1. Most latinamericans don’t give a shit about Spain.
2. Many many many spaniards are very racist/xenophobic/condescending towards us. That plus how they’re portrayed in our history books and well…
Bro my cousin who is white would get beat up in Spain at a private school as a kid just for being from South America. They would call him colonist and sudaco
They sure love their slurs. For that reason I find latinos that simp for Spain so pathetic. You worship your coloniser and yet if you go there there’s a good chance you’ll be treated like shit for having a different accent or not being white.
Yes and for this reason I cannot recommend that South Americans live there for this reason. There are great Spanish people ofc but the fact that I’ve run into a couple racist Spaniards and I don’t even live there.
I don't understand them at all.
My nephew went there to do veterinary school in Zaragoza in September. He was all "Peru sucks. I hate it here. Spain is amazing."
He didn't even make it to final exams. He just quit because he could not it take it.
Majority of us are indifferent to Spain, same with Spanish people to us. My mother does have a particular distaste for them because she had a lot of xenophobic experiences in Spain. I think because of this some latin americans may have a negative view.
I’m a big nerd of languages, I’m open to learning any of my coworkers languages. At least basics. But wow. The Madrid dialect is nails on chalkboard. It’s so strange bc by contrast Venezuelan and Colombian Spanish is like honey to the ears.
Mainly cause Spaniards tend to be really xenophobic / racist towards the Latino community, and they tend to be really condescending too, they also love denying their historical wrongdoings claiming they came to “calm down” and “civilize” the “barbaric indigenous people”
I dunno about how things went up there in New Spain, but here in Peru the "colonizers" ended up killing each other for money... that doesn't seem civilised to me.
I saw in Quito once a super small mural 11 de octubre 1492 nada a celebrar.
It really made an impact on me and got me thinking. I’m in no place to judge and my own country has its bad history with Latin America but I was wondering in my head if part of the reason Latin American countries have had many economic difficulties is because of the conquistadors extracting as much gold and silver as possible.
It also made another impact on me because my wife knows many people who did emigrate to Spain and I was curious about the attitude towards Spain and she told me that her opinion is essentially it was hundreds of years ago, no one alive now was alive then, there’s no point hating a country that’s not even the same now as then, and it’s better to stop living in the past to try and solve the problems of today, which also made me start thinking and wondering why others can’t or won’t think similarly.
🤷♀️ I’m just a simple blanquito so Iunno
The condescension is something I heard a lot from people living there, like a lot of Spaniards aren't purposefully racist, but they genuinely believe that the empire did the Americas a favor by colonizing them and will say as much when having a conversation with a Latin American
It's the same with the English/UK. They aren't taught about their atrocities in school but are taught that their former great empire was doing the world an amazing service.
To be fair, they did bring some good along with the bad, but I do find Spanish people to be “aloof” or ignorant on many realities of Latino Americans. Nice people, but a bit dim.
Lol fuck that. "Yeah, they raped and pillaged our communities ,systematically destroyed our culture and way of life, but they did build some nice architecture!"
The “some good”; hospitals, universities, western institutions, and most important, a unifying language to bring everyone together, that’s the “some good”
“Intentionally malicious” is a stretch, It’s clear you have some learning to do as well. I know it’s easy to use colonization as an excuse for why things are the way they are, but I’d say that’s more out of its own doing in regard to independence and the Mexican government during that time. But yeah “white Spanish man scary, I’m just a poor, weak, incompetent Indio”
Una vez tuve una discusion con un don ya mayor en un bar a altas horas de la noche en Madrid y el cabron en serio creia que nos hicieron un favor al colonizarnos, especificamente a Mexico. Casi se me da una embolia.
EXACTLY. i get mistaken for latinamerican a lot due to the way i look/dress and my (very strong) caribbean accent in spanish. the things they say to me are horrifying.
and i can say the same for people in portugal. i speak portuguese to but with a strong são paulo accent, and it’s the exact same thing with portuguese people.
Yeah, and also how they treat the African immigrants (Morocco, Senegal, etc.), sometimes denying that racism is a problem in Spain, but like I said it’s a systemic issue, it’s made out to be normal to them
i have seen it because i live there, it happens to me, it happens to my friends, though i can take it. facing some ignorant european pendejos with a superiority complex is much better than what i would go through back home. it’s hard to stay strong being an immigrant in spain, but we must.
I think the racism in Spain is pretty evident when just last year they made and 'hanged' an effigy of Vini Junior in the middle of Madrid. Which was far from an isolated case, considering how popular Futebol is there.
1 dude that said I wasn’t brown enough to be Mexican.
Sadly, in the US I’m not white enough to “white pass” but not too brown to be “Latino”, and people make sure to let you know that every chance they have, it’s tiring, even other US Latinos.
Also, in the US i have been explicitly called slurs (for speaking Spanish), or being put in weird positions.
Once I was in a work trip in Detroit, and I said to one of my coworkers how much I was enjoying my time there, for which they said: “says a lot about Mexico”, in front of other people, and no one called them out.
I’ve met a couple yeah, mainly online interactions tho, although it’s not all bad, on Halloween we invited this random girl with this random guy who happened to be Spanish to drink with my family and I, he was pretty cool we even started speaking German since I’m learning
But I’m more so criticizing what they’ve been taught, I’m not saying “oh Spanish people bad !!!”, im criticizing a systemic issue
Well. I can understand since i had more contact to Spaish collegues, and my first chock was when we discussed about americas and fout of them basically said ne that before spain and portugal, America was a geoup of barbarians cannibals, and that Pinzon was a Hero.
I tried to have a normal conversation, but the capacity of empathy wa very low. Then i had a pre-and-post-judice about that.
At least Costa Rica was in fact populated by people who ritually killed virgins and ate them. Such things weren’t isolated either. A full generalization may be misguided, but it’s easy to see it’s not pure fantasy.
There were some witch-hunt early on in the colonial period in LatinAmerica, also in Puritan New England. Nothing on the scale of the Euro Burning Times though
Have you heard of El Güegüense? It’s pretty fascinating. It’s Nicaragua’s most famous and popular play and it’s all about indigenous or native Nicaraguans making fun of Spanish colonists (portraying them with donkey heads, for example). Its origins are from indigenous communities and it was translated into Spanish sometime in the late 1800s or early 1900s I believe. Source: my family is Nica
Yea I've heard about it. I have one of the characters as a keychain, that I bought in diriamba while visiting with my grandpa (who was born in diriamba, but my knowledge of it is limited, I moved to Canada at like 6 years old and haven't visted here since I was 10, so I've only first heard about it till very recently
Diriamba is actually the origin of the Güegüense! So yeah, I think the play signifies some historical tension against the Spanish. That could be a reason
I’ve been to Spain several times and my favorite time of day are the early mornings when most people are still asleep. I was also surprised whenever I interacted with a cordial person as most were miserable. That said, I’m sure it doesn’t reflect everyone.
