Some of these changes are WILD, I tell you! Never have I expected such a turn in reworking a tower and its functionality like the Village and Cyber Quincy, ans definitely makes them more a reason to test then out once Casual mode resurfaces (yes they confirmed its return, read them notes, peep). Nonetheless I look forward to what season 20 brings to the table!
Meh not much, price increase on hose is somewhat significant but you would have to send a massive regrow rush to pierce cap growblocker, and yeah i also think people complain too much about this strategy when i face it extremely rarely
I feel like 10 win streak might be a bit harsh when you account for the possibility of disconnections, lagging out, crashing, etc.
If you have 9 win streak, and the game crashes during the next match, youād have to start at 0 win streak again. The old trophy system didnāt have this problem.
it's not that difficult if you are a lot better then your opponents, so I'm guessing they are trying to allow people who are much much better then there opponents to not be forced to stay in the same league for a week.
Most of these balance changes are great, however, I still am inclined to believe that the new Leagues system is flawed, even after the new changes are implemented. I like the idea of adding a 10 win streak to grant the Fast Track option instead of a grind to whoever gets 50 trophies the fastest, and no limit to how many people fast track, however.
Not quite sure about the balance of the newly reworked Monkey Town (now Monkeyconomy) and Monkey City, because by the time that the new Monkeyopolis is unlocked, the bonus income to Bloon sends would become obsolete. I think it would be still okay to allow Monkey City to continue granting +20% income from Bloon Sends.
Personally I think Monkeyconomy should be raised in price by 200-400 dollars but give a 5% eco bonus, while Monkey City gives another 5%, and Monkeyopolis gives an additional 10% on top of that so that it equals 20% still but has better stepping stone upgrades.
1. An update like this should have waited 1.5 days until the season ended. This is unacceptable timing. Glad I don't take the game seriously right now; but if I were currently grinding for a medal I'd be pissed. Such an unserious decision by the dev team in terms of timing.
2. This is literally game breaking. Thought it was a typo that master bomber atk speed is going from 2 -> 0.18, but that's actually in the game. The tower is 11x stronger now, stupid broken. Plus the village farms and druid x3x also seem to be broken. Was any math done or play testing done to validate these changes? Especially the master bomber changes are egregious.
3. This update is so terrible that Ryan is having to cancel his huge tournament he was planning for this Saturday. Not a good look to roll out an update so bad that it's causing people to cancel community events.
I agree, although I do like alot of the changes besides the ninja (bug?) and druid/village farming. Those 3 things alone are super impactful and will just run the meta until fixed
Harsh, but true. It's an embarrassment how Ninjakiwi chooses to ruin their battles games. I still remember quitting BTDB1 after they added those shitty powers to the game; nowadays it seems like BTDB2's hardly doing any better.
These balance changes are AMAZING! I think NK really outdid themselves this time around because the changes are just so unique compared to anything they did before!
These changes are EXCITING! I mean, x3x druid making income so early on? Village bottom path getting a rework to be usable in the early game? More Ace targeting potential? Glue gunner rework? Obyn making tier 5's cheaper? Overclock working on Sentry Champion? Cyber Quincy actually having noticeable differences? Its all just so so cool, and I am just so excited about them! I think the balance changes this time around is really good just because of how unique they are! Well done NK! I'm also happy they didn't nerf Ettiene since I personally think he is perfectly balanced already.
Really the only issue is that you guys still want to keep the new ranked system and want to tweak it instead of removing it outright. That is very disappointing, especially since the changes you listed does not do anything for HOM players like me who avoid Ranked like the plaque because we have responsibilities and don't want to sacrifice our entire lives to this game. I still am unable to just come in and play some ranked games whenever i want. Instead, I am forced to make an unreasonable and incredibly unfun commitment. Please do something about this. Please.
I entirely agree. This patch might get me into the game again. I'm really excited about Sentry Champagne being able to be buffed by Overclock because maybe now the tower will be usable. I may start using village in my strategies too, and like how it and the druid changes buff alt eco. Faster darts actually doing something? Heck yeah. I really don't think NK can make the new ranked system work, and they should just cut their losses
I think these are good changes. Nerfing some strong towers and buffing some weak ones. I'm surprised not to see any nerfs to Etienne yet, as his early game defense + MIB + UCAV are still really strong, but at least Fadora got a slight nerf.
I'm ambivalent on casual, but I'm glad for the fast track rework. The win streak thing (+ no limit on fast tracks) is something that I've wanted day 1, and I'm surprised it took this long to make the change, since the old system was so clearly flawed.
As others are saying, the grindy nature of arena leagues is still annoying, and I still don't like the lack of penalty for losing, which means that people with horrible winrates but who play a lot can still promote to arenas where they're severely outmatched.
For people who only play bloons off-and-on, it's quite literally better to just not play at all to avoid getting placed in a league, rather than play a little and get demoted regardless of their winrate. It just doesn't seem skill-based anymore, which is strange for a ranked system to not be.
okay, since I am lms, I will do just that:
1. Tight leads were DECENT ECO and OP PRESSURE, and they literally just BUFFED THEIR ECO EFFICIENCY without nerfing their PRESSURE.
