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jessewalt123

She's definitely got it figured out to some extent but the cops already have more than enough to put Saul away should he resurface, so I don't think it's consequential. But I'm sure she hates Jimmy as much as anyone could. The one who is figuring things out currently that Gene should be aware of is Marion. She knows he's up to something and I'm not going to be surprised when she unravels enough to bring consequences to Gene.


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I think the show ends with Saul telling the truth based on cast interviews about the direction of the ending


phuck-you-reddit

I've tried to avoid PR and anything that might spoil the ending but I've still seen stuff about the last few episodes being kinda experimental and unconventional. And I think Vince Gilligan said the show ends in a kind of quiet way. Part of me suspects Jimmy fesses up and ends up in an orange jump suit. Another show might kill him off, perhaps even in a random way like getting hit by a random drunk driver or something, but I don't see that being the case here. Another part of me suspect he and Kim will reunite and "live happily ever after" in a BB/BCS kinda way. We'll see in two weeks!


Kart_Kombajn

The experimental part will be a dance number to the tune of the Clash’s i fought the law


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spicygrandma27

hahaha I keep having a weird day dream about every dead character in the show's universe doing the "Dead Man's Conga" around Gene while he goes insane


ThrowawayTwatVictim

I couldn't ever be a showrunner as stuff like this would be too tempting.


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Ever watch twin peaks?


cd2220

As corny as it'd be part of me so badly wants to see Saul defend himself in court for all his crimes. Honestly a lot of shows would be fun to watch end like that. I've always thought it'd be fun for It's Always Sunny to do that to but I guess Seinfeld already did it.


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It’s gonna be animated slippin jimmy style, that’s what they meant by unconventional


betterthanguybelow

Bravo Vince! My wife was getting sick of the black and white episodes. She’ll rue the day she said that!


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>animated slippin jimmy I will kill myself. Mark my words, Gould & Co!


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Gene is going to be put in hand cuffs and on his way to jail but he wakes up from his slumber in Chuck's house while on his back trying to decipher the Sand Piper shredded documents. He looks to be in utter shock while Chuck asks "what's wrong, Jimmy? You ok...?" Jimmy smiles and tells him he wouldn't believe the dream he just had and is about to tell the story before he stops himself. Then he just says "Who would have thought, huh? The McGill brothers working together. Enforcing the law. Doing what's right." Cut to credits while some obscure semi popular rock song from the late 70s begins to play.


pcbeard

We can dream. Perchance to never wake.


MMonroe54

I like it!


margueritedeville

Intriguing, but I don’t think they’re gonna pull a Bobby Ewing.


Shot_Lynx_4023

For some reason the picture of Gene/Saul/Jimmy in an orange jump suit humming smoke on the water is the ending that would be perfect.


Grumbie_Johnson

Like he did in BCS S2E1 "Switch" which also has the same day trader who's car Walt destroyed in BB. The episodes opening is very foretelling too "9:21pm".


CorholioPuppetMaster

Walter died, Jesse got away, so I think Saul goes to prison. 2 shows worth of illegal stuff and no consequences would be strange


Jilltro

Jesse did avoid prison but I don’t see how you can say he escaped consequences. His girlfriend was murdered, he lost Brock and his family, he was enslaved and now lives his life on the run from the law, unable to open up to anyone about what he went through.


Grumbie_Johnson

And Jesse's previous GF choked to death plus he'll never be the drummer for "Twat Hammer" which was his ultimate goal. Fallacies.


Bugsmoke

Dying is not a consequence?


weebomayu

It is, but it’s not as severe a consequence as it should have been. Walt got off easy.


Bugsmoke

I replied to the other guy but it responds to your comment too. I don’t think he does get off easy. He just didn’t go to prison.


NuclearTheology

Walt got closure on his family, a deal for Skyler, insurance his money will go to his kids, revenge on Jack’s crew, and Jesse escaping. Walt got a bittersweet ending and off easy


Bugsmoke

I don’t think he got off easy really. His cancer came back, his family - and the entire reason he began going down that path in the first place - hated him. His son wanted him to die. Everyone knew what he had done. He spent 6 months slowly dying in a cabin alone with that barrel of money before getting shot dead. He had nothing. Going to prison would have been better for him really.