Same experience. Been there many times, have family there, have a Spanish passport, I’m white af… and yet the one thing I always notice of Spaniards is that they’re just like a bunch of Karens running around. The vast majority with pissed off faces and horrible attitudes. Service people are constantly on a power trip instead of being helpful. It’s a weird culture. And I think when a South American comes around that is clearly better off and more successful than 99% of them, they get extra sour and their ex-empire chip on the shoulder REALLY shows. Shitty people in general.
Yeah, I should add that I am also white and I also have family in Spain. My grandpa was the only one born in Chile. I grew up with Spanish family who were súper comemierdas. Never liked them even as a kid. Sour is an apt description.
Your premise is wrong, we for the most part do not care to hate them. Like every country there are people that are just nasty and bigoted but most Spaniards I've met here are pretty chill but I've encountered a few in my travels outside the country that act as if their farts didn't smell. To those, f\*ck them.
More than hate it's a kind of distate, I remember before social media was big that it was a usual occurrence where spanish people were totally unable/unwilling to understand any latin american accent but we were expected to understand them perfectly as if they didn't have a thick accent. That kind of arrogance and as the other points up condescending leads to a dislike that isn't as intense as hate, and even when things change old trashtalk and jokes don't go away.
Me too; I live the Pacific Northwest of the US, and when I visited Bilbao in Basque Country, it reminded me a lot of Portland, Oregon. I’ve never been to Chile, but it strikes me as similar (weather wise, the PNW, northern Spain, and southern Chile all seem very similar as well).
Historical reasons: even though the spanish colonization model proved less brutal than that of other european countries, 300 years of subjugation, exploitation and discrimination are not easily forgotten and the consequences of spanish domination are still felt to this day. In Perú this feeling is specially present, as we have a big indigenous/mestizo population, and much of the extracted resources that allowed spanish splendor came from us. Hell, their last attempt to take us over was in 1862, not really that long ago.
Now, i’m not the kind to ask for reparations for something that happened so long ago but Spain’s posture on this tends to be kind of… hypocritical. They like to present themselves as the leader/speaker of the spanish-speaking world, but are never there in terms of cooperation or even recognising that they were on the wrong. It’s like an absent father.
Current: spanish people (and actually most of the first world, but in my experience spaniards are a more common offender) tend to be pretty discriminatory with Latinos, and don’t really understand the problems of the third world. They tend to come off as really ignorant when discussing these themes.
>They like to present themselves as the leader/speaker of the spanish-speaking world, but are never there in terms of cooperation
What kind of cooperation would you hope for?
Yes, it has a lot to do with colonialism, also Spanish and Europeans in general have a long track record of being racist and xenophobic towards latinamericans. Personally I don't hate Spain, I just dgaf about them enough to hate them, but also had to learn to be extra wary around them because my experience has taught me I have to.
I don't think it's particularly a Nicaragua thing per se. From my own experience, the Spanish tend to be quite xenophobic. I was introduced by some friends to a Spaniard while traveling abroad in Europe. Everything was fine up until I told him that I was of Nicaraguan descent. Then, his whole demeanor changed. This means he was fine with my appearance and attitude, but my background, not so much.
spanish people are often racist and condescending towards latin americans.
and i know there's enough of that between countries but its extra salt on the wound
According to Wikipedia.
> The Francophone part of North America which includes Quebec and Acadia is generally excluded from the definition of Latin America.
I'm from Montreal and you would be correct because that is not a thing. Looking at OP's name and post history, something tells me he might not even be from Quebec.
I'm from Montreal and essentially no québécois of non-Brazilian or hispanic background would call himself Latino with a straight face or without asterisks. Even Quebec nationalists and pro-independence folks usually don't go for that angle.
At most they'd recognize the technical truth that since French is a Romance language, they could be "Latin Americans" by that definition but only the most hardcore LARPers would identify as Latino.
Quebec's history, economy, and culture are too firmly embedded in Anglo North America for most people here to feel kinship with actual Latinos. Latin America is typically amalgamated into this monstruous megablob called "Le Sud" (a.k.a. the South a.k.a. the developing world).
I think your reasoning boils down to Quebec not being a country more than anything. It too is located in the Americas. It’s argued that parts of the US are also Latin America - the parts that are heavily influenced by Latinos/Latin language. I think it’s more fluid than black and white. Look at the French influence on Quebec, Montreal, New Orleans, the Spanish influence on wherever Mexico was until the US captured the territories. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, etc.
If you’ve ever been to any of those North American areas, their *Latin American* influence is very obvious.
Google “define Latin America”
“Latin America is a collective region of the Americas where Romance languages—languages derived from Latin—are predominantly spoken. The term was coined in France in the mid-19th century to refer to regions in the Americas that were ruled by the Spanish, Portuguese, and French empires.”
I live in North America specifically the US and I’ve been in some of the states you mentioned. A Canadian from Montreal has came on this thread saying quebecois in his daily life don’t identify as Latino for a few reasons already listed if you’d like to give them a read.
I have family in New Orleans and Quebec and none of them identify as being Latino despite speaking a language that derives from a Romance language. In most definitions North American French populations simply aren’t included and they also don’t consider themselves to be such because they aren’t taught to.
1) No quebecois in real life has ever referred to themselves as being Latino. They’d look at you confused to be honest. Except maybe this guy who wants to be apart of the subreddit in a more intimate way I guess.
2) because in the definition of the term Latin American they are generally excluded and are not taught as being such.
There is not such thing as a hatred of Spain but rather distate as a result of their condescending attitude and racist/xenophobic tendencies, something I even suffered despite me being whiter than everyone at school and my city and having a decent accent for someone who came from Ukraine.
Cubans idolize Spain for whatever reason, and most will brag about how Spanish they are depending on their closest relative. Including Fidel & co.