2. Grouped ceramics got overbuffed for no reason, idk, they just found a bloon and did a completely random change to it
3. Dart nerfed, boomer not nerfed (and even buffed), xd xd, nicely done nk
4. Glue is op? BUFF IT, give it more slowdown, dont nerf bloon solver, dont nerf anything.
5. A bunch of players learned how to ace micro properly? Make a change to it that no one asked for.
6. I do not think druid even needs any comments, we are playtesting it rn, and it seems op lol
7. Village is about the same as druid, except they did an even dumber change, xx3 village pays off in 3 rounds, while xx4 pays in 4.8 rounds, SO NO POINT in going xx4, just spam xx3
8. Buff to highwayman, not enough nerfs to fateweaver and ettiene.
9, Bomb being at least in top 3 towers this update, maybe even in top 2, recieved a nice nerf of NOTHING
10. Thanks for fixing the server bug.... OOPS, they didnt fix it!
11. Lastly, thanks NK for nerfing tight moabs, tight bfbs and thanks for removing the awful ranking system. Very cool of you (nope)
I didn't actually expect you to write this, so kudos!
1. Ok I actually didn't do the math, so surprisingly you are right, tight leads are more efficient eco now. Point taken. That *is* a very strange change.
2. Also fair enough. I was thinking that it seemed like an interesting change to promote r16 aggression, but I guess nearly tripling the eco gain, buffing price and spacing is a bit strange too. Especially since grouped cerams were already a decent rush before this update.
3. SMFC deserved the nerf imo. Dart is (was?) one of the strongest towers, period. I mean, you've seen dfm, surely. Not nerfing crossbow might've been a missed opportunity but SMFC did deserve a nerf.
I'm not sure why you think boomer deserves a nerf? It's hardly meta. The kylie buff seems useless; I doubt I'll ever buy it over attack speed still.
4. fair
5. QOL change is QOL change. Good players have higher Ace skill ceiling, and bad players don't change.
6. fair, druid farm seems crazy
7. i see what you mean
8. I did mention in my comment that I thought Etienne deserved a nerf. Oh well. Fadora nerf deserved, though I too was hoping for a bigger nerf.
9. Fair. I still think many of the changes they made are good, like nerfing regrow blocker and mortar (could've used more), buffing bad heroes like cyber quincy and sentai, but I should've also mentioned there were some things I wished they *had* changed, like bomb being good at everything, yeah. Those're missed opportunities rather than "bad changes" though imo.
10. ĀÆ\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ nk moment
11. I actually like the pressure that tight moab sends do. Forces defense but are hardly undefendable. Tight bfbs are kinda mediocre still.
I did also mention that I still dislike the ranking system, but the change to fast track is better than the 50-trophy 1-player-limit fast track from before, you gotta admit. Even if I too would've preferred no arena leagues at all.
Itās insane to disagree with the ace flight path option just because some people learned to micro it
One of the best QOL adjustments this game has seen and will lead to more people playing with ace especially at lower levels
quick update: x3x druids are more efficient to spam early game than grouped eco bloons, than farms, and they defend pretty much all bloons, you also cannot rush at any point in time and it's literally a uncounterable strategy. Nicely done nk
for 2nd: they messed up somewhere in the ninja attack speed, and now shinobi buffed ninjas are shooting at god knows what speed.
So it is double ggs for the game
>I'm surprised not to see any nerfs to Etienne yet
Really? I haven't played too much in the last month or so, but he seems rather weak the first 6ish rounds.
zomg, btd6 patch notes... :o ok i'll give more thoughts though
well, the boltrix emote is there (only not using it because of tough competition lol, could maybe switch out "Too Cute!" but i dunno i like cuteness) but I only see one new banner (it's unavailable so I assume it's ISAB's) and while Tewtiy already showed off his PFP before I also don't see it listed.
ceramic buffs >:3!!!
yey dart a bit more balanced
btd6 relglue :o i hope glue's still balanced after this. i mean, i guess $200 more on glue hose at least
Beating BTD6 to the punch on the commonly-requested other orientations for Centered Path!!
I hope Heli Pilot stays balanced after that, I'm definitely interested in giving it another go now.
Mortar nerfs :D!!!!!
yay wizard seeing through walls is more relevent
ninja's interesting, i don't think i'll return to camo sticky bomb on inflec after the release of etienne but maybe another day i'll use it and i like having the option
aww im gonna miss boat druid letting druid pay themself off in one ability usage like a mini heli pilot... definitely huge on druid of the jungle getting money making though, and i guess that that kind of balances out overall since they make more money regardless, even if it'll be slow enough to make that instant payback not a thing. t3 sooo cheap though, i guess still over 1k combining everything but still lol, merchant is defeated for cheapest non-farm money for sure.
uhhh not big on the village change actually just kind of takes what's unique from it? i dunno tho maybe you plan on introducing a new tower that features that mechanic. also weird that the lategame centric support tower is using money making tactics that are favoured more earlygame but i guess that works as balancing.
honestly surprised the engi thing wasn't already a thing, i thought overclock senchamp was already strong. now it's gonna be even more ridiculous >:3 although come to think of it ace engi farm wasn't hit... **uh oh**
interesting cyber quincy changes. that projectile speed means he REALLY never misses now! the lore thickens... i only cyber quince it up on ports where he can reach both sides but even if i don't get to mix things up with the seeing through crates (could help with regens...) i at least should have a more reliable time with his increased projectile speed! def interested in the damage gimmick too.
gwen nerfs :)
i assume ocyn is not meant to say specifically druids lol? as for how this affects what i said earlier about inflection, i'm not trying to go that late anyway. then again this might be a copy paste error since his level 12 in-game simply says increased attack speed, even though obyn's was updated accordion.
WOOO Sentai buff!!! Anime wins!!!!
hope highwayman doesn't become big strong again now lol
that makes sense for adora. also thanks for the deets on her level 3, even popology currently doesn't have that info. (i'm surprised they don't just datamine it...?) looking forward to an in-game resource!!!
