I gave up looking forward to completion about a year ago. Note I didn't say I would doubt it's completion, I'm just not wasting energy anticipating it's release. 5 years is a long time to receive trickle updates, and if I had to put money on it I would say another 5 years is in the making.
I will return and edit this with an appropriate mea culpa if I am proven wrong.
The Cyrodill deep dive they posted over the holidays this year gave me renewed hope that this thing might actually get done, assuming they can keep the same momentum going.
I have doubts regarding many of the other provinces. Morrowind and Illiac Bay very rarely post any sort of update, and their progress seems to be more or less exclusively focused on their pre-release areas. Doesn't give me much hope for seeing those provinces finished any time soon.
Unpopular opinion: projects like Morrowind and Illiac Bay will probably never get released. There's just way too much to do and they've been in progress for almost a decade now, I really doubt people will want to invest another with no assurance that it will ever release.
Illiac Bay just had the whole map erased because "it was placeholder", Atmora is also going through a big restructuring, how long until another project does something similar? Why would someone volunteer on Illiac Bay for example only to have his work removed years down the line because it wasn't up to the new standard or """it was placeholder"""?
And a bunch of people from the Expedition to Atmora mod were supposed to jump over to help with the Expedition to Akavir mod once they were done.
Like, don't get me wrong, there were a ton of issues with the Akavir mod that were going to hold it back regardless (despite my, at the time, best efforts as co-lead), but the point being made is that you should not count on people joining your project once theirs is done.
It is one of the two big reasons the Expedition to Akavir mod died, we were so sure that we were going to have talented help coming over in a few months that when it didn't happen we were fucked over.
The one major thing the other BS projects have that we lacked is that they are constantly trying to recruit while we were more stagnant on that side (wanting to wait for some of the Atmora people to come over before seeing where we needed to focus recruitment efforts), but the issue still remains with BS, even if it is to a smaller extent.
tl;dr: Do not rely on people from another project to be there for yours when they are done with theirs.
The Atmora team has changed a lot over the years - as I understand it, there were quite a few problems during development before the pandemic, which didn't sit right with many. Currently, Atmora is definitely one of the smallest teams within Beyond Skyrim, and quite a few of those active there are currently helping out other projects like Roscrea, myself included.
While Atmora started out as a small project with a few custom assets and mostly vanilla dungeons (many of which are still in the build to this date (don't worry we'll change them)), it definitely got more ambitious after joining Beyond Skyrim. Suffice to say, Atmora is nowhere near done, and it wont be for quite a while. And the "as we move into later stages of dvelopment" has turned into a bit of an inside joke among the devs.
No? The opposite has actually been said, with many team members saying they won't go do another project.
Why would they? This isn't a paid job and there is no obligation.
Everyone is working as much as they want, on the project they want, and nothing more. They will not jump to another if one somehow finally get released. This has been the case since the very beginning of community projects. After a project will be done, that will be it for most of the members.
That does seem to be the way things are heading, which is a real shame, as those are the two provinces I was really looking forwards to. They'll either never come out, or they'll take such an unGodly long time to release that they *might as well* never come out, because no one will care anymore.
I'm still not entirely sure how a team can work on something for more than a decade straight and have *next to* ***nothing*** to show for it, as seems to be the case with Illiac Bay and Morrowind, but that seems to be where things are at, sadly.
Though... Then again, a year ago I would have said the same about Cyrodill. So, maybe they can surprise me.
It honestly feels like some of these teams just need a solid kick in the pants. Argonia's friggin' FLYING over there, while Morrowind and Illiac Bay are just kind of floating aimlessly, belly-up in the water. They have been for literal ***years*** at this point.
I know it's "all volunteer," but it really feels like some of these teams just use that as an excuse to be lazy.
At this point we should come to terms that we might not get to play those. At least we'll get Cyrodill and some other pre-releases, that alone will be a literal game worth of content. Maybe Roscrea and Black Marsh later down the line. Anything else? At most a distant dream.
>I would say another 5 years is in the making.
