You ‘can’t’ think it isn’t art. I’m not saying I like it.
However, music will ALWAYS be art no matter how you try to twist it
Art will be hated or loved. But to deny something is art can’t simply come from "I don't like it rap bad cos no george martin"
Respectfully, I disagree. I think it’s whole heartedly possible to enjoy Cardi B’s music while also recognizing it does not add anything in value artistically, lyrically, or musically.
> I think it’s whole heartedly possible to enjoy Cardi B’s music while also recognizing it does not add anything in value artistically, lyrically, or musically.
Music benefits the more options you have. You enjoy her music? Great! Cardi B just added her legacy to music. She brings happiness and enjoyment to many people.
Lyrically? Well, I sure do not understand what "Tutti frutti, oh rootie
A wop bop a loo bop a lop bom bom" but people sure love it and it is engraved in music history forever. Art is about being more than savage animals.
There’s no doubt she brings happiness to people who follow her music. I think we just disagree in the aspect of how a person bring artistic value to music. Cardi B is incredibly successful and I hope she continues to be
Art is something that creates a connection, or evokes a certain emotional response. Is Cardi B high-minded for their chosen topics? No. Is it art? Yeah.
Paul McCartney also wrote Why Don’t We Do it in the Road. Which is about fucking in the road. And yeah, it’s still art.
The term “art” doesn’t automatically imply that’s it’s deep, meaningful, valuable or anything like that. Art can be terrible, that doesn’t make it not art.
That’s like saying you don’t consider McDonald’s to be food or something because it doesn’t have good nutritional value.
In that case I dont think Picasso's painting of the 5 prostitutes is art because boo hoo, I dont like prostitutes.
Or is that different because painting is art, or is it not all art to you?
Selling is legal. Screwing is legal. Selling screwing sessions must be legal.
There is nothing wrong with being a prostitute and you shouldn't give e fuck about what other people like to do.
Well it’s a form of art and most definitely newer music is different art but so was classic oldies to heavy metal (by the way I have never wanted to hear a song by her, and never will)
*Revolver* is the Beatles at their best, imo. They released great, legendary albums before and after, but I think everything crystallized on this one. They were still a touring act and we’re at the top of their game as far as writing and with Geo. Martin’s production, this album is straight up god-tier. What’s ironic is this album didn’t produce any big #1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100.
All three songwriters raised the bar with Revolver. There's no need to single one out.
Yes, Pauls' Eleanor Rigby and Here, There and Everywhere raise the bar.
John's She Said and especially Tomorrow Never Knows are groundbreaking. There's a reason Matt Weiner wanted the latter to close out a key Mad Men episode - it showed how everything in the 1960s had changed just with one song on a record album.
Taxman and I Want to Tell You are great songs showing George had arrived as a writer.
Yellow Submarine was a showcase of what they could do collaboratively - John's initial start, Paul filling in and then Ringo making it his song.
You can try and single out one of the four, but this was the high-water mark for them both individually and as a group.
John's song's (which are typically far more collaborative than Paul's; i.e. the rest of the group really contribute strongy) are far more groundbreaking and interesting - Paul's are closer to pastiche's of the genres they copy, e.g. Got To Get You Into My Life is a good song, but there are dozens of Motown songs that are better.
>John's song's (which are typically far more collaborative than Paul's; i.e. the rest of the group really contribute strongy)
This is wrong because it's mostly Paul having to do the contributions on John's (and George's) songs, because only Paul could write and perform the bass lines. So now John's songs are somehow more collaborative.
Four masterpieces (Eleanor Rigby, For No One, Got To Get You Into My Life, Here There and Everywhere) plus a brand new British folk song in Yellow Submarine and then Good Day Sunshine, which I can take or leave. Plus he did the tape loops for Tomorrow Never Knows and the greatest of all Beatles guitar solos on Taxman. Not bad for a working class kid from Liverpool and his mates.
Worth mentioning that two other classics - Rain and Paperback Writer - were produced during the Revolver sessions, and would have been on it except for the tradition at the time not to put singles on albums.
I think Paperback Writer/Rain are the best Beatles A Side/B Side combo. I still own a 45, although I have no way to play it anymore.
And imo his contributions to Tomorrow Never Knows were just as important as John’s even though it’s considered a John song. The tape loops must have been mind blowing at the time, and still are 50+ years later
I agree. After John was on fire for Rubber Soul, Paul is on fire for Revolver.
That said, i originally had the capitol version, not realizing it wasn't the original intended product by the Beatles. I thought it was a great set of tracks, but it just didn't flow.
It needed those John songs to be the great album it was always meant to be.