CorholioPuppetMaster

I feel like Saul dying is just getting off easy


Ravager135

I agree. I think your point illustrates that everyone got what they most deserved. None of the three are innocent, but Jesse certainly is the most redeemable. Walter deserved the inevitable death that was coming for him. Jimmy deserves to pay legally for manipulating the law.


margueritedeville

Fact. And going to prison is a poetic ending for a criminal lawyer.


OmniManDidNothngWrng

Would be funny if we see him in prison with an even more bleak routine than cinnabon Gene completely defeated only to pull some kinda scam in the very last scene proving that slippin jimmy has still got it.


cyp_roxyy

Im guessing he and kim get back together. He puts away saul goodman forever, and works through his trauma. This is an ending that would be unconventional, as we dont get happy endings in BCS/BB


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Tfw the last shot of the series is Jimmy sitting across Dr. Melfi


yaniv297

Not those fucking ducks again!


phuck-you-reddit

Thinking about it a little more though it would be wrong. Despite how dark and disturbed some things can be in BB and BCS it seems the creators want the bad guys to get what they deserve.


Dmin9

But Jesse did go through a very severe punishment before getting that freedom.


phuck-you-reddit

Yeah, losing two loves, enduring a year of slavery, heaps of emotional manipulation, being made to murder, probably forever losing his parents and brother. Jesse really went through the wringer. Our "justice system" wouldn't be satisfied but I feel like Jesse paid the price for his sins. I would hope he finds peace and happiness in Alaska.


BGMDF8248

Jesse unlike Walt just wanted to sell some drugs and have money to get by, never cared about empires or legacies. Both shows have a very open stance on drugs i would say, Gail made drugs but wasn't someone evil, Nacho was involved with drugs but was an ok guy too. So although he's a drug dealer he's not evil.


phuck-you-reddit

>Nacho was involved with drugs but was an ok guy too I hated Nacho in his early appearances. A punk-ass wannabe tough guy. 🤣 (Like when he's scamming Pryce or when he's acting tough with others.) But wow, I totally changed my mind as the show went along. Same with Howard, wasn't nuts about him earlier in the show but by the end I felt he was one of the most decent characters in the whole BB/BCS universe.


breezeway1

BB happened as a result of VG suggesting to TS that they rent an RV and sell meth, since they were both out of work. Joke, sure; but not one straights would generally make.


Fatg0d

Jesse got a good ending though, he wasn't exactly a bad guy but he was still a criminal.


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Jesse deserved it because in the end he was trying to do right by others and still paid the price by living in enslavement for a year.


cooterbrwn

Great reference to that Mike talk. BrBa had Walt, who did bad things under the premise of good motives, but was at his core a bad guy. BCS has Jimmy, who is (in my opinion) a good guy who likes to take shortcuts, which leads him to do bad things with sometimes *very* bad outcomes. We've seen repeatedly that he *genuinely* doesn't want anyone to get hurt, but they do, over and over. He does, however, show willingness to take personal damage to "make things right" (as much as they can be made right). Both are *criminals* but they're very different people. It's not a big stretch to think that Jimmy could have a much better end than Walt.


NuclearTheology

At this point Jimmy is a scumbag on par with Walt. Sure, he may not be the one pulling the trigger but he’s the one pulling the strings. His ease of casually suggesting murder shows he has the means and will to end a life if it will get his client the results they want, and it’s not a reach to assume he’s done it Even now Jimmy’s “cons” as Gene go far beyond sticking a cocky investor with a bar tab or ripping off stupid petty crooks. He’s straight up drugging and robbing people who’ve done him no wrong.m


cd2220

Yeah I feel like the dude with cancer was more or less Jimmy's "Grey Matter" moment where they're trying to tell the audience "there is no justifiable excuse. This is a *bad* (lol) thing" Honestly given how people still defend Walt to this day because "he had cancer" I guess they had to beat us over the head with "he's literally trying to drug and rob a dying man who was super nice to him." Not to say it's like bad writing or anything, it was just kind of funny to me


phuck-you-reddit

>At this point Jimmy is a scumbag on par with Walt. You're more right than you knew 13 hours ago! 🤣


phuck-you-reddit

And Gene continues to scam people (and is getting even worse going after a cancer patient). So unless he redeems himself in the next two episodes he deserves a "bad" ending.


Fatg0d

>This is an ending that would be unconventional, as we dont get happy endings in BCS/BB El Camino did have a "happy" ending (as happy as saul could feasibly get at this point)


MMonroe54

I think Gilligan tends toward the dark too much to let Jimmy/Saul/Gene go completely free.


