I don’t think I would have called 911 unless she was lethargic. Usually crying = uncomfortable but okay.
I pulled over a couple of times when my son’s screams just seemed worse than usual. It’s okay to feel crazy sometimes because it’s literally the first time you’re dealing with things like this.
Does your car have separate vents in the backseat for air conditioning? Or you could get a stroller fan to attach to the car seat. 30 minutes is completely reasonable for a car trip
I don’t have vents in the back of my car either. I paid the dealership to put in a remote start for my car which helped a ton (model didn’t come with one) but also usually I’ll leave the windows down to let the hot air escape as the first start driving and then blast the AC for at least 10mins when we first start driving.
Crying is good. Crying just means uncomfy. Heat makes people (including babies) tired so the biggest red flag will be exhaustion. Your pediatrician will also probably—if they haven’t already—go over symptoms of dehydration with you as you come into the hot summer. That’s usually one of the first run downs we got for both of our kids just bringing them home from hospital.
There's a product called I think the noggle. It attached to one of the vents in the front and goes to the back. It's soft so it won't be a harmful projectile in case of an accident this will help cool down the car !
I was about to recommend this. I love the Noggle! It has helped my baby so much in our Texas summers. Side note to car manufacturers: put air vents in the back of the cars.
We have a noogle for our daughter and it works great. Is it expensive and atrocious to look at? Absolutely. It is worth it for how hot she gets in the car? Absolutely.
Came here to recommend the noggle too!! We no have a van and don’t need it *as much* but it is FANTASTIC especially if you have a kiddo that gets car sick easily. I hate that more cars don’t have vents in back rows.
You can also just know that you need to blast AC and turn your front vents up to cool the car when you first get in. Will be uncomfortable for you for sure initially, but will help baby not get over heated. Don't beat yourself up. Sounds like you did everything right
Get the noggle instead of a stroller fan. It isn’t safe to attach them to the car seat when in the vehicle. It would become a projectile aimed right at kiddo’s face if you were in a car crash or even potentially had a really hard stop.
I think they mean the stroller ones that wrap around a bunch rather than clipping on. I've had car safety experts say it's something they feel safe recommending
My little girl always gets hot and sweaty when she’s very upset, even if it’s not hot in the room. I almost feel like she was hot which made her uncomfortable which led to crying which probably made her more hot, more uncomfortable, cry worse, and as she got more worked up, she got hotter. Totally agree with other commenters that crying is good and lethargic is the red flag you want to look for!
I think this is the first time I've had to leave her to cry for this long and just had no idea sweating profusely like that could happen. Thank you, it's so helpful to know what signs to look for.
I hung my stroller fan from the handle on the ceiling in my car. Then baby can't reach it so I wasn't worried about her fingers getting stuck when I drove but it also was aimed right toward her so I knew she was getting airflow
Look up misting pram fans on Amazon, we got one for $40 and it's amazing, the mist actually cools really well and it has legs that can wrap around pram handles, cribs and car seats. Don't waste your money on a fan with foam blades and a clip to attach it they barely work.
I would get a stroller fan and clip it or a hose that connects from the vent into the back (Amazon).
This happened a LOT with my first born in the back of my Subaru. We had no vents in the back and the Chicco keyfit which he was had the worst air flow a car seat could have it seemed like
>I don’t think I would have called 911 unless she was lethargic. Usually crying = uncomfortable but okay.
I always try to remember screaming means they are breathing; everything can be fixed as long as they are breathing.
I took an EMT course in college and they always said it was the quiet ones you should worry about. Baby takes a knock to the head and screams bloody murder? Should probably get medical attention, urgent care might be sufficient. Baby has a fever and you can't wake them up? Straight to the ER, possibly call an ambulance.
A noggle and reflective car seat cover will help too.
Sunshades (that don't roll up on the windows) are a must!
I blast the AC on the lowest temp (59 F) even before my toddler gets in or she still ends up a sweaty mess. I need to keep it so cold I face the vents off of me.
We have vents the back but they don’t turn on automatically, the settings in our car are really stupid and we can never quite figure it out. It took us a while to realize the issue although we never had an issue with overheating but it’s good to keep in mind to make sure they blow properly back there.
I would not have called 911. They get sweaty from crying hard. If my baby was crying hard I would do what you did, stop and nurse. My second kid always cried in the car seat when she was a newborn but sometimes I had to drive her to doctors appointments and such. I tried to time it so that she was full and tired so she would fall asleep. Sometimes she would cry hard on the freeway and that sucks, but as long as shes crying she’s alive… it’s distressing to drive with a crying baby but it’s also kind of inevitable when you have a baby and have to drive a lot.
Yeah, I had a newborn who just hated car in general and he would scream and work himself up into a sweat even in the middle of winter when the car was cold. He eventually outgrew his car hatred, thank goodness!
There’s probably not strong enough air flow in the backseat. Can you blast the air and keep it lower than 70? Honestly during this time of year, I keep the car a/c at 68 or lower until the whole car is cool enough. There isn’t good airflow in our backseat either. Can you crack all the windows open during the car ride?
