I'm also in a doom spiral right now but a few things to remember:
* Change happens slowly in the U.S. Will it still be a bad time with bad things happening? Yes, most likely. Will it be the immediate death or imprisonment of all queer folks? No. Again, it's not going to be easy street, but it's not the apocalypse yet either.
* Trump winning, while a big concern right now, is not yet a forgone conclusion. A lot can happen in four months, especially in today's media, new-of-the-now driven culture. Maybe Biden will be super on the ball at the next debate. Maybe Trump will keel over from some new tanning based mega virus, who's to say?
* Biden hasn't actually changed. Only people's reaction to Biden. Granted, the debate was...a mess, but it's important for people to be reminded that his presidency has been doing generally fine, and we have no reason to think it won't continue to do so.
So. What now?
* Obviously, vote. Vote. Vote. Vote in every election, on every ballot measure, Vote. Vote. Vote.
* If you have the bandwidth, contribute to the candidates you like (volunteer, donate money, whatever you're able to do) or just to your communities in general. Volunteering, being vocal, or just being a lift raft for others who are scared. We stay safest by staying together and keeping strong.
* This is the least feasible and most alarmist but: get your documents and medications in order. This is a good thing to do REGARDLESS of the results of the election or your status as a queer person. Always have an emergency kit and plan in place including knowing where all your documents are and being able to get someplace safe in the event of a disaster (either natural or man made). Know what resources are around you (trans support groups, hospitals, anything that might be necessary in an emergency of any kind).
And lastly, what they WANT to do is keep you closeted and scared. If you can, and if you can SAFELY, be a resource for people who might be on the fence. I know this is generally eye-rolling advice but if you can be the friendly and human face of people who are affected by anti-queer legislation, be that. There are a number of people in my life who were pretty skeptical about trans-ness until we got to know each-other because all they ever knew about trans people were scary, aggressive, cartoonish figures being painted for them by Fox News. Obviously, don't hurt yourself trying to be this, and don't do it unless you can stomach a bit of...unfriendly behavior. It's absolutely cool if this isn't a role you can take. But the most effective vaccine against bigotry is knowledge.
Edit: Lastly, lastly: If you can stay and be a voting member of the public where-ever you are? Great! Do that. If you're in a state that is likely to be (or has already become) unsafe, see if you can manage to find a way out. Obviously this is HUGELY dependent on having the resources to do so but try reaching out to trans support groups in blue states, or friends who live in safer areas and see if there's anyway to get yourself someplace more friendly. A lot of this stuff will come down to state laws; 1850s style.
>Change happens slowly in the U.S. Will it still be a bad time with bad things happening? Yes, most likely. Will it be the immediate death or imprisonment of all queer folks? No. Again, it's not going to be easy street, but it's not the apocalypse yet either.
While change is slow here, he's said he will be a dictator on day 1. Believe him.
Nope. The best thing we can do to fight it is to continue to be ourselves. They want queer people to be back in the closet and erased. By openly expressing ourselves and being us we fight against them. Those who came before us fought and so can we.
Remember that unlike most other minorities, queer people can be born anywhere and at any time. As a result, it’s not safe to let transphobia stand anywhere.
Post Trump in office you can consider yourself living in the American Holocaust, you'll be living in the upcoming real life Handmaid's Tale.
They'll use your medical records to convict you, be prepared to run for a blue sanctuary state ASAP. That's only the first step, there you'll be looking for communities prepping and militias forming. We're headed for civil war, if you can't put human garbage in the ground you'll be needed to help grow food and supply the soldiers. We're looking at the fall of America, there's bound to be death.
Survive. If you’d like another way to avoid the doomscroll, now is a great time to learn about those who came before us that lived in worse times.
For example, I recently watched this documentary about [Casa Susanna](https://youtu.be/3M1MFBSqRjY?si=jcgjGVy8a56RBTwl).
It does not matter who the dems put up... Vote for them...
Vote Vote Vote.... Vote as much as you can... vote Dem in every race from school broad to dog catcher to congress to potus... If you can vote for it... vote against the gop
Make sure you register with your legal name a month before the election just encase they remove you from the rolls. also bring water, a snack and your legal government ID when you vote.
I lucky live in a county that will make armed idiots at polls disappear, like seriously, but I highly recommend mail-in voting if you can. Especially if you happen to live in a place where armed morons are expected.
Again, I will say this again. Trump if he wins... doesn't mean anything. What is important is who the House and Senate look at the end of the night. They have the most effect on our well-being. People are blinded by the figurehead. Congress already dwindled the president's power. We need to stop both extremes from continuing to try and divide us and keep the country blinded by all the Democrats and Republicans who have been in office for a decade that haven't done nothing but fill their pockets.
I’ve heard people say that the SCOTUS ruling means that congress won’t be able to save us, and even with that aside, Republicans took the house majority in the latest midterm election and they just barely have a senate majority. It doesn’t seem likely to be much different this year.
Biggest thing is, don't let the fear mongering on both sides get to you. Do your own individual research and use reputable organizations to tear down the narratives being dished out on both sides. It will open your eyes to the world a lot more and give you a good platform to grow from.
Thank you for adding to the voices of reason in this situation. All the Project 2025 stuff is doing is making people panic. There is no realistic scenario in which even the least insane things the Heritage Foundation wants to accomplish actually come to pass.