I don't really care too much, I don't feel any kind of tie to the country, my dad loves blasting Real Madrid podcasts in the living room of his house, though
It's usually done out of racism/perceived superiority. Dated quite a lot of them. At least if you ask them, they'll be blunt and actually state as such. Cubans have no qualms about admitting their bullshit. Cuba is a complicated mess, though, because they're EQUALLY, if not more so proud of their African contributions. I think the thing with Cuba is that they weaned off Spain's tit rather late compared to the rest. I believe early 1900s. A lot of Cubans have recent and long drawn out branches in Spain because of it hence why a lot have this attitude.
>Cubans idolize Spain for whatever reason, and most will brag about how Spanish they are depending on their closest relative
Pretty much racism. What they are trying to say "we are not black/indigenous."
Cuba remained with Spain until 1900…and there are still many pure Spaniards in Cuba. Most of them didn’t mix , and there are just about 0-1% mestizos in Cuba , lots of mulattoes
This is totally anecdotal but I found them to be extremely cold/impersonal (to the point of being rude often) and pretty racist/xenophobic. Like if you think people from the US are racist, ask a Spaniard what they think of Moroccans.
I knew a couple who moved to Spain for work reasons. Although they were both Brazilians the man was black and the woman white and because of that he was treated way harsher by Spanish people than she ever did.
Understandable. Spain and Italy may face off as the most racist (or at least xenophobic) countries in Europe every year. But that pales in comparison to the foreign actions (hypocrisy, sanctimony) of us, uk, France.
Couldn't you reserve that second spot for any country more relevant? Come on now, the poor Portuguese are reduced to complain about our language and delusions of grandeur
I should’ve added that I dislike the US a lot more than Portugal. Maybe I would not call it “disliking”, but a general wariness (especially with stuff like xenophobia and racism).
I think most answers are lacking in critical self-awareness. To give a counterpoint to them, there are three reasons I can point to:
1- The national construction of Latin American countries: Latin American identities were formed in opposition to Spain and around independence from it. National narratives (origin stories) are told as “us”against “them”, with “them” being Spain; they have national heroes who fought against Spain. I’ll add that since [national narratives](https://fr-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Roman_national?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp) aren’t serious History, they aren’t very truthful; for example you won’t often hear how Bolivar was a full Spanish subject. Or the efforts of the people of “the two Spains”[in Cadiz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Constitution_of_1812) of creating a Parliament with representatives from Latin America.
2- [The Black Legend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend_(Spain)): This was mostly created by northern European protestants during the bloody century of the Reformation, but it stuck very effectively. The whole thing can be summarized as “Spain bad”, a caricature of Spain based off *almost* true facts.
3- A political ideology based on resentment. I can’t think of a nicer way of naming it. If you follow political discourse in Latin America you’ve surely seen it: The region has been held back by others. It’s the typical blaming of *the other*, mixed with a “pan-Latinism”. Here *us* is Latin America and *them* is first Spain and then the US. I actually think this has abated, especially after the failure of “21st century socialism”. Anyway, if you want to see this in all its glory you can read [the classic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Veins_of_Latin_America) “Las Venas Abiertas de América Latina”.
Apart from these, I don’t take seriously the idea that “Spaniards are xenophobic”, since such supposed xenophobia is much less than people (with little direct exposure to Spain) think. And from what I’ve seen it always comes down to someone knowing someone who had a bad experience. I myself after years living in Spain cannot cite a single xenophobic incident, not against myself nor any of my friends from Latin America.
Take this in contrast with Germany: all Latin Americans I know who’ve lived in Germany have told me they have experienced xenophobic incidents, and yet you don’t see such hate of Germans in Latin America. If anything Germany is looked up to. So even if I’d been particularly lucky, you would see other countries getting shit on more than Spain if it were because of racism.
>The national construction of Latin American countries: Latin American identities were formed in opposition to Spain
Well, in our case it was the contraty, it was actually promoting our euro heritage
Our case was different because we didn’t do anything to become independent. So the national narrative was made in opposition to American filibusters.
Political discourse changes with time though. Significantly October 12 isn’t a holiday anymore.
Yes, that’s was a big par of the identity. But I’m talking about the national *narrative*. The story we’re told in school with battles, heroes, ideals of patriotism, that kind of thing. Other countries use independence here and Costa Rica uses the filibuster wars.
Well that's pretty fucking stupid on your part, disregarding a whole country just because you heard "too many 1st person accounts".
Pretty on point for a gringo.
It is 100% about the colonial history. For example, France invaded us but people generally don't perceive a historical grievance against them. Our education system also portrays the Spanish colonial system as oppressive and racist. Of course, these things are true, but what we learn in school is so nationalistic that it doesn't allow for any nuance. And I think this turns into a feeling of resentment against Spaniards.
I think it's indifference especially given how they treat Latin Americans unless the target is of interest to them (as in to bed them). They think they're the salt of the Earth. It's one thing to be proud and it's another to be an ass.
I believe Argentina is the one culture that stuck out most to me for its love of Spain but again it kinda makes sense given its history and ideals. Not so much the rest. I have noted the most marked loathing of Spain by Nicaragua and Peru.
As for outside the Hispanic nations, I believe Brazilians have a sort of mostly hate for Portugal and forming a slight disdain for the US. For the Francophone Latin Nations, good ol' Frenchie and we can't blame them as France was cruel mistress. For the anglophilic Latin nations, Jolly Old UK is, uh, "special". In short we all sideeye our European fathers (or "mother" in terms of France, the country sort of acts like a mean woman so I'm gonna go and say it's sage to refer to it as "she"). Spain is a "he", so is the UK, I believe Portugal operates like a "he".
As a Brazilian we mostly don't care too much about Portugal, usually they are only mentioned when we joke on them losing all the gold they pillage from us to the British.
As for the US is a bit trickier, most Brazilians see them as the nation that works, somewhat of an developed utopia because of their high GDP, technological development and military power as well as the 'land of freedom' motif from movies. But the US is far from being friendly to us, Operation Condor is obviously a reminder to all LATAM of how the Yankees see us but in our case there is also the espionage that come to light in 2013, where then president Dilma Rousseff was target and Brazil was listed in a category as possible 'enemy, friend or problem' which highlight how the USA sees Brazil.
*Devuelvan el oro*
But unironically, Far_Fisherman1398 is right. Most if not everyone I know doesn't really give Spain a second thought, and their overall condescending view of LATAM isn't doing them any favors
People who claim that Spaniards are racist probably haven't met one in their lifetime, but it is also very common for a lot of people in Latin America to have a victim mentality that everybody hates us.
Not at all, I am Colombian and work with Spaniards all the time of different social backgrounds and most of them are respectful and even interested in my country. Most people don't dislike Latin Americans at all.