WOOO A LOOKING FORWARD PAGE!!! It's small but it's so good just to have one at this point, I hope they become a regular thing and that they become more expansive!!!
note: Druid only needs to use the money grab two times and standard ability once to pay off when in Favoured Trades range. This means the Druid only takes 7 seconds longer than before to pay themself off, since they need 22 seconds. So that synergy is still really strong.
*If they move the Jungles Bounty's price down into Druid of the Jungle instead of outright increasing the price then this synergy will remain while also making Druid way more balanced, although I wonder if that'd be balanced enough tbh lol*
another note: actually they already pay themself off a little bit before you actually get jungle's bounty so it probably evens out to a strong benefit at this point
>Ocean Obyn Level 12: Druids in range get +1 damage to all bloons (previously this was only to fortified bloons)
is this meant to say all magic monkeys?
well the seasons are half the length now, so it's a mid-season update. a day before it, but still
actually come to think of it this still affects hom, yikes
Tbh just make it so that at a specific amount of trophies you are guaranteed to go to the next league but you just donāt get rewards for being in the top 5 (if there are rewards for that idk)
You know what . Fuck this update and fuck this game.
You are killing any interest anyone would have.
Stop needing towers that literally needed no nerfs
Remove this shitty league system that NOBODY likes.. it's awful and whoever suggested should be sacked.
Genuinely the last few updates have been some of the worst shit I've laid my eyes on.
0/10 guys.. piss poor show.
Something is love to see is a pacifist mode. I was in ZOMG Superdome, then after a long break I came back to being in Ceramic Crucible. I'd love an option at the beginning of a season to opt out in case you are going on a vacation or something and don't want to have to climb all the way back up.
Here's some questions: why did it take so long to rework fast track? Why is the 10 ws fast track change not already implemented into the game? Waiting for 4.1 seems strange when the latest league ended just a day after you made this post.
Why is the terrible grindy league system still a thing, even?
One oversight for villages - you can't place a discounted tower unless you can afford the full priced tower. For example, if i have a xx1 village i should be able to buy a supermonkey for $1620, but he would be greyed out until i have $1800 (can't select even with a hotkey). It's always been a problem but more obvious now that bottom path village is popular
Fan club I'd rather have the max number of affected monkeys reduced since it's hard to get a lot down in time for a rush, specially on mobile
Ninja I don't get what you've done. 023 is unaffected, sticky bomb gets a negligible middle path buff compared to top path's -30%. Meanwhile Master bomber will dish out a sticky every 0.18 seconds???
Village is interesting, I've never found it a fun tower and I've never been too fond of it's users... On the top of my head the numbers seem off. It's really efficient
Engi buff is nice. Again watch out for 520 engi! It's slept on the dps is good!
Gwen nerfs are welcome. Cocktail tick rate nerf is what I wanted. I also wanted the firestorm damage buff removed but I guess a slower XP gain is fine for now
Ocean Obyn tier 5 buffs is funny, nothing huge but I'll look forward to it. Adora is still bad dunno why the nerf.
Overall O- to the -K patch. I'm looking forward to trying the new village. Arenas are the big elephant in the room, I hate I have to play a lot instead of well to not get demoted. 10 winstreaks should save me from the Bfb hell I've fallen into but I'm still waiting for a fix
023 is affected. flash bomb is every 3 attacks, so if the base attack speed is faster then that comes out more. flash bomb isn't its own attack, it replaces the shuriken.
i don't know wazzup with mbomb
Ah right, that's what they meant. Even if mbomb has a typo and they meant 1.18, that's faster than a 105. The caltrops change doesn't make sense either. 9->8 caltrops don't come out every 9 seconds
Ah I saw it. That's a top path master bomb tho, dunno if shinobis should be enough to make it attack like that. If middle path attacks even faster it's gonna sticky even the moabs
both paths benefit from the master bomb speed increase, when it says 0x5 it's because 105 would apply Ninja Discipline's decrease on time between attacks.
Nerfing tight leads š¤”
Whatever mess of motor balancing besides reverting the base cost discount from long ago š¤”
Not removing leagues altogether and going back to the old system š¤”
Literally could fix almost all issues by reverting changes rather than these band-aid on top balancing
Edit: also smfc nerf š¤” literally only has one job which is to defend r19-20 (canāt solo anything past that) and dart sucks without fedora
you have to send a lot more than 2500 in leads to force much. also what i just said defend tight fmoabs, fzomgs, and fddts. if you think using a single ability that costs 2k to micro defending all of that was fine then idk man
If you think Iām going to send tight mobes or anything besides one single ddt into a smfc+shattering shells motor to force smfc micro and draining idk man
even a single ddt is a terrible send since it costs 2k to micro smfc. and no im not saying anyone would send, preventing them from sending without having to buy the upgrade means you can greed harder. and you said it does nothing against anything past 20, when you just admitted it easily defends every send but tlead (you only need shattering start of 26, it even beats tfmoabs without it)
It cost $2600 to micro smfc *before* the nerf. And thats not factoring in the $10k needed to have shattering shells up nonstop (canāt be sold). So it sounds more like motor is the problem, which has already been the case. Smfc can only handle one set of tight fmobes so why is $8000 of towers defending an $8000 rush a problem?
you can replace mortar with glike or gwen or village or foam. it isnāt mortar. also only needed on 26 and a 10k tower doesnāt impact you a lot at that point. and if you think a tower defending something for the same price as the rush is balanced you donāt know how this game works. first strike is one of the best options for a reg zomg, and it costs 3x as much as one
The ability to fast track has been practically nonexistent for the majority. Well not anymore, as a 10 winstreak will now grant you to promote instantly. Still not as fast as the previous system, but this is a HUGE improvement per se.