He wasn't given blanket immunity, nor was he exonerated on what's been charged. Not every act he may do or have done can be classified as official. There's a lot more nuance to it. We aren't the lawyers that can go into actual in-depth conversation on it, but it's not like he suddenly had all his charges dropped.
Check out the Legal Eagle video about this, it's not good. It's very close to blanket immunity as the definition of official acts is basically as broad as it can be.
You might want to look into a solid civics class. The ruling scotus did was that what Trump did in any official capacity, he can't be charged. Everything outside that scope is fair game. As long as we have a split house/senate, not much of anything will happen. Tell your people to vote for their appropriate state reps. And focus on that.
Trumps end point is pushing stuff to state level and take fed out of things he views as nonsensical. Hopefully, the moderates and independents hold a solid amount of spots.
The problem is that if Trump (or any president) ordered the military to, say, assassinate a political rival or two, that would qualify as an official action. Same if he did something using the DoJ. That president would be totally immune because they committed their crimes through official channels. It's fucked.
No one in the Armed forced will assassinate a political foe. As someone that's served, just because an order is given doesn't mean it is lawful. That would not be an official act.
I genuinely hope you are correct (especially re: military refusing to obey a president's direct orders). I am not a legal expert, but many of the news sources and lawyers I've seen/read break this down say that it would be an official act.
You say that just because an order is given doesn't make it lawful, and because it's unlawful it would not be official. I think that may have been true in the past, since the president did not have immunity (and would have faced consequences for unlawful official actions). However, now it seems that there are no consequences for a president if they order an official action that is unlawful.
That is to say, I don't think something being unlawful prevents it from being official. I may be understanding that incorrectly, but that's from the mouths of numerous legal experts. Maybe they are just going for clickbait, but the concern seems genuine.
Accurate points on the system and what SCOTUS actually said. Too many people are repeating what someone said instead of reading what the court said. People need to calm down and stop with the fear mongering.
What fear mongering? It’s a very real plan that they want to execute, I’m not even American and I know about it. It’s horrible and absolutely backwards. Maybe you need to inform yourself more about Project 2025
Project 2025 is a want of an extremely religious right winger. Our country is not majority okay with that. There is a ton of things that would prevent what project 2025 wants. Not only that, most of the things someone could maybe implement in 2025 can get easily reversed the follow election cycle in 2026. Like I stated, the house and senate are key. But for the most part, project 2025 has been in existence for 20+ years, probably longer in different forms. All it is fear mongering when miss information is passed around.
Not now that the Supreme Court ruled that a president has "Presidential Inmunity". And the US kills people in the name of "National Security" and other dumb shit. So long as they classify it as an "official act", he can do anything. And back in the day they even tried to argue that his attempt to overturn the election was "What he felt was best for the sake of the nation".
Oh absolutely not I totally agree. I'm not saying "This is what this law allows" I'm saying"This is how those psychos will try to justify what they do"
Canadian here. It’s definitely scary to contemplate, but it is not a forgone conclusion. And even if he wins , the large number of Americans who didn’t vote for him aren’t just going to stand by as he rolls back minority rights. Anyways, I know it’s stressful and troubling but try to focus on what you can control right now, at this very moment. Is worrying about the worse case scenario going to help you or anyone? I’m not saying do nothing, but don’t let it paralyze you
I looked at your profile and I want to make something abundantly clear to you. That post you made about being trans and also being into matt walsh, do you wanna know why it got downvoted so hard? It's because 1, matt walsh is a monster who wants to harm the trans community, so the trans people didn't want to hear what you had to say, but number 2, (and this is the most important part) the conservatives who love matt walsh do not see you as special. They do not see you as an exception. They see you as a transgender ghoul to exterminate. Just like Matt Walsh has been telling them. So they didn't care what you had to say either. If you aren't just a troll, then you are one of us now, not them. And that's not our choice or yours, it's theirs. And because you're on our team, Trump, MAGA, the GOP, conservatives, republicans, call them what you will, they won't care about your political views. They won't look twice when it's time for them to hurt you. So I ask you, why are you trying so hard to stay on their good side when they give you less respect than an ant under their boot?
1. Don't listen to anyone who says to tune out politics, that's how we got here, by people not paying attention until it directly affects them.
2. The US doesn't control the world, and there are still places far more progressive than America. So what you do is prepare. Get your passport. Start looking into countries you might wanna immigrate to. If you find one, start communicating with their Immigration department immediately.
3. Understand that even if Trump doesn't win, you are not safe. That unless some major, sweeping, radical changes happen in the US government, we've only been given extra time to prepare. The Democrat party is not going to save you, the recent overturning of several "safe" precedents that ***should*** have been codified but weren't is proof that the Democrat Party is the party of defending the status quo, not achieving progress. If, by some miracle Trump doesn't win this election, Project 2025 will just become Project 2029, then Project 2033, then Project 2037, and so on and so forth until they succeed eventually unless the system is changed somehow. And there will be people who will try to tell you that I'm wrong, that there is no way it could actually get that bad, but when they do, just remember that there were tens, maybe even hundreds of thousands of jews who could have escaped The Holocaust but didn't because they believe it when people told them it could never get that bad.
You dont have to wait for a trump presidency (or any republican as theyre all the same), it’s already happening. Federal judge just ruled anti-queer discrimination in healthcare is legal.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/politics/transgender-anti-discrimination-protections-biden-chevron/index.html
Dem apathy towards fascism literally enables it. As long as people continue to be libs in response to literal fascism (which exists outside of Trump btw) it will only get worse.