Also, aim all the front ac vents up to the roof. This allows the airflow to climb over the front seats and settle in the back seat. And always make sure the windows are tightly shut if the AC is on; if it's warm enough to turn on the AC, the AC will ways be colder than the outside. Source: I live in Arizona. Seriously, aim the vents to the roof. Lol
Edit and if you don't have tint, they have mesh window covers you can get to help keep sunlight out of the back seat. Def worth the investment, they're super cheap on Amazon
Yeah it creates a bit of a greenhouse effect back there, where the temp just keeps increasing due to lack of airflow. If the budget allows, I heard people love the noggle which basically routes air from the front vents to the back seat
My car gets terrible air flow to the back area. I ran a dryer vent hose from the foot bed vent under the driver seat to face the kids. I can at least run cool air towards them now. It was a bit to wrangle and figure out, but it's screwed on and works. I have two rechargeable fans with clips to help circulate air and in each of their seats I have a cooling pad. When the youngest was still rear facing, I just ran the vent hose up around his seat to face him and get air directly to him.
Get a noggle! My baby also used to get worked up when too hot. It can also help to pre-cool the car, turn it on for 2-5 minutes and get the AC pumping, it makes a surprising difference.
Also to add, when they’re that young I’d say it’s better to feed before you leave than to anticipate they will wait. If the car usually helps them nap, they will refuse if hungry. I’ve had many times where I have to find a private place to park and feed because baby decided not to wait until the drive was done. You’re still doing great!
It's your baby and trust your instincts for sure, but from an outside perspective it sounds like she was very likely just hungry. For a 8 week old 2.5 hours is totally within the realm of normal for feeding intervals. My guess is she just worked herself up crying from hunger and that's why she was a bit red. I wouldn't worry about changing your car setup at all.
When I used to go places solo with my baby in the summer, I always started the car and got the AC blasting, then sat in the passenger seat and nursed her until the car cooled down. Probably 10 minutes, I'd guess.
As others have mentioned, the air flow in the back probably isn't great. I actually recall riding in the back with her when my husband was driving and it would easily take 10 minutes before the back cooled off, so that was what made me decide to always nurse her for a bit before putting her in the car seat when it's hot.
For my baby, they need to have a full belly before going in the car seat. My baby at 8 weeks would be hungry after 2.5 hours and would get upset on a car ride home for 30 mins if I didn’t feed first. So for me, I would feed first before that drive.
I agree with others that I think baby was just hot from crying. But I always blast the air when baby is in the backseat since air doesn’t get directly onto them since they rear face
I keep my ac as low as it can go until the entire car cools down. I also have an extra stroller fan I keep in the car to blow on baby in the car seat on hot days.
No, I don't think calling 911 would've been necessary in that scenario. I always feel like saying something when I see posts about dressing baby for summer and all the people talking about layers and hats, etc but my daughter runs hot like her dad and would literally be drenched in sweat in many situations as an infant. Now she sleeps mostly in a diaper now that she's older.
She was sweaty from her crying meltdown. Babies sweat fast when they cry!! I don’t think she was in danger. I think she wanted out of the car, was hungry, pissed off - but safe.
Did her car seat feel hot to you? If not, I would suspect she was hot and sweaty from heavily crying for several minutes. That’s hard work for a baby! My baby also gets hot when he’s really worked up.
I bet she was crying because she was hungry and/or just didn’t want to be away from you. I usually nurse before we get into the car - even if it’s just a little top up, it still seems to help.
Crying is generally not a reason to call 911, unless she is crying at the top of her lungs for an extended period even after you’ve been trying to soothe her. And even then I would go though a lot of other options before I’d ever imagine calling 911.
I wouldn’t have called 911, you settled baby and they didn’t seem lethargic so I’m sure they’re fine. Car tips from a former Floridian- park in the shade no matter how long that makes the walk, if possible. Always use a reflective window shade as well, they really help. Open the windows to get as much hot air out as possible while the ac is cooling down (do this while/before you load baby in the car). I’m tempted by the boggle but I’ve haven’t felt the need yet, I also don’t use a fan attached to the car it can be a hazard (that’s just my preference). As others have said, set the ac lower than 70, it takes a while for the whole car to cool down. You did the right thing stopping to check, it’s always worth the delay to find a safe place to park to check on them.
That is so scary! Cars can get so hot! We have a sunshade on our back window to help block direct sun. Do you have something that? I also roll the windows down to air the car out when I first get in to help get out the trapped heat. Maybe she was overheated from the combination of clothing and warm car when it first started? Intense crying definitely doesn’t help.
I would have called 911 if the baby wasn’t breastfeeding, was lethargic and difficult to rouse, or had chest retractions. I know the crying isn’t pleasant, but if they are able to breastfeed and calm down, they are likely okay.
When my son was that age, he suddenly had a hard time in the car (coinciding with some gut issues he had). I never wanted to go more than 15 minutes when I was by myself during that phase. Hearing him scream like that brought out some intense anxiety and would end in both of us sobbing. Really it’s whatever you feel comfortable with, there’s not really a right or wrong answer for how long to keep the crying going because it really depends on the situation. Some babies truly hate the car and will scream because of that. But if your gut is telling you that something is wrong, I would always follow that feeling.
