Of all the examples in the episode, it was this one that made me the most angry đ
I think at least with things like fingerprints, bite marks, and hair, there is an element of uniqueness. But like Sophie said when you finally listen, that shirt from the Gap is the same damn shirt from the Gap!
Moreover, there is only a finite number of ways to make clothing, especially when weâre talking about 20th century ready to wear clothing. Menâs dress shirts are literally the same no matter where you get them. A blue chambray shirt is just a blue chambray shirt. Itâs so much like this that clothing is one of the few things that you cannot copyright!
I donât drape, but I do industrial sewing. I was in the middle of pressing and pinning a blanket, and immediately thought âwhat the actual fuck?â
>One of the things I need to know is how different fabrics act so I can manipulate them to create the garment.
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>Each type of fabric acts in a predictable way. So I know how cotton twill is going to fold vs how silk charmeuse will. That is to say, the âwrinklesâ has more to do with the fabric itself rather than the person who is wearing it.
Sounds like you'd make a good forensic wrinkle analyst.
I could totally relate to Sophie's rage. I think anyone who has ever tried on jeans wants to burn shit down when it's all "your size" and nothing fits.
I feel reminded of the cops in the case of a German neo-nazi network that murdered people - among many other blunders (and "whoopsie definitely blunders"), they consulted a fortune teller to tell them something about the murderers.
They will fall for fucking everything, doubly so if it aligns with their incentives and preconceptions.
Fashion tech here - you are 100% correct. Also most goddamn humans tend to bend in the same way. And if weâre talking about mass market you gotta know there are only so many lines making the same garment so issues with stitch mess ups might not be so uncommon.
Also kudos to you for draping - I was always terrible at that.
lol as a home sewist when I heard fiber analysis and wrinkle analysis I stopped my sewing so I could pay full attention to the bullshit Robert was going to talk about.
I sew with commercial patterns(small designers, not the big 3 cause fuck the big 3 sorry if you design for the big 3) as I havenât learned how to drape yet.
See I have been debating adding a post or comment all week. I in fact do work in the forensic science field. I started off in latent prints, the first topic of the series, but found my skills were better with computer forensics.
I think Robert, as much as we love him, did miss some big things when it came to these episodes. I donât think the last few were âvalidâ sciences. But fingerprinting didnât deserve to be done that way. A lot of what Robert was using for defenses for breaking apart latent prints was old arguments. The field has made drastic changes and there are countless organizations out there now who have made it their job to better the field.
Ever since the 2009 National Academy of Sciences âState of Forensic Scienceâ or the NAS report, all the disciplines have been making strong efforts to address and tighten up. There are the Scientific Working Groups (SWG) for each field (SWGFAST for friction ridge skin) not to mention the Organization of Scientific Area Committee (OSAC). These groups along with the American Academy of Forensic Science and the International Association of Identification all meet together and are setting the standards and terminology used in this field. They call for research, publish peer reviewed articles, give out funding for research to universities along with setting up best practices.
I didnât hear Robert bring up any of these sources and while I havenât looked at the source notes for the episodes yet, I would think that had he looked at any of these publishings he would have made different conclusions.
He did make a strong statement at the end though, which is people are not infallible. Mistakes do happen. The real bastards are the ones who try to hide the mistakes and give the rest of the people working in the field a bad name.
Just think about all the grift doctors we have heard about on this show. Just because one doctor has done something bad doesnât mean that we say the whole field of medicine is a bastard.
I think these episodes would have been better if he had talked about more specific examples, like the Massachusetts State police chemist who was fired for dry labbing. There was a serologist from West Virginia who never tested evidence and made up results or tested evidence and made the results he wanted who after getting caught moved to Texas and continued to do it. Those are just two examples of real bastards of forensic science in my personal nonprofessional opinion.
I recall my ex who spent 2 years in a Forensic Science masters program whoâs said that the only thing many of these things can do is prove that someone was there, not that they are guilty.
That is very true in most instances possibly for exception of when prints are found in blood. It establishes someone at a scene which can possibly break someoneâs alibi. Even with digital which is my forte, I canât place someone behind a keyboard except for in rare instances when someone takes a video of themselves committing a potential crime.
Without having listened to the episode, this sounds just as absurd as all the âbody language expertsâ we get on the news after any big event.
Forensic Wrinkle Expert had me rolling. SMH
Wtf, didn't listen to the episode yet but even as a hobby sewist this sound so dumb I guess it makes sense the police would fall for this.