I dont know what to say other than try to radicalize those around you into left wing politics (not liberal, or even progressive but actually left wing) otherwise you might as well just do thoughts and prayers about it.
It sucks for sure though. Also I wouldnt donate to the ACLU as theyre part of the problem of how this shit got here. A lot of these liberal orgs enabled the type of moderate/liberal politics that has emboldened fascists since literally the first fascists. Genuinely though, given your stances on self defense (no judgement) I would save the money for a one way ticket out and for a new life elsewhere
A second Trump term won’t be like the first one. That was before the supreme court said that the president can do whatever they want. Trump has become way more aggressive since losing 4 years ago. Plus, it seems very likely that he’s gonna stop any elections from happening in the future once he wins this one.
He was getting super aggressive at the tail end of his first year, honestly. I was already worried back then that a second term would do the country in.
That’s assuming he’s even alive at that point,
Him and Biden both look they’re about to drop dead at any moment.
FDR looked better, in his later days, and not only did he have polio, he smoked like a chimney and could drink enough to floor horse
It doesn’t seem realistic to assume that Trump will die within 4 months. Whoever he eventually chooses as his VP will probably be just as bad as him and finish the job for him if he were to die in office.
I never said it would happen in four months,
Though it happening during his possible second term is definitely plausible.
The GOP is basically built around him right now, once he’s done, they’ll probably be in a crisis.
Have a look at Project 2025. I know it sounds doom and gloom, but if Trump is elected again we may not get another presidential election as we’ve come to know it. Democracy is at stake in November.
The problem is there's a plan in place through project 2025 if trump gets elected. This wasn't the case last time and they weren't prepared. This time they are.
Also this country crawled though his term and we came damaged, we're still licking our wounds from it (and a lot have continued to fester rather than heal).
Learn how to dance. Two steps forward, one step back, repeat. Learn the long game and how to play it. It's literally impossible to get rid of us. We aren't the ones producing more trans kids, they are. Are they willing to kill their own children in perpetuity in order to protect their own fragile egos? They are cowards. You just keep on fighting.
Vote for Democrats up and down the ballot and don't listen to mainstream media except for the interview with Biden that George Stephpopulous can't spell the last name but it is on abc
Jack shit is going to happen, they want you to be scared. Live your life, let other people deal with this shit. LGBT acceptance is at an all time high world wide, even though there has been a little dip, we have way **WAY** more going for us today than they had in Stonewall.
My mom mentioned something similar with her and I going to get me a license to carry, since she has experience in that regard. I’m not a fan of guns, but with the way things are going, I’m leaning into the idea more and more. Just as protection. I don’t want to ever have it go there, but it may be the only piece of mind I can manage for the time, other than voting and spreading the word.
Idc if I get downvoted or even banned but if trump wins and project 2025 goes through we need to take up arms and lead a people's revolution.
We cannot let the republicans keep taking away our rights and slaughtering us (us being lgbt/minorities).
The government and those in power will feel the pain that they have inflicted on us 10 fold.
I agree but 80% of dems over 35 would capitulate with a fascist government before even being neutral on guerrilla war against a fascist government.
The issue isnt just the GOP, its quite literally the American people who were raised drowning in propaganda. As this shit continues I hope people start to wake up but given people spent the last year calling the left MAGA supporters bc we oppose Biden over the genocide, I have ***very*** little hope. If they wouldnt oppose genocide there why would they here?
Honestly this. I'm so ready to fight in whatever revolution needs to take place to secure our rights, but I'm not a leader. I'm a lot better at signing up to fight for a cause and doing what is asked of me than I am at setting the groundwork to fight for the cause, if that makes sense.
Look it's bad if trump wins but don't forget there are other legislative bodies
We gotta vote in those elections too. Turn everything we can blue. If we do Trumps shit can be blocked
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/politics/transgender-anti-discrimination-protections-biden-chevron/index.html
No, it cant. We are already dehumanized in law. Fifty years of liberal apathy to fascism has cemented their grounds gained. Voting blue might actually hurt efforts to combat fascism. We need radicalization not a bunch of libs who would literally rather work with fascists than left wing politicians. Not libs who will dump money into the same pigs that will then arrest us for using the bathroom we choose or dressing how we want.
I am a trans girl with guns. One of the founding fathers wrote that the reason we have the second amendment is so that we can rise up if the us government becomes oppressive. That is literally the only reason.
I'd be hanging on to my money instead of donating it. We may have to leave the country at some point. That isn't cheap. Democrats don't know how to spend money on politics anyways.
My plan? Vote. Exercise my 2A constitutional right. Continue prepping. Build solid relationships in my community and become active in mutual aid efforts. Most importantly, continue living my life seeing as I only have 1.
There’s so much fear and with the infection of fascism in our country, there’s a right to be fearful. But one must have the courage to overcome that fear to not act irrational.
That being said we must fight for our rights and freedom but violence isn’t the step we must take but a last resort as a defense for ourselves. The first step should be to be more proud in the face of the danger and show defiance against it peacefully. We should look to the civil rights movement and the approach MLK took. Using marches, sit ins, organized protests and civil disobedience to show that we are here and no law can erase us.
Even so to ask others to put themselves it those situations to be put at risk is a tall order and if anyone wishes to prioritize their personal safety then that is understandable. The way I see it is when do you choose to speak up and use your voice? Do you do it when you have the legal freedom and opportunity or do you speak when it’s too late?