That's fine by me, VR is already good enough and I'd happily play BeyondSkyrim if it came out in less than 5 years, but 5 years from now I'll have my treadmill and haptic suite, maybe even a smell system.
not a dev, my two cents for what it's worth. for me the question with cyrodiil is not if it will release but when.
i 100% wholeheartedly believe that cyrodiil will eventually be released, no matter what and how long it takes. cyrodiil is the beating heart of this whole project. there is just so much work already invested in it and it would be such a waste to not see it through, and failing to release cyrodiil would not only sink the credibility, but the pride of everyone who has ever been involved in the project. if cyrodiil gets shelved, it will be a devastating blow to the morale of all large scale TES mod projects going forward. i unironically do not believe we will be seeing cyrodiil in the 2020s.
i read on the discord a couple weeks back that the new north was mainly waiting on a couple tilesets to be completed for dungeons, and that some dev members are in favor of releasing morrowind in pieces, much like what tamriel rebuilt has been doing.
> and that some dev members are in favor of releasing morrowind in pieces, much like what tamriel rebuilt has been doing.
The whole thing should have been done in bite size pieces like Bruma. It allows them keep momentum with tangible progress without feeling like it's a road to nowhere with big bold ambitions but nothing to show for it. If you do a very rough version of the overall map to start with and then keep ticking off each village/town and a bit of the local forest/desert/swamp with it you'll eventually have the entire province done at some point.
I'd have to imagine Roscrea is getting pretty damn close to completion. They seem to be firmly in the "polish"/"bug fixing" stage of the project according to everything I've seen.
No idea regarding any of the rest. Holding out hope that we see Cyrodill, at least, before TES VI releases.
Roscrea is nowhere near the polish stage. Last year they completely reset exterior level design and that still hasn't been yet finished as first pass, let alone polish it.
Then there's also quest writing and implementation, which there have been recent posts about and is also very WIP. It will probably take a lot of time until everything is written and then even more until it is actually implemented in-game.
After all this together with the rest of the departments is finished, and Roscrea is "content complete", then it will finally be in the polish stage, which could take a long time, and another big thing is Voice Acting for the entire mod.
I honestly don't see Roscrea releasing for at least 2-3 more years, even if it's one of the closest.
EDIT: Yeah, no. Despite downvoters having delusion levels of coping, that won't change the release date.
>Roscrea is nowhere near the polish stage. Last year they completely reset exterior level design and that still hasn't been yet finished as first pass, let alone polish it.
That was two years ago, first off. And they said at the time it wasn't going to take a long time to fix.
In any case, if what you're claiming is true, they've been pretty actively misleading us. Literally everything I've seen posted regarding Roscrea on the discord server for well more than a year now has been polish, QA/QC, or "final touches" related.
The map literally looks **done**.
It'd be absurd for the project to drag on for another 2-3 years at this point. Not even having quests written, **this late** in the game, would be outrightly negligent.
> In any case, if what you're claiming is true, they've been pretty actively misleading us.
Beyond Skyrim misleading people about how done they are? Who could have guessed!? /s
Like, don't know if what they are saying is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me given the history of BS.
Seriously, in a month New North will have been "coming soon" for 2 years and they can't even commit that it will release in 2024 or even early 2025.
Before Atmora joined the internal estimates were a few months away, then they publicly stated it *could* be 2019, then every year for a while they kept insinuating that they were close.
One of the main ways of tracking progress were the pictures of the maps, and Iliac Bay looked quite complete from those until they deleted almost everything and said that it was always intended to be a placeholder despite the work initially being done as a first, very rough draft.
And that isn't even addressing the whole Bruma release date issue.
Like, say what you want about the quality of content that BS can produce, they have been consistently horrendous at PR and indicating how much they actually have done.
lol. True. But half the things the team have been posting in the Discord would basically be full-on lies if what the poster is claiming here is true. They've literally referenced doing "polish" and "finishing" passes of multiple areas.