Unfortunately, casual mode is back and I don't like it. It only served to reinforce bad habits of newer players aka bad ecoing, poor tower understanding, etc...
Buffing spaced and grouped ceramics is a great change imo, though tight ceramics needs to be unlocked WAY earlier than r28 as tight MOABs exists ( well it's cheaper now I guess ) .
Ok so Relentless Glue is now on par with BTD6, holy cow. If there's one thing this upgrade is good as, it's the ability to stunlock dense MOAB class bloons, and that has scary defensive potential.
Lol druid might get called out for being the old Bloon Trap 2.0, as it earns money on popping bloons ( plus it's RBE independent, so a red bloon and a ceramic bloon are both earned $100 if popped by it ).
Mortar's early game nerf is quite significant as it's now targeted on its base pierce, and both prices for x1x and x2x. Still cheeses bloon factory with 022 mortar until r7-8.
Monkey Ace's xx2 is finally good, and might actually be more viable in maps with less than favorable coverage. Heli's Faster Darts now gives extra pierce to improve its dps crosspathing potential ( as camo detecting upgrades are far more valuable in this game compared to BTD6 )
Overclock being able to affect subtowers when being applied to its main tower is cool, and finally has that quadratic buff effect similar to Village's Call at Arms, speaking of which,Ā
Bottom path village is now farm 2.0, plus a nerf to Grow Blocker's infinite pierce down to 200 is more than welcomed change ( as it invalidates tight regrows with the right placement for such a cheap price ).
Gwen, Adora and Fateweaver all have now their base pierce nerfed. For Gwen, she no longer defends grouped reds and spaced blues by herself and thus an additional tower is needed if you wanted to prevent early game leaks. For Fate, her lvl 3 pierce multiplier nerf is much needed, as burst abilities tend to be more effective at dealing rushes than their sustained counterparts.
Highwayman's notoriously high initial cooldown makes him lose its value to pressure opponents in money counting, so it's a fair change.
I gloss the rest of balance changes, as I think NK did a satisfactory job in explaining those.
Yeah i think it does, top path needs more pierce, and middle path needs some serious buffs a 240 boat and a 320 glue cant even defend regrow rainbows without boost
well, top path needs more pierce maybe yes (i was thinking more for grouped rushes), but monkey pirates can eat an entire fortiBFB it's fine. also yeah a lot of monkey pirates is bombs, so regen rainbows aren't its strong suit. you're better off going for more glue or smthn. that's why you have 3 towers lol.
destroyer BBrew is a thing. i ran with it towards the start of the game's lifespan when i didn't boat farm because i was bad at the game. BBrew was also way cheaper as you can imagine.
Also, just to note; the Nexus tournament rewards will be sent out to those waiting for them within the next 48 hours. Sorry for the delay!
A DEFEND, IS A DEFEND EMOTE! 10/10 update
if only everything else wasn't the worst changes to ever be added into the game...
Massive disagree
eeeeverything else? every single thing?
They fixed fast tracking though?
Let's gooooo. :D
W emote indeed. š„
Well, it's a good emote. Good job Boltrix..
Some of these changes are WILD, I tell you! Never have I expected such a turn in reworking a tower and its functionality like the Village and Cyber Quincy, ans definitely makes them more a reason to test then out once Casual mode resurfaces (yes they confirmed its return, read them notes, peep). Nonetheless I look forward to what season 20 brings to the table!
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No! No glue gunner buffs please! I HATE TACK GLUE VILLAGE!!! Edit: they made village produce money. Its so over.
šš at least they nerfed hose and growblocker
What does it change tho? And don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this strategy, but I've never seen this strategy outside of mayan
Meh not much, price increase on hose is somewhat significant but you would have to send a massive regrow rush to pierce cap growblocker, and yeah i also think people complain too much about this strategy when i face it extremely rarely
dart glue village is/was meta, so that's nerfed now
Adora noooš„² Highwayman yippieeš
Fateweaver still broken asf
Oh dear. I I haven't played her much, just Adora
make the leagues less grind based ffs. i dont want to play 10 games a day to get into ZOMG. i like to play my 2-4 games a day.
I agree but your streaks pass on until the next day. You can still play 2-4 games a day it'll just take 3-5 days instead to get to the next league.
It's not like I have 100% wins... I have like 60-75% wins
Then 5-10 days I guess?
Leagues are weekly...
You still promote after getting 20+ trophies...
Nah, promote only if you get 20+ AND beat the other players, which you probably won't beat with 2-4 games a day
I feel like 10 win streak might be a bit harsh when you account for the possibility of disconnections, lagging out, crashing, etc. If you have 9 win streak, and the game crashes during the next match, youād have to start at 0 win streak again. The old trophy system didnāt have this problem.
it's not that difficult if you are a lot better then your opponents, so I'm guessing they are trying to allow people who are much much better then there opponents to not be forced to stay in the same league for a week.
Most of these balance changes are great, however, I still am inclined to believe that the new Leagues system is flawed, even after the new changes are implemented. I like the idea of adding a 10 win streak to grant the Fast Track option instead of a grind to whoever gets 50 trophies the fastest, and no limit to how many people fast track, however. Not quite sure about the balance of the newly reworked Monkey Town (now Monkeyconomy) and Monkey City, because by the time that the new Monkeyopolis is unlocked, the bonus income to Bloon sends would become obsolete. I think it would be still okay to allow Monkey City to continue granting +20% income from Bloon Sends.