The next 4 years and possibly on is going to be horrifically scary but what will you do when it comes down to your constitutional right to pursue happiness being stripped away?
You stay and fight. You fight for your rights and for those of your community. There’s too many people trying to figure out where to flee to if Trump wins and that is not the appropriate response, it almost spits in the face of the generations of queer folks before us and what they fought for us.
Fight just like we've been doing.
Hundreds of anti-trans bills have passed in state legislature under Biden tenure.
No administration is safe.
Focus local. Build community.
>Is my safest option to just let go of all the thoughts I’ve had about transitioning?
I am not going to hugbox you. Presenting male and being white I was probably much safer (unless there is going to be some sort of draft in the future) but I don't want that life back.
After I presented androgynous and a bit feminine to try stuff out I got more clarity on my dysphoria and eventually decided to go on HRT even though it's more dangerous. I will never forget how I saw a video online of a woman who was trans being beaten up and killed.
Still I decided to risk a shorter fuller life vs that fake life I had trapped in that body. And I do not regret it. I was more alive the last 8y than ever before.
Yes fascism is on the rise world wide. And maybe democracy will end. Maybe not.
Its not all bad: Labour just won in landslide in the UK! We will see how things go from here. Poland also said no to conservatives recently after 8year of nonsense from them people had enough and went to vote in numbers like not seen in a while.
There are blue states in the US and a ton of countries to move to that will probably not all be fascist at the same time unless there is a world war and they loose.
Should things really go south there is still a good chance there will be place to move to.
> tune out of politics and that it will all be okay,
Yes tune off but in the long run it might or might not be ok where you are at. I am in Europe where queer people have been industrially murdered and at that point they could not even flee anymore. I accepted that I might have to flee eventually and I do not want to miss that window. So I stay informed but not via doomscrolling. Reading the News or watching John Stuart and John Oliver as those are fun.
We in the community will support each and be there for you regardless if you eventually decide to transition or not :)
Well many things.
Him taking office isn't guaranteed. A lot of Republicans don't like him, it's a really loud minority from what I've seen, the GOP is in internal turmoil, so go out n vote, spread the message online, in person, volunteer, etc. Even if he wins, nothing is guaranteeing he will come after us.
If he wins, the easiest thing would be to stock up on medications and move to a Blue state like Illinois if you don't live in one. Else, get all of your documents and research moving to someplace like Canada. Otherwise, petition for change, fight tooth n nail, pack some iron if you feel safe doing so. If it's anything like his last term, hate crimes will probably skyrocket, they'll feel bold. Stay safe y'all.
I hate this take. It feels so hollow and empty. Being armed isn’t going to help us for shit if laws against us are implemented. They’re not gonna help if our hrt gets banned. They’re not gonna help us if laws claiming we’re predators get passed. I agree being armed is important for minorities but I hate hate hate people just repeating this because it’s not a cure, not even close, it’s just a tool that MAY help in SOME scenarios.
Nah I’ve been trying not too worry but if things go to shit likely chances me and my family will be stuck here, not to mention I’m already on testosterone so I can’t even go stealth.🥲
It seems we are having an intifada regardless of Trump winning. Either that or we are being primed for an inevitable Republican win. As a trans person as well as any marginalized group it is in our best interest to engage in Anarchy. We should already be getting involved. Mutual aid, self defense, providing housing if you can, connecting the unhoused with community resources not related to government services. We as a collective need to make the government irrelevant and invalid. There will be people who have knowledge in synthesizing hormones, anti androgens and puberty blockers. Conservatives was to regulate a world back into the 1950s, We need to communilize ourselves by taking a pre-1492 world into the 21st century.
I'm so sick of making international subs US centered. Do you think other countries don't have problems with lack of healthcare, bans on various things and fascism? Why every 10th post on various trans subs is "what if Trump"?...Can't we make one post for that?
I'm also in a doom spiral right now but a few things to remember: * Change happens slowly in the U.S. Will it still be a bad time with bad things happening? Yes, most likely. Will it be the immediate death or imprisonment of all queer folks? No. Again, it's not going to be easy street, but it's not the apocalypse yet either. * Trump winning, while a big concern right now, is not yet a forgone conclusion. A lot can happen in four months, especially in today's media, new-of-the-now driven culture. Maybe Biden will be super on the ball at the next debate. Maybe Trump will keel over from some new tanning based mega virus, who's to say? * Biden hasn't actually changed. Only people's reaction to Biden. Granted, the debate was...a mess, but it's important for people to be reminded that his presidency has been doing generally fine, and we have no reason to think it won't continue to do so. So. What now? * Obviously, vote. Vote. Vote. Vote in every election, on every ballot measure, Vote. Vote. Vote. * If you have the bandwidth, contribute to the candidates you like (volunteer, donate money, whatever you're able to do) or just to your communities in general. Volunteering, being vocal, or just being a lift raft for others who are scared. We stay safest by staying together and keeping strong. * This is the least feasible and most alarmist but: get your documents and medications in order. This is a good thing to do REGARDLESS of the results of the election or your status as a queer person. Always have an emergency kit and plan in place including knowing where all your documents are and being able to get someplace safe in the event of a disaster (either natural or man made). Know what resources are around you (trans support groups, hospitals, anything that might be necessary in an emergency of any kind). And lastly, what they WANT to do is keep you closeted and scared. If you can, and if you can SAFELY, be a resource for people who might be on the fence. I know this is generally eye-rolling advice but if you can be the friendly and human face of people who are affected by anti-queer legislation, be that. There are a number of people in my life who were pretty skeptical about trans-ness until we got to know each-other because all they ever knew about trans people were scary, aggressive, cartoonish figures being painted for them by Fox News. Obviously, don't hurt yourself trying to be this, and don't do it unless you can stomach a bit of...unfriendly behavior. It's absolutely cool if this isn't a role you can take. But the most effective vaccine against bigotry is knowledge. Edit: Lastly, lastly: If you can stay and be a voting member of the public where-ever you are? Great! Do that. If you're in a state that is likely to be (or has already become) unsafe, see if you can manage to find a way out. Obviously this is HUGELY dependent on having the resources to do so but try reaching out to trans support groups in blue states, or friends who live in safer areas and see if there's anyway to get yourself someplace more friendly. A lot of this stuff will come down to state laws; 1850s style.
