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hatboyslim

1. Singapore had a national campaign in the late 1960s to encourage people to switch from rice to wheat. The purpose was to save hard currency because the cost of rice imports was rising. So, Singaporeans were encouraged to eat more bread, roti, youtiao, buns, etc. https://biblioasia.nlb.gov.sg/vol-19/issue-3/oct-dec-2023/eat-more-wheat-campaign/ 2. Before NS became mandatory, Singapore tried to build a reserve force, the People’s Defence Force, that was similar to the British Territorial Army. To encourage volunteers to sign up, the younger ministers and many MPs volunteered for officer training which was conducted on the weekends. Even Othman Wok, who was then 42 years old and the minister for social welfare, gamely signed up for it. The ministers for labor and education (Jek Yeun Thong and Ong Pang Boon) also signed up to get tekaned. Goh Keng Swee, who was too old and had no time to do this crap, promoted himself to colonel. https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=c010bd60-282c-4703-8e7f-3aeaa6e60cfe


starlightisnottaiwan

Chad GKS, funny how his name is associated with higher military studies even though he had none (?)


icwiener25

Goh Keng Swee was in the Singapore Volunteer Corps, the colonial-era forerunner of the PDF and SAF. This made him one of the very few members of the first-generation leadership (maybe the only one) with a military background.


bukitbukit

David Marshall served in the Straits Settlements Volunteer Force during WW2. Was a POW in Japan.


hatboyslim

Goh was almost 50 when they formed the PDF. How to do the standard obstacle course?


False_Carpenter_9034

Can do, he can always go around obstacles lol


bigcarrot01

At his rank he can command the obstacles to be brought around him.


AsparagusTamer

The right to vote is not in the Constitution.


FlipFlopForALiving

We also do not have a constitutional right to property. One can argue whether this is good or no good - with the gahmen of the day deciding against such a right to facilitate land acquisition and redevelopment into modern day SG


Minigiantbomb

Actually our highest court has found that the right to vote is part of our Constitution, either as a matter of construing it as a whole or as a matter of necessary implication. Daniel De Costa Augustin v Attorney-General [2020] SGCA 60.


fiveisseven

This is something new. Not like Singapore's constitutuion is anything sacred because one party holds supermajority anyways.


blackchilli

1. Young Chinese girls were left at the doorstep at Chijmes for protection during World War 2. The nunnery there would shelter them.  2. KK hospital stands for Kandang Kerbau Hospital. It means "bull pen" hospital.  3. Dhoby Gaut is named what it is because there used to be a river there (Sungei Brass Bassa) and Dhobis (washermen) would wash clothes at the Ghaut (riverbank).


atzee

The national anthem’s lyrics are inscribed onto the back of the S$1000 note in microprint.


cal_istar

and that's only if u have a $1000 note,since they arent in circulation anymore


tebetpride

aren't in circulation anymore... right... \*laugh nervously in indonesian money laundering


_sagittarivs

Waiting for the day that school teachers pass around $100 note for kids to learn the National Anthem instead of the lyrics printed on A4 paper.


subzephyr

Someone already mentioned Disneyland, but here are a few more extras related to that: 1. It was meant to take the entirety of the Seletar area, including the reservoir. This would allow the castle to be built be the waters, similar to the Disney fanfare we see before every Disney show. 2. The Disney MRT line would come from in between Khatib and Yio Chu Kang, which is why for the longest time it was such a long journey. 3. The deal fell through because Disney wanted to OWN the land, and the Singapore government doesn’t sell land but instead leases it. This was a non-negotiable and so Disney pulled out.


yellowsuprrcar

Thank goodness this didn't happen. We wouldn't have any green areas at all


skatyboy

The 3rd point is ironic because Disney wound up building a theme park in HK in the 90s with a 50 + 50 year land lease (in HK, the only land that is freehold is a cathedral).


prime5119

Singapore is the only country with different flavours of Yakult (whoever drink vitagen we can't be friend)


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I dont understand who the eff can like Vitagen The taste is horrid.


Away_Emu9862

But Yakult has an aftertaste


isk_one

Thats for the old receipe. i realised current one does not have the aftertaste.