I gotta day i do think here there and everywhere is highly overrated, one of the
weaker songs on the album. Still very very good, i just don’t think to the same degree that other people consider it
All of them were at the top of their games. Every one of their albums is great but there is not one clunker on this one. John’s songs are also masterpieces and George really stepped up. As Paul was exploring different styles and production/arranging ideas, John was beginning his inner journey (and making the best use his wicked sense of humor). Yellow Submarine was the perfect Ringo song. Revolver was their last album as a a tight-knit band with everybody giving their best to every song.
Music is a form of art
Music is art but I agree they are masterpieces
I don’t think Cardi B is art 💀
Was the point of your Beatles post just to shit on someone you don’t like? Bizarre.
It's strong boomer energy, with a hint of chronic lead poisoning 👌
Bad art is still art
music is a type of art Cardi b makes music, hence she produces art doesn't mean it's good, but it's still art
Cardi B is art. You just don't like it. Grow up.
Don’t think it’s art. It’s okay to say thirst trap and dry hump music isn’t art while still enjoying it
You ‘can’t’ think it isn’t art. I’m not saying I like it. However, music will ALWAYS be art no matter how you try to twist it Art will be hated or loved. But to deny something is art can’t simply come from "I don't like it rap bad cos no george martin"
Respectfully, I disagree. I think it’s whole heartedly possible to enjoy Cardi B’s music while also recognizing it does not add anything in value artistically, lyrically, or musically.
> I think it’s whole heartedly possible to enjoy Cardi B’s music while also recognizing it does not add anything in value artistically, lyrically, or musically. Music benefits the more options you have. You enjoy her music? Great! Cardi B just added her legacy to music. She brings happiness and enjoyment to many people. Lyrically? Well, I sure do not understand what "Tutti frutti, oh rootie A wop bop a loo bop a lop bom bom" but people sure love it and it is engraved in music history forever. Art is about being more than savage animals.
There’s no doubt she brings happiness to people who follow her music. I think we just disagree in the aspect of how a person bring artistic value to music. Cardi B is incredibly successful and I hope she continues to be
Art is something that creates a connection, or evokes a certain emotional response. Is Cardi B high-minded for their chosen topics? No. Is it art? Yeah. Paul McCartney also wrote Why Don’t We Do it in the Road. Which is about fucking in the road. And yeah, it’s still art.
Cardi B’s music is art, but like a painting on the wall in a Motel 6
Their point is if it's music it's art. They are saying all music is art. You agree it is music, therefore it's art.
The term “art” doesn’t automatically imply that’s it’s deep, meaningful, valuable or anything like that. Art can be terrible, that doesn’t make it not art. That’s like saying you don’t consider McDonald’s to be food or something because it doesn’t have good nutritional value.
Somebody’s old
I mean songs telling girls to be prostitutes isn’t what I think of as art
In that case I dont think Picasso's painting of the 5 prostitutes is art because boo hoo, I dont like prostitutes. Or is that different because painting is art, or is it not all art to you?
Cardi B fans don’t see a story about a dude called Maxwell committing murders art either! Don’t gate keep music - no one is right about music
Selling is legal. Screwing is legal. Selling screwing sessions must be legal. There is nothing wrong with being a prostitute and you shouldn't give e fuck about what other people like to do.
Cardi B’s music is art but it’s just trash art in my opinion
No disrespect, but what to clarify as art
You are so original and brave for not liking cardi b. I’m so grateful to have you on this underrated bands subreddit.
Well it’s a form of art and most definitely newer music is different art but so was classic oldies to heavy metal (by the way I have never wanted to hear a song by her, and never will)
*Revolver* is the Beatles at their best, imo. They released great, legendary albums before and after, but I think everything crystallized on this one. They were still a touring act and we’re at the top of their game as far as writing and with Geo. Martin’s production, this album is straight up god-tier. What’s ironic is this album didn’t produce any big #1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100.
Didn't yellow submarine become a no1 hit?
It reached #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 on 09/17/66
All three songwriters raised the bar with Revolver. There's no need to single one out. Yes, Pauls' Eleanor Rigby and Here, There and Everywhere raise the bar. John's She Said and especially Tomorrow Never Knows are groundbreaking. There's a reason Matt Weiner wanted the latter to close out a key Mad Men episode - it showed how everything in the 1960s had changed just with one song on a record album. Taxman and I Want to Tell You are great songs showing George had arrived as a writer. Yellow Submarine was a showcase of what they could do collaboratively - John's initial start, Paul filling in and then Ringo making it his song. You can try and single out one of the four, but this was the high-water mark for them both individually and as a group.
Weiner paid $250,000 to play that track... and Don just shuts it off!
Paul’s tape loops need to be mentioned when talking about groundbreaking moments. They were all great on this album
What's wrong with that? Recognizing individual achievements, you just did and left out Ringo. Nothing wrong with it, imo.