>Like, say what you want about the quality of content that BS can produce, they have been consistently horrendous at PR and indicating how much they actually have done.
Yeah... Really hoping that's not the case here, but if it does turn out that they've been working on this thing for ***TEN YEARS***, and haven't even bothered to write any quests yet, I'm seriously going to flip my shit.
*"Wtf have you guys been* ***DOING*** *this whole time, exactly??!?"*
The whole worldspace is barely bigger than Solstheim. Get your ass in gear and finish it. Sheesh.
Like I said though... I don't think that's actually the case, from everything I've seen.
Yeah, despite the downvotes on my initial comment I'm still very fucking certain Roscrea won't release until 2026 at the earliest. Like, I'm literally willing to bet it won't, considering the current development pace and all there remains to be done.
The real truth is somewhere in between. I can give an example from the writing department. Since early last year, there has been what we internally call the "final push," a mix of writing and editing to simultaneously bring writing up to the current standard, polish everything that came before, and add the new writing that is compatible with prior work and ready to be shipped.
Progress is as fast as it can be without going sloppy. Remember, we have been going through the entire body of content that has been written for the project. That's years of work, cumulatively hundreds of pages. We polish and repurpose what is good and rewrite the rest. We are finished with all NPC, quest, and scene writing for most settlements and have started rewriting the Main Quest.
So yeah, while there still is content work to be done, most of that workload is now mixed with polish with a release in mind. I cannot give an ETA, nor can I make any promise that we will be "content complete" by any date. However, we want the project to be released as soon as possible and are working our hardest to achieve that.
unrelated to beyond skyrim, but skyblivion seen to be basically complete, with only the very final details being sorted out.
I think they plan to launch it somewhere around 2025.
Seeing such a big project concluding will surely give hope to other big projects, even if unrelated.
Cyrodil has been progressing at light speed lately so I can imagine within the next 4 years. I have no idea what's going on with Roscrea, it's been almost done for I think 2 years at this point. As for pre-releases, Tower of Dawn and New North are probably the nearest to completion.
If sky oblivion does actually release next year I imagine most if not all beyond skyrim projects will get a significant boost in contributors and thus move significantly faster currently the 2 projects closest to release are roscrea and the new north which I would imagine we would see by mid-late 2025 if being optimistic
Not sure but the project DESPERATELY needs to put something out. Get more eyes on the project and renew hope that things will actually occur.
They NEED to do more pre releases. Like for the love of god just show us something to revitalize interest in the project and get new people and volunteers to support the project
Late comment but whatever.
Cyrodill and Roscrea will (probably) eventually be released, and I'd expect Cyrodill to at least beat TES6. Everything else? I have no confidence it will ever be released with what I've learned about the mishaps in all the other projects.
Five or so years on from Bruma, I would've at least expected a new hold to mess around in, meanwhile Apotheosis is nearly complete, and has committed to a release window.
They've actually said they're confident that Cyrodiil will be done before TES6. Idk if they were being tongue in cheek because we don't know for sure when that will release either or they're going off the estimated release year for TES6.
Man I believe that cyrodill will come out.
I would have loved to see peace by peace. Be awesome but that's the teams position. Could lock off any questions that would align with the main quest
I don’t understand why they’ve spread themselves so thin… the project could have been done in increments of provinces to be released one by one. Simultaneously working on each one AND Atmora really doesn’t make a great deal of sense to me honestly. But I do believe they’ll be released eventually. Even when TESVI releases, Skyrim modding will still be alive and strong.
Can't really say for sure, but I would guesstimate that Cyrodiil and Argonia are less than 5 years from release. Not sure if any of the other provinces will see a full release if I'm totally honest. Morrowind and Iliac Bay seem to be basically dead at this point. I could be completely wrong on all of this of course.
I gave up looking forward to completion about a year ago. Note I didn't say I would doubt it's completion, I'm just not wasting energy anticipating it's release. 5 years is a long time to receive trickle updates, and if I had to put money on it I would say another 5 years is in the making. I will return and edit this with an appropriate mea culpa if I am proven wrong.