Away_Emu9862

Noted will buy some tomorrow![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|laughing)


MissLute

tastes like soap


_sagittarivs

Used to drink Vitagen before they reduced the sugar level, but then it became not as nice alr


WFH_Quack

Vitagen has free gifts though


bigspicytomato

Might as well just buy the gift if you r going to throw the vitagen away anyway.


helloween123

Yakult also have


_sagittarivs

Our still-existing Chinese Newspapers, the Lianhe Zaobao and Shin Min Daily News, have interesting histories. The Lianhe Zaobao was formed from a 1983 merger of two older newspapers, the Nanyang Siang Pau and Sin Chew Jit Poh (these two newspapers still exist independently in Malaysia). The Sin Chew Jit Poh's masthead was written by Chiang Kai-shek. The Shin Min Daily News was founded by Louis Cha (Jin Yong) who wrote and published a few chapters of his wuxia novel (The Smiling, Proud Wanderer; 笑傲江湖) first in the newspaper, even before the rest of the Chinese world got to read it.


baisimu

I enjoyed this fun fact, thanks for sharing!


Dalostbear

Is the jit poh related to the jit poh building at tanjong pagar?


_sagittarivs

According to [NLB](https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/image-detail?cmsuuid=629bb773-d42b-492a-b925-67d172b813c2), it is


Dalostbear

Much interesting


Eatsallthechocs

Wow totally did not know Jin Yong lived, worked and published in Singapore!


_sagittarivs

It was albeit only for a few months in 1967 when the HK Riots grew violent against the colonial rule (in HK) and the anti-communist stance of Louis Cha was making him a prime target, but it was also a sign that Singapore back then was still quite supportive of Chinese culture, which was sustained by the existence of Chinese education and Nantah. In the 1930s to 1960s, Hong Kong and Singapore (as part of the larger Nanyang Chinese culture) were probably the closest cities in terms of development and histories and culture, and the rich Chinese of HK and SG shuttled between the two cities. Some examples include the Shaw Brothers (Shaw Runme and Run Run Shaw), Aw Brothers (Aw Boon Haw, Aw Boon Par), Eu Tong Sen, Loke Wan Tho, etc. One interesting tidbit about the (rather tiny) Shanghainese population in Singapore that came before the 1960s is that a lot of them came to SG via HK.


hucks22

Our timezone has been UTC+8 only since 1982. We were on UTC+7.5 previously.


cal_istar

we are basically robbed of 30 mins.


__Conclusion__

That’s why I feel half asleep


GuaranteeNo507

30 min offset timezones are super annoying tho.


unreal2007

I remember there is this channel 8 show with plot of guy supposed to have dance with girl, but end up being late because he forget of the timezone change and the girl told him about the time in the new time zone.


nvbtable

Our "natural" timezone should be about UTC+7 so that we have sunrise at 6am, solar noon at 12nn and sunset at 6pm. One of the reasons why kids always struggle to wake up in the dark to get ready for school. They should be waking with the sunrise.


Forumites000

On the flipside, we sleep later into the morning, as the sun rises later as well, and we also get more daylight after work. I think it evens out.


ellean4

If I were born before 1982 does this mean I am suddenly magically 30 minutes older


No-Wing-1144

And we changed it 6 times since 1905!!


SkorpionAK

This brought Singapore timezone same as Hong Kong’s. Goal was to open stock market at the same time. But later on as China became even more important, this became very convenient for trade with China.


Immediate_Tap_4006

No we did not change our time zone because of Hong Kong. We changed back our time zone after WW2 in 1945 to be the same as Malaysia's because of business & travel schedules. Then when Malaysia decided to change again in 1982 to synchronise the clocks between east & west Malaysia, we also followed again.


sgmusicchat

this is totally random but this was a plot a famous episode on a old live action nickelodeon show - The adventures of pete and pete about daylight savings.


khaitheman222

WW2 tidbits.Japan was actually not confident that they could take SIngapore before they ran out of resources and was ready to deploy 2 of their Kongou class battlecruisers to aid the invasion. Infact, they were running out of supplies, and had the british not surrender, the japanes invasion would had fizzled as they were dagerous low on supplies. The first allied force to enter SIngapore post Japanese invasion was a De Havilland Mosquito, whic accidentally landed in singapore after the announcement of the surrrender of japanese forces. Apparently the plane was refueled and left Singapore. Had japan not surrendered earlier, the British had actual Plans to invade and take back Singapore. If I'm not wrong, the japanese also left Takao and ashigara Heavey Cruisers in SIngapore as AA defence, though bothe were too damaged to be used.


_sagittarivs

>Takao This reminded me of the city of Kaohsiung in Taiwan. Kaohsiung is written in Chinese as 高雄 (Gāo xíong), which the same characters are pronounced as *Takao* in Japanese. (This 2 *Takao*s are referring to different things btw.) The reason why the Japanese (who occupied Taiwan from 1895 to 1945) called the city as *Takao* was because the Minnan Chinese name for that area was called Takau (written as 打狗), and at the same time they were naming it for a City Ward in Kyoto. The reason why the Minnan Chinese called the area as Takau is because the original, Aboriginal name of that area is Takau. So the city of Kaohsiung has a very unique etymology, that kinda transcends many languages.