Of all the examples in the episode, it was this one that made me the most angry đ I think at least with things like fingerprints, bite marks, and hair, there is an element of uniqueness. But like Sophie said when you finally listen, that shirt from the Gap is the same damn shirt from the Gap! Moreover, there is only a finite number of ways to make clothing, especially when weâre talking about 20th century ready to wear clothing. Menâs dress shirts are literally the same no matter where you get them. A blue chambray shirt is just a blue chambray shirt. Itâs so much like this that clothing is one of the few things that you cannot copyright!
I donât drape, but I do industrial sewing. I was in the middle of pressing and pinning a blanket, and immediately thought âwhat the actual fuck?â
I actually got angry! It was such clear bullshit! How anyone could fall for this is crazy talk!
Would you say that you were as angry as Sophie was?
Absolutely!
Well fabric is like fashion and that's not something nohomo manly law enforcement need concern themselves with.
>One of the things I need to know is how different fabrics act so I can manipulate them to create the garment. > >... > >Each type of fabric acts in a predictable way. So I know how cotton twill is going to fold vs how silk charmeuse will. That is to say, the âwrinklesâ has more to do with the fabric itself rather than the person who is wearing it. Sounds like you'd make a good forensic wrinkle analyst.
Touché
Get that đ°
I loved how upset Sophie got about this. More indignation from Sophie!
I could totally relate to Sophie's rage. I think anyone who has ever tried on jeans wants to burn shit down when it's all "your size" and nothing fits.
Only thing better than indignation from Sophie is when Anderson joins in.
This episode contains an outstanding performance by Sophie. Would love to have more this in the future.
I feel reminded of the cops in the case of a German neo-nazi network that murdered people - among many other blunders (and "whoopsie definitely blunders"), they consulted a fortune teller to tell them something about the murderers. They will fall for fucking everything, doubly so if it aligns with their incentives and preconceptions.
Time to bust out my Milton Bradley ouija board and make that cheddar.
Fashion tech here - you are 100% correct. Also most goddamn humans tend to bend in the same way. And if weâre talking about mass market you gotta know there are only so many lines making the same garment so issues with stitch mess ups might not be so uncommon. Also kudos to you for draping - I was always terrible at that.
Draping is my favorite! Itâs like figuring out a puzzle!
lol as a home sewist when I heard fiber analysis and wrinkle analysis I stopped my sewing so I could pay full attention to the bullshit Robert was going to talk about. I sew with commercial patterns(small designers, not the big 3 cause fuck the big 3 sorry if you design for the big 3) as I havenât learned how to drape yet.
See I have been debating adding a post or comment all week. I in fact do work in the forensic science field. I started off in latent prints, the first topic of the series, but found my skills were better with computer forensics. I think Robert, as much as we love him, did miss some big things when it came to these episodes. I donât think the last few were âvalidâ sciences. But fingerprinting didnât deserve to be done that way. A lot of what Robert was using for defenses for breaking apart latent prints was old arguments. The field has made drastic changes and there are countless organizations out there now who have made it their job to better the field. Ever since the 2009 National Academy of Sciences âState of Forensic Scienceâ or the NAS report, all the disciplines have been making strong efforts to address and tighten up. There are the Scientific Working Groups (SWG) for each field (SWGFAST for friction ridge skin) not to mention the Organization of Scientific Area Committee (OSAC). These groups along with the American Academy of Forensic Science and the International Association of Identification all meet together and are setting the standards and terminology used in this field. They call for research, publish peer reviewed articles, give out funding for research to universities along with setting up best practices. I didnât hear Robert bring up any of these sources and while I havenât looked at the source notes for the episodes yet, I would think that had he looked at any of these publishings he would have made different conclusions. He did make a strong statement at the end though, which is people are not infallible. Mistakes do happen. The real bastards are the ones who try to hide the mistakes and give the rest of the people working in the field a bad name. Just think about all the grift doctors we have heard about on this show. Just because one doctor has done something bad doesnât mean that we say the whole field of medicine is a bastard. I think these episodes would have been better if he had talked about more specific examples, like the Massachusetts State police chemist who was fired for dry labbing. There was a serologist from West Virginia who never tested evidence and made up results or tested evidence and made the results he wanted who after getting caught moved to Texas and continued to do it. Those are just two examples of real bastards of forensic science in my personal nonprofessional opinion.
I recall my ex who spent 2 years in a Forensic Science masters program whoâs said that the only thing many of these things can do is prove that someone was there, not that they are guilty.
That is very true in most instances possibly for exception of when prints are found in blood. It establishes someone at a scene which can possibly break someoneâs alibi. Even with digital which is my forte, I canât place someone behind a keyboard except for in rare instances when someone takes a video of themselves committing a potential crime.
Without having listened to the episode, this sounds just as absurd as all the âbody language expertsâ we get on the news after any big event. Forensic Wrinkle Expert had me rolling. SMH