Personally I think Monkeyconomy should be raised in price by 200-400 dollars but give a 5% eco bonus, while Monkey City gives another 5%, and Monkeyopolis gives an additional 10% on top of that so that it equals 20% still but has better stepping stone upgrades.
Should have added a ālel fak u modderz šā to the end of the patch notes cuz yes
1. An update like this should have waited 1.5 days until the season ended. This is unacceptable timing. Glad I don't take the game seriously right now; but if I were currently grinding for a medal I'd be pissed. Such an unserious decision by the dev team in terms of timing. 2. This is literally game breaking. Thought it was a typo that master bomber atk speed is going from 2 -> 0.18, but that's actually in the game. The tower is 11x stronger now, stupid broken. Plus the village farms and druid x3x also seem to be broken. Was any math done or play testing done to validate these changes? Especially the master bomber changes are egregious. 3. This update is so terrible that Ryan is having to cancel his huge tournament he was planning for this Saturday. Not a good look to roll out an update so bad that it's causing people to cancel community events.
I agree, although I do like alot of the changes besides the ninja (bug?) and druid/village farming. Those 3 things alone are super impactful and will just run the meta until fixed
Harsh, but true. It's an embarrassment how Ninjakiwi chooses to ruin their battles games. I still remember quitting BTDB1 after they added those shitty powers to the game; nowadays it seems like BTDB2's hardly doing any better.
My Singing Monsters, and Bloons TD Battles 2 both have Nexus' now. What's a Nexus.Ā
Nexus is the system that allows content creators to get a share of the money a game makes from people who use their unique code.
These balance changes are AMAZING! I think NK really outdid themselves this time around because the changes are just so unique compared to anything they did before! These changes are EXCITING! I mean, x3x druid making income so early on? Village bottom path getting a rework to be usable in the early game? More Ace targeting potential? Glue gunner rework? Obyn making tier 5's cheaper? Overclock working on Sentry Champion? Cyber Quincy actually having noticeable differences? Its all just so so cool, and I am just so excited about them! I think the balance changes this time around is really good just because of how unique they are! Well done NK! I'm also happy they didn't nerf Ettiene since I personally think he is perfectly balanced already. Really the only issue is that you guys still want to keep the new ranked system and want to tweak it instead of removing it outright. That is very disappointing, especially since the changes you listed does not do anything for HOM players like me who avoid Ranked like the plaque because we have responsibilities and don't want to sacrifice our entire lives to this game. I still am unable to just come in and play some ranked games whenever i want. Instead, I am forced to make an unreasonable and incredibly unfun commitment. Please do something about this. Please.
I entirely agree. This patch might get me into the game again. I'm really excited about Sentry Champagne being able to be buffed by Overclock because maybe now the tower will be usable. I may start using village in my strategies too, and like how it and the druid changes buff alt eco. Faster darts actually doing something? Heck yeah. I really don't think NK can make the new ranked system work, and they should just cut their losses
Comment above yours called it terrible timing so idk what to make of it at this point
I think these are good changes. Nerfing some strong towers and buffing some weak ones. I'm surprised not to see any nerfs to Etienne yet, as his early game defense + MIB + UCAV are still really strong, but at least Fadora got a slight nerf. I'm ambivalent on casual, but I'm glad for the fast track rework. The win streak thing (+ no limit on fast tracks) is something that I've wanted day 1, and I'm surprised it took this long to make the change, since the old system was so clearly flawed. As others are saying, the grindy nature of arena leagues is still annoying, and I still don't like the lack of penalty for losing, which means that people with horrible winrates but who play a lot can still promote to arenas where they're severely outmatched. For people who only play bloons off-and-on, it's quite literally better to just not play at all to avoid getting placed in a league, rather than play a little and get demoted regardless of their winrate. It just doesn't seem skill-based anymore, which is strange for a ranked system to not be.
HOW are these good changes?
What, you want me to give you a line-by-line justification for each change? They seem reasonable to me.
