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cyrustwo

Come on Christmas! - Ringo


jzr171

At least someone around here has some class.


cleannc1

Dear Santa and I Wanna Be Santa Claus are even better.


Press-Start-14

Not on spotify for me unfortunately


Born_Pop_3644

Aaaaat the Chriiiistmas Dance…!


Friendly_Ad_218

Ringo, who did an entire Christmas album: https://preview.redd.it/qr0qpnb9aa8c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68117bf868f128cb3586ecb68192d4e29a68b448


lanwopc

Christmas Time (Is Here Again.) 😎


thedangerman007

O U T spells out...


lanwopc

Every year I patiently wait for the Anthology singles to make it to streaming so we finally get it and every year the best the have to offer is a lavish box set of some groundbreaking album. Bah, humbug.


Sensitive-Recover515

I think they should have polished that off and given it a proper recording. It’s incredibly catchy. Holy cow, even the Beatles throwaways are catchy.


Born_Pop_3644

When I hear the full version on YouTube it goes on so long repeating the same bit with variations it’s like the proto-version of the Hey Jude na-na fade-out bit.. like Paul noted and stored the idea for a bit later


dcpanthersfan

Came here to say this. Great song!


pruppert

Yessssssss!!!!!!


loaferbro

I feel like people keep arguing 2 different things here. War is Over is a better song. Wonderful Christmastime is a better *Christmas* song.


Open_Maximum_2631

This right here


redflowers310

FINALLY


Sowf_Paw

Wonderful Christmastime makes me want to drill a hole directly through my eardrum.


bons_burgers_252

I was struggling with a way to put my thoughts. You did it perfectly.


kowboytrav

The correct answer is Ding Dong, Ding Dong


Christy-Brown

https://i.redd.it/z3ckj4ac7a8c1.gif Couldn't be any other way.


J0YC0N

What is this gif


Born_Pop_3644

and is there really a ding dong on show in it!


Rhediix

The correct answer is always *Ding Dong, Ding Dong* 🙂


Hey_Laaady

More of a New Year's song to me.


babysinblackandImblu

Ring out the old ring in the new.


RobbieArnott

It’s certainly less annoying than Wonderful Christmastime


DavidKirk2000

I like Paul’s song more than most. War Is Over is the better song by a pretty wide margin.


jojenpaste

Then again the melody of John's song is basically a cover (or whatever you call it when you take an existing melody and make a new song out of it).


thisispants

Calling it a cover is being very generous.... He completely stole it. I've never heard Stewball until this morning and I'm shocked.


ballakafla

Meh there's only 12 notes in all of music. Every single melody has been done in the past many times over. No songwriter can reinvent the wheel. Some are just more upfront about this than others. Bob Dylan made a name for himself reimagining old traditional songs and he's considered by many to be the greatest songwriter who's ever lived.


dynamic_caste

> Meh there's only 12 notes in all of music. A major 9th sounds different than a major 2nd though. That only applies to monophonic melodies and neglects microtonal music.


ballakafla

Ok sure but you know what I'm getting at. To use a Beatles song for example you can hear the melody of the *All My Loving* verse about a minute into Kathy's Waltz by the Dave Brubeck Quartet. I'm sure they didn't consciously "steal" this. It's just virtually impossible to come up with a musical melody that has never once been done before in the history of music.


Slut4Tea

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but apart from lofi, I’ve never heard anyone play microtonal music and been like “yeah this is enjoyable.”


LeftGhostCrow

King Gizzard would like a word


Open-Sea8388

Yes. And he had the nerve to mock George for plagerising My Sweet Lord


Born_Pop_3644

He mocked him for not being clever enough to get away with it. John used a song (Stewball) that he could update/steal and get away with it! John even plagiarised himself - Instant Karma is just a re-write of All You Need is Love, which itself steals bits from Chanson d’amour and the French national anthem and She Loves You and and and they got away with it


Hellashakabra

IIRC it's a public domain melody that's been used for nearly 100 years now


userunknowned

What song is the melody from?


thomasedfreeman

Stewball - Peter Paul and Mary


quadradicformula

It’s actually from a public domain folk song. John had every right to utilize the melody


mandiblesofdoom

the folk process in action


DavidKirk2000

And it’s still a better song than Wonderful Christmastime anyways.


jojenpaste

True, so is the original.


MajorBillyJoelFan

exactlt


Wordy_Rappinghood

I think War is Over is one of John's worst songs ever. Annoyingly repetitive melody and very trite lyrics that seem like they were written in a couple of minutes. Plus it is overproduced.