>Change happens slowly in the U.S. Will it still be a bad time with bad things happening? Yes, most likely. Will it be the immediate death or imprisonment of all queer folks? No. Again, it's not going to be easy street, but it's not the apocalypse yet either. While change is slow here, he's said he will be a dictator on day 1. Believe him.
Nope. The best thing we can do to fight it is to continue to be ourselves. They want queer people to be back in the closet and erased. By openly expressing ourselves and being us we fight against them. Those who came before us fought and so can we.
But I don’t want to be arrested or killed.
That's a valid fear, but if we don't stand up then we lose and the generations after us will be arrested and killed.
Remember that unlike most other minorities, queer people can be born anywhere and at any time. As a result, it’s not safe to let transphobia stand anywhere.
We are either killed in apathy or killed in honor Atleast one way we know we did the right thing
Post Trump in office you can consider yourself living in the American Holocaust, you'll be living in the upcoming real life Handmaid's Tale. They'll use your medical records to convict you, be prepared to run for a blue sanctuary state ASAP. That's only the first step, there you'll be looking for communities prepping and militias forming. We're headed for civil war, if you can't put human garbage in the ground you'll be needed to help grow food and supply the soldiers. We're looking at the fall of America, there's bound to be death.
Neither do I, but if they won't let me live in peace, they can catch these trans hands
Neither did the natives haha
What?
what is the joke here exactly
There is no joke
"haha"?
Haha we're all screwed
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Yeah a room full of scared people. Like we're all terrified. And the best thing we could do is honestly flee.
Why would you be killed?
Trumps cult stormed the capital armed, they’re not above killing us, especially if trump and his shithead judges end up in charge
they also literally said they would get project 2025 to pass "with bloodshed" if the left tried to block them
I see where you are coming from
Just curious but who do you mean by “they”. Did you mean the crazy gun people.
The heritage foundation and their supporters.
I hated those fuckers even back when I was more of a Centrist.
Survive. If you’d like another way to avoid the doomscroll, now is a great time to learn about those who came before us that lived in worse times. For example, I recently watched this documentary about [Casa Susanna](https://youtu.be/3M1MFBSqRjY?si=jcgjGVy8a56RBTwl).
Thank you for linking this. I have been doomspiraling like crazy lately and frankly, this documentary has done so much to lift my spirits.
Don't stress about things you cannot change right now just vote
THIS - for the love of god, fucking vote. Everyone vote.
It does not matter who the dems put up... Vote for them... Vote Vote Vote.... Vote as much as you can... vote Dem in every race from school broad to dog catcher to congress to potus... If you can vote for it... vote against the gop Make sure you register with your legal name a month before the election just encase they remove you from the rolls. also bring water, a snack and your legal government ID when you vote.
I lucky live in a county that will make armed idiots at polls disappear, like seriously, but I highly recommend mail-in voting if you can. Especially if you happen to live in a place where armed morons are expected.
> armed idiots at polls bTW super illegal
And yet it has happened so I don't really count on the cops to do anything
Again, I will say this again. Trump if he wins... doesn't mean anything. What is important is who the House and Senate look at the end of the night. They have the most effect on our well-being. People are blinded by the figurehead. Congress already dwindled the president's power. We need to stop both extremes from continuing to try and divide us and keep the country blinded by all the Democrats and Republicans who have been in office for a decade that haven't done nothing but fill their pockets.
I’ve heard people say that the SCOTUS ruling means that congress won’t be able to save us, and even with that aside, Republicans took the house majority in the latest midterm election and they just barely have a senate majority. It doesn’t seem likely to be much different this year.
Biggest thing is, don't let the fear mongering on both sides get to you. Do your own individual research and use reputable organizations to tear down the narratives being dished out on both sides. It will open your eyes to the world a lot more and give you a good platform to grow from.
Thank you for adding to the voices of reason in this situation. All the Project 2025 stuff is doing is making people panic. There is no realistic scenario in which even the least insane things the Heritage Foundation wants to accomplish actually come to pass.
Except some of it literally already has. Giving the President immunity from the law was literally one of the bullet points of Project 2025.
He wasn't given blanket immunity, nor was he exonerated on what's been charged. Not every act he may do or have done can be classified as official. There's a lot more nuance to it. We aren't the lawyers that can go into actual in-depth conversation on it, but it's not like he suddenly had all his charges dropped.
Check out the Legal Eagle video about this, it's not good. It's very close to blanket immunity as the definition of official acts is basically as broad as it can be.