MerryMortician

You know... part of me would be happy if he turned himself in, and then it shows him in prison with a bunch of convicts but he has talked himself into some sort of power position where he is sitting at a table between two large inmates and he's saying something like... "Listen Carlos, Big Mike and you both agreed that the seat at the lunch table was a fair swap for three packs of cigarettes a week and that's why you have to give it back to Big Mike or pay the penalty of two packs of Ramen and your shower shoes... now about my fee..."


crazyaoshi

Jimmy goes into a tunnel on an island and pulls a rock out of a spring. He is hit with eletromagnetic energy, but is saved by Chuck's space blanket. He awakens in jail surrounded by Kramer and Elaine and George Costanza.


JackD2633

and Bogdon is sitting with Babou, repeating over and over..."You are very bad man"...wagging fingers of course


ManoLorca

> I've still seen stuff about the last few episodes being kinda experimental and unconventional Maybe the experimental part was the time jump, the flashbacks with the old actors, the black and white film.


tw_192

Yeah, I hope it ends sort of like Bojack Horseman; with the >!title main character going to jail and losing his reputation, but also getting sober and confronting his inner demons.!< That was a good, realist, honest ending without being too predictable.


awe_some_x

This is my expectation, but not my hope. I’m wishing that Jimmy and Kim can reconnect and at least come to some common ground in the finale, but I expect it will end similarly to how it began: Gene in an orange jumpsuit, ashamed and confessing to his crimes like he did when he was arrested for what he did to his brother.


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I kinda think nothing happens, he disappears himself since Ed may be gone. And he’s living within his own prison; running and always watching his back.


SadSlip8122

Weve seen 2 fates, symbolocally - Walters fate is death, Jessies fate is freedom/salvation, it makes thematic sense that Sauls fate is justice/capture


Stovlari

The show ends with Jesse (played by 40-year old Aaron Paul with a bad wig on) waking up in Mr. Whites chemistry class. Both this show and Breaking Bad were only a dream.


Obi_Wan_Benobi

Damn, I had bet that Jesse wakes up in bed next to Bob Newhart! I was so close to greatness!


5tormwolf92

Aaron Paul said it would be to saddest dream ever. https://youtu.be/b4lbarlnur4?t=266


hi-c-orange-lvablast

El Camino was a fever dream


CorholioPuppetMaster

People say Gene looks like btk with that mustache and btk had to allocate his crimes in court. You can find the video on YouTube where he talks for like 45 minutes with no emotion


MMonroe54

And it's chilling. BTK is scarier than the scariest fictional serial killer.


Manzano_

It's very likely. I would love to see Jimmy on the stand pulling a speech similar to Chuck's chicanery.


ryohazuki224

Well, in a court of law its not what you know, its what you can prove. Got that line from a great movie, btw: Law Abiding Citizen.


brettmgreene

Bill Oakley: There's proving ... and then there's knowing.


Ghostcraft413

Imagine how absolutely apeshit would anyone go if they actually found Howard's body along Lalo in Heisenberg's methlab


ImaginaryCowMotor

Burying bodies down there seems shortsighted. Even in BB, they knew to destroy corpses in acid.


kuhpunkt

They didn't know it in BCS yet. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Mike asked Walter and Jesse in BB if this will even work when they suggest it.


manyetti

Yup we see Mike learning about the acid disposal in BB from Walt and Jesse when they’re disposing of victors body


Snoo52682

I was rewatching S3 last night, the episode where Jimmy and Kim close down their office, and Jimmy states that *all* old people in ABQ now know about what he did to Irene and hate him for it, thanks to the gray grapevine. (That's my term but you know he'd have said it.) It's probably an exaggeration, but that stunt with the yoga mic is what people who study urban legends call "sticky," and Jimmy had a lot of elderly clients besides Sandpiper. Marion's the friendly sort. She heard about this.


Mrpanders

I like that line of Marion there, maybe she uses that new computer jeffy got her with the stolen money, and finds a news story about Saul's connection to heisenberg


Grumbie_Johnson

Per IMDB Howard's "wife" is in BCS S6E12.


jmcgit

Per IMDB 'put your dick away waltuh' is a real quote


notscwill

IMDB has also had Walt and Jesse in episodes 6, 7, and 10 among others, so they’ve been trolling a lot with that


kayl-y11

What’s he up to man what’s he doing?


vaggod69420

Yeah but what about kim She could get in trouble


DrunkMarkJackson

Wow


lodestar_99

I really *really* doubt we’re going to hear from or see Cheryl again, especially considering we only have two episodes left. Edit: Aged like milk, LMFAO!