Now, sometimes people make fun of the accent, but honestly speaking we make fun of everbody's accents. Argentina and Mexico are there too.
It's the same kind of people that say stuff in social media like: "now everyone wants to be Latino, but they used to hate us." Most people are neutral and by the way, there is by far more animosity here against Venezuelans than any other nationality.
I'm not gonna say every Spaniard is racist but it's weird that you don't believe us when we say we have experienced racism or xenophobia at their hands. Why would so many people just lie about that??
It is not that they lie, it's that they misinterpret things, because they live in a state of perpetual victimhood.
Many times they assume someone is racist, because they didn't smile back when greeting or because they didn't want to sit next to them in the bus. Stuff like that.
Spot on. It’s this inherited inferiority complex, we see a white man and immediately think of how we were victimized instead of shaking that belief and empowering ourselves by viewing them as peers, equals. I work with a few Spanish ladies and before meeting them I had a bias towards Spaniards because of the history, but after getting to know them and become friends, this perceived “superiority” isn’t apparent. They’re regular ass people, one loves Latin American culture and another finds Hispanics to be lazy, it varies like any population. If anything they’re more “aloof” than most people and very direct to the point where it could be considered rude. I haven’t had any interactions with Spanish men though so that may play differently
Never really heard anyone give a shit about Spain when I lived in Nicaragua. Your dad might have an (unhealthy, but likely not unfounded) obsession if he truly talks shit about them all the time...
Spaniards like to think they’re better than us, but the only reason they’re in a “rich” country it’s because daddy EU pumps millions of euros in the country.
Realistically Spain is one of the [poorest](https://x.com/alexrecouso/status/1729592828886450438?s=61&t=jTEbxR12dnjGCJdx4GQABQ) countries in the EU.
I'm white, Colombian and full on accent (Paisa), lived in Spain for many years, only had one incident with racism.
There's no "hate towards spain", only people who are terminally online believe that.
many(Spainards) are openly bigoted or systematically unsympathetic. At the end of the day I'd honestly rather know you are bigoted or such . Makes it easier to identify and navigate life . They can't really do a whole lot other than verbalize or posture themselves as superior. We ourselves have to come to terms that many nations in the Americas fought them and were successful enough to remove their hegemony. Hopefully with enough of our own efforts we can manage to make a better future for ourselves with out having the weight of the past crush our resolve. And to the ones who aren't bigoted and unsympathetic I hope they are able educate their future generations to be as such.
I don’t dislike Spain or Spaniards, I do hate celebrating anything related to la Conquista but other than that I have no issue with the “current” Spain. I don’t know if they’re racist because I have never had a bad situation but when my family drove through Spain it felt a little weird in the very small town in between major cities. I could pass as Spaniard until I opened my mouth but my wife is darker and had braids at that time so it felt a little tense but it was uneventful
Idk. There are a lot of well-known jokes that are established in the culture lol.
My dad (boomer) doesn’t hate (nor care about) Spaniards but he sometimes will make these classical jokes about them (especially with “gallegos”).
I think it is mostly because their accent sounds funny 😆 and they use weird words like “vosotros”.
Usually if Spain is brought up at all it’s about a trip/education etc someones tio who moved there maybe.
I don’t really see a hatred or mass resentment in that way
1. Most latinamericans don’t give a shit about Spain. 2. Many many many spaniards are very racist/xenophobic/condescending towards us. That plus how they’re portrayed in our history books and well…
Pretty much this. The idea that Spaniards live rent free in our heads is massively overrepresented online.
Bro my cousin who is white would get beat up in Spain at a private school as a kid just for being from South America. They would call him colonist and sudaco
The only Europeans to ever call me racial slurs were Spaniards lmao (and I'm White 😭). They're a hateful bunch.
My bfs' ex roommate looked up slurs to use on me. He found "coffee bean". So thats that
They sure love their slurs. For that reason I find latinos that simp for Spain so pathetic. You worship your coloniser and yet if you go there there’s a good chance you’ll be treated like shit for having a different accent or not being white.
Yes and for this reason I cannot recommend that South Americans live there for this reason. There are great Spanish people ofc but the fact that I’ve run into a couple racist Spaniards and I don’t even live there.
I don't understand them at all. My nephew went there to do veterinary school in Zaragoza in September. He was all "Peru sucks. I hate it here. Spain is amazing." He didn't even make it to final exams. He just quit because he could not it take it.
They're things I hate and then there's latinos that suck up to Spain right below those things
Majority of us are indifferent to Spain, same with Spanish people to us. My mother does have a particular distaste for them because she had a lot of xenophobic experiences in Spain. I think because of this some latin americans may have a negative view.
I dont dislike Spain. I like it. I just think they have a goofy way of speaking. And i like teasing them.
It wasnt lost on me ;)
Ni tanto prefiero al acento los weones del mejor país de Chile que a los tiosh Eshpañoletes
Basado
Añadan a EL Salvador a la corta lista de países que no son enemigos
I’m a big nerd of languages, I’m open to learning any of my coworkers languages. At least basics. But wow. The Madrid dialect is nails on chalkboard. It’s so strange bc by contrast Venezuelan and Colombian Spanish is like honey to the ears.
This!
Same, but I've noticed that a lot of ppl, at least in Nicaragua dislike Spain
Ostia tío! Vosotros sois unos gilipollas!
Mainly cause Spaniards tend to be really xenophobic / racist towards the Latino community, and they tend to be really condescending too, they also love denying their historical wrongdoings claiming they came to “calm down” and “civilize” the “barbaric indigenous people”
I dunno about how things went up there in New Spain, but here in Peru the "colonizers" ended up killing each other for money... that doesn't seem civilised to me.
I saw in Quito once a super small mural 11 de octubre 1492 nada a celebrar. It really made an impact on me and got me thinking. I’m in no place to judge and my own country has its bad history with Latin America but I was wondering in my head if part of the reason Latin American countries have had many economic difficulties is because of the conquistadors extracting as much gold and silver as possible. It also made another impact on me because my wife knows many people who did emigrate to Spain and I was curious about the attitude towards Spain and she told me that her opinion is essentially it was hundreds of years ago, no one alive now was alive then, there’s no point hating a country that’s not even the same now as then, and it’s better to stop living in the past to try and solve the problems of today, which also made me start thinking and wondering why others can’t or won’t think similarly. 🤷♀️ I’m just a simple blanquito so Iunno
The condescension is something I heard a lot from people living there, like a lot of Spaniards aren't purposefully racist, but they genuinely believe that the empire did the Americas a favor by colonizing them and will say as much when having a conversation with a Latin American
It's the same with the English/UK. They aren't taught about their atrocities in school but are taught that their former great empire was doing the world an amazing service.
