very intriguing!!! How are you going to upload the episodes?? Your idea of focusing more on the main story, and rewriting characters seems amazing!
Thank you for your thoughts! I was thinking to upload a PDF file or using Fanfiction.net