SAS9624

I mean there is still room for a Seinfeld Style Finale Court case Where they bring back all The people. I pray to the lord that they dont do that though


HanakoOF

The one thing I appreciate about the Sienfeld finale was realizing a poor finale doesn't mean a good show is ruined. At least when it's a comedy.


phuck-you-reddit

I wasn't nuts about the last couple seasons of Seinfeld (got too silly for me) but I liked the finale just fine. Was neat to see so many characters come back and trigger all those memories. After all, it was a time before instantaneous access to every TV show ever was available. I lived in a small town so I couldn't watch something unless the video stores or Walmart had it. (I didn't hate clip shows either for the same reason. So TNG's "Shades of Gray" and The Simpsons clip shows are a-okay in my book) 🤣


SAS9624

Totally Makes Sense. I mean its a freaking sitcom. Sure a proper ending for those Charakters is nice and all but at The End of The day The show is about nothing and The ending doesnt mess up The Rest of the show.


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SAS9624

Yo this is a Great theory lol


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HanakoOF

Knew I'd finally found someone who liked the finale by saying this.


your_mind_aches

That's different. It's a sitcom where the whole point is that the characters do not evolve or change and there's no arcs. It's very different even for a show like How I Met Your Mother where character development and the overarcing plot was extremely important.


Huck_Bonebulge_

As Larry David said, “no hugging, no learning.”


SAS9624

Thats The thing. Its a Comedy. Way Different rules apply there. A terrible ending Prolly wont Spoil a good show but people will always Hear about it. I Havent watched GOT but i know it has a shit ending. So The Legacy is Kinda effected in a way


HaGB76

Game of Thrones is impossible to enjoy on a rewatch because of its ending. Literally nothing that happens in the show ends up mattering.


mortpp

It’s impossible to rewatch because you can no longer lie to yourself that seasons 5+ are almost as good as 1-4 and just a little more chaotic, rather it becomes clear that D&D had no fucking clue what they were doing already


HaGB76

Yeah, I personally didn't really like it past season 5. In the moment, I found enjoyment in seasons 6 and 7. But that was me giving the show leeway expecting it to have a good ending. And yeah, retrospectively those seasons are nearly as bad as 8


strawberrylabrador

Yeah you’re right on this. Like, season 6 has some really good TV moments, but if you compare it to peak season 1-4 it feels like even at its best it’s an 8/10 show, vs the 10/10 that the first four seasons sometimes hit


KVMechelen

Its still enjoyable but more in a Rome/Deadwood "It got canceled halfway through" way


qaep

There's a Deadwood movie from 2019 you might enjoy :)


HaGB76

Yeah, if you just stop watching when [SPOILERS AHEAD] >!Tywin dies, or alternatively Stannis dies!<, it's probably enjoyable ish.


Theheroboy

you can tag spoilers by putting >! and !< around what youre spoiling and it doesnt show up unless someone clicks it


SAS9624

That is an interesting take. Idk Why but your comment actually intrigues me to Watch The Show, and Then probably Go on reddit and shit on the ending forever LOL


--mc--

It’s still an amazing ride for the first 4 seasons at least. And there are some great moments and episodes after that. But the end, and the last few seasons, really did ruin it for me. I would still recommend it as a series though. Or read the books! And then wait forever for GRRM to finish..


redditname2003

Hot take: The HBO ending was what Martin had planned. He saw how viewers reacted and those books are NEVER gonna get finished.


--mc--

I’m sure there were a lot of elements of his actual plan for the ending, if he even knows exactly how it will end. But I think that he would get there so differently, in a way that actually made sense. If anything, I feel like the shit ending to the show would motivate me to finish the books even more. But maybe he has to rewrite to change it up


cleverdylanrefrence

Occums razor man. This is the simplest, most plausible reason we'll never get another book.