You might want to look into a solid civics class. The ruling scotus did was that what Trump did in any official capacity, he can't be charged. Everything outside that scope is fair game. As long as we have a split house/senate, not much of anything will happen. Tell your people to vote for their appropriate state reps. And focus on that. Trumps end point is pushing stuff to state level and take fed out of things he views as nonsensical. Hopefully, the moderates and independents hold a solid amount of spots.
The problem is that if Trump (or any president) ordered the military to, say, assassinate a political rival or two, that would qualify as an official action. Same if he did something using the DoJ. That president would be totally immune because they committed their crimes through official channels. It's fucked.
No one in the Armed forced will assassinate a political foe. As someone that's served, just because an order is given doesn't mean it is lawful. That would not be an official act.
I genuinely hope you are correct (especially re: military refusing to obey a president's direct orders). I am not a legal expert, but many of the news sources and lawyers I've seen/read break this down say that it would be an official act. You say that just because an order is given doesn't make it lawful, and because it's unlawful it would not be official. I think that may have been true in the past, since the president did not have immunity (and would have faced consequences for unlawful official actions). However, now it seems that there are no consequences for a president if they order an official action that is unlawful. That is to say, I don't think something being unlawful prevents it from being official. I may be understanding that incorrectly, but that's from the mouths of numerous legal experts. Maybe they are just going for clickbait, but the concern seems genuine.
Accurate points on the system and what SCOTUS actually said. Too many people are repeating what someone said instead of reading what the court said. People need to calm down and stop with the fear mongering.
What fear mongering? It’s a very real plan that they want to execute, I’m not even American and I know about it. It’s horrible and absolutely backwards. Maybe you need to inform yourself more about Project 2025
Project 2025 is a want of an extremely religious right winger. Our country is not majority okay with that. There is a ton of things that would prevent what project 2025 wants. Not only that, most of the things someone could maybe implement in 2025 can get easily reversed the follow election cycle in 2026. Like I stated, the house and senate are key. But for the most part, project 2025 has been in existence for 20+ years, probably longer in different forms. All it is fear mongering when miss information is passed around.
You obviously haven’t read Project 2025. The Heritage Foundation has stated it’s the second American Revolution and you won’t get hurt if you comply.
It's not that simple. Just do your part vote and make sure your family and friends vote.
Not now that the Supreme Court ruled that a president has "Presidential Inmunity". And the US kills people in the name of "National Security" and other dumb shit. So long as they classify it as an "official act", he can do anything. And back in the day they even tried to argue that his attempt to overturn the election was "What he felt was best for the sake of the nation".
That's not how that works.
Oh absolutely not I totally agree. I'm not saying "This is what this law allows" I'm saying"This is how those psychos will try to justify what they do"
Gotcha.
Canadian here. It’s definitely scary to contemplate, but it is not a forgone conclusion. And even if he wins , the large number of Americans who didn’t vote for him aren’t just going to stand by as he rolls back minority rights. Anyways, I know it’s stressful and troubling but try to focus on what you can control right now, at this very moment. Is worrying about the worse case scenario going to help you or anyone? I’m not saying do nothing, but don’t let it paralyze you
The majority are voting for Trump including many on the LGBTQ community.
Source: trust me bro
Source: I made it the fuck up
I looked at your profile and I want to make something abundantly clear to you. That post you made about being trans and also being into matt walsh, do you wanna know why it got downvoted so hard? It's because 1, matt walsh is a monster who wants to harm the trans community, so the trans people didn't want to hear what you had to say, but number 2, (and this is the most important part) the conservatives who love matt walsh do not see you as special. They do not see you as an exception. They see you as a transgender ghoul to exterminate. Just like Matt Walsh has been telling them. So they didn't care what you had to say either. If you aren't just a troll, then you are one of us now, not them. And that's not our choice or yours, it's theirs. And because you're on our team, Trump, MAGA, the GOP, conservatives, republicans, call them what you will, they won't care about your political views. They won't look twice when it's time for them to hurt you. So I ask you, why are you trying so hard to stay on their good side when they give you less respect than an ant under their boot?
Can I get some sources for those claims of yours?
Source: it came to me in a dream
Vote and don’t give up.
I plan to live long enough to piss on that fuckers grave. Spite is a great motivator. If that includes raging against his fascist kingdom, so be it.
I’m with you!!
collect all of your friends, go vote together, and everyone who votes gets an icecream!
1. Don't listen to anyone who says to tune out politics, that's how we got here, by people not paying attention until it directly affects them. 2. The US doesn't control the world, and there are still places far more progressive than America. So what you do is prepare. Get your passport. Start looking into countries you might wanna immigrate to. If you find one, start communicating with their Immigration department immediately. 3. Understand that even if Trump doesn't win, you are not safe. That unless some major, sweeping, radical changes happen in the US government, we've only been given extra time to prepare. The Democrat party is not going to save you, the recent overturning of several "safe" precedents that ***should*** have been codified but weren't is proof that the Democrat Party is the party of defending the status quo, not achieving progress. If, by some miracle Trump doesn't win this election, Project 2025 will just become Project 2029, then Project 2033, then Project 2037, and so on and so forth until they succeed eventually unless the system is changed somehow. And there will be people who will try to tell you that I'm wrong, that there is no way it could actually get that bad, but when they do, just remember that there were tens, maybe even hundreds of thousands of jews who could have escaped The Holocaust but didn't because they believe it when people told them it could never get that bad.