I though england was more aware of it, (since they have many african, indian, etc.. citizens and stuff like black lives matter are huge there)
To be fair, they did bring some good along with the bad, but I do find Spanish people to be “aloof” or ignorant on many realities of Latino Americans. Nice people, but a bit dim.
Lol fuck that. "Yeah, they raped and pillaged our communities ,systematically destroyed our culture and way of life, but they did build some nice architecture!"
The “some good”; hospitals, universities, western institutions, and most important, a unifying language to bring everyone together, that’s the “some good”
It makes sense that you are from the US.
You're either not very bright or intentionally malicious, either way you have some learning to do
“Intentionally malicious” is a stretch, It’s clear you have some learning to do as well. I know it’s easy to use colonization as an excuse for why things are the way they are, but I’d say that’s more out of its own doing in regard to independence and the Mexican government during that time. But yeah “white Spanish man scary, I’m just a poor, weak, incompetent Indio”
You're embarrassing your nation. I wouldn't care, but it's my nation too, so with respect, I suggest that you stop.
Reddit moment.
Or what? What does it matter to you? We can’t have different opinions on this? We have to be in lockstep agreement?
Una vez tuve una discusion con un don ya mayor en un bar a altas horas de la noche en Madrid y el cabron en serio creia que nos hicieron un favor al colonizarnos, especificamente a Mexico. Casi se me da una embolia.
EXACTLY. i get mistaken for latinamerican a lot due to the way i look/dress and my (very strong) caribbean accent in spanish. the things they say to me are horrifying. and i can say the same for people in portugal. i speak portuguese to but with a strong são paulo accent, and it’s the exact same thing with portuguese people.
Yeah, and also how they treat the African immigrants (Morocco, Senegal, etc.), sometimes denying that racism is a problem in Spain, but like I said it’s a systemic issue, it’s made out to be normal to them
i have seen it because i live there, it happens to me, it happens to my friends, though i can take it. facing some ignorant european pendejos with a superiority complex is much better than what i would go through back home. it’s hard to stay strong being an immigrant in spain, but we must.
I think the racism in Spain is pretty evident when just last year they made and 'hanged' an effigy of Vini Junior in the middle of Madrid. Which was far from an isolated case, considering how popular Futebol is there.
i remember. it was disgusting. and when we call them out on their racism they’re like “go back to your country” when we literally can’t.
Damn you met a Spaniard with this opinion? Pretty archaic and racist way of thinking.
I did a semester in Madrid and a lot of people think like that. One even denied me being Mexican because I wasn’t brown enough.
I’m Moroccan and Mexican, imagine how they feel about me LMAO
Habibi!
So USA racist level, huh?
In my almost 40 years of life, I've never had a racist experience in the U.S. but my only racist experience was in England by a Spaniard.
Nah, it was just 1 dude among many. In the US it’s very different, some people mad at you for existing (being Mexican).
> I did a semester in Madrid and a lot of people think like that. > Nah, it was just 1 dude among many. So which one is it?
1 dude that said I wasn’t brown enough to be Mexican. Sadly, in the US I’m not white enough to “white pass” but not too brown to be “Latino”, and people make sure to let you know that every chance they have, it’s tiring, even other US Latinos. Also, in the US i have been explicitly called slurs (for speaking Spanish), or being put in weird positions. Once I was in a work trip in Detroit, and I said to one of my coworkers how much I was enjoying my time there, for which they said: “says a lot about Mexico”, in front of other people, and no one called them out.
I’ve met a couple yeah, mainly online interactions tho, although it’s not all bad, on Halloween we invited this random girl with this random guy who happened to be Spanish to drink with my family and I, he was pretty cool we even started speaking German since I’m learning But I’m more so criticizing what they’ve been taught, I’m not saying “oh Spanish people bad !!!”, im criticizing a systemic issue
Well. I can understand since i had more contact to Spaish collegues, and my first chock was when we discussed about americas and fout of them basically said ne that before spain and portugal, America was a geoup of barbarians cannibals, and that Pinzon was a Hero. I tried to have a normal conversation, but the capacity of empathy wa very low. Then i had a pre-and-post-judice about that.
At least Costa Rica was in fact populated by people who ritually killed virgins and ate them. Such things weren’t isolated either. A full generalization may be misguided, but it’s easy to see it’s not pure fantasy.
Spain used to burn women because they made tea.
In general, Europeans and their descendants refuse to see the witch-hunts as the human sacrifices that they were.
Exactly
You speak about europeans as if americans didn't burn witches
There were some witch-hunt early on in the colonial period in LatinAmerica, also in Puritan New England. Nothing on the scale of the Euro Burning Times though
Why did witch hunts stop if they weren’t seen as an aberration?
Should’ve made coffee
I mean, you were metal before metal was discovered, don't look down on that
We dont even think about Spain.
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Never heard anyone hating on Spain or spanish people here.
I hate and like their dub in movies and tv shows. They sound so hilarious
I have to watch them with subtitles because their accents are not always "mutually intelligible".
Have you heard of El Güegüense? It’s pretty fascinating. It’s Nicaragua’s most famous and popular play and it’s all about indigenous or native Nicaraguans making fun of Spanish colonists (portraying them with donkey heads, for example). Its origins are from indigenous communities and it was translated into Spanish sometime in the late 1800s or early 1900s I believe. Source: my family is Nica
Yea I've heard about it. I have one of the characters as a keychain, that I bought in diriamba while visiting with my grandpa (who was born in diriamba, but my knowledge of it is limited, I moved to Canada at like 6 years old and haven't visted here since I was 10, so I've only first heard about it till very recently
Diriamba is actually the origin of the Güegüense! So yeah, I think the play signifies some historical tension against the Spanish. That could be a reason
I’ve been to Spain several times and my favorite time of day are the early mornings when most people are still asleep. I was also surprised whenever I interacted with a cordial person as most were miserable. That said, I’m sure it doesn’t reflect everyone.
Same experience. Been there many times, have family there, have a Spanish passport, I’m white af… and yet the one thing I always notice of Spaniards is that they’re just like a bunch of Karens running around. The vast majority with pissed off faces and horrible attitudes. Service people are constantly on a power trip instead of being helpful. It’s a weird culture. And I think when a South American comes around that is clearly better off and more successful than 99% of them, they get extra sour and their ex-empire chip on the shoulder REALLY shows. Shitty people in general.