The Cyrodill deep dive they posted over the holidays this year gave me renewed hope that this thing might actually get done, assuming they can keep the same momentum going. I have doubts regarding many of the other provinces. Morrowind and Illiac Bay very rarely post any sort of update, and their progress seems to be more or less exclusively focused on their pre-release areas. Doesn't give me much hope for seeing those provinces finished any time soon.
That video was pretty amazing, looking forward to the future of BS.
Unpopular opinion: projects like Morrowind and Illiac Bay will probably never get released. There's just way too much to do and they've been in progress for almost a decade now, I really doubt people will want to invest another with no assurance that it will ever release. Illiac Bay just had the whole map erased because "it was placeholder", Atmora is also going through a big restructuring, how long until another project does something similar? Why would someone volunteer on Illiac Bay for example only to have his work removed years down the line because it wasn't up to the new standard or """it was placeholder"""?
I mean when the Cyrodil team will be done, a lot of them will help other people. This is an exponential situation right here
And a bunch of people from the Expedition to Atmora mod were supposed to jump over to help with the Expedition to Akavir mod once they were done. Like, don't get me wrong, there were a ton of issues with the Akavir mod that were going to hold it back regardless (despite my, at the time, best efforts as co-lead), but the point being made is that you should not count on people joining your project once theirs is done. It is one of the two big reasons the Expedition to Akavir mod died, we were so sure that we were going to have talented help coming over in a few months that when it didn't happen we were fucked over. The one major thing the other BS projects have that we lacked is that they are constantly trying to recruit while we were more stagnant on that side (wanting to wait for some of the Atmora people to come over before seeing where we needed to focus recruitment efforts), but the issue still remains with BS, even if it is to a smaller extent. tl;dr: Do not rely on people from another project to be there for yours when they are done with theirs.
The Atmora team has changed a lot over the years - as I understand it, there were quite a few problems during development before the pandemic, which didn't sit right with many. Currently, Atmora is definitely one of the smallest teams within Beyond Skyrim, and quite a few of those active there are currently helping out other projects like Roscrea, myself included. While Atmora started out as a small project with a few custom assets and mostly vanilla dungeons (many of which are still in the build to this date (don't worry we'll change them)), it definitely got more ambitious after joining Beyond Skyrim. Suffice to say, Atmora is nowhere near done, and it wont be for quite a while. And the "as we move into later stages of dvelopment" has turned into a bit of an inside joke among the devs.
No? The opposite has actually been said, with many team members saying they won't go do another project. Why would they? This isn't a paid job and there is no obligation. Everyone is working as much as they want, on the project they want, and nothing more. They will not jump to another if one somehow finally get released. This has been the case since the very beginning of community projects. After a project will be done, that will be it for most of the members.
That does seem to be the way things are heading, which is a real shame, as those are the two provinces I was really looking forwards to. They'll either never come out, or they'll take such an unGodly long time to release that they *might as well* never come out, because no one will care anymore. I'm still not entirely sure how a team can work on something for more than a decade straight and have *next to* ***nothing*** to show for it, as seems to be the case with Illiac Bay and Morrowind, but that seems to be where things are at, sadly. Though... Then again, a year ago I would have said the same about Cyrodill. So, maybe they can surprise me. It honestly feels like some of these teams just need a solid kick in the pants. Argonia's friggin' FLYING over there, while Morrowind and Illiac Bay are just kind of floating aimlessly, belly-up in the water. They have been for literal ***years*** at this point. I know it's "all volunteer," but it really feels like some of these teams just use that as an excuse to be lazy.
At this point we should come to terms that we might not get to play those. At least we'll get Cyrodill and some other pre-releases, that alone will be a literal game worth of content. Maybe Roscrea and Black Marsh later down the line. Anything else? At most a distant dream.