My son has been sent home from daycare for having a fever after working himself up by crying. She absolutely could have made herself sweat by crying hard.
Crying and screaming is always a good sign. It’s when she isn’t that is a big concern.
She could have just been hungry also and not overheating at all. Babies are sweaty little beings!
Give yourself a break, you did the right thing to stop and make sure baby was okay & feeding her.
We were out today too and it was very hot, she was sleeping & I kept just touching her to make sure we got a reaction and she wasn’t overheated or lethargic. It’s scary not to know!
Amazon has these little stroller fans , the legs are flexible to wrap around anything, maybe grab one and you can wrap it around a seat headrest or car seat bar for extra air circulation.
You did everything right, glad everyone is okay
You are absolutely not crazy pants I’d be freaking out too!! I took my baby at 10 weeks alone on an hour long ride but he slept the whole time. I can usually tell the difference between his “I’m grumpy and don’t want to be in the car” cry and his other cries. So if his cry was different and more aggressive I would have done what you did and found a safe place to pull over.
Only other advice I want to add besides what’s here is to get one of those mirrors you attach to the headrest above the baby so you can see them while you’re driving. That way if he’s screaming you can check what he looks like and if his face is going red or blue.
Yes, your “mistake” was not feeding baby before getting in the car! Rookie error! My infant melted down any time I put her in the car for a drive if she hadn’t nursed before and I’d have to pull over and nurse her and/or change a diaper half way through trips. Many trips were interrupted half way even short 15-20 min ones because of hunger or poopy diapers. It happens, don’t be hard on yourself, just try to put baby in car seat just fed and with a just clean diaper, increases chance of getting home without screaming but even then you just never know with infants!
As far as being sweaty, kids just do they when they’re worked up.
I can't see if anyone else has posted it here, but you need to feed babies more frequently when it's hot. Just like you or I will drink more water when it's hot to stay hydrated so will babies. If you normally feed every 2.5 hours then you should be offering much more frequently on hot days, even if baby only feeds for a few minutes each time rather than having a full feed.
A lot answers already. I’ll add that I actually think she may have been hungry. I have learned the hard way that babies don’t exactly like “waiting” for things lol.
So if my baby usually eats every 2.5 hours and I’m about to start something - his nap, a car trip, a walk- and it’s been more than half that time (somewhere around an hour and half) I always offer food proactively.
I overheated my baby at 8w too!!!!
It was cold out and the car freezing when I put him in it. He was already in fleece PJS, and I put a fleece blanket over him.
He was happily sleeping away and it didn't occur to me that I'd turned the heat on in the car to warm the car up.
When we got where we were going (30-45min) he was still sleeping and had turned beet red!
Luckily my husband was cool headed and helped me get some damp towels to put him in and we gave him a bottle in case he was dehydrated. He perked back and his skin went bck to normal pretty quickly. so crisis was everted.
Plenty of good advice on car temps. Just want to echo the sentiment that a lot of it was probably baby overheating from the crying and fussing. Our girl does that sometimes, even in environments where she was perfectly comfy prior. Your baby is okay and you did all the right things by responding to your little one! Postpartum anxiety is a B%^&_. So I'll say it one more time for good measure - your baby is okay, you're a good mom, and you handled this well!
You've got lots of great advice here I won't repeat.
One extra point: I've been in plenty of cars where the climate control is all for the driver and the back seats end up stifling.
Try aiming all the vents away from yourself and dressing somewhat warmly so that your perceived level of temperature will be closer to your back seat passengers.
Where did you park? This is something I bring up in my prenatal classes (Doula, Childbrith Educator) because I live in a hot, equatorial country where parking tends to be above ground and not shaded. I’ve seen babies suffer heatstroke on 10 minute drives.
Car seats are thick and tend to absorb heat; think of all that padding. This means it takes a long time for them to cool down: so if you were parked in the sun, even if the car felt like an ok temperature, and the ac was on, it could be that the seat itself got too warm and did not cool down before you put baby in it. Try to park in the shade or underground, and if you can’t, take the seat out of the car and take it with you - when it’s practical to do so.
Usually we meet indoors in a yoga studio and we all bring our car seats in for this reason. Yesterday we met at a park and I had the car seat with me but I'm sure it still was heating up. I have to admit one of the reasons I waited to feed her is because I'm nervous to BF in a very open public space (and afraid to sit in the car bc a woman just got carjacked at a nearby park) but I think this experience cured me of that, next time I'm just going to ask one of the moms to wait with me.
The car seat retains a lot of heat too so I always start the car ahead of time so it can cool down. That's if you have a remote start.
My kid has always gotten insanely hot and sweaty when he is crying. He's 2.5 and still gets that way.
I had a pretty rough time with ppa and feel like I would have felt the same way in your situation. You're doing great momma.