Tropicalhairymonster

It was the Myoko actually. Can't remember what happened to Ashigara. I was in Seletar camp and till date I'm still amazed at the historical connection between the camp and the IJN WWII. Another tidbit is that Singapore and the surrounding Indonesian islands were quite an important area for the IJN during WWII, with almost all of their Combined Fleet units (except Yamato and Musashi) having stopped by or visited at some point during the war for repairs or fuel.


khaitheman222

Thanks for additional info! IIRC there's also a few IJN shipwrecks nearby as a few ships were sunk close to the end of the war, IJN Haguro is one I remembered


bukitbukit

Imagine if the Royal Navy recommissioned Takao and later transferred it to us during their withdrawal in 1972.


Yokies

Once upon a time, couples were penalised for having more than the state sanctioned number of babies.


DiscipleOfYeshua

Free MOE school only for first 2 kids, was it? 3rd kid pay from pocket?


Yokies

Wiki "population planning singapore". Its quite draconian. Stuff that would lead to riots if it happened today.


CrowTengu

Or more like government are practically begging our population to grow lol


OrangeFr3ak

Not only Taylor Swift but Justin Trudeau, the current Canadian Prime Minister has ancestral ties to Singapore.


testercheong

Related to Colonel William Farquar through his mother side of the family tree


OrangeFr3ak

Yup!


Away_Emu9862

Charlie Chaplin got married here ( his 3rd marriage I think ) , Johnny Depp and Amber Heard honeymooned here and the great Einstein visited friends here


bukitbukit

Paul Theroux taught at NUS and Somerset Maugham lived here for a bit.


everywhereinbetween

I knew this one >: )


mrdoriangrey

NUS campus is very hilly (pretty much no flat land until the U-Town was built) so that there isn't enough open space for mass gatherings...


_sagittarivs

I read that that's the reason they shifted from Bukit Timah (where the Law Faculty is currently) to Kent Ridge. They had massive gatherings back in the Bukit Timah days.


Immediate_Tap_4006

Its even worse now compared to 10 years ago with many of the corridors converted to office & other rooms


GuaranteeNo507

Oh wow.


GoldenMaus

Haw Par Villa once had a great sea view. The same with Telok Ayer area. You can compare old and new maps of the Singapore coastline to see how it changed in the last 200 years.


_sagittarivs

https://libmaps.nus.edu.sg/ Fun website to toggle between the years to check what has been changed


_sagittarivs

>great (sea) view This is actually the meaning of Buona Vista (good view).


HugeWestern6853

and that place has lots of hills and used to house military camps. makes sense as there's a masjid in near nus area called masjid tentara diraja. and precolonial districts are different from now.


testercheong

We used to have a refugee camp for Vietnamese boat people up until the early 90s This one's possibly well known now but Taylor Swifts mom grew up in Singapore and spent some time studying in Singapore American School, while staying in a Colonial Bungalow at Ridout Road/Seletar area ( featured in the Marjorie music video) Peter Crouch spent a couple years in Singapore in his infant years, while Terry Butcher and Kygo were born here We're supposed to have a Disneyland at where lower seletar reservoir is at, but plans fizzled out and we ended up becoming the Disneyland with a Death Penalty instead


_sagittarivs

Hawkins Road Camp! Was closed by 1997 and located along Admiralty Road West a bit further down from where SSDC is currently. This also reminded me of a fighter pilot, [Phạm Quang Khiêm](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BA%A1m_Quang_Khi%C3%AAm) who escaped with his family on a stolen C-130A from South Vietnam in 1975 and landed the plane at Paya Lebar Airport. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/southern-tier/2020/04/wings-and-a-prayer-vietnamese-pilots-escape-before-the-fall-of-saigon.html?outputType=amp


cpf86

Incredible history. Thanks for sharing


fostdecile

Is it the road that is now closed with a barrier or the one where we can enter and see the heritage looking houses? My and my friend used to jog around that area and we were wondering what those houses were.