Im moving i guess, if thinks get too complicated Also a bit concerned how is this situation is going to affect Puerto Rico since i live there so
You dont have to wait for a trump presidency (or any republican as theyre all the same), it’s already happening. Federal judge just ruled anti-queer discrimination in healthcare is legal. https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/politics/transgender-anti-discrimination-protections-biden-chevron/index.html Dem apathy towards fascism literally enables it. As long as people continue to be libs in response to literal fascism (which exists outside of Trump btw) it will only get worse. I dont know what to say other than try to radicalize those around you into left wing politics (not liberal, or even progressive but actually left wing) otherwise you might as well just do thoughts and prayers about it. It sucks for sure though. Also I wouldnt donate to the ACLU as theyre part of the problem of how this shit got here. A lot of these liberal orgs enabled the type of moderate/liberal politics that has emboldened fascists since literally the first fascists. Genuinely though, given your stances on self defense (no judgement) I would save the money for a one way ticket out and for a new life elsewhere
We survived one Trump administration. We can survive enough if we need to.
A second Trump term won’t be like the first one. That was before the supreme court said that the president can do whatever they want. Trump has become way more aggressive since losing 4 years ago. Plus, it seems very likely that he’s gonna stop any elections from happening in the future once he wins this one.
He was getting super aggressive at the tail end of his first year, honestly. I was already worried back then that a second term would do the country in.
That’s assuming he’s even alive at that point, Him and Biden both look they’re about to drop dead at any moment. FDR looked better, in his later days, and not only did he have polio, he smoked like a chimney and could drink enough to floor horse
It doesn’t seem realistic to assume that Trump will die within 4 months. Whoever he eventually chooses as his VP will probably be just as bad as him and finish the job for him if he were to die in office.
I never said it would happen in four months, Though it happening during his possible second term is definitely plausible. The GOP is basically built around him right now, once he’s done, they’ll probably be in a crisis.
Not everyone survived.
Have a look at Project 2025. I know it sounds doom and gloom, but if Trump is elected again we may not get another presidential election as we’ve come to know it. Democracy is at stake in November.
Say that to the millions that died to Covid because he didn’t do shit about it
The problem is there's a plan in place through project 2025 if trump gets elected. This wasn't the case last time and they weren't prepared. This time they are. Also this country crawled though his term and we came damaged, we're still licking our wounds from it (and a lot have continued to fester rather than heal).
Learn how to dance. Two steps forward, one step back, repeat. Learn the long game and how to play it. It's literally impossible to get rid of us. We aren't the ones producing more trans kids, they are. Are they willing to kill their own children in perpetuity in order to protect their own fragile egos? They are cowards. You just keep on fighting.
Vote for Democrats up and down the ballot and don't listen to mainstream media except for the interview with Biden that George Stephpopulous can't spell the last name but it is on abc
Jack shit is going to happen, they want you to be scared. Live your life, let other people deal with this shit. LGBT acceptance is at an all time high world wide, even though there has been a little dip, we have way **WAY** more going for us today than they had in Stonewall.
so vote for Biden?
Vote for Bidden or Trump gets another one vote advantage. ANY vote NOT for Biden is an advantage for Trump.
make sure you can use a weapon, even if you are trying to leave it might come down to having to defend yourself.
My mom mentioned something similar with her and I going to get me a license to carry, since she has experience in that regard. I’m not a fan of guns, but with the way things are going, I’m leaning into the idea more and more. Just as protection. I don’t want to ever have it go there, but it may be the only piece of mind I can manage for the time, other than voting and spreading the word.
Yeah, better to be prepared and then not need it.
That’s the kind of advice that could fuck up you forever. Try not overact
already there, i'm a veteran.
Idc if I get downvoted or even banned but if trump wins and project 2025 goes through we need to take up arms and lead a people's revolution. We cannot let the republicans keep taking away our rights and slaughtering us (us being lgbt/minorities). The government and those in power will feel the pain that they have inflicted on us 10 fold.
I agree but 80% of dems over 35 would capitulate with a fascist government before even being neutral on guerrilla war against a fascist government. The issue isnt just the GOP, its quite literally the American people who were raised drowning in propaganda. As this shit continues I hope people start to wake up but given people spent the last year calling the left MAGA supporters bc we oppose Biden over the genocide, I have ***very*** little hope. If they wouldnt oppose genocide there why would they here?
Honestly this. I'm so ready to fight in whatever revolution needs to take place to secure our rights, but I'm not a leader. I'm a lot better at signing up to fight for a cause and doing what is asked of me than I am at setting the groundwork to fight for the cause, if that makes sense.
Look it's bad if trump wins but don't forget there are other legislative bodies We gotta vote in those elections too. Turn everything we can blue. If we do Trumps shit can be blocked
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/politics/transgender-anti-discrimination-protections-biden-chevron/index.html No, it cant. We are already dehumanized in law. Fifty years of liberal apathy to fascism has cemented their grounds gained. Voting blue might actually hurt efforts to combat fascism. We need radicalization not a bunch of libs who would literally rather work with fascists than left wing politicians. Not libs who will dump money into the same pigs that will then arrest us for using the bathroom we choose or dressing how we want.
I am a trans girl with guns. One of the founding fathers wrote that the reason we have the second amendment is so that we can rise up if the us government becomes oppressive. That is literally the only reason.
I'd be hanging on to my money instead of donating it. We may have to leave the country at some point. That isn't cheap. Democrats don't know how to spend money on politics anyways.