okay, since I am lms, I will do just that: 1. Tight leads were DECENT ECO and OP PRESSURE, and they literally just BUFFED THEIR ECO EFFICIENCY without nerfing their PRESSURE. 2. Grouped ceramics got overbuffed for no reason, idk, they just found a bloon and did a completely random change to it 3. Dart nerfed, boomer not nerfed (and even buffed), xd xd, nicely done nk 4. Glue is op? BUFF IT, give it more slowdown, dont nerf bloon solver, dont nerf anything. 5. A bunch of players learned how to ace micro properly? Make a change to it that no one asked for. 6. I do not think druid even needs any comments, we are playtesting it rn, and it seems op lol 7. Village is about the same as druid, except they did an even dumber change, xx3 village pays off in 3 rounds, while xx4 pays in 4.8 rounds, SO NO POINT in going xx4, just spam xx3 8. Buff to highwayman, not enough nerfs to fateweaver and ettiene. 9, Bomb being at least in top 3 towers this update, maybe even in top 2, recieved a nice nerf of NOTHING 10. Thanks for fixing the server bug.... OOPS, they didnt fix it! 11. Lastly, thanks NK for nerfing tight moabs, tight bfbs and thanks for removing the awful ranking system. Very cool of you (nope)
I didn't actually expect you to write this, so kudos! 1. Ok I actually didn't do the math, so surprisingly you are right, tight leads are more efficient eco now. Point taken. That *is* a very strange change. 2. Also fair enough. I was thinking that it seemed like an interesting change to promote r16 aggression, but I guess nearly tripling the eco gain, buffing price and spacing is a bit strange too. Especially since grouped cerams were already a decent rush before this update. 3. SMFC deserved the nerf imo. Dart is (was?) one of the strongest towers, period. I mean, you've seen dfm, surely. Not nerfing crossbow might've been a missed opportunity but SMFC did deserve a nerf. I'm not sure why you think boomer deserves a nerf? It's hardly meta. The kylie buff seems useless; I doubt I'll ever buy it over attack speed still. 4. fair 5. QOL change is QOL change. Good players have higher Ace skill ceiling, and bad players don't change. 6. fair, druid farm seems crazy 7. i see what you mean 8. I did mention in my comment that I thought Etienne deserved a nerf. Oh well. Fadora nerf deserved, though I too was hoping for a bigger nerf. 9. Fair. I still think many of the changes they made are good, like nerfing regrow blocker and mortar (could've used more), buffing bad heroes like cyber quincy and sentai, but I should've also mentioned there were some things I wished they *had* changed, like bomb being good at everything, yeah. Those're missed opportunities rather than "bad changes" though imo. 10. ĀÆ\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ nk moment 11. I actually like the pressure that tight moab sends do. Forces defense but are hardly undefendable. Tight bfbs are kinda mediocre still. I did also mention that I still dislike the ranking system, but the change to fast track is better than the 50-trophy 1-player-limit fast track from before, you gotta admit. Even if I too would've preferred no arena leagues at all.
Itās insane to disagree with the ace flight path option just because some people learned to micro it One of the best QOL adjustments this game has seen and will lead to more people playing with ace especially at lower levels
Its like they don't even play their own fucking game
Do you have any brain damage by any chance?
I'd hope not.
quick update: x3x druids are more efficient to spam early game than grouped eco bloons, than farms, and they defend pretty much all bloons, you also cannot rush at any point in time and it's literally a uncounterable strategy. Nicely done nk for 2nd: they messed up somewhere in the ninja attack speed, and now shinobi buffed ninjas are shooting at god knows what speed. So it is double ggs for the game
That *is* wild. Wait, do x3x druids also give money for popping player-sent bloons? Crazy if true.
they do in fact, which is why you do not eco midgame lol
I see. That's... not ok, lol. It'd be better probably if it was like bloon traps instead of r2g.
>I'm surprised not to see any nerfs to Etienne yet Really? I haven't played too much in the last month or so, but he seems rather weak the first 6ish rounds.
He's as good as any other starting hero (except Churchill obviously). Drones are really nice at cleanup, and drone swarm lets you greed upgrades too.
zomg, btd6 patch notes... :o ok i'll give more thoughts though well, the boltrix emote is there (only not using it because of tough competition lol, could maybe switch out "Too Cute!" but i dunno i like cuteness) but I only see one new banner (it's unavailable so I assume it's ISAB's) and while Tewtiy already showed off his PFP before I also don't see it listed. ceramic buffs >:3!!! yey dart a bit more balanced btd6 relglue :o i hope glue's still balanced after this. i mean, i guess $200 more on glue hose at least Beating BTD6 to the punch on the commonly-requested other orientations for Centered Path!! I hope Heli Pilot stays balanced after that, I'm definitely interested in giving it another go now. Mortar nerfs :D!!!!! yay wizard seeing through walls is more relevent ninja's interesting, i don't think i'll return to camo sticky bomb on inflec after the release of etienne but maybe another day i'll use it and i like having the option aww im gonna miss boat druid letting druid pay themself off in one ability usage like a mini heli pilot... definitely huge on druid of the jungle getting money making though, and i guess that that kind of balances out overall since they make more money regardless, even if it'll be slow enough to make that instant payback not a thing. t3 sooo cheap though, i guess still over 1k combining everything but still lol, merchant is defeated for cheapest non-farm money for sure. uhhh not big on the village change actually just kind of takes what's unique from it? i dunno tho maybe you plan on introducing a new tower that features that mechanic. also weird that the lategame centric support tower is using money making tactics that are favoured more earlygame but i guess that works as balancing. honestly surprised the engi thing wasn't already a thing, i thought overclock senchamp was already strong. now it's gonna be even more ridiculous >:3 although come to think of it ace engi farm wasn't hit... **uh oh** interesting cyber quincy changes. that projectile speed means he REALLY never misses now! the lore thickens... i only cyber quince it up on ports where he can reach both sides but even if i don't get to mix things up with the seeing through crates (could help with regens...) i at least should have a more reliable time with his increased projectile speed! def interested in the damage gimmick too. gwen nerfs :) i assume ocyn is not meant to say specifically druids lol? as for how this affects what i said earlier about inflection, i'm not trying to go that late anyway. then again this might be a copy paste error since his level 12 in-game simply says increased attack speed, even though obyn's was updated accordion. WOOO Sentai buff!!! Anime wins!!!! hope highwayman doesn't become big strong again now lol that makes sense for adora. also thanks for the deets on her level 3, even popology currently doesn't have that info. (i'm surprised they don't just datamine it...?) looking forward to an in-game resource!!! WOOO A LOOKING FORWARD PAGE!!! It's small but it's so good just to have one at this point, I hope they become a regular thing and that they become more expansive!!!