AbysmalReign

Part of it was planned by him. He gave the showrunners a general outline of how it was going to play out. The showrunners however, rushed to the ending with zero build up so they could move on to new projects(which were later cancelled). The final season had enough content to cover that it could have filled 3 more seasons at least.


horkus1

Seasons 1-4 are basically perfect and goes down from there. However, I could never recommend someone miss out on season 6 of GoT (there are moments that are just incredible) but I definitely would tell them to stop at that season finale. Just pretend it ended there.


Paradox_Nutella

Same I watched it recently and I honestly thought the show up to season 6 wasn’t that bad. The last episode of season 6 I really liked, it was like the three major plots finally intersecting at one point. I watched season 7 and god I literally couldn’t bring myself to watch season 8. I just pretend it ended at season 6 lol I have no idea what happens in the shows ending. Ignorance is truly bliss sometimes


Cheddarface

You really just capitalized whatever words you felt like there, huh?


SAS9624

Now that you say it, it does look very odd haha. My iphone is set to German so Its messed up when i write in english


phuck-you-reddit

It's a secret code to reveal the ending of the series and Jimmy's fate. 🤣


james_randolph

I will say, it’s not that the ending of GOT is shit, it’s just how they got there is shit in my opinion. Throughout the series, it’s a traditional 10 episode set and then they started to lower the amount of episodes. Yes, some of the episodes were “longer” but it still changed the pace of the show that many were used to and instead of the time to build a story plot up let’s say over 2-3 episodes was done in the same episode. So it just seemed quick with how the pace was but I highly recommend watching it. It’s still a great show but yes, the ending overall was a sore point for many.


SAS9624

Interesting. Yea i have to watch it one day for sure


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The episodes are all mostly standalone as well, so it really doesn’t make a difference how it ends because there isn’t an overarching plot to follow, and you generally just watch the episodes you like anyway.


yaniv297

Seinfeld finale wasn't that bad at all, it's pretty good. And anyway the rules for comedy are completely different. Especially Seinfeld when there's literally no big plot and every episode is pretty much standalone. The finale is just another episode. In dramas, the final is the culmination of all the previous story.


Minkelol

How I Met Your Mother begs to differ here. Killing years of character development with the finale ruined the whole show for me personally.


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Minkelol

Yep, they spent the entire last season "hyping" up Robin and Barneys wedding only to have them split up in the first 15 minutes of the finale.


SAS9624

Himym is very unique there. Thats something i really liked. There were a lot of details and easter eggs everyhwere. It wasn‘t just a regulär Sitcom. But then They fucked up and produced so Many season that i just gave up watching it. Terribly Late releases in Germany do Not help. Sometimes u sit there for 2 years and wait for the episodes to come out, just so they can give you Blue balls by putting out one episode a week. That was back when himym was on, Thankfully you can Watch a lot of stuff on Streaming Sites.


ThrowawayTwatVictim

Final episode is a montage of the funniest moments in the series.


bjanos

Ooh you just made me realize that I would really love an El Camino like movie that explores this. Somthing like "The people VS. Jimmy McGill" and just make it an entire movie about the court case.


wonderbread616

HHAHAHAGAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAB AHAHABAHAHAHA


StinkyJane

This is the most deserved comment reply I've ever seen. LMAO.


lodestar_99

Gotta give it to you, OP. Though it would’ve been even crazier if she figured it out herself


WeilaiHope

We won't, but OP makes an interesting point. Kim made her bury her doubts but seeing everything that happened with Saul and Walt would bring them back up.


MrDabollBlueSteppers

Yeah, but how is it consequential? Cheryl can’t provide a shred of proof, the law enforcement already has enough to put Saul away and even if the truth were to come out - Howard just died from being at the wrong place at the wrong time, the only thing Jimmy was guilty of there was running a con that caused him to appear in that wrong place


WeilaiHope

It's not consequential, it's just fun to think about. Like what is Ernie thinking of Saul


ranch_brotendo

It's not consequential its just interesting to think about. There's no rules here.


ZhouLe

I don't think anything will ever come up in the show again about Howard, but following the end of BB and the legal attention from all levels of government it would have brought: I'm certain that Jimmy and Kim being the last to see Howard before he disappeared absolutely was given a thorough comb through. Probably wouldn't turn anything concrete up except the pranks and boxing match. Depending on if they found the meth bunker in the laundry they might have a slim chance of finding and identifying the body even.