My plan? Vote. Exercise my 2A constitutional right. Continue prepping. Build solid relationships in my community and become active in mutual aid efforts. Most importantly, continue living my life seeing as I only have 1.
There’s so much fear and with the infection of fascism in our country, there’s a right to be fearful. But one must have the courage to overcome that fear to not act irrational. That being said we must fight for our rights and freedom but violence isn’t the step we must take but a last resort as a defense for ourselves. The first step should be to be more proud in the face of the danger and show defiance against it peacefully. We should look to the civil rights movement and the approach MLK took. Using marches, sit ins, organized protests and civil disobedience to show that we are here and no law can erase us. Even so to ask others to put themselves it those situations to be put at risk is a tall order and if anyone wishes to prioritize their personal safety then that is understandable. The way I see it is when do you choose to speak up and use your voice? Do you do it when you have the legal freedom and opportunity or do you speak when it’s too late? The next 4 years and possibly on is going to be horrifically scary but what will you do when it comes down to your constitutional right to pursue happiness being stripped away?
You stay and fight. You fight for your rights and for those of your community. There’s too many people trying to figure out where to flee to if Trump wins and that is not the appropriate response, it almost spits in the face of the generations of queer folks before us and what they fought for us.
Fight just like we've been doing. Hundreds of anti-trans bills have passed in state legislature under Biden tenure. No administration is safe. Focus local. Build community.
>Is my safest option to just let go of all the thoughts I’ve had about transitioning? I am not going to hugbox you. Presenting male and being white I was probably much safer (unless there is going to be some sort of draft in the future) but I don't want that life back. After I presented androgynous and a bit feminine to try stuff out I got more clarity on my dysphoria and eventually decided to go on HRT even though it's more dangerous. I will never forget how I saw a video online of a woman who was trans being beaten up and killed. Still I decided to risk a shorter fuller life vs that fake life I had trapped in that body. And I do not regret it. I was more alive the last 8y than ever before. Yes fascism is on the rise world wide. And maybe democracy will end. Maybe not. Its not all bad: Labour just won in landslide in the UK! We will see how things go from here. Poland also said no to conservatives recently after 8year of nonsense from them people had enough and went to vote in numbers like not seen in a while. There are blue states in the US and a ton of countries to move to that will probably not all be fascist at the same time unless there is a world war and they loose. Should things really go south there is still a good chance there will be place to move to. > tune out of politics and that it will all be okay, Yes tune off but in the long run it might or might not be ok where you are at. I am in Europe where queer people have been industrially murdered and at that point they could not even flee anymore. I accepted that I might have to flee eventually and I do not want to miss that window. So I stay informed but not via doomscrolling. Reading the News or watching John Stuart and John Oliver as those are fun. We in the community will support each and be there for you regardless if you eventually decide to transition or not :)
Be prepared to fight
Well many things. Him taking office isn't guaranteed. A lot of Republicans don't like him, it's a really loud minority from what I've seen, the GOP is in internal turmoil, so go out n vote, spread the message online, in person, volunteer, etc. Even if he wins, nothing is guaranteeing he will come after us. If he wins, the easiest thing would be to stock up on medications and move to a Blue state like Illinois if you don't live in one. Else, get all of your documents and research moving to someplace like Canada. Otherwise, petition for change, fight tooth n nail, pack some iron if you feel safe doing so. If it's anything like his last term, hate crimes will probably skyrocket, they'll feel bold. Stay safe y'all.
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I hate this take. It feels so hollow and empty. Being armed isn’t going to help us for shit if laws against us are implemented. They’re not gonna help if our hrt gets banned. They’re not gonna help us if laws claiming we’re predators get passed. I agree being armed is important for minorities but I hate hate hate people just repeating this because it’s not a cure, not even close, it’s just a tool that MAY help in SOME scenarios.
Honestly fleeing the country would be a better alternative
Got a better idea?
Did you not read my thoughts on all the people saying that?
Vote in state and local elections as they are far more important than federal and stay in liberal areas of possible
Nah I’ve been trying not too worry but if things go to shit likely chances me and my family will be stuck here, not to mention I’m already on testosterone so I can’t even go stealth.🥲
Until the testosterone kicks in hard enough to go the better version of stealth :)
I meant cause I’m a minor and it could be considered child abuse in the near future.😭
It seems we are having an intifada regardless of Trump winning. Either that or we are being primed for an inevitable Republican win. As a trans person as well as any marginalized group it is in our best interest to engage in Anarchy. We should already be getting involved. Mutual aid, self defense, providing housing if you can, connecting the unhoused with community resources not related to government services. We as a collective need to make the government irrelevant and invalid. There will be people who have knowledge in synthesizing hormones, anti androgens and puberty blockers. Conservatives was to regulate a world back into the 1950s, We need to communilize ourselves by taking a pre-1492 world into the 21st century.
If that happens, put it in a bag and mail it to a magazine moron
Huh?
I'm so sick of making international subs US centered. Do you think other countries don't have problems with lack of healthcare, bans on various things and fascism? Why every 10th post on various trans subs is "what if Trump"?...Can't we make one post for that?
Just try it, dont let something about that dont enjoy your life
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Trump might win but that doesn't mean other countries are going to follow - I think you're way overestimating the influence of the US.
Wdym other counties will follow? That’s not the point
part of the post is OP saying "other countries are going to follow Americas way"