_sagittarivs

Hawkins Road has been expunged. The road closed with a barrier is View Road which was beside Hawkins Road and the other road is either Keramat Road or Dahan Road which were opposite Hawkins Road.


fostdecile

Oh ya, Keramat Road is the one we saw with the heritage looking house. Whose house are those? Sorry abit kaypoh haha


globetrotter1000G

Before Tanjong Pagar station was built, the KTM (then-FMSR) railway line used to run along where Dunearn Rd is today to near where Fort Canning MRT is today. There were stations at Mandai, Bukit Panjang (near today's Hillion), Bukit Timah (a different station, near the Shell petrol station at Beauty World), Holland Rd, Cluny Rd, Newton (near today's Newton MRT), and Tank Road (Fort Canning). In 1900s-1910s there were even stations at Chinatown (Peoples Park) and and today's Labrador Park. Some of the traces of this railway is still visible - Duxton Plain Park follows the route of this old railway, as well as a linear park behind the row of shophouses along Emerald Hill (but most of it had become CTE)


Fluffy-Nature-2087

All Malay Singaporeans were initially not required to serve National Service when it was first introduced because it seems that there may be issues of loyalty. Suddenly, the policy changed and Malay Singaporeans were required to serve with the exception of those male Muslims who were studying in Madrasahs. Sometime in 2022, I have a Singaporean friend who studied in a Singapore madrasah and graduated from an overseas university. He was asked by his employer to make a Statutory Declaration to submit to HR to the effect that he doesn’t need to serve NS, which surprised me. According to what I recall from talking to him, if a male Muslim who had studied in a madrasah wants to serve in NS, that person must first ask for permission from the Ministry of Home Affairs (where the answer could be either yes or no).


Accomplished_Many540

Yes all my friends tt studied islamic studies overseas (middle east) were not called for NS, dk if it’s intentional or not, and if they studied after NS, they are not called for reservist at all. Not sure about islamic studies from oxbridge tho.


Fluffy-Nature-2087

What are your friends thoughts? Are your friends happy that they don’t need to serve? Do they feel like they can’t be trusted as a fellow citizen despite the fact that they are born and bred here?


Accomplished_Many540

I don’t think they need to proof themselves thru NS persay. But there’s pros and cons to it i guess? I believe some company like SQ offer different base salary for people who went thru NS (extra $200) so tt’s definitely a disadvantage. Thru NS (depends on vocation and position), I’d believe you’d learn skills that’s transferable to your workspace or everyday life. For eg: leadership skills etc. Esp for an adult in early 20s or late teens where it’s a fresh full time “job”before starting uni/full time career. Otherwise, they’re living a pretty normal life.


Fluffy-Nature-2087

I see. Then do your friends think that they should be excluded?


Accomplished_Many540

excluded in what way? they are working normally in a blue collared job just like many other singaporeans and not even in the field tt they learnt. Some of them choose the country bcse of the cheaper uni fees! I don’t think they are exluded/ feel excluded or feel the need to be excluded!


Fluffy-Nature-2087

Excluded from NS. I am curious about this from an academic point of view. This is because it’s been drilled into our society that we gotta defend ourselves and every male Singaporeans must accept sacrificing close to 2 years of their lives for this, amongst other things. So to some folks, they may wonder why are folks like your friends getting special treatment to not be required to waste close to 2 years of their lives in NS plus no need to serve reservist. Then to other folks, they may rationalise that it’s best that folks like your friends don’t serve NS because of their madrasah education background (maybe due to them being a potential national security risk since NS folks are generally trained for our nation’s security). So regardless of how your friends can contribute to Singapore’s society through other means and just focusing on the aspect of NS, I am wondering whether your friends think they should be excluded from serving NS because they accept that they shouldn’t for whatever reason that may be.


Numerous-Editor-8778

why do male muslims who were studying in Madrasahs have exception? im just curious


Fluffy-Nature-2087

I honestly don’t know but a quick google brings up an old Mothership story published in 2016 highlighting another Redditor’s personal story. In that Mothership article, they recounted that a question was posed to Mindef (seems to be the same as yours) and they highlighted that the response by Mindef in 2011 didn’t answer the question. I guess the public will never know.


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Numerous-Editor-8778

damn, thanks a lot


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Alarming-Text-8777

Fengshui masters told LKY that constructing MRT tunnels under the city centre would harm Singapore's "dragon vein", unless large numbers of Singaporeans owned baguas (octagonal shaped symbols in Taoism). Since Singapore is a diverse country and it wasn't possible to convince everyone to get a bagua, they decided to make the $1 coin octagonal


bukitbukit

Our road tax disc also looked octagonal… but it could just be coincidental.


4C35101013

Wasnt this one a myth? Any sources?


unreal2007

I think reporter asked LKY about this and he said, rumours sometimes are better not to be addressed, let them hear what they wanna hear


sydelisa

This is very interesting! Thanks for sharing


XykeVayaris

I did know about the part where LKY wants every Singaporean to carry a bagua to make sg wealthy, but didn’t know that it was to combat against bad luck.