Here There Everywhere is Pauls greatest love song
John loved that one apparently
Correct and Eleanor Rigby is his best composition
She's Leaving Home takes that cake imo
She's Leaving Home is ridiculously good
Highly underrated song
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Oo edgy
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Take your own advice ya big baby
It’s just a big hug box for them.
Same honestly, not a big fan of the Paul songs besides Here There and Everywhere.
*All Revolver songs
“should be considered art” Gee what a revelation. Nobody has ever considered Beatles songs as art before this.
Three of my top Paul songs in the album: Rigby; Here, There and Everywhere, and For No One. Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Weird. To me it's John's songs on Revolver than elevate it above the other albums.
Our George gets 3 tracks of this masterpiece as well
John's song's (which are typically far more collaborative than Paul's; i.e. the rest of the group really contribute strongy) are far more groundbreaking and interesting - Paul's are closer to pastiche's of the genres they copy, e.g. Got To Get You Into My Life is a good song, but there are dozens of Motown songs that are better.
>John's song's (which are typically far more collaborative than Paul's; i.e. the rest of the group really contribute strongy) This is wrong because it's mostly Paul having to do the contributions on John's (and George's) songs, because only Paul could write and perform the bass lines. So now John's songs are somehow more collaborative.
I love Johns songs more but today I’m kinda in a McCartney Revolver mood
Yeah don't get me wrong, the whole thing is spectacular. Eleanor Rigby is truly groundbreaking.
Eleanor Rigby and Tomorrow Never Knows on the same album is crazy. Brilliant on all fronts.
They are Beatles songs.
Four masterpieces (Eleanor Rigby, For No One, Got To Get You Into My Life, Here There and Everywhere) plus a brand new British folk song in Yellow Submarine and then Good Day Sunshine, which I can take or leave. Plus he did the tape loops for Tomorrow Never Knows and the greatest of all Beatles guitar solos on Taxman. Not bad for a working class kid from Liverpool and his mates.
Worth mentioning that two other classics - Rain and Paperback Writer - were produced during the Revolver sessions, and would have been on it except for the tradition at the time not to put singles on albums. I think Paperback Writer/Rain are the best Beatles A Side/B Side combo. I still own a 45, although I have no way to play it anymore.
They have been for awhile.
And imo his contributions to Tomorrow Never Knows were just as important as John’s even though it’s considered a John song. The tape loops must have been mind blowing at the time, and still are 50+ years later
Revolver was sure the icing on the cake for me when I first heard it a few months back. Absolutely magnificent
I agree. After John was on fire for Rubber Soul, Paul is on fire for Revolver. That said, i originally had the capitol version, not realizing it wasn't the original intended product by the Beatles. I thought it was a great set of tracks, but it just didn't flow. It needed those John songs to be the great album it was always meant to be.
Good Day Sunshine is probably my least favorite Beatles song.
This post is so mid lol all music is art bro
Its Pauls best album as a Beatle. He is the MVP of Revolver.
I’m in a very Revolver Paul kind of mood today
I don’t like you
Revolver is definitely where Paul overtook John (all due respect to John’s awesome songs on this album as well).
I have to admit, it's getting better a little better, all the time *can't get no worse*
Yeah, whole album is considered one of the best ever. Many consider John and George’s songs to be masterpieces too.
Eh, he's got some of the bottom tier tracks on the album that I wouldnt say are masterpieces. And no duh they are art. Because music is an artform.
I gotta day i do think here there and everywhere is highly overrated, one of the weaker songs on the album. Still very very good, i just don’t think to the same degree that other people consider it
Have you heard the new remix of Here, There, and Everywhere? I never really thought much of the song until I did. The background vocals are gorgeous.
I have, its just not a song that speaks to me, the lyrics especially im not a fan of. It just about makes it to my tenth favourite on the album
Honestly, Tomorrow Never Knows is so freaking dated. I think it's tuneless and flat.
Eleanor Rigby is Paul’s greatest work ever in my book, but all 4 Beatles shine on revolver in their own ways!!
They are considered art and masterpieces but point well taken
You're not wrong.
I concur.
I also remember when I was 13
More and more I like Revolver more than Sgt Peppers
All of them were at the top of their games. Every one of their albums is great but there is not one clunker on this one. John’s songs are also masterpieces and George really stepped up. As Paul was exploring different styles and production/arranging ideas, John was beginning his inner journey (and making the best use his wicked sense of humor). Yellow Submarine was the perfect Ringo song. Revolver was their last album as a a tight-knit band with everybody giving their best to every song.
Who said they weren't?
For No One is my favorite Paul song ever. Eleanor Rigby, Here, There, And Everywhere, and Got To Get You Into My Life are also amazing.