note: Druid only needs to use the money grab two times and standard ability once to pay off when in Favoured Trades range. This means the Druid only takes 7 seconds longer than before to pay themself off, since they need 22 seconds. So that synergy is still really strong. *If they move the Jungles Bounty's price down into Druid of the Jungle instead of outright increasing the price then this synergy will remain while also making Druid way more balanced, although I wonder if that'd be balanced enough tbh lol*
another note: actually they already pay themself off a little bit before you actually get jungle's bounty so it probably evens out to a strong benefit at this point
Bruh not even a drunk washed up hooboo can come up with balance ideas this bad
thnaks bro
>Ocean Obyn Level 12: Druids in range get +1 damage to all bloons (previously this was only to fortified bloons) is this meant to say all magic monkeys?
based on the in-game it's a copy-paste error and ocean obyn's level 12 is not supposed to be buffed
yeah they edited the patch notes to remove it
Man what did gwen do to deserve this, yall over nerfed a hero that wasn't op in the first place
which idiot decided to roll out an update before the season ended
it's called a mid-season update (although im surprised that it was before this league ended tbh)
it's a day before the season ends, strangely. hardly mid-season.
well the seasons are half the length now, so it's a mid-season update. a day before it, but still actually come to think of it this still affects hom, yikes
Wait, aren't HoM seasons still the same? I'm talking about the HoM season, not the weekly arena league thing.
hom seasons are once a month now instead of like 50 days
ah, gotcha
jake beat me to it
just remove leagues, please
it's not? Wizard is definitely one on the weaker side right now bro why did u edit ur comment
i thought this was a wrong reply but nah they just edited their comment and it makes you look silly lol
Lmfao what did they say?
Absolutely terrible changes. Literally trash
................trash
goofy ass changes
My jaw is dropped at how bad these village changes are.
retarded update xd - TOOOO EZZZZ
This may literally be WORSE THAN PREVIOUS UPDATE. What is actually going on, how much dumber are these changes going to get
I think NK is evolving backwards now. Theyāve consistently been making the same mistakes that caused the game to die at launch.
Tbh just make it so that at a specific amount of trophies you are guaranteed to go to the next league but you just donāt get rewards for being in the top 5 (if there are rewards for that idk)
finally something good to come in v4.X
How do I get the Isab avatar with btdb2+?
I believe everyone on arcade should get them for free as there's no where to use the codes
actually balanced wizard buffs! the gods have blessed us today!
Rip normal Quincyš Normal Quincy should be less expensive now š
No (meaningful) boomer buff is wild
boomer is already very strong
Early game and thatās it. And with the ceramic buff itās probably gonna struggle even more
good
Fair
You know what . Fuck this update and fuck this game. You are killing any interest anyone would have. Stop needing towers that literally needed no nerfs Remove this shitty league system that NOBODY likes.. it's awful and whoever suggested should be sacked. Genuinely the last few updates have been some of the worst shit I've laid my eyes on. 0/10 guys.. piss poor show.
Something is love to see is a pacifist mode. I was in ZOMG Superdome, then after a long break I came back to being in Ceramic Crucible. I'd love an option at the beginning of a season to opt out in case you are going on a vacation or something and don't want to have to climb all the way back up.
Here's some questions: why did it take so long to rework fast track? Why is the 10 ws fast track change not already implemented into the game? Waiting for 4.1 seems strange when the latest league ended just a day after you made this post. Why is the terrible grindy league system still a thing, even?
One oversight for villages - you can't place a discounted tower unless you can afford the full priced tower. For example, if i have a xx1 village i should be able to buy a supermonkey for $1620, but he would be greyed out until i have $1800 (can't select even with a hotkey). It's always been a problem but more obvious now that bottom path village is popular
Fan club I'd rather have the max number of affected monkeys reduced since it's hard to get a lot down in time for a rush, specially on mobile Ninja I don't get what you've done. 023 is unaffected, sticky bomb gets a negligible middle path buff compared to top path's -30%. Meanwhile Master bomber will dish out a sticky every 0.18 seconds??? Village is interesting, I've never found it a fun tower and I've never been too fond of it's users... On the top of my head the numbers seem off. It's really efficient Engi buff is nice. Again watch out for 520 engi! It's slept on the dps is good! Gwen nerfs are welcome. Cocktail tick rate nerf is what I wanted. I also wanted the firestorm damage buff removed but I guess a slower XP gain is fine for now Ocean Obyn tier 5 buffs is funny, nothing huge but I'll look forward to it. Adora is still bad dunno why the nerf. Overall O- to the -K patch. I'm looking forward to trying the new village. Arenas are the big elephant in the room, I hate I have to play a lot instead of well to not get demoted. 10 winstreaks should save me from the Bfb hell I've fallen into but I'm still waiting for a fix
023 is affected. flash bomb is every 3 attacks, so if the base attack speed is faster then that comes out more. flash bomb isn't its own attack, it replaces the shuriken. i don't know wazzup with mbomb
Ah right, that's what they meant. Even if mbomb has a typo and they meant 1.18, that's faster than a 105. The caltrops change doesn't make sense either. 9->8 caltrops don't come out every 9 seconds
they made master bomber attack at hypersonic speed
Have you tried it?
No I just saw Ryan Mehalic's stream vod, it was throwing like a Super Monkey lol
Ah I saw it. That's a top path master bomb tho, dunno if shinobis should be enough to make it attack like that. If middle path attacks even faster it's gonna sticky even the moabs
both paths benefit from the master bomb speed increase, when it says 0x5 it's because 105 would apply Ninja Discipline's decrease on time between attacks.