I had PPA and I’m glad you’re getting counseling for it soon ❤️
Some advice: I have an octopus arm fan from Amazon and I’ll hang it from the grab handle and point it towards LO. Our AC in the back sucks so I blast the cool air and that fan helps circulate the air to LO directly. I’ll also drive with the windows down for a couple of minutes just to get all the hot air out before I blast the AC.
There’s also something called The Noggle that’s a tube that connect from the front to the back. I personally didn’t think it worked and I was reaching for something from the back and yanked the noggle.. it broke the little fan glide things that’s connected to the front AC
I ordered a noggle after getting these comments (I had never heard of it before.) I had no idea how crappy the circulation was in the back seat (no vents back there). It's almost time for a new car, so that will definitely be a consideration next time around!
Same here! We’re waiting for our car to give out which should be soon lol
The noggle breaking my ac fan was primarily just from me not paying attention or thinking that could happen 😅😆
Also, I forgot to add but I totally understand your worry in this situation. It’s ok that you thought about calling 911, but you also caught yourself and ended up assessing the situation better and didn’t. There’s a bunch of hormones and sleep deprivation you’re dealing with too!
I thought my LO also got overheated when we were waiting for curbside pickup. I was in the back seat next to him and felt like he was sweating a little and it was a little bit hot in the back.. he was also not waking up easily. I thought about calling the pediatrician or going to the ER but my husband reassured me into not doing it since LO woke up and seemed fined after I nursed him. I also quarantined for LO’s first 5 months because I was terrified of us getting sick.
You’ll get over the hump of PPA, there is a light at the end of the tunnel! Now we go to a bunch of places, play with others, share toys, etc. It just took me some time to get a good grasp on when something is an emergency and when it’s not and accepting that sometimes LO will get sick or hurt but that doesn’t mean he’ll be hospitalized. My therapist taught me that if I would be really worried, I could call my pediatrician or on call nurse instead of googling or wanting to rush to the ER. Eventually after being told so many times he’s ok, I started to realize babies are a lot more resilient than we think. ❤️
Don't clip the fan on the car seat and don't have it blowing directly at the baby. Clipping it on the carseat voids the carseat warranty in case of an accident, and if it falls while driving can create injury. It works for others, until it doesn't.
Just use a noggle.
I bought one of those small fans with articulated legs on Amazon for labor and it has also worked super well as a fan for baby in the car. It's the Amacool brand. I also use it as a stroller fan - highly recommend!
We hang it from the handle above baby's car seat with 2 legs going on way and onr going the other, so it's very secure.
I cool my car down before putting baby in the car, and we have a stroller fan on her. I actually bought a new (to me) car because my last one didn’t have backseat vents, and I felt like my girl was overheating every time we got in the car.
I know you have had all the replies you probably needed, but I just wanted to let you know that I have done this, too. Our drive was 45 minutes long, and I didn't realize that my back vent only worked on one setting. He was crying so hard, but we were almost home, so I kept going until I realized he was hyperventilating. I pulled over (I live in the country, so the only place was a graveyard!) and did exactly what you did. Nursed him and stayed there because I felt so bad and was scared. He was fine and now we have an extra fan in the car in the summar for him.
It happens. It sucks, but it happens. I hope you know how good of a mom you are 💗
My baby runs hot, so we have to be pretty careful with planning outings so we can keep her cool. What was she wearing?
Even my daughter’s footie pajamas got too hot for her in November! She’s the happy weirdo baby in a spaghetti strap, no-leg bodysuit in the dead of winter.
Don’t feel weird for getting worried. I’ve been there! It’s hard when they aren’t all cozy and safe in your uterus anymore.
As some have already stated I really would be surprised if the overheating made her cry. My November baby would scream in the car and be nearly dripping sweat when it was -5 out. Likely something else was bothering your babe and the crying made them sweat hard! So sorry this happened!
If the sun was on that side the car the baby could get too hot in a short time. You have probably experienced that yourself. Buy stick on sunshades for back side windows.
My car is currently in the shop to have fancy ceramic window tint installed. It’s supposed to keep it cooler! And my toddler can’t rip it off the windows, unlike her stick-on shade. Fingers crossed it helps. The Noggle is my next plan if this isn’t enough.
And you are not at all crazy. Screaming is the only way they have to communicate and clearly your baby was trying to tell you something. By all means listen and do what you can to make sure she is ok. I definitely pulled over and nursed my daughter in many many random parking lots when she was younger. It gets easier, I promise. Hang in there.
First of all, you handled it well. You recognized that stopping where you were wasn’t safe, so you found a parking lot.
My baby was born in August, and we had many weeks of hotter than usual fall so it was still hot when he was 2 months old. It didn’t significantly cool down until November that year.
I usually made sure to run the AC on full blast for a bit before popping his car seat in, because as many pointed out, the back may just not be as well ventilated. And sometimes even opening the window when driving can help with air circulation before the AC catches up.
I wouldn’t have called 911 in your case either - if baby eventually calmed down and was responsive to the comforting, then she probably just got a bit worked up from being hungry, and then hungry and hot.
I regularly drove around with mine for 30+ minutes when he was young. So I don’t think the time is the issue - babies need breaks out of the car seat regularly but if you’re making 30 minute trips, I wouldn’t be too concerned.