GimmeTreeFiddy

Remind me bot tonight at 10 to see how this comment has aged


xpNc

Not well


YaBoiRaiko

r/agedlikemilk


dddvrsli

He didn't say we would


Odusei

Hi there.


wohrg

other than her making an unprovable accusation, I don’t see how anything could come of it. I don’t think they have enough time to pursue this red herring. Kim’s scene with Cheryl closed the Cheryl angle EDIT: spoiler…. wow, did I get that wrong.


zjm555

Cheryl knowing stuff wouldn't impact Jimmy since he's already fucked, but it could implicate Kim, who otherwise apparently got off scot free. Still, I doubt that will be a thing in the last two episodes.


evildrew

I agree that it's doubtful she shows up again, but Cheryl would have reason to clear Howard's name. 1) Financial - if there was a life insurance policy, it would probably be substantial, plus the entire firm was liquidated which could be considered the result of defamation. 2) Justice - She may not have liked Howard at the end, but she still loved him and would want to clear his name. Plus, if he didn't commit suicide, then someone murdered him and disposed of the body. There should be charges filed.


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AmIFromA

And even if she rightfully suspected that Kim and Jimmy had been messing with him, she would probably blame them for bullying him until he offed himself instead of thinking that they had killed him or anything like that. The way he was killed didn't have too much to do with that anyway, if Howard or Ernesto or whoever would have visited them for a chat and a glass of wine at the same time, Lalo would have killed him as well.


phuck-you-reddit

Kim upset her but I don't think she convinced her Howard was a drug user. Cheryl doesn't strike me as the kind to watch a bunch of TV but I bet every time she'd see one of Saul's commercials or banners or whatever it'd piss her off and get her thinking about things. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cheryl plays a part in bringing down Saul. Especially once the news breaks he was involved with Heisenberg.


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OP isn't saying that we will see her again. It's just something fun to think about.


[deleted]

Yes but the point is, Walt blowing up and the feds taking apart Saul’s entire business trying to get hold of him means that Cheryl’s suspicions are now reignited and that could make things very difficult for Kim if she’s still out in the world under her real identity.


ShoddyPreparation

The thing is its not like Jimmy wanted to or planned for Howard to bite the big one. Lalo just showed up and did Lalo things. Plus its not like Jimmy knows where the body is buried so not sure what point in bringing her back would serve outside of Kim cleaning her conscience


yaniv297

Jimmy and Kim aren't responsible for the murder (at least not legally), but they're definitely responsible for the cover up. And they did a bunch of illegal things, like giving false testimonies, in that process. Also, body or no body, there's definitely purpose in Jimmy finally confirming Howard wasn't a drug addict and was set up. Howard has been done more dirty than any other main character in this universe - not only dead through no fault of his own, but humiliated with his reputation destroyed. Especially as he's quite clearly the most decent main character in bcs (pretty low bar, but still...). I feel the character at least deserves some posthumous redemption, like his name cleared and for his wife to know what happened (or at least know he didn't kill himself).


cippopotomas

It wouldn't be interesting story telling if every character, good or bad, got what they deserved. Howard was a good man and he'll forever rot in a hole with the person who killed him while all his loved ones think of him as a suicidal drug user. That's the tragedy of his character.


Jaybirdy81

Exactly, Jimmy still thought Lalo had died at the time or Howard’s death. I think that why Kim took it harder, because she actually knew Lalo was alive.


strawberryjacuzzis

Damn, I just realized everyone that knew about where he was buried is now dead, so presumably the bodies will never be found.


darththunderxx

I guess it depends on what happened to the laundromat after Gus died. At some point, somebody unrelated is going to find the lab and probably mention it to the police


That_One_Cool_Guy

Walt and Jesse burned that mfer to the ground Hank and Gomez were poking around the charred remains of the lab in breaking bad


neilyoung_cokebooger

Hopefully Hank and Gomez reported the lab to the police after they were down there investigating it in an official capacity.


nick2473got

>after the trials regarding walt's empire Who went on trial ? Lydia's dead, Walt is dead, Todd is dead, Jesse got away, Skyler got a deal. Who had a trial ? >we know that pretty much every illegal thing saul ever did has now come to light How would everything he did come to light ? Lots of things are probably unknown due to lack of evidence. > cheryl definitely knows that jimmy was involved in howard's death more than he's letting on, maybe she even thinks he killed howard himself. This is a huge leap of logic. Just because Saul turned out to be a shady lawyer that means he must have something to do with her husband's death ? Why ? She has no reason to think Jimmy had anything to do with his death, let alone that Jimmy would be the actual murderer. And let's all just remember that Howard basically died from being at the wrong place at the wrong time. If he had been a friend coming over for dinner the result would've been the same. Jimmy didn't even know Lalo was still alive. It's not like he had any deliberate involvement in Howard's death.