LADYBIRD_HILL

That's exactly how I'd describe wonderful Christmas time! I like War is over wayyyyy more


Wordy_Rappinghood

Point taken. They have similar flaws. I guess I dislike War Is Over a little more because it takes itself way too seriously for such a trashy song.


Background_Peanut241

I love Wonderful Christmastime :(


Ed372

It's a whole vibe, don't worry about the "popular consensus". If a song speaks to you, then you enjoy it :)


Jahidulislame

Too bad it sucks


[deleted]

War is over.


ZacharyLewis97

If you want it


stillinthesimulation

I don’t know how this is even a question. Maybe I’ll get downvoted to hell for this but Wonderful Christmas Time is one of the most annoying Christmas songs ever written. It’s like Paul was playing a prank on us.


anitas8744

Amen. I have to turn it off when it comes on.


252man

What's scary is that *cover versions of Wonderful Christmastime exist.*


Moomoomoo1

“maybe I’ll get downvoted for this but…” /goes on to express an extremely popular opinion


Jombafomb

Because some people, like myself, love John Lennon but cringe at his preachy hypocrisy.


ImBored1818

There have definitly been songs that are hypocitical on his part, but I don't get how War Is Over is one of them. I feel like the only people it'd be hypocritical from are the ones who initiate war, but other than that, lyrics wise it's a pretty straight foward "happy holidays and lets hope for a more peaceful year" song. It's not like with, say, Imagine, where if you wanna truly be part of the ideology its talking about you have to essentialy be a non nationalist, non religous socialist that helps others.


Jombafomb

Maybe I'm mistaken because John never really addressed his intent with the song (other than to say he realized he needed to put his political views out there with a little bit of 'honey' like on Imagine), but based on how he talked in interviews and how he wrote other songs the song comes off as "Gee hope you're enjoying your Christmas, meanwhile people all over the world are dying and suffering and starving." Personally I hate Christmas songs that are written by rich people in their mansions or penthouses designed to make people barely scraping by feel guilty.


[deleted]

Wow, that's a really weird take on it. It's never made me feel guilty and I've never heard it as anything other than a heartfelt plea for humanity


FreshPayne

War is over (if you want it) was a big anti war campaign by yoko and him at the time. Personally I think the idea is more hopeful than depressing and why shouldn't John say what he thinks just because he gained success?


CrittyJJones

How is being anti war hypocritical?


Jombafomb

Most of Lennon’s preachiness isn’t about pacifism it’s about helping other people. Something he did very little of.


falling_sideways

Exactly. It's an awful song not because it's technically bad but because it's cringey and preachy. Wonderful Christmastime is just a nice nostalgic Christmas song. Writing a Christmas song is right in McCartneys wheelhouse.


Jombafomb

Overall Happy Christmas is a much better song if it weren’t for the preachiness. John was just so single minded in overcompensating for his personal shortcomings by embracing his messiah complex


AAL2017

By far


jzr171

Have you forgotten the entire Christmas album from Ringo?


IanGecko

Dear Santa is so good that The Fab Four tribute band did a cover of it in the style of Oh Darling


-nogoodboyo-

Pipes. Of. Peace.


[deleted]

Not a christmas song


PolsBrokenAGlass

Watch the music video


[deleted]

I get it. But the promotional video isn't the song.


PanningForSalt

More of one than Stay Another Day.


jeddzus

I don’t get the hate for Wonderful Christmastime, honestly I love it. But the answer to your question is unequivocally WAR IS OVER


frugalwater

I heard a guy sing Wonderful Christmastime with nothing but a guitar and it was the best version of that song I’d ever heard. Anyone singing Happy Christmas though sounds great. It’s the superior song.


keykrazy

Wonderful Christmastime for me. I've even grown to appreciate how the delay on the synth-stabs is not set quite right, so that those delayed hits as slightly out of time. ​ That said, both songs were played on a radio station in my area a week or two ago and I found it quite nice to hear both tunes back-to-back like that. They're both great songs in my opinion, i just far prefer the carefree joyousness of WC.


DigThatRocknRoll

They both scratch different itches. I like to play them back to back so I get both John and Paul during christmas time.


Radagastronomy

This is the right answer.


RicRic60

Christmas time (is here again) Link: https://youtu.be/aCEGg4Y6qWw?si=LyXEiPFWOZC1apkG


First_Commission_385

God, I do love this song. I have the unedited version on my bootleg Beatles Christmas Album (which I highly recommend), and I have the edited version on the B-side to Free As A Bird. Sure the lines are repeated through the whole song, but it's dangerously fun.


