Hello again! Just saw you on my Clayface post haha. I definitely agree. I think the DCU had a slight edge because Matt Reeves is keeping his movies very grounded.
Don’t get me wrong, I love The Batman, but I’m tired of grounded Batman movies. Nolan had a balance. If someone asked me which series Clayface would fit in better, I feel Nolan’s universe would be able to explain away Clayface’s powers in a way that’s believable. However, Matt Reece’s universe would be good for some of Batman’s most psychologically damaged foes. A comic accurate Two-Face would be perfect for Matt Reeves universe.
Not when they're supposed to have healing abilities and one of the main ones is the grandfather of Nightwing. I'm not saying it can't work, just that it would be better with a Batman with years on him and past robins etc.
I didn't know about the Grayson thing honestly, or if I ever did I forgot
Also TBH I wish The Reeves Batman could have gone in the direction of getting progressively fantastical over time but dunno if that's gonna happen now with there being another Batman in James Gunn's universe
I mean, personally, the most interesting thing about the court of the owls from the comics is the mystery, the investigation, and the mental effects the court has on batman, which would be perfect for the reevesverse. Nothing supernatural needed
The story got a lot less interesting when it was just batman fighting talons imo
The pages going sideways then upside-down fucked with me in a way I haven't seen since the last Scarecrow level in Arkham Asylum and I loved every second of it.
The weakest part of the story was Batman and his sidekicks fighting these immortal zombies who were actually brainwashed child soldiers, it was a predictable and boring end to an incredible start to New 52 Batman's story. The first 5 issues of the storyline where Bruce was uncovering Gotham's shady past were fantastic, ending in the maze. It went downhill from there.
This is why I ultimately think the DCU having its own Batman is a bad idea. Each franchise is only going to have half the villains.
I think tonally CoO is a Reevesverse story. Definitely a "final movie" one, and one that requires Robin, but I think DCU will be too high fantasy for it.
So DCU without Batman would be better ?
Batman has tons of villains ,some not adapted to movies in more than 20 years or never
I think only Riddler, Bane,Two-face,penguin and The Joker were adapted more than once in movies
That leaves so Many ,Court of Owls, Freeze,Ivy,Clayface ,Scarecrow,Killer Croc,Zassz,Professor Pyg,Mad Hatter and The list goes on and on
Batman as the best and most impressive rougues gallery of any hero (in my opinion even better than Spider-Man) but the movies were mainly dominated by the Joker and a few others
And there nothing wrong In both Batman sharing villains,Im sure the DCU Will attempt that their own Riddler for example be distanct enough from reeves Riddler
Doesn’t matter because Batman has so many great villains that can single handedly lead the villain role if need be. For instance you could do an entire three part environmentalist story with the main villains being ra’s al ghul, posion ivy, Talia Al ghul and that’s just a single type of villain. You can mix and match any of his rouges gallery and get amazing content cause all of them are so great. Personally I’d like to see some tragic villains. like Mister Freeze and Clayface
DCU if they don’t smash it together with Batman & Robin like the DCAMU. I like them being a big connection to Dick and they should be part of his story
Definitely Reeves. Batman has always been better to me when it’s not supernatural, but only appears to be supernatural; just like him. Batman is just a dude dealing with other sick and twisted humans. He loses shine to me when he’s put in the same running as Superman and the threats he can face.
Sure, the Talons are zombies. But that can be switched out for abducted children from poor or orphaned situations (much like how Bruce was an orphan) and trained to do the bidding of the Court. Brainwashed and propagandized into completely loyal service, even if it means their deaths.
Reeves. It’s closer to his wheelhouse without being a *huge* leap away from the grounded world he set up in the last movie. While it’s on the supernatural side of things, I have a feeling BatB will be a completely different “Batman” film tonally (a little lighter, more into sci-fi/fantasy Gotham, more connected with a super-powered world, more-fantastical villains, a less-grim and obviously less self-reliant Batman, more room for joy/humor from sidekicks and hangers-on, etc.).
My favorite answer. Besides, The Spectre movie was pretty much just COO and it was subpar too. The Talons looking cool is the only thing they have going for them.
Reeves but not for a few more movies. The court works best when Batman doesn’t find out about them until years into his tenure. I’m talking Dick just became nightwing time. And I think it would be more impactful with a Batman we’ve spent a lot of time with
The batverse. The batman is all about the secrets of Gotham. It would make sense to reveal that behind falcone was the court
While they're very different concepts I feel like within the confines of a trilogy which I assume roughly the dcu batman will get the league of assassins makes more sense since they're bringing in Damian
They can be made to fit either. I didn't buy The Reeves universe as super grounded and realistic, I got more pulpy vibes. There's room for steampunk freeze chambers full of ancient zombie warriors imo. I love me some Court of Owls regardless, give me a 10 episode mini-series following the court and it's talons from the early days of Gotham.