Yeah, I should add that I am also white and I also have family in Spain. My grandpa was the only one born in Chile. I grew up with Spanish family who were súper comemierdas. Never liked them even as a kid. Sour is an apt description.
Your premise is wrong, we for the most part do not care to hate them. Like every country there are people that are just nasty and bigoted but most Spaniards I've met here are pretty chill but I've encountered a few in my travels outside the country that act as if their farts didn't smell. To those, f\*ck them.
Most Mexicans don’t give a fuck if Spain does something or not.
More than hate it's a kind of distate, I remember before social media was big that it was a usual occurrence where spanish people were totally unable/unwilling to understand any latin american accent but we were expected to understand them perfectly as if they didn't have a thick accent. That kind of arrogance and as the other points up condescending leads to a dislike that isn't as intense as hate, and even when things change old trashtalk and jokes don't go away.
I do hate them tho
I liked northern Spain a lot.
Me too; I live the Pacific Northwest of the US, and when I visited Bilbao in Basque Country, it reminded me a lot of Portland, Oregon. I’ve never been to Chile, but it strikes me as similar (weather wise, the PNW, northern Spain, and southern Chile all seem very similar as well).
Spain is the baby daddy that never wants to be there.
Technically Baby Mommy. La madre España moniker
1. Their accent is fun to make fun of 2. Colonizers
Historical reasons: even though the spanish colonization model proved less brutal than that of other european countries, 300 years of subjugation, exploitation and discrimination are not easily forgotten and the consequences of spanish domination are still felt to this day. In Perú this feeling is specially present, as we have a big indigenous/mestizo population, and much of the extracted resources that allowed spanish splendor came from us. Hell, their last attempt to take us over was in 1862, not really that long ago. Now, i’m not the kind to ask for reparations for something that happened so long ago but Spain’s posture on this tends to be kind of… hypocritical. They like to present themselves as the leader/speaker of the spanish-speaking world, but are never there in terms of cooperation or even recognising that they were on the wrong. It’s like an absent father. Current: spanish people (and actually most of the first world, but in my experience spaniards are a more common offender) tend to be pretty discriminatory with Latinos, and don’t really understand the problems of the third world. They tend to come off as really ignorant when discussing these themes.
>They like to present themselves as the leader/speaker of the spanish-speaking world, but are never there in terms of cooperation What kind of cooperation would you hope for?
Yes, it has a lot to do with colonialism, also Spanish and Europeans in general have a long track record of being racist and xenophobic towards latinamericans. Personally I don't hate Spain, I just dgaf about them enough to hate them, but also had to learn to be extra wary around them because my experience has taught me I have to.
I don't think it's particularly a Nicaragua thing per se. From my own experience, the Spanish tend to be quite xenophobic. I was introduced by some friends to a Spaniard while traveling abroad in Europe. Everything was fine up until I told him that I was of Nicaraguan descent. Then, his whole demeanor changed. This means he was fine with my appearance and attitude, but my background, not so much.
spanish people are often racist and condescending towards latin americans. and i know there's enough of that between countries but its extra salt on the wound
Hi Quebec! Love seeing French Latin America here. Yeah, just the fact that the Spanish colonized most of Latin America in the first place.
Yall consider Quebec Latin American?
It is by definition. They speak French, a Romance language.
According to Wikipedia. > The Francophone part of North America which includes Quebec and Acadia is generally excluded from the definition of Latin America.
>Generally I like to leave it as they can individually decide if they seem themselves as part or not
Beautiful attitude!
I knew I wasn’t crazy. I never heard of any quebecois calling themselves Latinos in any sense in real life
I'm from Montreal and you would be correct because that is not a thing. Looking at OP's name and post history, something tells me he might not even be from Quebec.
Exactly as I suspected. He’s trying to LARP
I'm from Montreal and essentially no québécois of non-Brazilian or hispanic background would call himself Latino with a straight face or without asterisks. Even Quebec nationalists and pro-independence folks usually don't go for that angle. At most they'd recognize the technical truth that since French is a Romance language, they could be "Latin Americans" by that definition but only the most hardcore LARPers would identify as Latino. Quebec's history, economy, and culture are too firmly embedded in Anglo North America for most people here to feel kinship with actual Latinos. Latin America is typically amalgamated into this monstruous megablob called "Le Sud" (a.k.a. the South a.k.a. the developing world).
Have you met a person from Quebec calling themselves Latino in real life?
Well, there's no Brazilian calling themselves Latino in real life either...
I’ve met several that do many times in different Anglo speaking countries mind you💀.
A lot of Brazilians that go to the U.S even get shocked when Americans call them Latino lol
This 100%. Only these dumb asses here trying to create a virtual happy Reddit world. *plays some Bob Marley and smokes a joint while at it.
I’m curious why it wouldn’t be. Brazil is Latin American, no?
Brazil is seen as Latin American due to historical, cultural, political, and geographical reasons. That’s a lot of factors pulling them in.
I think your reasoning boils down to Quebec not being a country more than anything. It too is located in the Americas. It’s argued that parts of the US are also Latin America - the parts that are heavily influenced by Latinos/Latin language. I think it’s more fluid than black and white. Look at the French influence on Quebec, Montreal, New Orleans, the Spanish influence on wherever Mexico was until the US captured the territories. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, etc. If you’ve ever been to any of those North American areas, their *Latin American* influence is very obvious. Google “define Latin America” “Latin America is a collective region of the Americas where Romance languages—languages derived from Latin—are predominantly spoken. The term was coined in France in the mid-19th century to refer to regions in the Americas that were ruled by the Spanish, Portuguese, and French empires.”
I live in North America specifically the US and I’ve been in some of the states you mentioned. A Canadian from Montreal has came on this thread saying quebecois in his daily life don’t identify as Latino for a few reasons already listed if you’d like to give them a read. I have family in New Orleans and Quebec and none of them identify as being Latino despite speaking a language that derives from a Romance language. In most definitions North American French populations simply aren’t included and they also don’t consider themselves to be such because they aren’t taught to.
1) No quebecois in real life has ever referred to themselves as being Latino. They’d look at you confused to be honest. Except maybe this guy who wants to be apart of the subreddit in a more intimate way I guess. 2) because in the definition of the term Latin American they are generally excluded and are not taught as being such.