My “baby” is 21 months now - we’ve thankfully never had to make an emergency stop to check on him as we were usually able to calm him down with music or he would calm down on his own. But if it’s escalating with no improvement in 5 minutes, I’d probably intervene
Look into noggle…it’s a hose you connect to front ac to help cool back. There are also ice packs you can get for the car seat to keep it cool not days when not in use.
Maybe next time take the car seat inside with you so it's not baking in the son when you put her in.
It sounds like your baby was uncomfortable and cried to get picked up. It worked and you got her! She's absolutely fine. Even if she was sweaty, she's fine.
You're doing an amazing job!
Something that helps me for keeping an eye on temperature in the backseat is to point the vents that are pointed at me away from me.
That way I’m feeling the temperature in the car, not the temperature of the cool air coming out of the vents. Since there’s no vents in the back, trying that should help you to know when it’s too hot back there and the temp should be set lower.
I wouldn’t have called 911 either, I think you acted correctly!
My baby also got sweaty in the car seat. In my country there is a brand that sells specific seat liners so there is a small airflow possible between the baby and the car seat. It is like 5mm tick and you attach it to the chair.
When we use that she doesn’t get sweaty and is comfortable. Maybe there is something like that in your country?
I think you handled it really great, I would have for sure panic and call 911 that age as I had basically no idea what I was doing, I took her to the ER first week for inconsolable crying and light temperature rise which turned out to be just her passing gas 🫣 But I think you did everything right.
Just, I don't know what recommendations in your country are, I live in Serbia and the recommendation here is to put baby front seat backwards facing when driving alone with baby and turn airbags off. I think that is more convenient as you can always see baby and react sooner, without parking the car.
You can buy sun seat car shade covers on Amazon. They are like what you put in your dashboard window to eliminate some heat. This goes over the carseat when you are not in the car and keeps the sun from baking the seat and it feeling so overwhelming hot when you first put your child in.
Hot baby dies, cold baby cries. I would think that the sweat was mostly from the screaming and you did everything perfect! You can get a Noggle if you want and put a light muslin blanket over baby if you think baby was too hot
You did so good. I’m sure baby was hungry a little soon. I probably let my little one cry for five minutes just because I get stressed out when they cry while I’m driving lol. Also any distance car ride!! Currently on a 12 Hour Rd. trip with two toddlers, but it is a little different because they’re not eight weeks I guess
I just want to tell you that you're not crazypants. This is something I worry about too and I'm a second time mom! I've read infants can't regulate their body temp well so getting too hot in a carseat is a concern.
As others have said, air flow can help a lot. Get a little clip fan that you can point directly at baby on a low setting in the backseat.
If possible, let your car cool down for a few minutes before loading baby in.
I probably would have given baby a good chance to calm down before calling the emergency line, but I don't think you should feel bad that you called. We are the first line defenders for our babies and you made the call you felt was right at the time!
Cold packs for 5 minutes or so in carseat before putting baby in ( remove before putting baby in lol)
Stroller fan clipped somewhere ( everything is a projectile, I get it...)
Saved me a lot of stress...yes scream crying will heat the kid up like a hot pocket! It's awful, it gets better!
Totally understand your concern, just bought a stroller fan for my car that also has no vents in the back, it's brought great peace of mind and I plan to use it in the stroller too. My baby gets sweaty in her seat and can really work herself up crying so this was an essential for me.
I don’t think I would have called 911 unless she was lethargic. Usually crying = uncomfortable but okay. I pulled over a couple of times when my son’s screams just seemed worse than usual. It’s okay to feel crazy sometimes because it’s literally the first time you’re dealing with things like this. Does your car have separate vents in the backseat for air conditioning? Or you could get a stroller fan to attach to the car seat. 30 minutes is completely reasonable for a car trip
Thank you! No vents in the back, this is good advice and I will look into a stroller fan!
I don’t have vents in the back of my car either. I paid the dealership to put in a remote start for my car which helped a ton (model didn’t come with one) but also usually I’ll leave the windows down to let the hot air escape as the first start driving and then blast the AC for at least 10mins when we first start driving. Crying is good. Crying just means uncomfy. Heat makes people (including babies) tired so the biggest red flag will be exhaustion. Your pediatrician will also probably—if they haven’t already—go over symptoms of dehydration with you as you come into the hot summer. That’s usually one of the first run downs we got for both of our kids just bringing them home from hospital.
There's a product called I think the noggle. It attached to one of the vents in the front and goes to the back. It's soft so it won't be a harmful projectile in case of an accident this will help cool down the car !
I was about to recommend this. I love the Noggle! It has helped my baby so much in our Texas summers. Side note to car manufacturers: put air vents in the back of the cars.
This was straight up a huge reason I traded my car in. The Chicco keyfit was extra bad about this too
I have that! I live in Texas and summers are brutal, but the Noggle is awesome. Def helps keep my 2 year old cool.
That’s the first time I’ve seen this! Thanks for recommending
We have a noogle for our daughter and it works great. Is it expensive and atrocious to look at? Absolutely. It is worth it for how hot she gets in the car? Absolutely.