kinmix

> Just because Saul turned out to be a shady lawyer that means he must have something to do with her husband's death ? This. Plus he was known to be a shady lawyer for quite a while, since him getting Lalo out on bail. His ads and his clientele are probably well known in legal circles as well. So I doubt that anyone would be particularly shocked to find out that the dude who represented a drug cartel also represented local drug manufacturer.


darththunderxx

Saul being revealed as crooked could help Cheryl realize that the entire cocaine addiction story was fabricated. From there, she could get curious about why Jimmy maintained the story after Howard's death, and it would be clear that Jimmy and Kim knew a little more about what happened. After that though, it's useless information because there's no way to prove what actually happened that night unless you were told.


chaosawaits

Why would Skyler get a deal if everyone is either dead or can't be found?


nick2473got

Well they said she did on the last episode. My guess as to how would be twofold. First, Walt gave her the coordinates for Hank and Gomez' bodies to trade for a deal. Second, in Ozymandias Walt made it seem on the phone like she was involved against her will. The authorities will know she had some role to play in laundering his money since she ran the car wash. So my guess is she probably told them whatever she knew about Saul's role in the money laundering in exchange for clemency. And if you think about it, it's kind of the only way the authorities knowing about Saul's involvement in Walt's crimes even makes sense. Skyler probably told them she was forced by Walt to launder his money and that Saul was a co-conspirator in that. She probably got a deal in exchange for whatever testimony and other evidence she can provide.


Inoox

That scene of Cheryl was just to highlight how well Jim and Kim work well together and how damaging it is to other people. You're most likely not going to hear about her again.


yaniv297

It's mostly about Kim commiting possibly her worst act yet - lying and manipulating a grieving widow to permenantly tarnish the reputation of her innocent dead husband - finally causing Kim to realize how fucked up everything is and leave Jimmy.


wonderbread616

how does it feel


samsop

This made me laugh for some reason


ilovethissheet

I think the only way we would hear about her or Howard again is if Kim breaks from a guilty conscious and spills the beans about witnessing the murder. But she has no idea where the body was buried and everyone who knows where the body was buried was dead. Unless the cleanup crew for the laundry facility stumbles on them Howard is gonna remain lost.


samsop

I thought about this comment watching last night's episode


Few_Republic1136

I immediately remembered this post after watching the new ep, nice!


bgates9312

Well if she didn’t know then, she knows now.


v4por

I've considered this too. Especially if Howard's body is found beneath the rubbage of the burned down superlab. If it's revealed Howard's death was not a suicide then that would put Jimmy and Kim in question because of the story they gave police. Cliff Main would probably believe Howard's story about Jimmy trying to destroy his life, if that was revealed.


Striking_Camera8748

All those with knowledge of where the bodies are buried are dead.


grahamjamesmaude

plus the lab was destroyed by walt and jesse years(?) ago.


TheTeaSpoon

the lab may be, does not mean the bodies are. They are under the lab and if any construction will take place there, they will have to dig up a lot, maybe revealing the bodies. But I still doubt we have time to open that one up.


5tormwolf92

Filling it up wouldn't make sense as it would be a hazard. Also it's a illegal construction and city law would force the concrete removed and the hole filled.


10wuebc

I doubt they even come close to finding the bodies. Their bodies were buried and then cemented over. They would have to completely remove the cement and then dig about 4-6 foot down to find the bodies. Unless they bring in cadaver dogs for some reason i doubt they find the bodies.


Manofthedecade

Cadaver dogs ain't even helping that. You'd need to use ground penetrating radar to try and search for the bodies. Now technically, GPR isn't that useful when you're randomly looking at a spot. It's helpful when you have some general idea there's a body in the area. But otherwise there's no reason to think you've found a body versus a rock. GPR also doesn't necessarily have a huge range - it depends on soil consistency but can be anywhere from 18 inches to 100ft. And the only reason the Feds would use GPR at the superlab is maybe to see if there was some hidden tunnel or storage under the floor. But they'd be looking for something big, bit a small bone pile. At best it's plausible enough for a television show though. If that magent trick can work in BB, then GPR can work in BCS.


darththunderxx

Well if they ever build over that land they'd need to remove the concrete and they's find the bodies then. Idk how well they'd be able to ID them though


Glass_Peanut_4242

I've thought of this. I don't see it leading anywhere.


