Snapshot:
An archived version of _"I'll be supporting Serbia tonight. I won't support ANYTHING that you do, and I can't support a country that in turn supports genocice"_ can be found [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://x.com/LynnBraben/status/1802369037055258796)
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To be fair the Palestinians were on the side of the Serbs, the PLO had a long history of both buying and supplying arms to the Serbs, and the Palestinian Authority[ invited Milosevic](https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/palestinian-authority-invites-milosevic-to-2893451.php) to celebrate xmas in Betlehem after he was convicted of War Crimes and they still do not recognize Kosovo.
So this is very much on par for the course ;)
I'm pretty sure he is not aware of that, no.
Anyone who thinks Starmer is anything to do with a non-existant genocide in the levant is not bright or educated.
I suppose the serbs were pretty open about ethnic cleansing the Bosnians where as Israel is pretty adamant that they are targeting Hamas. I suppose Israel has been roof knocking before missile strikes and giving evacuation orders to try and reduce civilian casualties and they still provide clean water to the strip. these are untypical actions in most historical genocides. I think they are being purposely reckless with civilian casualties but not enough to suggest genocide at this point.
I'm not arguing that Israel is committing genocide. I think sometimes after Nuremberg genocide became a politicised word, if it wasn't already by 1945. And I think the fact that Serbs were accused of genocide for killing 8600 men and boys, but plenty of people will argue Israel has not committed genocide despite killing at least double that number of civilians, makes that point.
By the way, the IRA often gave forewarning of their attacks and partisans of that terrorist group liked to make a big deal of that. There has also been a fair amount of genocidal rhetoric from Israeli's toward the Arabs in Gaza.
e.g.
>Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.”
That's what Iran says about Israel, by the way, and only fools and dupes fail to understand what that means.
I'm aware that there is an undercurrent of ethnic cleansing in elements of Israeli society and governance but currently I think their actions so far don't constitute a genocide. You can argue warcrimes on a case by case bases but so far I don't see any genocide. maybe things will change but
I agree there is a political element to all genocide recognitions. The recognition of the Armenian genocide being the most obviously contentious one.
No, actually, it isn't.
Getting caught in the crossfire refers to accidental or incidental killing of people you didn't know were there, while firing at another target.
Dropping a bomb on an apartment complex is not that. The target is deliberate, and the possibility it has civilians in it is certain - after all, why bomb an empty building?
When it comes to killing, the logical and probable causes of your action is what matters. There's nothing incidental or accidental about the deaths of a family if bombs are dropped on their house.
All military commanders know and understand this very well, it is only gullible civilians who believe propaganda about collateral damage.
You’ve just made up a nonsense definition to make a point. The target is deliberate; it is Hamas fighters. Civilians are caught in the cross fire as they hide amongst civilians. Their deaths are on Hamas.
Getting killed in a cross fire refers to party A and B shooting at each other, and killing unrelated party C in the process.
Here is the definition given by Cambridge Dictionary:
Meaning of caught in crossfire in English
caught in crossfire
collocation (also caught in the crossfire)
Add to word list
hit accidentally when bullets are fired towards you from different directions but are not intended to hit you:
Her husband was a teacher who got caught in crossfire.
Three of the victims were civilians caught in the crossfire.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/caught-in-crossfire
Here are several uses of that from news reporting.
>MEXICO CITY (AP) — An American woman and a man from Belize have been killed in what appears to have been a dispute between drug dealers at a beach club in the Mexican resort city of Tulum, officials confirmed Sunday.
> American woman killed in apparent crossfire in a drug dispute at the Mexican beach resort of Tulum
https://apnews.com/article/american-killed-crossfire-beach-club-tulum-mexico-5dd3523774dad46e02cb5bcf3cf12544
Long Beach street vendor killed in crossfire of shooting
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/long-beach-street-vendor-killed-in-crossfire-of-shooting/3369965/
>South Sudan Probe Says US Journalist Died in 'Crossfire'
https://www.voanews.com/a/south-sudan-probe-says-us-journalist-died-in-crossfire-/7538432.html
>2-Year-Old Boy In Stroller Dies After Getting Caught In Crossfire Of Shooting
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/2-year-old-boy-in-stroller-dies-after-getting-caught-in-crossfire-of-shooting_n_65c791f0e4b069b665dfac10
>The target is deliberate; it is Hamas fighters. Civilians are caught in the cross fire as they hide amongst civilians. Their deaths are on Hamas.