Came here to recommend the noggle too!! We no have a van and don’t need it *as much* but it is FANTASTIC especially if you have a kiddo that gets car sick easily. I hate that more cars don’t have vents in back rows.
You can also just know that you need to blast AC and turn your front vents up to cool the car when you first get in. Will be uncomfortable for you for sure initially, but will help baby not get over heated. Don't beat yourself up. Sounds like you did everything right
Get the noggle instead of a stroller fan. It isn’t safe to attach them to the car seat when in the vehicle. It would become a projectile aimed right at kiddo’s face if you were in a car crash or even potentially had a really hard stop.
I think they mean the stroller ones that wrap around a bunch rather than clipping on. I've had car safety experts say it's something they feel safe recommending
It’s not considered safe to attach anything to the car seat since it can affect it in a crash or become a projectile.
Vents in the back don't help much when rear-facing anyway. I wish mine had ceiling vents.
My little girl always gets hot and sweaty when she’s very upset, even if it’s not hot in the room. I almost feel like she was hot which made her uncomfortable which led to crying which probably made her more hot, more uncomfortable, cry worse, and as she got more worked up, she got hotter. Totally agree with other commenters that crying is good and lethargic is the red flag you want to look for!
I think this is the first time I've had to leave her to cry for this long and just had no idea sweating profusely like that could happen. Thank you, it's so helpful to know what signs to look for.
It’s definitely concerning when you find your baby so sweaty like that!
I just recommend not to aim the fan at your child’s face. They tend to hold their breath of air is blown on their face.
Its actually the opposite. You blow to get them to take a breath.
Thank you! Also, you must get this a lot, but I am living for your username.
Thank you! ❤️
Could always look into an AC tube (Noggle is the name vrand) for extra air flow to the back seat!
Sorry if this has been said already but please don’t put a stroller fan on the car seat. If you crash that’s going to go right for your babies face.
Thank you for adding this, I think I'm getting a noggle.
I hung my stroller fan from the handle on the ceiling in my car. Then baby can't reach it so I wasn't worried about her fingers getting stuck when I drove but it also was aimed right toward her so I knew she was getting airflow
Look up misting pram fans on Amazon, we got one for $40 and it's amazing, the mist actually cools really well and it has legs that can wrap around pram handles, cribs and car seats. Don't waste your money on a fan with foam blades and a clip to attach it they barely work.
We just bought a noggle - soft tube that attaches to an air vent and brings the air to the back for baby!
We added a stroller fan to our LOs car seat and it made a world of difference! He’s much happier.
I would get a stroller fan and clip it or a hose that connects from the vent into the back (Amazon). This happened a LOT with my first born in the back of my Subaru. We had no vents in the back and the Chicco keyfit which he was had the worst air flow a car seat could have it seemed like
>I don’t think I would have called 911 unless she was lethargic. Usually crying = uncomfortable but okay. I always try to remember screaming means they are breathing; everything can be fixed as long as they are breathing.
I took an EMT course in college and they always said it was the quiet ones you should worry about. Baby takes a knock to the head and screams bloody murder? Should probably get medical attention, urgent care might be sufficient. Baby has a fever and you can't wake them up? Straight to the ER, possibly call an ambulance.
This is what I need to remember!
This line of thought got me through a lot of tough nights.
A noggle and reflective car seat cover will help too. Sunshades (that don't roll up on the windows) are a must! I blast the AC on the lowest temp (59 F) even before my toddler gets in or she still ends up a sweaty mess. I need to keep it so cold I face the vents off of me.
We have vents the back but they don’t turn on automatically, the settings in our car are really stupid and we can never quite figure it out. It took us a while to realize the issue although we never had an issue with overheating but it’s good to keep in mind to make sure they blow properly back there.
I would not have called 911. They get sweaty from crying hard. If my baby was crying hard I would do what you did, stop and nurse. My second kid always cried in the car seat when she was a newborn but sometimes I had to drive her to doctors appointments and such. I tried to time it so that she was full and tired so she would fall asleep. Sometimes she would cry hard on the freeway and that sucks, but as long as shes crying she’s alive… it’s distressing to drive with a crying baby but it’s also kind of inevitable when you have a baby and have to drive a lot.
Yeah, I had a newborn who just hated car in general and he would scream and work himself up into a sweat even in the middle of winter when the car was cold. He eventually outgrew his car hatred, thank goodness!
This is very sensible, thank you!
There’s probably not strong enough air flow in the backseat. Can you blast the air and keep it lower than 70? Honestly during this time of year, I keep the car a/c at 68 or lower until the whole car is cool enough. There isn’t good airflow in our backseat either. Can you crack all the windows open during the car ride?