Okok thanks for clarifying then
yw
Why the fuck would you need xx3/4 monkey village.. Honestly this dev team is ran by brainless apes.
literally 0 good changes outside of dart nerfs lmao
they let shitfaced hooboo into nk
I think the fanclub nerf was far too harsh, 1000 bucks in the midgame is a lot
it was one of the most broken upgrades in the game and will still be very strong
It was pretty strong but i think dart early game shouldve gotten some attention
Nerfing tight leads š¤” Whatever mess of motor balancing besides reverting the base cost discount from long ago š¤” Not removing leagues altogether and going back to the old system š¤” Literally could fix almost all issues by reverting changes rather than these band-aid on top balancing Edit: also smfc nerf š¤” literally only has one job which is to defend r19-20 (canāt solo anything past that) and dart sucks without fedora
smfc solos any rush till 27 if you give it a delead idk why you think it wasnt strong
Idk why you think UJug is just ādeleadā
ujug does nothing to ddts. iām talking about shattering shells or other lead detection to let it hit them
So thatās like almost $20k worth of defense to defend a $2500 rush
you have to send a lot more than 2500 in leads to force much. also what i just said defend tight fmoabs, fzomgs, and fddts. if you think using a single ability that costs 2k to micro defending all of that was fine then idk man
If you think Iām going to send tight mobes or anything besides one single ddt into a smfc+shattering shells motor to force smfc micro and draining idk man
even a single ddt is a terrible send since it costs 2k to micro smfc. and no im not saying anyone would send, preventing them from sending without having to buy the upgrade means you can greed harder. and you said it does nothing against anything past 20, when you just admitted it easily defends every send but tlead (you only need shattering start of 26, it even beats tfmoabs without it)
It cost $2600 to micro smfc *before* the nerf. And thats not factoring in the $10k needed to have shattering shells up nonstop (canāt be sold). So it sounds more like motor is the problem, which has already been the case. Smfc can only handle one set of tight fmobes so why is $8000 of towers defending an $8000 rush a problem?
you can replace mortar with glike or gwen or village or foam. it isnāt mortar. also only needed on 26 and a 10k tower doesnāt impact you a lot at that point. and if you think a tower defending something for the same price as the rush is balanced you donāt know how this game works. first strike is one of the best options for a reg zomg, and it costs 3x as much as one
Whats bad about nerfing tight leads
Was one of the few only good rushes especially vs passive Strats
They didnt change the density, the rush will still be strong imo
historically, this game has gotten worse after nerfing rushes.
The ability to fast track has been practically nonexistent for the majority. Well not anymore, as a 10 winstreak will now grant you to promote instantly. Still not as fast as the previous system, but this is a HUGE improvement per se. Unfortunately, casual mode is back and I don't like it. It only served to reinforce bad habits of newer players aka bad ecoing, poor tower understanding, etc... Buffing spaced and grouped ceramics is a great change imo, though tight ceramics needs to be unlocked WAY earlier than r28 as tight MOABs exists ( well it's cheaper now I guess ) . Ok so Relentless Glue is now on par with BTD6, holy cow. If there's one thing this upgrade is good as, it's the ability to stunlock dense MOAB class bloons, and that has scary defensive potential. Lol druid might get called out for being the old Bloon Trap 2.0, as it earns money on popping bloons ( plus it's RBE independent, so a red bloon and a ceramic bloon are both earned $100 if popped by it ). Mortar's early game nerf is quite significant as it's now targeted on its base pierce, and both prices for x1x and x2x. Still cheeses bloon factory with 022 mortar until r7-8. Monkey Ace's xx2 is finally good, and might actually be more viable in maps with less than favorable coverage. Heli's Faster Darts now gives extra pierce to improve its dps crosspathing potential ( as camo detecting upgrades are far more valuable in this game compared to BTD6 ) Overclock being able to affect subtowers when being applied to its main tower is cool, and finally has that quadratic buff effect similar to Village's Call at Arms, speaking of which,Ā Bottom path village is now farm 2.0, plus a nerf to Grow Blocker's infinite pierce down to 200 is more than welcomed change ( as it invalidates tight regrows with the right placement for such a cheap price ). Gwen, Adora and Fateweaver all have now their base pierce nerfed. For Gwen, she no longer defends grouped reds and spaced blues by herself and thus an additional tower is needed if you wanted to prevent early game leaks. For Fate, her lvl 3 pierce multiplier nerf is much needed, as burst abilities tend to be more effective at dealing rushes than their sustained counterparts. Highwayman's notoriously high initial cooldown makes him lose its value to pressure opponents in money counting, so it's a fair change. I gloss the rest of balance changes, as I think NK did a satisfactory job in explaining those.
Bruh no boat buffs
It's a decent tower rn
does boat need buffs? aside from maybe more top path pierce for grouped rushes?
Yeah i think it does, top path needs more pierce, and middle path needs some serious buffs a 240 boat and a 320 glue cant even defend regrow rainbows without boost
well, top path needs more pierce maybe yes (i was thinking more for grouped rushes), but monkey pirates can eat an entire fortiBFB it's fine. also yeah a lot of monkey pirates is bombs, so regen rainbows aren't its strong suit. you're better off going for more glue or smthn. that's why you have 3 towers lol.
I mean if destroyer gets more pierce and i get a solid option for early game i aint complaining
destroyer BBrew is a thing. i ran with it towards the start of the game's lifespan when i didn't boat farm because i was bad at the game. BBrew was also way cheaper as you can imagine.
Yeah alch and boat is very good but you shouldnt have to run boat with alch to be able to use destroyer somewhat effectively
Destroyer also works with Pat :D only during ability uptime tho