DCU. The Court works better with an already established Batman who's been doing it for a long time and thinks he knows the city, only for it to be secretly run by the Court right under his nose the whole time.
I feel like Reeves is building up to The Court Of Owls. The whole Gotham Renewal Project and Bruce's parents being corrupt hints towards a future Court of Owls storyline
It fits more into the DCU with the whole zombie soldier thing, although Reeves is a fan of Snyder's work and the Court's themes would make sense with what was established in the first film.
If I have to be honest, I kinda hope Reeve's Batman will be part of the DCU. I'm tired of having these movies with almost the same stuff done repeatedly. With The Batman the DCU has a great starting point, a young Batman, now let's explore young Superman and with all that we will eventually get our Justice League. And maybe why not, an Injustice adaptation?
Maybe as an actor but definitely not have The Batman as a DCU movie. Complete different tones. Also complete void the Injustice adaptation, hard hard hard pass
I highly doubt it will happen with Reeves. He wants to continue the ridiculously stagnated grounded-in-reality approach that Nolan perfected to Batman. Undead assassins seem out of bounds there.
Gunn might do it for his version but I doubt it here as well. Kobra Cult should be the villains in my opinion. The court needs time to breathe after back to back to back failures after being attached to horrible projects. First they were ruined in Gotham FOX then ruined Gotham Knights 2022 with the game being mediocre and lastly with the HORRENDOUS Gotham Knights CW show. They were getting defeated by high schoolers who took a Tae Bo class for a week.
The ridiculously stagnated grounded Batman was a success of both critics and audiences, when they tried to make a more sci fi Batman who fought against aliens with hi tech weapons and armors the public wasn’t interested
Fans were highly interested in BVS however Zack Snyder is a horrible screenplay writer and Schumacher came in after WB freaked out after the super dark Batman Returns 1992 by making it super Campy and childish. Because of this everyone is too afraid of pushing the boundaries with the character. Batman is the most versatile fictional character of all time yet we don't get to see it.
Taking inspiration from 1982s The Thing.
Batman has to fight Blob Clayface using practical effects as much as possible. Batman will be the world's greatest detective without advanced tech and will have to pay attention to people's mannerisms to determine whether or not they are who they say they are. Batman is investigating why Clayface is murdering Daggett executives and senators while defeating assassins hired by Daggett to stop Clayface and Batman. Batman will also have showcase his legendary scientific knowledge to develop a cure for Clayface after discovering that Clayface's condition isn’t sustainable and will soon kill him. Have Guillermo Del Toro direct it. Look at what he did with Blade 2 in 2002, Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy 2004 & Hellboy 2 The Golden Army 2008.
This seems more like an unrealizable fantasy, you should think in a more "commercially rational" way, plus Del Toro almost never makes big money when he directs blockbuster films. It’s pretty simple to me: when they did a grounded Batman they did big money with praises from fans and critics, when they did campy or sci-fi Batman they had mostly jokes, controversy, criticism and low interest
Thematically the Court itself fits the Reevesverse better, but genre-wise the Talons fit the DCU better
Hello again! Just saw you on my Clayface post haha. I definitely agree. I think the DCU had a slight edge because Matt Reeves is keeping his movies very grounded.
Hey! Yeah the grounded aspect is something that was cool when Nolan did it, but I fear now is holding Batman films back somewhat.
Don’t get me wrong, I love The Batman, but I’m tired of grounded Batman movies. Nolan had a balance. If someone asked me which series Clayface would fit in better, I feel Nolan’s universe would be able to explain away Clayface’s powers in a way that’s believable. However, Matt Reece’s universe would be good for some of Batman’s most psychologically damaged foes. A comic accurate Two-Face would be perfect for Matt Reeves universe.
DCU. Let the mob be the squeeze for Reeves. Court has zombies and shit and supernatural elements. Keep all that within the DCU at this point.
You can have court of owls without supernatural elements
Yeah but it would be cooler with them in it, otherwise they're just another secret society and nothing special
Are the owl-suited assassins not cool enough?
Not when they're supposed to have healing abilities and one of the main ones is the grandfather of Nightwing. I'm not saying it can't work, just that it would be better with a Batman with years on him and past robins etc.