I definitely can do all this! I didn't realize how stuffy it could get back there :(
Also, aim all the front ac vents up to the roof. This allows the airflow to climb over the front seats and settle in the back seat. And always make sure the windows are tightly shut if the AC is on; if it's warm enough to turn on the AC, the AC will ways be colder than the outside. Source: I live in Arizona. Seriously, aim the vents to the roof. Lol Edit and if you don't have tint, they have mesh window covers you can get to help keep sunlight out of the back seat. Def worth the investment, they're super cheap on Amazon
Yeah it creates a bit of a greenhouse effect back there, where the temp just keeps increasing due to lack of airflow. If the budget allows, I heard people love the noggle which basically routes air from the front vents to the back seat
My car gets terrible air flow to the back area. I ran a dryer vent hose from the foot bed vent under the driver seat to face the kids. I can at least run cool air towards them now. It was a bit to wrangle and figure out, but it's screwed on and works. I have two rechargeable fans with clips to help circulate air and in each of their seats I have a cooling pad. When the youngest was still rear facing, I just ran the vent hose up around his seat to face him and get air directly to him.
Get a noggle! My baby also used to get worked up when too hot. It can also help to pre-cool the car, turn it on for 2-5 minutes and get the AC pumping, it makes a surprising difference.
Also to add, when they’re that young I’d say it’s better to feed before you leave than to anticipate they will wait. If the car usually helps them nap, they will refuse if hungry. I’ve had many times where I have to find a private place to park and feed because baby decided not to wait until the drive was done. You’re still doing great!
Thank you! I will try not to make that mistake again! I had never heard of a noggle, ordering myself one now.
The noggle was a lifesaver living in Nevada when my oldest was a baby! Highly recommend!
Babies tend to get hotter when they cry. So maybe she was a bit warm/uncomfortable but the crying is likely what made her so sweaty and hot.
Same. I always make sure my baby's buckets are all full before a drive - clean nappy and full tummy. Sleep can sort itself out 😂
Always going to make sure to top her off before a trip mow!
It's your baby and trust your instincts for sure, but from an outside perspective it sounds like she was very likely just hungry. For a 8 week old 2.5 hours is totally within the realm of normal for feeding intervals. My guess is she just worked herself up crying from hunger and that's why she was a bit red. I wouldn't worry about changing your car setup at all.
When I used to go places solo with my baby in the summer, I always started the car and got the AC blasting, then sat in the passenger seat and nursed her until the car cooled down. Probably 10 minutes, I'd guess. As others have mentioned, the air flow in the back probably isn't great. I actually recall riding in the back with her when my husband was driving and it would easily take 10 minutes before the back cooled off, so that was what made me decide to always nurse her for a bit before putting her in the car seat when it's hot.
Great advice, thank you!!
For my baby, they need to have a full belly before going in the car seat. My baby at 8 weeks would be hungry after 2.5 hours and would get upset on a car ride home for 30 mins if I didn’t feed first. So for me, I would feed first before that drive. I agree with others that I think baby was just hot from crying. But I always blast the air when baby is in the backseat since air doesn’t get directly onto them since they rear face
I keep my ac as low as it can go until the entire car cools down. I also have an extra stroller fan I keep in the car to blow on baby in the car seat on hot days.
No, I don't think calling 911 would've been necessary in that scenario. I always feel like saying something when I see posts about dressing baby for summer and all the people talking about layers and hats, etc but my daughter runs hot like her dad and would literally be drenched in sweat in many situations as an infant. Now she sleeps mostly in a diaper now that she's older.
She was sweaty from her crying meltdown. Babies sweat fast when they cry!! I don’t think she was in danger. I think she wanted out of the car, was hungry, pissed off - but safe.
Did her car seat feel hot to you? If not, I would suspect she was hot and sweaty from heavily crying for several minutes. That’s hard work for a baby! My baby also gets hot when he’s really worked up. I bet she was crying because she was hungry and/or just didn’t want to be away from you. I usually nurse before we get into the car - even if it’s just a little top up, it still seems to help. Crying is generally not a reason to call 911, unless she is crying at the top of her lungs for an extended period even after you’ve been trying to soothe her. And even then I would go though a lot of other options before I’d ever imagine calling 911.
I wouldn’t have called 911, you settled baby and they didn’t seem lethargic so I’m sure they’re fine. Car tips from a former Floridian- park in the shade no matter how long that makes the walk, if possible. Always use a reflective window shade as well, they really help. Open the windows to get as much hot air out as possible while the ac is cooling down (do this while/before you load baby in the car). I’m tempted by the boggle but I’ve haven’t felt the need yet, I also don’t use a fan attached to the car it can be a hazard (that’s just my preference). As others have said, set the ac lower than 70, it takes a while for the whole car to cool down. You did the right thing stopping to check, it’s always worth the delay to find a safe place to park to check on them.
That is so scary! Cars can get so hot! We have a sunshade on our back window to help block direct sun. Do you have something that? I also roll the windows down to air the car out when I first get in to help get out the trapped heat. Maybe she was overheated from the combination of clothing and warm car when it first started? Intense crying definitely doesn’t help. I would have called 911 if the baby wasn’t breastfeeding, was lethargic and difficult to rouse, or had chest retractions. I know the crying isn’t pleasant, but if they are able to breastfeed and calm down, they are likely okay. When my son was that age, he suddenly had a hard time in the car (coinciding with some gut issues he had). I never wanted to go more than 15 minutes when I was by myself during that phase. Hearing him scream like that brought out some intense anxiety and would end in both of us sobbing. Really it’s whatever you feel comfortable with, there’s not really a right or wrong answer for how long to keep the crying going because it really depends on the situation. Some babies truly hate the car and will scream because of that. But if your gut is telling you that something is wrong, I would always follow that feeling.