Winner_takesitall

The right to remain silent does not apply in Singapore if you are arrested


Pitiful_Election_688

~~"if you don't shut up we will use whatever you say against you" applies universally... basic law enforcement~~ nvm sorry I misread - yeah if police ask questions you have to talk, you can't stay silent, else it's an offence


Initial_E

The phrase “cooperating with the police” is an euphemism for “taken in for questioning”


pyroSeven

You can always say “I don’t recall”.


Fearless_Help_8231

Lol you try then tell us how it is. I'm sure our pol pol have tricks up their sleeves to combat that Also no immediate right to lawyer. You ask for lawyer, the police can just say no or ignore your request. Unfortunately most Singaporeans don't give a shit enough to want that repealed. Until....


zchew

>yeah if police ask questions you have to talk, you can't stay silent, else it's an offence I thought it wasn't an offence, but the silence can be used as evidence to draw negative inferences against you?


No-Wing-1144

The Singapore flyer changed direction in 2008 due to fengshui


BrightConstruction19

And indeed the streak of bad luck which plagued it seems to have turned for the better since


Away_Emu9862

There were only 10 Arab families in Singapore .Traders from Yemenand Saudi Arabia and they had many Malay slaves , yes slaves whom they intermarriage and converted to Islam


ConsiderationNo1619

We used to be able to pay up HDB early and still had enough for retirement.


Ok-Bicycle-12345

Kek


ash_is_fun

Kek is a dialect you don’t hear anymore do you?


Overlord65

My partner used kek with me the other day, so presumably I was being somewhat witty at the time… 😬


floflotheartificier

#fax


Vileonez

There used to be a ban on men having long hair in the 60-70s to stop what was perceived as hippie culture. Discrimination measures included fining / firing them from civil sevice positions or having last priority to be served by gov agencies. https://mothership.sg/2019/03/singapore-long-hair-1970s-campaign/


syarkbait

Maybe this gives inspiration to the Die Hippie Die episode of South Park.


SherbetItchy3113

The HMS Repulse and HMS Prince of Wales sent by Britain to defend Singapore during WW2 weren't shabby ships.


zeroX14

Too bad they were sunk by the Jap's "flying coffins".


theduck08

"flying coffins" were the Brewster Buffalos which were outmatched by the Japanese


AdFine1421

Singapore had a eugenics-based program in 1984 that encouraged university-educated women to give birth. Apparently, poor and uneducated parents can receive major subsidies for voluntary sterilisation. Link to [Jstor article](https://www.jstor.org/stable/40230009) and a [Straits times article](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/did-mr-lee-kuan-yew-create-a-singapore-in-his-own-image) that discusses this.


Gold_Weekend6240

The native name of Singapore’s main island is Pulau Ujong . Wang Da Yuan the Chinese seafarer recorded in his travel annals the name of the island at the end of the Malay peninsula as 普罗中 (Pu Luo Chong) in the 3rd century AD . However this is debatable amongst historical scholars.(source Wikipedia) We got Pulau Tekong, Pulau Ubin , Pulau Blakang Mati , Pulau Hantu and…. Pulau Ujong !


jotunck

Our government once offered women without degrees a token sum to sterilize themselves so that only undergraduates can reproduce.


anakajaib

Yes our infamous state-sanctioned eugenics program


kopi_siewdai

They should bring this back for people who stay in 1 room flat, rely on financial aids and still have more than 5 kids..


Wild_Shock2910

Is there a source? Wld love to read it


throwawaykke

Search up graduate mother scheme. Smart women (criteria: going to university) were expected/forced to have children. Dumb women cannot have children, and had to get sterilised ie let their blood die. Both sides unhappy. Thankfully, it didnt last long.


GoldElectric

does eugenics work though


throwawaykke

Ignoring moral and ethics, in theory it could work. However humans are far more complex genetically and socially than other species who have been selectively bred (animal eugenics) so there's alot of unknowns and unpredictable factors. For instance, two very educated parents can, and many times, have produced a child with special needs like autism. Other times, you go to university campuses (LKY's definition of smart) and find plenty of undergraduates who are children of people who did not get proper education. I for one had a jc classmate now studying medicine but both her parents were uneducated cleaners. Social factors matter too. If u put a genetically smart kid in a lazy environment, maybe they will not realise their potential and the genes go wasted. You put a dumb kid in a smart environment, they could buck up and maybe not be the smartest, but definitely educated enough. So it shows that genetics alone does not determine outcome There are also insufficient studies to prove that playing the eugenics game will only produce "good genes", or any genetic deforms.


jotunck

I heard of this through my parents, right now the only thing I can find on it is this https://www.jstor.org/stable/40230009


syarkbait

Wow I just read the damn article and it’s so shocking. I’m relieved that they let that program die. I’m just appalled.