PlasmaEarth

War Is Over any day of the week.


PlentyDrawer

For me, War is Over.


jotyma5

Happy Xmas After a few minutes, I just want wonderful Christmastime to end


[deleted]

I like them both equally for what they were intended to be. I get what they were trying to do with each song and they both succeeded.


salve__regina

If I want to clap on 1&3, Wonderful Christmastime. If I want to clap on 2&4, Happy Xmas.


Friendly_Ad_218

Clapping on 1 & 3 is the greatest sin anyone could ever commit


colin_creevey

Happy Xmas doesn’t have a 4


salve__regina

Isn’t it actually in 12/8? I was simplifying though for the clapping joke


Hey_Laaady

War Is Over


themillboy

It’s *Happy Xmas (War Is Over)* but I love both.


PhilMcCraken2001

I think war is over is a better song but wonderful Christmastime is a better Christmas song


laxtro

…does Mull of Kintyre count?


ECW14

War is Over isn’t even original. The melody is taken from a traditional song and the opening line’s rhythm is taken from another Wonderful Christmastime on the other hand is entirely original and experimental while truly embodying the Christmas spirit. It is a way better Christmas song


babysinblackandImblu

War Is Over.


MillerJC

War Is Over. By a mile.


uroboric_forms7

Little Saint Nick


Electr_O_Purist

Yellow Submarine (played on Christmas Day)


Appropriate_Map82

LOL!


GoBlue2007

As with most of these questions I love Paul’s song but slightly prefer John’s.


BannerHulk

I still don't understand what makes Wonderful Christmastime *so awful.* It isn't a banger but it's perfectly fine.


elbapo

War is over is by far the better song and also the better Christmas song. It's simply a song that existed forever, but still had to be written. Lennons genius.


mandiblesofdoom

War Is Over aka Stewball Was a Racehorse


MajorBillyJoelFan

War is Over but i do really like Wonderful Christmastime


btmacie

It seems like another Lennon/McCartney call and response. While John is using Christmas to carry the weight of world peace on his shoulders, Paul was just in the corner like “I dunno man, I’m just havin a good time.” Wonderful Christmastime used to be my preferred one (it sounds cozy and was easier to digest). It took longer for War is Over to grow on me but I dig it now; I’d rather it be War is Over as opposed to like, Do They Know it’s Christmas. I agree with those that say they both said what they were intended to, so I’d say my appreciation for them is pretty equal these days.


jwbrower1

Wonderful Christmastime!


shoegaze1992

wonderful christmastime


Zornorph

Wonderful Christmastime


J3dr90

War is Over is simply a better song


akurjata

My honest favourite for this time of year is "Give Me Love (Give Me Peace On Earth)". Not sure why it hasn't been adopted as Christmas song, it fits perfectly into the vibes


[deleted]

Probably because there's absolutely nothing christmas about it?


akurjata

"Peace On Earth" is pretty strongly associated with Christmas


[deleted]

Wonderful Christmastime


emma7734

I get warm fuzzies whenever I hear John starting the song with “So this is Christmas…” and the droning guitar. It’s fantastic. I love it. Then Yoko comes on, and I want to remix it without her. Whenever I hear the opening notes of Paul’s song, I will fight anyone in my way and run over old ladies to change the station or turn down the volume.


applejam101

Same with me, but I got to say Yoko isn’t that bad on this song.


Anxious_Arachnid_431

War is Over, definitely. I love Paul, but WC is cringey.


StoneageMouse

Wonderful Christmastime


Rev_Biscuit

Didnt we do this the other day? Pipes of Peace


Madcap_95

I love them both equally.


jimlaregina

Ringo's album of Christmas music, *I Wanna Be Santa Claus*, offers a number of excellent songs.


sooybeans

I Wanna Be Santa Claus!


ColonisetheMoon

Wonderful Christmastime is the best song by far.


Xeno_Lambrose555

War is Over


Fine-Designer5474

Happy Xmas War is Over


W00DYLAND

War is Over


Clatato

_Happy Xmas (War is Over)_ holds a special place in my heart from my childhood and more recently. As does listening to John Lennon more generally at my grandparents’ home during family gatherings. And sadly, _War is Over_ feels all too relevant most years - when a war has been heavily covered in the news.