SNES_Salesman

I think the gaslighting Kim planted in her head will make Cheryl wonder more what all Howard was up to WITH Jimmy and not what Jimmy did to him. She may suspect foul play but not pursue it because she doesn’t want to learn any new dark things about Howard.


StinkyJane

>!I enjoyed this scene so much more because of this post, especially since you were getting some guff for posting it.!<


robertofozz

This aged well


OldSnake2006

Lol.


bigchkn99

Damn I never thought about this. I hope the final episodes touch on this.


[deleted]

I’m hoping for an hour long Lyle episode at least


nosleepy

We need at least one episode detailing a normal shift. From opening up to closing (after a tense call from Gus asking if he can close due to a family emergency).


therealmahomes

Lol all these people hating and you were right


GreeseWitherspork

She prob has her assumptions, but also might make her think he had ever more to do with drugs and the lifestyle when she hears what business Saul was in.


Zormm

It’s not what you know it’s what you can prove


chaosawaits

There's no way she'd ever put the pieces together correctly. She might have suspicions that something doesn't add up right, but she'll never know which parts are the truth and which are lies. More importantly, no one alive even knows where Howard's body is. Without a body, there's no way the police will ever have enough to prove what Kim and Jimmy were involved in.


ZonkyTheMurderer

This whole comment section aged like milk.


Fluid-Cockroach2583

She probably heard about Kim quitting being a lawyer suddenly, too She definitely knows . I hope she gets justice.


Striker120v

Well you were half right.


marquee17

Din din din din!


GomezFigueroa

I keep seeing posts about Jimmy or Kim getting “caught” for what happened to Howard. But they’re not really guilty of anything that they haven’t already paid for.


yaniv297

The cover up of the murder? Lying to the police? Permenantly destroying the name and reputation of a fairly decent guy?


RealPunyParker

Ι can't call him Saul, after the show. He's Jimmy, for me, always


MatsThyWit

Cheryl would have no reason to believe that what happened with Walter White 4 to 6 years after her husband disappeared would be in any way connected to Howard's death.


Norjac

This thread aged well. However, if Kim hadn't have told her about Howard, there would be plenty of theories but no evidence to back them up. Additionally, everyone involved in disposing of his body under the Meth lab is dead. Unless Jimmy himself says anything, it was up to Kim to come clean. And, even Kim can't point to any physical evidence. I'm glad that Cheryl got some kind of closure, though.


FresnoMac

Cliff may have started to believe in Howard too after all that happened.


Jericho-941

She probably figured it out, but I don't really see her being able to *do* anything about it. Knowing something and proving something are two very different things, and Jimmy, Kim, and Mike covered their tracks pretty well. There may be a microscopically slim chance she could get some closure if they happened to find Howard's body buried in the superlab and identify him, but even that's doubtful.


cgcs20

Well, unless Gene or Kim confess to it, she’d have nothing to back herself up on such claims. Without any real evidence, she’d be dismissed as a widow still grieving. The only way this will be a thing is if Gene or Kim make it a thing


AuroraLiberty

I think Cliff Main is going to be the one to bring Jimmy down.


ranch_brotendo

Yeah I think Sauls full blown sleaziness will make him seem more suspisous again. Its one of those things where there is probably nothing she can do about it but will always feel deep down there's something wrong.


contrejo

I would think after they found the meth lab they probably searched with cadaver dogs. There's a chance they dig up the bodies find them. Is that happens then the person that's really going to effect is Kim Wexler. That means her story goes out the window completely if they find his body.


Littleloula

I can't see the dogs finding them under all that concrete and after so much time but I can imagine the site being redeveloped with the bodies then found


CorholioPuppetMaster

Maybe Marian has a daughter named Cheryl


Frequent-Estate-8021

So when are they finding Howard's body under the burned out superlab? Surely they'll discover him and Lalo eventually.


Grumbie_Johnson

Doubt they will dig up the concrete floor. Everyone involved in that "burial" is dead or MIA.


conservative89436

To a point. I don’t think she’s hit on the fact that a psycho cartel underboss whacked him at Jimmy’s just because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.