Wild_Shock2910

Thank u!!!


Probably_daydreaming

TIL that the meat party used in Ramly burger in Malaysia is banned in Singapore. The Ramly burger patty used in Singapore is made entirely locally.


oxygenplant04

Any idea why it’s banned?


Probably_daydreaming

AFAIK, it's just the source of meat, wherever they sourcing their meat from, Singapore ain't too happy about it


hopeinson

The Malaysian beef patty that Ramly sourced from is from [India](https://www.you.co/sg/blog/where-to-get-ramly-burgers-in-malaysia/), which the then-AVA did not recognise as legitimately safe. 


Jiarong78

It was Lim Yew Hock that did what David Marshall cannot do. Obliterate the Strikers. Even PAP protest his brutal methods.


NoaUltAegis

The national anthem we sing is not Zubir Said's original.


_sagittarivs

There's an article (link below but in Mandarin, can google translate) mentioning a bronze bell that was found in Thian Hock Keng (completed 1842) that was from the Qianlong era (1735-1796). The article was written by someone who found anecdotal evidence for Chinese people living (and buried) in Singapore from before 1819. The dates on the tombstones were reportedly dating to the Qianlong era and that cemetery was located to the south of SGH. There was an old temple (Heng San Teng) that belonged to the cemetery, but burnt down in 1992 and was never rebuilt. It was reportedly built around 1824 or earlier and used to be the Hokkien Huay Kuan before Thian Hock Keng was built. http://www.iedusg.com/show-54-19041-1.html


Syncopat3d

Yes, the usual meme about Singapore being a mere backwater fishing village before 1819 is nonsense.


anakajaib

Technically it was. We have first hand account of Singapore when Raffles came. Munsyi Abdullah from Melaka accompanied Raffles & wrote a detailed description of the area around Singapore river


HugeWestern6853

singapore had always been multiracial. there were chinese, malays(native to this region), indians(specifically tamils have a very long history. they were here even before Europeans colonise this region), arabs, jawa, bugis etc. chinese were successful traders and helped build many things. chola era tamil king invaded peninsular south east asia and built forts and temples and significant influence in terms of language. this is even before colonial British entering in indian waters. (unfortunately its not talked about), native malays and org asli having significant contribution in malay kingdoms and royal courts, arab trading and religious preachers etc. is thanks to british generalising based on skin color and colonial administration changing the entire order of how things were you have present day cmio and minimal artefacts about pre colonial singapore.


Fickle-Cycle-5691

So, there were Chinese people present before Singapore came under British rule? If that's correct, it might challenge what I've assumed about Malays being the only indigenous group, as I thought Singapore only became diverse with the influx of people from China, India, and other places once it became a trading port.


blaunchedcauli

I mean Peranakans existed since the 1600s


JacobFire

During the Ming dynasty in the 1400s, an unnamed Chinese girl was married off to the Sultan of Malacca. Rumoured to be a Chinese princess, with many followers and attendants accompanying her so not surprising that Chinese presence had been there longer than Raffles.


Fickle-Cycle-5691

Cool, do you have any book on this, I wanna dig down this rabbit hole.. It could be the Malays were here all the while, and the Chinese were here on a visitor basis. Or our nation has all the while been a multiracial place with no one race claiming this area (this would be a very wholesome tale to tell our kids) Speaking about this, what would you define a Malay? Yo me a Chinese is someone whose ancestry stems from China and an India similarly. Where does the Malay ancestry stem from? This is very exciting, I do not know what I might find


JacobFire

Not sure if there are books but there are articles on this Chinese woman of questionable rank. Legends say she was a princess, others say she was a commoner. https://www.nst.com.my/news/2017/04/228020/search-hang-li-po


_sagittarivs

It doesn't change that the Malays were here way before anyone else, except maybe the Orang Asli. But the settlement area did grow bigger after the British came over, moving out of the town area back then and towards the Lim Chu Kang area.


Accomplished_Many540

You should find Melacca royal history instead of finding Singapore history because then, you will find the real history on how and why temasek was founded. Definitely not bcse of merlion lol. You should read up royal oak / melacca royal history or malaysia/indonesia history on NLB or southeast asia history thesis online if you’re interested! Sang nila utama which was Iskandar Zulkarnain/ Iskandar shah (it’s a debate bcse it’s written differently in China history and Malaysia history) after reverting founded temasek in 1299 and we were a part of Temasek/johor/melacca/riau/penang as a state. But in 1400s the 3rd/4th gen to him i believe married to an indian princess from Keling, Chinese princess and indonesia(not sure riau/palembang etc) princesses to connect all the dots for import/exports (ming dynasty was to offer protection from the siamese war) before the English settlers (1399 in melacca) which came way later in 1800s (sg) so you’re right and wrong! “indonesian” founded temasek… anw i don’t really care abt who founded who but i was deep diving in history to find the lineage of the malacca king thus i found all these history tt wasnt taught in school lol.