252man

That is part of a HUGE discussion about what is a Christmas song. This is probably not the place for that. I'm just glad I don't have to hear it again until next November.


bibliophile222

War Is Over by a mile. It's easily my favorite modern Christmas song. Wonderful Christmastime is cute, but kind of forgettable.


sourmilkcmoon

I'd say that's the one thing it isn't! Some people may not like it, but it is catchy as hell. There's a reason why it has endured


idreamofpikas

It's not really an argument. War is Over is overwhelmingly seen as the better Xmas song.


DigThatRocknRoll

That’s a highly subjective statement that only reflects your environment, so it is an argument.


idreamofpikas

This is one of the most repeated questions on this subreddit. The response is going to be the same as the many other times the question has been asked.


DigThatRocknRoll

Sure but it’s entirely subjective regardless of the outcome. There is no correct answer. if you’re just referring to this subreddit as it being no argument here, then that may be a fair statement as opposed to universally.


idreamofpikas

> Sure but it’s entirely subjective regardless of the outcome. There is no correct answer. if you’re just referring to this subreddit as it being no argument here, then that may be a fair statement as opposed to universally. Well yeah. That is why my first post says **"War is Over is overwhelmingly seen as the better Xmas song"** Not sure why you disagree wit that.


JoeDawson8

He’s a pendant’s pendant


DigThatRocknRoll

Not really - just don’t think it is fair to claim one is overwhelmingly favored before anyone has spoken. I quite enjoy Wonderful Christmastime and too many people assume that other’s equally hate it as much as they do


JoeDawson8

I enjoy both for entirely different reasons. Barenaked Ladies one of my favorites did a instrumental cover of Wonderful Christmas time


geetar_man

It’s been asked before and the same answer will apply, so he’s not speaking before people have spoken. They already have. And now that there are more answers, he still hasn’t said anything untrue.


thedangerman007

Let's assume for a moment that your argument is true. Why then have I heard Wonderful Christmas time exponentially more times when I'm out shopping? I can count on one hand, heck, on one finger the number of times I've heard Happy Xmas/War is Over while out & about during the past 20+ holiday seasons. If War is Over was the objectively better Christmas song, shouldn't it have risen to the top and appear more often commercially than Wonderful Christmas time?


idreamofpikas

> Why then have I heard Wonderful Christmas time exponentially more times when I'm out shopping? This year there is a pretty big reason. It has War in the title and has been used less this Winter than in previous ones due to Gaza and Ukraine. The UK charts is based on just sales and streams, and they are pretty neck and neck in the charts with John at 22 and Paul at 25 but in the US where the charts are built on streaming, sales and radio play John's been played less meaning Paul is at 35 and John is outside of the top 100. Lennon's song has over 60 million more streams on Spotify but that is not always going to translate to shopping malls and bars were one is a festive song about christmas and the other has war in the title which puts a dampener on the party. Bars and shops want you to spend they don't want you to think of suffering and contemplating bigger questions.


nyli7163

I would never look to shopping mall playlists as a barometer of what’s good.


JeremyFarkas

Wonderful Christmastime is an understated masterpiece.


tophmcmasterson

Happy Xmas is probably technically the better song, but Wonderful Christmastime is more upbeat and Christmasy sounding to me so I tend to listen to it more around the holidays.


Oil-of-Vitriol

Wonderful Christmastime is one of the most annoying songs ever created.


Shmegdar

I like both a lot, but War is Over


Maelmin

Paul: having fun with uncle jim on Christmas!!! John: merry Christmas you fuckin c**t


cecilycelentano

There is an obvious correct answer to this question but I will say that Wonderful Christmastime is underrated, or maybe just overhated? I dunno, but people shittalk that song endlessly and I still really love it. Just dumb McCartney pop, it's charming, and that McCartney II-era synth stuff sounds great.


New_Illustrator2043

I think of War is Over as an anti-war song cleverly disguised as a Xmas song. I prefer it over Paul’s.


OneTrueBrody

War is Over, I don’t hate Wonderful Christmas time but War is Over is a masterpiece


voujon85

not even close... War is over


Responsible_6446

Happy Xmas is the better song.


Budget-Sheepherder77

Wonderful christmastime


basement_egg

wonderful christmas time > war is over


MessageBoard

As a Christmas song wonderful Christmas time. War is over really isn't about Christmas despite being the better song.


bibliophile222

Several other Christmas songs also have a peace on Earth bit.