>I would say another 5 years is in the making. That's fine by me, VR is already good enough and I'd happily play BeyondSkyrim if it came out in less than 5 years, but 5 years from now I'll have my treadmill and haptic suite, maybe even a smell system.
not a dev, my two cents for what it's worth. for me the question with cyrodiil is not if it will release but when. i 100% wholeheartedly believe that cyrodiil will eventually be released, no matter what and how long it takes. cyrodiil is the beating heart of this whole project. there is just so much work already invested in it and it would be such a waste to not see it through, and failing to release cyrodiil would not only sink the credibility, but the pride of everyone who has ever been involved in the project. if cyrodiil gets shelved, it will be a devastating blow to the morale of all large scale TES mod projects going forward. i unironically do not believe we will be seeing cyrodiil in the 2020s. i read on the discord a couple weeks back that the new north was mainly waiting on a couple tilesets to be completed for dungeons, and that some dev members are in favor of releasing morrowind in pieces, much like what tamriel rebuilt has been doing.
> and that some dev members are in favor of releasing morrowind in pieces, much like what tamriel rebuilt has been doing. The whole thing should have been done in bite size pieces like Bruma. It allows them keep momentum with tangible progress without feeling like it's a road to nowhere with big bold ambitions but nothing to show for it. If you do a very rough version of the overall map to start with and then keep ticking off each village/town and a bit of the local forest/desert/swamp with it you'll eventually have the entire province done at some point.
There is none, the devs dont want to make estimates since Bruma was delayed for about 3 years
I'd have to imagine Roscrea is getting pretty damn close to completion. They seem to be firmly in the "polish"/"bug fixing" stage of the project according to everything I've seen. No idea regarding any of the rest. Holding out hope that we see Cyrodill, at least, before TES VI releases.
Roscrea is nowhere near the polish stage. Last year they completely reset exterior level design and that still hasn't been yet finished as first pass, let alone polish it. Then there's also quest writing and implementation, which there have been recent posts about and is also very WIP. It will probably take a lot of time until everything is written and then even more until it is actually implemented in-game. After all this together with the rest of the departments is finished, and Roscrea is "content complete", then it will finally be in the polish stage, which could take a long time, and another big thing is Voice Acting for the entire mod. I honestly don't see Roscrea releasing for at least 2-3 more years, even if it's one of the closest. EDIT: Yeah, no. Despite downvoters having delusion levels of coping, that won't change the release date.
>Roscrea is nowhere near the polish stage. Last year they completely reset exterior level design and that still hasn't been yet finished as first pass, let alone polish it. That was two years ago, first off. And they said at the time it wasn't going to take a long time to fix. In any case, if what you're claiming is true, they've been pretty actively misleading us. Literally everything I've seen posted regarding Roscrea on the discord server for well more than a year now has been polish, QA/QC, or "final touches" related. The map literally looks **done**. It'd be absurd for the project to drag on for another 2-3 years at this point. Not even having quests written, **this late** in the game, would be outrightly negligent.
> In any case, if what you're claiming is true, they've been pretty actively misleading us. Beyond Skyrim misleading people about how done they are? Who could have guessed!? /s Like, don't know if what they are saying is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me given the history of BS. Seriously, in a month New North will have been "coming soon" for 2 years and they can't even commit that it will release in 2024 or even early 2025. Before Atmora joined the internal estimates were a few months away, then they publicly stated it *could* be 2019, then every year for a while they kept insinuating that they were close. One of the main ways of tracking progress were the pictures of the maps, and Iliac Bay looked quite complete from those until they deleted almost everything and said that it was always intended to be a placeholder despite the work initially being done as a first, very rough draft. And that isn't even addressing the whole Bruma release date issue. Like, say what you want about the quality of content that BS can produce, they have been consistently horrendous at PR and indicating how much they actually have done.
lol. True. But half the things the team have been posting in the Discord would basically be full-on lies if what the poster is claiming here is true. They've literally referenced doing "polish" and "finishing" passes of multiple areas. >Like, say what you want about the quality of content that BS can produce, they have been consistently horrendous at PR and indicating how much they actually have done. Yeah... Really hoping that's not the case here, but if it does turn out that they've been working on this thing for ***TEN YEARS***, and haven't even bothered to write any quests yet, I'm seriously going to flip my shit. *"Wtf have you guys been* ***DOING*** *this whole time, exactly??!?"* The whole worldspace is barely bigger than Solstheim. Get your ass in gear and finish it. Sheesh. Like I said though... I don't think that's actually the case, from everything I've seen.