You need to make up your mind which propaganda line you want to go for. If Hamas is to blame for the deaths of civilians killed by Israeli bombs and missiles, because Hamas hides among civilians, then they are not killed in the cross fire, because there is no cross fire between Israeli jets and Hamas fighters.
If civilians are killed in the cross fire, then these are accidental deaths happening due to what, exactly? Miss targeting? Ricochet? 10s of thousands of Arab civilians have been killed by miss-targeting and ricochet? Clearly not. And indeed, you know that because Hamas hide among civilians, as you say. So that targeting is deliberate and the killing of civilians a logical and probable consequence of the bombing, ergo not caught in the cross fire.
Anyway, that's enough remedial courses in the English language.
Back to the much more amusing topic of A) Twitter user being unaware that Serbs genocided Bosnians and B) the irony at the expense of partisans of Israel, who apparently is not guilty of genocide despite knowingly killing many more civilians than Serbs in Srebrenica.
> Getting killed in a cross fire refers to party A and B shooting at each other, and killing unrelated party C in the process
This is quite literally exactly what is happening, are you simple?
I think you might be the dimmest defender of Israel I have ever met.
The more realistic and hard headed defenders of Israel say the death toll is the consequence of urban warfare, which is brutal and the civilian casualties are proportionate to and justified by the military end sought, i.e. destruction of Hamas. WW2 is often given as a parallel here, where RAF, USAF etc deliberately bombed and killed German civilians.
Other defenders are less realistic in their defence of the Gaza War, and prefer to say that Hamas is to blame for all deaths because Hamas started the war, and/or because Hamas uses civilians as human shields. This argument might be persuasive if we lived in the 17th century, but since at least the 18th century civilians have often been in the theatre of war, and in many cases its deliberate targets. And, like all wars, it takes two 2 tango, and so it is impossible to blame only 1 side for all the deaths in any war.
But you are the first person I have ever met that argues Gazan civilians are accidentally and unintentionally killed while Hamas and Israel fight each other. Tell me, [have all the flattened buildings](https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-gaza-israel-bombing-destruction-hamas-reconstruction-f299a28410b70ee05dd764df97d8d3a0) been demolished by crossfire too?
>Tell me, have all the flattened buildings been demolished by crossfire too?
Yes, how are you not getting this yet despite sharing the definition that confirms it? Anyway, point of the matter is they aren't intentionally targeting people based on their race and ethnicity so it doesn't fit any definition of a genocide.
Genocide isn't about total number of deaths.
Why does everyone who uses that word in relation to Israel Palestine not having a fucking clue how it works?
It's just completely regarded to suggest that Israelis dropping leaflets and doing dummy bomb drops, while setting up safe zones, calling people on their mobiles to get out of the neighbourhood they're in because shit is about to kick off, and treating the wounded Gazans is "genocide"
1: IRA gave pre warnings. Why do people think that matters?
2: I'm not calling Israels actions genocide. The problem is for the people that think killing 8600 men and boys is genocide, but whatever Israel is doing in Gaza isn't.
>Republic of Liverpool. Anti Zionist/Monarchy/Tory. Have Neurofibromatosis 1+ Essential Thrombocythaemia. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free
LMAO
The left CAN meme
They subsequently acknowledge their lack of knowledge on the issue, so I really don't think it's a parody account at all. Their booing of Ukraine really underscores the glaring double-standard in their position, in that it's not so much "I stand against genocide" and more "I gain a weird sense of validation from making fake performative sicky-sounds at the thought of anything Western being seen as positive".
Essentially it's the perfect example of your average G&P poster.
> Readers added context they thought people might want to know:
> Serbia not only perpetrated war-crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, it was party to the Srebrenecia Genocide:
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
>It is also a supplier of weapons to Israel:
>https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/10/as-gaza-is-pummelled-is-serbia-secretly-sending-weapons-to-israel
Gotta love those community notes.
I started reading her posts. I am now 5 minutes older
Small price to pay though. I'm sure she's actively instigating significant change in her local community
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They are aware what the Serbs did in Bosnia right?
It's kind of like the last Euros where people said they would support Italy over England because England were diving too much.
Or that the English fans were racist, like have they ever met an Italian person before?
That was quite perplexing and laughable!
Nothing like our special brand of reclusive untravelled experts.
And who Serbia are best chums with.
To be fair the Palestinians were on the side of the Serbs, the PLO had a long history of both buying and supplying arms to the Serbs, and the Palestinian Authority[ invited Milosevic](https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/palestinian-authority-invites-milosevic-to-2893451.php) to celebrate xmas in Betlehem after he was convicted of War Crimes and they still do not recognize Kosovo. So this is very much on par for the course ;)
And Kosovo
I'm pretty sure he is not aware of that, no. Anyone who thinks Starmer is anything to do with a non-existant genocide in the levant is not bright or educated.