I didn't know about the Grayson thing honestly, or if I ever did I forgot Also TBH I wish The Reeves Batman could have gone in the direction of getting progressively fantastical over time but dunno if that's gonna happen now with there being another Batman in James Gunn's universe
Yeah I wish so too, but I think Reeves has said he's keeping it grounded or something.
I had an idea of like a Mr Freeze. Court of Owls film where they ask him for his cryo expertise to thaw their frozen Talons or something
I think that happens in the city of owls crossover, they wanted to use Freeze for something like that, I just remember Red Hood was involved.
Just if that was New 52 that was probably "Nora isn't really his wife" era Freeze and uh we are not having that again
No that would be lame.
I mean, personally, the most interesting thing about the court of the owls from the comics is the mystery, the investigation, and the mental effects the court has on batman, which would be perfect for the reevesverse. Nothing supernatural needed The story got a lot less interesting when it was just batman fighting talons imo
I SO AGREE I Love the Batman in a maze part
The pages going sideways then upside-down fucked with me in a way I haven't seen since the last Scarecrow level in Arkham Asylum and I loved every second of it.
The weakest part of the story was Batman and his sidekicks fighting these immortal zombies who were actually brainwashed child soldiers, it was a predictable and boring end to an incredible start to New 52 Batman's story. The first 5 issues of the storyline where Bruce was uncovering Gotham's shady past were fantastic, ending in the maze. It went downhill from there.
This is why I ultimately think the DCU having its own Batman is a bad idea. Each franchise is only going to have half the villains. I think tonally CoO is a Reevesverse story. Definitely a "final movie" one, and one that requires Robin, but I think DCU will be too high fantasy for it.
So DCU without Batman would be better ? Batman has tons of villains ,some not adapted to movies in more than 20 years or never I think only Riddler, Bane,Two-face,penguin and The Joker were adapted more than once in movies That leaves so Many ,Court of Owls, Freeze,Ivy,Clayface ,Scarecrow,Killer Croc,Zassz,Professor Pyg,Mad Hatter and The list goes on and on Batman as the best and most impressive rougues gallery of any hero (in my opinion even better than Spider-Man) but the movies were mainly dominated by the Joker and a few others And there nothing wrong In both Batman sharing villains,Im sure the DCU Will attempt that their own Riddler for example be distanct enough from reeves Riddler
I think best case scenario is Pattinson being the DCU’s Batman.
Doesn’t matter because Batman has so many great villains that can single handedly lead the villain role if need be. For instance you could do an entire three part environmentalist story with the main villains being ra’s al ghul, posion ivy, Talia Al ghul and that’s just a single type of villain. You can mix and match any of his rouges gallery and get amazing content cause all of them are so great. Personally I’d like to see some tragic villains. like Mister Freeze and Clayface
I'll take half the villains in each as long as we don't keep getting the same few villains endlessly
I'd stick with DCU.
DCU. The Talons are too unrealistic for the Reeves series
Just they are super trained Ninjas and they Children that were kidnapped and indotrinated by the Court No Zombie stuff
DCU by far ,Reeves deserve more classic villains ,btw i liked af the animated film "Son of Batman" that i rememberd was about Damián and court of owls
Reeves for sure. Dcy has been trying to get off the ground since 2016. Time to put it down.
are you thinking of the dceu rather than the upcoming dcu? different things
DCU if they don’t smash it together with Batman & Robin like the DCAMU. I like them being a big connection to Dick and they should be part of his story
In Reeves Batman movies. It's a perfect fit to have court of owls. Hopefully in 3rd movie we'll get to see that
Definitely Reeves. Batman has always been better to me when it’s not supernatural, but only appears to be supernatural; just like him. Batman is just a dude dealing with other sick and twisted humans. He loses shine to me when he’s put in the same running as Superman and the threats he can face. Sure, the Talons are zombies. But that can be switched out for abducted children from poor or orphaned situations (much like how Bruce was an orphan) and trained to do the bidding of the Court. Brainwashed and propagandized into completely loyal service, even if it means their deaths.
Reeves. It’s closer to his wheelhouse without being a *huge* leap away from the grounded world he set up in the last movie. While it’s on the supernatural side of things, I have a feeling BatB will be a completely different “Batman” film tonally (a little lighter, more into sci-fi/fantasy Gotham, more connected with a super-powered world, more-fantastical villains, a less-grim and obviously less self-reliant Batman, more room for joy/humor from sidekicks and hangers-on, etc.).
Neither. The Court of Owls sucks and I don't want to see them in a movie.