❤️ a 🇬🇹 desde 🇨🇦
Not the Canadian flag please 😭
well we don't have quebec flag emoji
I know unfortunately but you have the ⚜️
Not here
We really don’t give a damn about Spain… They’re not one of us
There is not such thing as a hatred of Spain but rather distate as a result of their condescending attitude and racist/xenophobic tendencies, something I even suffered despite me being whiter than everyone at school and my city and having a decent accent for someone who came from Ukraine.
I like them better when they were Hispania Ulterior
Cubans idolize Spain for whatever reason, and most will brag about how Spanish they are depending on their closest relative. Including Fidel & co. I don't really care too much, I don't feel any kind of tie to the country, my dad loves blasting Real Madrid podcasts in the living room of his house, though
It's usually done out of racism/perceived superiority. Dated quite a lot of them. At least if you ask them, they'll be blunt and actually state as such. Cubans have no qualms about admitting their bullshit. Cuba is a complicated mess, though, because they're EQUALLY, if not more so proud of their African contributions. I think the thing with Cuba is that they weaned off Spain's tit rather late compared to the rest. I believe early 1900s. A lot of Cubans have recent and long drawn out branches in Spain because of it hence why a lot have this attitude.
>Cubans idolize Spain for whatever reason, and most will brag about how Spanish they are depending on their closest relative Pretty much racism. What they are trying to say "we are not black/indigenous."
Cuba remained with Spain until 1900…and there are still many pure Spaniards in Cuba. Most of them didn’t mix , and there are just about 0-1% mestizos in Cuba , lots of mulattoes
Curiously enough I have barely ever met white cubans.
also the country with arguably one of the proudest African traditions 🤔
You can have people who are racist and wash their hands with "African traditions".
cope harder
People forget that Fidel Castro was friends with Francisco Franco. Tankies will cope and seethe though lol.
They're from the same province, no? Los gallegos son hijos de puta por adn parece
It might be a nicaraguan thing, at least I haven’t heard of that in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Perú, etc
Yea that's what I've been thinking
This is totally anecdotal but I found them to be extremely cold/impersonal (to the point of being rude often) and pretty racist/xenophobic. Like if you think people from the US are racist, ask a Spaniard what they think of Moroccans.
What they think of Moroccans is solely based on how society in all its aspects is changing, largely due moroccan immigration.
What? Not here.
I'm from Nicaragua and never heard such a thing. Might be just your circle? Dunno but I don't even think about Spain.
We tend to idolize Spain here
I knew a couple who moved to Spain for work reasons. Although they were both Brazilians the man was black and the woman white and because of that he was treated way harsher by Spanish people than she ever did.
If you like history and politics it is hard not to see Spain with disgust. It has 100% to do with colonialism dude! what are you talking about!
I don't relate to that perception at all. We don't see them negatively and don't feel mistreated or anything of the sort.
Ah looks like the comments prove my dad right, those spanish guys are horrible!
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Understandable. Spain and Italy may face off as the most racist (or at least xenophobic) countries in Europe every year. But that pales in comparison to the foreign actions (hypocrisy, sanctimony) of us, uk, France.
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> people in the USA and Canada and Europe are idiots Would I be considered an idiot as well
Nah, people like Australia and NZ unanimously
extremely common New Zealand W
> I don't know if this thing has a name Ego preservation
Except that a lot of LatAms have experienced the US in the flesh. Mexicans doubly so. Not so sure about Spain.
I'd assume the hate towards the US / Canada is because of our more recent interactions with them, or rather how they interacted with our democracies.
I barely ever think about Spain. I dislike the US and Portugal a lot more.
Couldn't you reserve that second spot for any country more relevant? Come on now, the poor Portuguese are reduced to complain about our language and delusions of grandeur
What's wrong with Portugal bro
I should’ve added that I dislike the US a lot more than Portugal. Maybe I would not call it “disliking”, but a general wariness (especially with stuff like xenophobia and racism).
Now that I think about it, is Portugal to Brasil like what Spain is to the rest of LATAM?
Yes. Maybe even worse. lol
I think most answers are lacking in critical self-awareness. To give a counterpoint to them, there are three reasons I can point to: 1- The national construction of Latin American countries: Latin American identities were formed in opposition to Spain and around independence from it. National narratives (origin stories) are told as “us”against “them”, with “them” being Spain; they have national heroes who fought against Spain. I’ll add that since [national narratives](https://fr-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Roman_national?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp) aren’t serious History, they aren’t very truthful; for example you won’t often hear how Bolivar was a full Spanish subject. Or the efforts of the people of “the two Spains”[in Cadiz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Constitution_of_1812) of creating a Parliament with representatives from Latin America. 2- [The Black Legend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend_(Spain)): This was mostly created by northern European protestants during the bloody century of the Reformation, but it stuck very effectively. The whole thing can be summarized as “Spain bad”, a caricature of Spain based off *almost* true facts. 3- A political ideology based on resentment. I can’t think of a nicer way of naming it. If you follow political discourse in Latin America you’ve surely seen it: The region has been held back by others. It’s the typical blaming of *the other*, mixed with a “pan-Latinism”. Here *us* is Latin America and *them* is first Spain and then the US. I actually think this has abated, especially after the failure of “21st century socialism”. Anyway, if you want to see this in all its glory you can read [the classic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Veins_of_Latin_America) “Las Venas Abiertas de América Latina”. Apart from these, I don’t take seriously the idea that “Spaniards are xenophobic”, since such supposed xenophobia is much less than people (with little direct exposure to Spain) think. And from what I’ve seen it always comes down to someone knowing someone who had a bad experience. I myself after years living in Spain cannot cite a single xenophobic incident, not against myself nor any of my friends from Latin America. Take this in contrast with Germany: all Latin Americans I know who’ve lived in Germany have told me they have experienced xenophobic incidents, and yet you don’t see such hate of Germans in Latin America. If anything Germany is looked up to. So even if I’d been particularly lucky, you would see other countries getting shit on more than Spain if it were because of racism.
>The national construction of Latin American countries: Latin American identities were formed in opposition to Spain Well, in our case it was the contraty, it was actually promoting our euro heritage
Our case was different because we didn’t do anything to become independent. So the national narrative was made in opposition to American filibusters. Political discourse changes with time though. Significantly October 12 isn’t a holiday anymore.
To the filibusters? Wasnt the idea that we were "pure" iberians in central america and we were better and all that stuff?
Yes, that’s was a big par of the identity. But I’m talking about the national *narrative*. The story we’re told in school with battles, heroes, ideals of patriotism, that kind of thing. Other countries use independence here and Costa Rica uses the filibuster wars.