Yeah, Serbs killed 8k Bosnians and its a genocide, Israelis kill 25k Arabs, but its not genocide. Funny old world.
I suppose the serbs were pretty open about ethnic cleansing the Bosnians where as Israel is pretty adamant that they are targeting Hamas. I suppose Israel has been roof knocking before missile strikes and giving evacuation orders to try and reduce civilian casualties and they still provide clean water to the strip. these are untypical actions in most historical genocides. I think they are being purposely reckless with civilian casualties but not enough to suggest genocide at this point.
I'm not arguing that Israel is committing genocide. I think sometimes after Nuremberg genocide became a politicised word, if it wasn't already by 1945. And I think the fact that Serbs were accused of genocide for killing 8600 men and boys, but plenty of people will argue Israel has not committed genocide despite killing at least double that number of civilians, makes that point. By the way, the IRA often gave forewarning of their attacks and partisans of that terrorist group liked to make a big deal of that. There has also been a fair amount of genocidal rhetoric from Israeli's toward the Arabs in Gaza. e.g. >Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” That's what Iran says about Israel, by the way, and only fools and dupes fail to understand what that means.
I'm aware that there is an undercurrent of ethnic cleansing in elements of Israeli society and governance but currently I think their actions so far don't constitute a genocide. You can argue warcrimes on a case by case bases but so far I don't see any genocide. maybe things will change but I agree there is a political element to all genocide recognitions. The recognition of the Armenian genocide being the most obviously contentious one.
I don't believe Israelis are committing genocide either. But if Serbia did in Bosnia, Israelis surely are in Gaza.
Killing people because of their race vs people caught in crossfire in a war their government started. It’s not rocket science
Dropping bombs in densely populated civilian areas isn't "getting caught in the cross fire."
Well yes it is
No, actually, it isn't. Getting caught in the crossfire refers to accidental or incidental killing of people you didn't know were there, while firing at another target. Dropping a bomb on an apartment complex is not that. The target is deliberate, and the possibility it has civilians in it is certain - after all, why bomb an empty building? When it comes to killing, the logical and probable causes of your action is what matters. There's nothing incidental or accidental about the deaths of a family if bombs are dropped on their house. All military commanders know and understand this very well, it is only gullible civilians who believe propaganda about collateral damage.
You’ve just made up a nonsense definition to make a point. The target is deliberate; it is Hamas fighters. Civilians are caught in the cross fire as they hide amongst civilians. Their deaths are on Hamas.
Getting killed in a cross fire refers to party A and B shooting at each other, and killing unrelated party C in the process. Here is the definition given by Cambridge Dictionary: Meaning of caught in crossfire in English caught in crossfire collocation (also caught in the crossfire) Add to word list hit accidentally when bullets are fired towards you from different directions but are not intended to hit you: Her husband was a teacher who got caught in crossfire. Three of the victims were civilians caught in the crossfire. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/caught-in-crossfire Here are several uses of that from news reporting. >MEXICO CITY (AP) — An American woman and a man from Belize have been killed in what appears to have been a dispute between drug dealers at a beach club in the Mexican resort city of Tulum, officials confirmed Sunday. > American woman killed in apparent crossfire in a drug dispute at the Mexican beach resort of Tulum https://apnews.com/article/american-killed-crossfire-beach-club-tulum-mexico-5dd3523774dad46e02cb5bcf3cf12544 Long Beach street vendor killed in crossfire of shooting https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/long-beach-street-vendor-killed-in-crossfire-of-shooting/3369965/ >South Sudan Probe Says US Journalist Died in 'Crossfire' https://www.voanews.com/a/south-sudan-probe-says-us-journalist-died-in-crossfire-/7538432.html >2-Year-Old Boy In Stroller Dies After Getting Caught In Crossfire Of Shooting https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/2-year-old-boy-in-stroller-dies-after-getting-caught-in-crossfire-of-shooting_n_65c791f0e4b069b665dfac10 >The target is deliberate; it is Hamas fighters. Civilians are caught in the cross fire as they hide amongst civilians. Their deaths are on Hamas. You need to make up your mind which propaganda line you want to go for. If Hamas is to blame for the deaths of civilians killed by Israeli bombs and missiles, because Hamas hides among civilians, then they are not killed in the cross fire, because there is no cross fire between Israeli jets and Hamas fighters. If civilians are killed in the cross fire, then these are accidental deaths happening due to what, exactly? Miss targeting? Ricochet? 10s of thousands of Arab civilians have been killed by miss-targeting and ricochet? Clearly not. And indeed, you know that because Hamas hide among civilians, as you say. So that targeting is deliberate and the killing of civilians a logical and probable consequence of the bombing, ergo not caught in the cross fire. Anyway, that's enough remedial courses in the English language. Back to the much more amusing topic of A) Twitter user being unaware that Serbs genocided Bosnians and B) the irony at the expense of partisans of Israel, who apparently is not guilty of genocide despite knowingly killing many more civilians than Serbs in Srebrenica.