Immediate_Tap_4006

Merlion is a Singapore Tourism Board creation to boost tourism in Singapore. Not some myth affiliated with our founding. [https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=f9c0fd6c-acfa-4eb0-8585-2aa155c1d74d](https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=f9c0fd6c-acfa-4eb0-8585-2aa155c1d74d)


Accomplished_Many540

Oh and this why we are all mixed, it’s bcse of our ancestors! Tts where peranakan came from! And there were many Chinese settlers tt came and bcame architects tt helped to build the royal istana in SG and JB. Namely Wong Ah fook! But these were during and post british era in 1700-1800s! It’s fun when u read up from the royal history instead of the “legend of tales” tt we were thought in school!


throwawaykke

It doesnt challenge the point about malays/orang asli being indigenous. Because regardless of how far back we go, Chinese people never SPAWNED on the land per se. The records only show they migrated to the land earlier than what the British claim


bukitbukit

Yes, some came over from Dutch Batavia.


raytoei

A long time ago, singapore was the largest trading outpost for Japanese businesses. As business thrived, “working girls” came along, some did not survive here and got buried. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/japanese-cemetery-park


bukitbukit

Singapore holds the only Revere Bell outside the United States. Donated by American war of independence hero Paul Revere’s daughter Maria.


testercheong

Wife of Joseph Balestier


illEagle96

There is a form of "Baju Kurung" people wear in Johor/Singapore that's called Teluk Belanga. It was named after Telok Blangah, the old capital of Johor in Singapore


Ill-Driver525

There was an attraction call 唐城 and there is a scary ass haunted house that made use of headphone and 3d sound effect and it scares the hell out of me.


strangerrocks

Omg yes I still remember it despite going as a really young child


MissLute

i remember going too! it was super hot!


chenlukai

I remember going for the haunted house, and being nonplussed by the experience. Cos' there was a little girl in our group who got spooked way before anything scary happened and started shrieking at random moments.


EmptyTie5008

Google “Habib Nuh Al-Habsyi”


MartinFromChessCom

[holy hell!](https://www.google.com/search?q=habib+nuh+al-habsyi#HiImABot,MyJobIsToMakeEasierForPeopleToGoogleThings,IfThePersonIRepliedToUsedMeInAnInappropriateWayPleaseLetMeKnowByDMingMe,TheUserIRepliedToIsU/EmptyTie5008)


diktat86

"In 2022, a teenage student was arrested for, among other things, planning to blow up Habib Noh's tomb on account of its being "un-Islamic"." Omg


accidentaleast

This is such good historical info, ty. needs to be higher!!


YoreCoxsmall

[The Albatross File](https://biblioasia.nlb.gov.sg/files/pdf/vol-15/v15-issue2_Beg.pdf) shows a more “nuanced picture of events” that is contrary to the common perception that Singapore was “expelled” from Malaysia. Contrary to popular descriptions of Singapore having been "expelled" by Malaysia, our leaders themselves played a part in proposing and facilitating the separation, alongside Malaysia's leaders, at least a year before 9 August 1965 when LKY broke down on live television.


theduck08

It is both hilarious and dismaying that the reply above yours doubles down on the "kicked out" narrative


-_af_-

Inside is considered not within for Singapore


BenShers

Sentosa was previously known as "Pulau Blakang Mati (绝后岛)". It was a former military base before it was being renamed to "Sentosa" for tourism purposes. If only my numerous friends that had their wedding banquets there knew!!!!


clheng337563

岛*


BenShers

Oh yea. My bad. Hahahah.


bigcarrot01

If the wife finds out husband is cheating, go home confirm "blakang mati"


theduck08

Also, besides Forts Siloso and Imbiah, there were also Forts [Connaught](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/sentosa-fort-dating-back-to-the-1870s-opened-for-rare-public-tours-to-mark-singapore-s-fall-in-wwii) and [Serapong](https://thesmartlocal.com/read/fort-serapong/)


aynatiac3

Sarangapani, the founder of Tamil Murasu(Tamil Publication just like Lianhe Zaobao for the Chinese and Berita Harian for the Malays) abolished casteism in Singapore. If anyone is familiar with politics in India, we know how casteism is still rampant and alive there whereas local Singaporean Indians do not know or care about their caste for generations now because Sarangapani thought we should focus our energies on inter-racial efforts instead of infighting. He also married a Peranakan-Chinese lady which was very forward in the 1930s.


ellean4

We have a giant church bell called the Revere Bell which is one of the few that exist today outside of New England in the US


MissLute

it's also the only revere bell outside the US


twentythreesixsix

Oldest bank in Singapore is actually… Credit Agricole!