Never been to Spain and never will. I've heard too many 1st person accounts of how they treat LatAms.
aren’t you american?
Well that's pretty fucking stupid on your part, disregarding a whole country just because you heard "too many 1st person accounts". Pretty on point for a gringo.
It is 100% about the colonial history. For example, France invaded us but people generally don't perceive a historical grievance against them. Our education system also portrays the Spanish colonial system as oppressive and racist. Of course, these things are true, but what we learn in school is so nationalistic that it doesn't allow for any nuance. And I think this turns into a feeling of resentment against Spaniards.
I think it's indifference especially given how they treat Latin Americans unless the target is of interest to them (as in to bed them). They think they're the salt of the Earth. It's one thing to be proud and it's another to be an ass. I believe Argentina is the one culture that stuck out most to me for its love of Spain but again it kinda makes sense given its history and ideals. Not so much the rest. I have noted the most marked loathing of Spain by Nicaragua and Peru. As for outside the Hispanic nations, I believe Brazilians have a sort of mostly hate for Portugal and forming a slight disdain for the US. For the Francophone Latin Nations, good ol' Frenchie and we can't blame them as France was cruel mistress. For the anglophilic Latin nations, Jolly Old UK is, uh, "special". In short we all sideeye our European fathers (or "mother" in terms of France, the country sort of acts like a mean woman so I'm gonna go and say it's sage to refer to it as "she"). Spain is a "he", so is the UK, I believe Portugal operates like a "he".
As a Brazilian we mostly don't care too much about Portugal, usually they are only mentioned when we joke on them losing all the gold they pillage from us to the British. As for the US is a bit trickier, most Brazilians see them as the nation that works, somewhat of an developed utopia because of their high GDP, technological development and military power as well as the 'land of freedom' motif from movies. But the US is far from being friendly to us, Operation Condor is obviously a reminder to all LATAM of how the Yankees see us but in our case there is also the espionage that come to light in 2013, where then president Dilma Rousseff was target and Brazil was listed in a category as possible 'enemy, friend or problem' which highlight how the USA sees Brazil.
Dunno. I love Spain. I was just there too and was awesome.
It’s called resentment. There’s gratitude too but that is my feeling
*Devuelvan el oro* But unironically, Far_Fisherman1398 is right. Most if not everyone I know doesn't really give Spain a second thought, and their overall condescending view of LATAM isn't doing them any favors
People who claim that Spaniards are racist probably haven't met one in their lifetime, but it is also very common for a lot of people in Latin America to have a victim mentality that everybody hates us. Not at all, I am Colombian and work with Spaniards all the time of different social backgrounds and most of them are respectful and even interested in my country. Most people don't dislike Latin Americans at all. Now, sometimes people make fun of the accent, but honestly speaking we make fun of everbody's accents. Argentina and Mexico are there too. It's the same kind of people that say stuff in social media like: "now everyone wants to be Latino, but they used to hate us." Most people are neutral and by the way, there is by far more animosity here against Venezuelans than any other nationality.
I'm not gonna say every Spaniard is racist but it's weird that you don't believe us when we say we have experienced racism or xenophobia at their hands. Why would so many people just lie about that??
It is not that they lie, it's that they misinterpret things, because they live in a state of perpetual victimhood. Many times they assume someone is racist, because they didn't smile back when greeting or because they didn't want to sit next to them in the bus. Stuff like that.
Spot on. It’s this inherited inferiority complex, we see a white man and immediately think of how we were victimized instead of shaking that belief and empowering ourselves by viewing them as peers, equals. I work with a few Spanish ladies and before meeting them I had a bias towards Spaniards because of the history, but after getting to know them and become friends, this perceived “superiority” isn’t apparent. They’re regular ass people, one loves Latin American culture and another finds Hispanics to be lazy, it varies like any population. If anything they’re more “aloof” than most people and very direct to the point where it could be considered rude. I haven’t had any interactions with Spanish men though so that may play differently
Never really heard anyone give a shit about Spain when I lived in Nicaragua. Your dad might have an (unhealthy, but likely not unfounded) obsession if he truly talks shit about them all the time...
Spaniards like to think they’re better than us, but the only reason they’re in a “rich” country it’s because daddy EU pumps millions of euros in the country. Realistically Spain is one of the [poorest](https://x.com/alexrecouso/status/1729592828886450438?s=61&t=jTEbxR12dnjGCJdx4GQABQ) countries in the EU.
That's not how you measure poverty: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poorest-countries-in-europe
Some people just find satisfying to blame someone else for their own shit.
Honest self-assessment is difficult for individuals and impossible for groups
Those shitty Iberic localizations of them can't come from normal ppl. They're a very weird bunch.
This may be due to prejudice against Spain. Strange stereotypes that Spaniards are cruel and racist.
I'm white, Colombian and full on accent (Paisa), lived in Spain for many years, only had one incident with racism. There's no "hate towards spain", only people who are terminally online believe that.
I genuinely don't care enough to hate Spain. I just dislike the Madrid accent.
What did you expect dawg😭
Beautiful country but fuck Spain fr
many(Spainards) are openly bigoted or systematically unsympathetic. At the end of the day I'd honestly rather know you are bigoted or such . Makes it easier to identify and navigate life . They can't really do a whole lot other than verbalize or posture themselves as superior. We ourselves have to come to terms that many nations in the Americas fought them and were successful enough to remove their hegemony. Hopefully with enough of our own efforts we can manage to make a better future for ourselves with out having the weight of the past crush our resolve. And to the ones who aren't bigoted and unsympathetic I hope they are able educate their future generations to be as such.
I don’t dislike Spain or Spaniards, I do hate celebrating anything related to la Conquista but other than that I have no issue with the “current” Spain. I don’t know if they’re racist because I have never had a bad situation but when my family drove through Spain it felt a little weird in the very small town in between major cities. I could pass as Spaniard until I opened my mouth but my wife is darker and had braids at that time so it felt a little tense but it was uneventful
I'm completely indifferent to Spain, I'm not Hispanic.
Idk. There are a lot of well-known jokes that are established in the culture lol. My dad (boomer) doesn’t hate (nor care about) Spaniards but he sometimes will make these classical jokes about them (especially with “gallegos”). I think it is mostly because their accent sounds funny 😆 and they use weird words like “vosotros”.
Usually if Spain is brought up at all it’s about a trip/education etc someones tio who moved there maybe. I don’t really see a hatred or mass resentment in that way