> Getting killed in a cross fire refers to party A and B shooting at each other, and killing unrelated party C in the process This is quite literally exactly what is happening, are you simple?
I think you might be the dimmest defender of Israel I have ever met. The more realistic and hard headed defenders of Israel say the death toll is the consequence of urban warfare, which is brutal and the civilian casualties are proportionate to and justified by the military end sought, i.e. destruction of Hamas. WW2 is often given as a parallel here, where RAF, USAF etc deliberately bombed and killed German civilians. Other defenders are less realistic in their defence of the Gaza War, and prefer to say that Hamas is to blame for all deaths because Hamas started the war, and/or because Hamas uses civilians as human shields. This argument might be persuasive if we lived in the 17th century, but since at least the 18th century civilians have often been in the theatre of war, and in many cases its deliberate targets. And, like all wars, it takes two 2 tango, and so it is impossible to blame only 1 side for all the deaths in any war. But you are the first person I have ever met that argues Gazan civilians are accidentally and unintentionally killed while Hamas and Israel fight each other. Tell me, [have all the flattened buildings](https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-gaza-israel-bombing-destruction-hamas-reconstruction-f299a28410b70ee05dd764df97d8d3a0) been demolished by crossfire too?
>Tell me, have all the flattened buildings been demolished by crossfire too? Yes, how are you not getting this yet despite sharing the definition that confirms it? Anyway, point of the matter is they aren't intentionally targeting people based on their race and ethnicity so it doesn't fit any definition of a genocide.
>Yes, how are you not getting this yet despite sharing the definition that confirms it? You win dumbest Israel defender.
Genocide isn't about total number of deaths. Why does everyone who uses that word in relation to Israel Palestine not having a fucking clue how it works?
Woke: israel is genociding gaza Broke: serbia genocided bosnia bespoke: genocide in the post 1945 world is a politicised term and should be avoided
It's just completely regarded to suggest that Israelis dropping leaflets and doing dummy bomb drops, while setting up safe zones, calling people on their mobiles to get out of the neighbourhood they're in because shit is about to kick off, and treating the wounded Gazans is "genocide"
1: IRA gave pre warnings. Why do people think that matters? 2: I'm not calling Israels actions genocide. The problem is for the people that think killing 8600 men and boys is genocide, but whatever Israel is doing in Gaza isn't.
>Republic of Liverpool. Anti Zionist/Monarchy/Tory. Have Neurofibromatosis 1+ Essential Thrombocythaemia. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free LMAO The left CAN meme
They literally put in their bio a condition that increases the risk of them developing tumours. Wtf. These people are desperate for pity
Surely this is a parody?!?! Seems real though, she's also a Putin supporter. Bet she's voting for Galloway's outfit.
Another anti western twat
They subsequently acknowledge their lack of knowledge on the issue, so I really don't think it's a parody account at all. Their booing of Ukraine really underscores the glaring double-standard in their position, in that it's not so much "I stand against genocide" and more "I gain a weird sense of validation from making fake performative sicky-sounds at the thought of anything Western being seen as positive". Essentially it's the perfect example of your average G&P poster.
Another anti western twat
What a drama queen!
This rhetoric has no real thought put into it. It’s just feel good virtue signalling, and badly thought out virtue signalling at that.
Instead of that twee message Kier should have just typed COME ON LADS!
> Readers added context they thought people might want to know: > Serbia not only perpetrated war-crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, it was party to the Srebrenecia Genocide: >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre >It is also a supplier of weapons to Israel: >https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/10/as-gaza-is-pummelled-is-serbia-secretly-sending-weapons-to-israel Gotta love those community notes.
No problems claiming our benefits though.
Brilliant, haha. What a fucking dickhead
I started reading her posts. I am now 5 minutes older Small price to pay though. I'm sure she's actively instigating significant change in her local community
I’m on the right, and I support Serbia.