Yeah, despite the downvotes on my initial comment I'm still very fucking certain Roscrea won't release until 2026 at the earliest. Like, I'm literally willing to bet it won't, considering the current development pace and all there remains to be done.
I don't understand why everybody is downvoting this guy.
If that is true, then we would probably see cyrodiil first then roscrea.
The real truth is somewhere in between. I can give an example from the writing department. Since early last year, there has been what we internally call the "final push," a mix of writing and editing to simultaneously bring writing up to the current standard, polish everything that came before, and add the new writing that is compatible with prior work and ready to be shipped. Progress is as fast as it can be without going sloppy. Remember, we have been going through the entire body of content that has been written for the project. That's years of work, cumulatively hundreds of pages. We polish and repurpose what is good and rewrite the rest. We are finished with all NPC, quest, and scene writing for most settlements and have started rewriting the Main Quest. So yeah, while there still is content work to be done, most of that workload is now mixed with polish with a release in mind. I cannot give an ETA, nor can I make any promise that we will be "content complete" by any date. However, we want the project to be released as soon as possible and are working our hardest to achieve that.
Thanks for the clarification
unrelated to beyond skyrim, but skyblivion seen to be basically complete, with only the very final details being sorted out. I think they plan to launch it somewhere around 2025. Seeing such a big project concluding will surely give hope to other big projects, even if unrelated.
Roscrea/the new north is probably coming in 2025-2027, idk about the rest
Probably coming in based on what exactly?
Their current progress with these two mods
Cyrodil has been progressing at light speed lately so I can imagine within the next 4 years. I have no idea what's going on with Roscrea, it's been almost done for I think 2 years at this point. As for pre-releases, Tower of Dawn and New North are probably the nearest to completion.
If sky oblivion does actually release next year I imagine most if not all beyond skyrim projects will get a significant boost in contributors and thus move significantly faster currently the 2 projects closest to release are roscrea and the new north which I would imagine we would see by mid-late 2025 if being optimistic
If I remember correctly Bruma was released in 2018. So how don't they have any prereleases in 6 years, I just don't understand that.
2017
Not sure but the project DESPERATELY needs to put something out. Get more eyes on the project and renew hope that things will actually occur. They NEED to do more pre releases. Like for the love of god just show us something to revitalize interest in the project and get new people and volunteers to support the project
Late comment but whatever. Cyrodill and Roscrea will (probably) eventually be released, and I'd expect Cyrodill to at least beat TES6. Everything else? I have no confidence it will ever be released with what I've learned about the mishaps in all the other projects. Five or so years on from Bruma, I would've at least expected a new hold to mess around in, meanwhile Apotheosis is nearly complete, and has committed to a release window.
No one really knows.
after Tes 6
They've actually said they're confident that Cyrodiil will be done before TES6. Idk if they were being tongue in cheek because we don't know for sure when that will release either or they're going off the estimated release year for TES6.
Man I believe that cyrodill will come out. I would have loved to see peace by peace. Be awesome but that's the teams position. Could lock off any questions that would align with the main quest
I don’t understand why they’ve spread themselves so thin… the project could have been done in increments of provinces to be released one by one. Simultaneously working on each one AND Atmora really doesn’t make a great deal of sense to me honestly. But I do believe they’ll be released eventually. Even when TESVI releases, Skyrim modding will still be alive and strong.
Can't really say for sure, but I would guesstimate that Cyrodiil and Argonia are less than 5 years from release. Not sure if any of the other provinces will see a full release if I'm totally honest. Morrowind and Iliac Bay seem to be basically dead at this point. I could be completely wrong on all of this of course.