RoastBeefDisease

Paul


DeadMoney313

I absolutely hate the simple synth line of Wonderful Christmastime, so Johns song wins hands down. I believe Yoko is even singing during the Chorus and the song is still somehow amazing.


ricks_flare

Wonderful Christmastime is like fingernails on a chalkboard


sklatch

Even though it’s a rip-off of Stewball by Peter Paul and Mary, War is Over is the better song.


Agreeable_Slice_3667

Yes.


salmonella42069

You're seriously asking that? One is the best Christmas song ever and the other is the worst!


jck747

Seriously?


Bennie16egg

War is Over is a bunch of trite, cliched lyrics pretending to be deep and meaningful. Wonderful Christmas Time is a bunch of trite, cliched lyrics that are just meant to be fun.


Open-Sea8388

Neither is a Beatles song. Solo efforts from John and Paul. Best is War Is Over. Wonderful Christmastime is annoying, innate s**t


Mojo-Filter-230

The Beatles AI version of Wonderful Christmastime is nice.


J0YC0N

I like both but happy Xmas is the only solo John Lennon song I can stomach, and I really like it. It’s a perfect Christmas song


LoganWasAlreadyTaken

I mean Happy Xmas (War is Over) is literally a perfect song and in my opinion the greatest Christmas song *sooo.*


Affectionate_Bite813

Just "NO" on the McCartney offering!


lame_impala69

Neither are Beatle songs


daskapitalyo

We did this one day before yesterday


steveh2021

Both fucking terrible.


urmomisfun

This isn't a debate by a long shot. Christmas time is a garbage song and one of the best examples of how Paul completely lost the plot for a few decades there.


MiltonRobert

Oh please. No contest. Christmastime is one of the worst songs ever.


Stunning-Peanut211

Honestly, both are meh


InternationalFig400

Fucking HATE WC with a passion. The. Worst. Xmas. Song. EVER! What was the Letterman joke about about Mark Chapman saying "I shot the wrong Beatle" after hearing Mc C's solo stuff?


thecustardgannet

Ringo's Chompy Carrot


BrisketWhisperer

Rocky Raccoon


pligplog420

I'm going to lie and pretend like my sweet lord is about the nativity


JimmyTheJimJimson

Fuck sakes. We should have more posts about this!


knockatize

It’s Billy Preston singing O Holy Night with Aretha.


Tbplayer59

Wonderful Christmastime! It's so fun.


[deleted]

Happy Xmas (War Is Over) is a direct copy of the melody of an old traditional folk song called Stewball - listen to the Peter, Paul and Mary version from 1963. It's one of my favourite Christmas songs, but slightly tarnished that it wasn't John's original melody.


applejam101

Happy Xmas ( War is Over) by a mile.


Life_Title_8652

I don't really like Christmas songs after all so War is Over.


applejam101

The Monkees (Micky) recorded a version of Wonderful Christmastime. It’s better than Paul’s, but it still goes nowhere. The Alarm did a great version of Happy Christmas many moons ago.


First_Commission_385

I could, and I do, listen to both of these songs at random times through the year (even if it's March). I remember loving War is Over before I even knew it was John and before I even really knew who the Beatles were. It was played on the radio several times every December and I would personally only listen to Christmas radio for that one song. However, I have come to realize that Wonderful Christmastime has in recent years become my favorite Christmas song. So as a better Christmas song it is Wonderful Christmastime, as a better song it is War Is Over. Though I love both songs, and I personally LOVE the synths on Wonderful Christmastime. (I also love Christmas Time is Here Again, Ding Dong Ding Dong, etc)


ivanthetribble

i think it's 'everywhere it's christmas'( at the end of every year)


DELCO-PHILLY-BOY

Little Saint Nick


crippledjuicebox

Christmastime (Is Here Again)


nyli7163

The only correct answer is “I feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my toes, Christmas is all around us…”


Gramswagon77

What about Pipes of peace🫣


Confused_Hamburger

Very clearly War Is Over. Wonderful Christmastime is repetitive and an earsore.


aslrules

War is Over is wonderful. A Wonderful Christmas Time is excruciating.


NoPensForSheila

Happy Christmas (War is Over) is definitely my favorite but I was quite surprised when I got to Reddit and found out how much people hate Wonderful Christmastime. As Christmas songs go it's not that bad.


deAlex0603

War is over and it's not even close


[deleted]

Wonderful Christmas time is Paul not the Beatles.


Legitimate-Pop-5823

War


Stardustchaser

That slightly off-tempo synth with the chorus of Wonderful Christmastime is iconic I didn’t say good, just iconic


OutrageousStrength91

Everywhere It's Christmas