_sagittarivs

I tried to google only to see that it opened a branch in 1905, as compared to The Chartered Bank that opened a branch in 1859 and HSBC which opened in 1877.


twentythreesixsix

Oh definitely my bad – typed too soon!


twentythreesixsix

[https://www.smart-towkay.com/blog/view/280-the-history-of-banking-in-singapore](https://www.smart-towkay.com/blog/view/280-the-history-of-banking-in-singapore) "It may come as a surprise to most people that Singapore has been hosting many foreign banks since the 19th century when we were a British colony. The Union Bank of Calcutta (a precursor to the present State Bank of India) was the first bank to begin operations in Singapore in 1840." Ooooooh actually!!


lexuanhai2401

There is still one remaining kampong left in Singapore: Kampong Lorong Buangkok, which is located next to a canal and is near Buangkok Square Mall.


isk_one

Originally, the singapore navy was filled with Malays and Orang Laut who could read the tides, layout of the straits etc. Government booted them out and filled them with Chinese only.


kuailezouyun

The quiet genocide...


Rooster4633

First plane that landed in Singapore was on Race Course Road, which is today's Farrer Park area.


kuailezouyun

Most of the early Chinese migrant women came here as prostitutes/sex workers, so SG is technically a country of sex worker descendants! Ironically the modern day SG girl is kind of the polar opposite, iykyk...


Standard_Ad_3707

Some people think Singapore left Malaysia voluntarily. She didn’t. She was kicked out of it.


kuang89

There are 6 merlion statues in Singapore


justnotjuliet

The current RI plot was billed as Bishan JC in the initial stage of construction.


mainsail999

Singapore became a member of the ASEAN (Aug 8, 1967) even before it established diplomatic relations with Indonesia (Sept 7, 1967), Philippines (May 16, 1969), Vietnam (Aug 1, 1973), Laos (Dec 2, 1974), Brunei (Jan 1, 1984), and East Timor (May 20, 2002).


wsahn7

Sophia Road, Selegie Road, Prinsep Street and Short Street once had a sizable Jewish population in SG. today one of the few historical reminders left in the area are the 1. David Elias Building (beside Rochor tau huey) with its prominent Star of David symbol and 2. Maghain Aboth synagogue at Waterloo street. many of the Jewish community during those times attended St Andrew's School, with prominent personalities like David Marshall, Jacob Ballas, Harry Elias in more recent times, Andrew Lim (from Under One Roof days) converted to Judaism in 2002, adopted a Jewish name (Ethan Eliyahu Avraham)


Ok-Imagination-494

Singapore is one of the few countries to have had a Jewish Head of Government (David Marshal)


bukitbukit

And even rarer, a Baghdadi Jew. Other notable ones in Asia are Lord Kadoorie of Hong Kong, the tycoon and the Sassoon family.


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redhead2734

The word Bugis refers to a race. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugis#:\~:text=The%20Bugis%20people%2C%20also%20known,third%2Dlargest%20island%20of%20Indonesia.


redhead2734

A few countries banned delivering sand to Singapore because we reclaimed too much. https://www.sg101.gov.sg/infrastructure/case-studies/sand/#:\~:text=Singapore%20has%20stated%20that%20we,all%20sand%20exports%20to%20Singapore.


IllustriousMess5480

Singapore was under the Tamil empire called the Chola Empire, a technologically advanced sea faring civilisation 1000- 1500 years ago The original name was Singapuram which is actually a Tamil name . The suffix "puram" in Tamil city names typically refers to a place or a town. It is commonly used as a suffix in South Indian city names to denote a settlement or a locality. For example, *Kanchipuram* refers to the town of Kanchi, and *Ramanathapuram* refers to the town of Ramanath. [Chola dynasty and Singapore ](https://sea.mashable.com/science/8195/singapore-possibly-had-connections-with-indian-chola-dynasty-1000-years-ago) Kanchipuram Ramanathapuram Singapuram


Frequent_Computer583

Singapore used to have a prison on an island called Pulau Senang back in 1960 but failed horribly after 3 years with a massive riot that led to the death of the superintendent. Very interesting piece I recently learnt from CNA: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna-insider/singapore-prison-without-walls-1960s-riot-island-pulau-senang-3235821