My favorite answer. Besides, The Spectre movie was pretty much just COO and it was subpar too. The Talons looking cool is the only thing they have going for them.
Micheal Keaton's batman. Do it.
How about black glove for one, Court of Owls for another? I think R.I.P arc suits Battinson pretty well.
Should definitely be the DCU.
I would say Reeves-verse tbh. Although I agree with others here that the Talons would work better in the DCU.
Dcu
DCU. Even though I am hoping for the court of owls in the Reevesverse
Reeves
Reeves.
Cut the undead and leave talons as brainwashed child soldiers and it's Reeves.
Reeves but not for a few more movies. The court works best when Batman doesn’t find out about them until years into his tenure. I’m talking Dick just became nightwing time. And I think it would be more impactful with a Batman we’ve spent a lot of time with
The batverse. The batman is all about the secrets of Gotham. It would make sense to reveal that behind falcone was the court While they're very different concepts I feel like within the confines of a trilogy which I assume roughly the dcu batman will get the league of assassins makes more sense since they're bringing in Damian
Oh yeah! But Batfleck can handle it.
The court is the final enemy of the reevesverse , been saying that since the batman released
Am I the only one who really doesn't like the court of owls
They can be made to fit either. I didn't buy The Reeves universe as super grounded and realistic, I got more pulpy vibes. There's room for steampunk freeze chambers full of ancient zombie warriors imo. I love me some Court of Owls regardless, give me a 10 episode mini-series following the court and it's talons from the early days of Gotham.
DCU. The Court works better with an already established Batman who's been doing it for a long time and thinks he knows the city, only for it to be secretly run by the Court right under his nose the whole time.
I feel like Reeves is building up to The Court Of Owls. The whole Gotham Renewal Project and Bruce's parents being corrupt hints towards a future Court of Owls storyline
I prefer the Black Glove by a long shot
DCU. Reeves is probably going for Hush.
It fits more into the DCU with the whole zombie soldier thing, although Reeves is a fan of Snyder's work and the Court's themes would make sense with what was established in the first film.
Reeves would hit it out of the park.
If I have to be honest, I kinda hope Reeve's Batman will be part of the DCU. I'm tired of having these movies with almost the same stuff done repeatedly. With The Batman the DCU has a great starting point, a young Batman, now let's explore young Superman and with all that we will eventually get our Justice League. And maybe why not, an Injustice adaptation?
Maybe as an actor but definitely not have The Batman as a DCU movie. Complete different tones. Also complete void the Injustice adaptation, hard hard hard pass
I highly doubt it will happen with Reeves. He wants to continue the ridiculously stagnated grounded-in-reality approach that Nolan perfected to Batman. Undead assassins seem out of bounds there. Gunn might do it for his version but I doubt it here as well. Kobra Cult should be the villains in my opinion. The court needs time to breathe after back to back to back failures after being attached to horrible projects. First they were ruined in Gotham FOX then ruined Gotham Knights 2022 with the game being mediocre and lastly with the HORRENDOUS Gotham Knights CW show. They were getting defeated by high schoolers who took a Tae Bo class for a week.
The ridiculously stagnated grounded Batman was a success of both critics and audiences, when they tried to make a more sci fi Batman who fought against aliens with hi tech weapons and armors the public wasn’t interested
Fans were highly interested in BVS however Zack Snyder is a horrible screenplay writer and Schumacher came in after WB freaked out after the super dark Batman Returns 1992 by making it super Campy and childish. Because of this everyone is too afraid of pushing the boundaries with the character. Batman is the most versatile fictional character of all time yet we don't get to see it. Taking inspiration from 1982s The Thing. Batman has to fight Blob Clayface using practical effects as much as possible. Batman will be the world's greatest detective without advanced tech and will have to pay attention to people's mannerisms to determine whether or not they are who they say they are. Batman is investigating why Clayface is murdering Daggett executives and senators while defeating assassins hired by Daggett to stop Clayface and Batman. Batman will also have showcase his legendary scientific knowledge to develop a cure for Clayface after discovering that Clayface's condition isn’t sustainable and will soon kill him. Have Guillermo Del Toro direct it. Look at what he did with Blade 2 in 2002, Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy 2004 & Hellboy 2 The Golden Army 2008.
This seems more like an unrealizable fantasy, you should think in a more "commercially rational" way, plus Del Toro almost never makes big money when he directs blockbuster films. It’s pretty simple to me: when they did a grounded Batman they did big money with praises from fans and critics, when they did campy or sci-fi Batman they had mostly jokes, controversy, criticism and low interest