My son has been sent home from daycare for having a fever after working himself up by crying. She absolutely could have made herself sweat by crying hard.
I had no idea they could cry themselves into little nuclear warheads! Tough to be a baby.
Crying and screaming is always a good sign. It’s when she isn’t that is a big concern. She could have just been hungry also and not overheating at all. Babies are sweaty little beings! Give yourself a break, you did the right thing to stop and make sure baby was okay & feeding her. We were out today too and it was very hot, she was sleeping & I kept just touching her to make sure we got a reaction and she wasn’t overheated or lethargic. It’s scary not to know! Amazon has these little stroller fans , the legs are flexible to wrap around anything, maybe grab one and you can wrap it around a seat headrest or car seat bar for extra air circulation. You did everything right, glad everyone is okay
You are absolutely not crazy pants I’d be freaking out too!! I took my baby at 10 weeks alone on an hour long ride but he slept the whole time. I can usually tell the difference between his “I’m grumpy and don’t want to be in the car” cry and his other cries. So if his cry was different and more aggressive I would have done what you did and found a safe place to pull over.
My parents live over an hour away and they're annoyed I haven't brought her over. Sorry mom and dad, I'm anxious!
From one new mama to another, thank you for asking the questions. The comments have been so helpful to me.
Only other advice I want to add besides what’s here is to get one of those mirrors you attach to the headrest above the baby so you can see them while you’re driving. That way if he’s screaming you can check what he looks like and if his face is going red or blue.
Yes, your “mistake” was not feeding baby before getting in the car! Rookie error! My infant melted down any time I put her in the car for a drive if she hadn’t nursed before and I’d have to pull over and nurse her and/or change a diaper half way through trips. Many trips were interrupted half way even short 15-20 min ones because of hunger or poopy diapers. It happens, don’t be hard on yourself, just try to put baby in car seat just fed and with a just clean diaper, increases chance of getting home without screaming but even then you just never know with infants! As far as being sweaty, kids just do they when they’re worked up.
I can't see if anyone else has posted it here, but you need to feed babies more frequently when it's hot. Just like you or I will drink more water when it's hot to stay hydrated so will babies. If you normally feed every 2.5 hours then you should be offering much more frequently on hot days, even if baby only feeds for a few minutes each time rather than having a full feed.
A lot answers already. I’ll add that I actually think she may have been hungry. I have learned the hard way that babies don’t exactly like “waiting” for things lol. So if my baby usually eats every 2.5 hours and I’m about to start something - his nap, a car trip, a walk- and it’s been more than half that time (somewhere around an hour and half) I always offer food proactively.
I overheated my baby at 8w too!!!! It was cold out and the car freezing when I put him in it. He was already in fleece PJS, and I put a fleece blanket over him. He was happily sleeping away and it didn't occur to me that I'd turned the heat on in the car to warm the car up. When we got where we were going (30-45min) he was still sleeping and had turned beet red! Luckily my husband was cool headed and helped me get some damp towels to put him in and we gave him a bottle in case he was dehydrated. He perked back and his skin went bck to normal pretty quickly. so crisis was everted.
Plenty of good advice on car temps. Just want to echo the sentiment that a lot of it was probably baby overheating from the crying and fussing. Our girl does that sometimes, even in environments where she was perfectly comfy prior. Your baby is okay and you did all the right things by responding to your little one! Postpartum anxiety is a B%^&_. So I'll say it one more time for good measure - your baby is okay, you're a good mom, and you handled this well!
You've got lots of great advice here I won't repeat. One extra point: I've been in plenty of cars where the climate control is all for the driver and the back seats end up stifling. Try aiming all the vents away from yourself and dressing somewhat warmly so that your perceived level of temperature will be closer to your back seat passengers.
Where did you park? This is something I bring up in my prenatal classes (Doula, Childbrith Educator) because I live in a hot, equatorial country where parking tends to be above ground and not shaded. I’ve seen babies suffer heatstroke on 10 minute drives. Car seats are thick and tend to absorb heat; think of all that padding. This means it takes a long time for them to cool down: so if you were parked in the sun, even if the car felt like an ok temperature, and the ac was on, it could be that the seat itself got too warm and did not cool down before you put baby in it. Try to park in the shade or underground, and if you can’t, take the seat out of the car and take it with you - when it’s practical to do so.
Usually we meet indoors in a yoga studio and we all bring our car seats in for this reason. Yesterday we met at a park and I had the car seat with me but I'm sure it still was heating up. I have to admit one of the reasons I waited to feed her is because I'm nervous to BF in a very open public space (and afraid to sit in the car bc a woman just got carjacked at a nearby park) but I think this experience cured me of that, next time I'm just going to ask one of the moms to wait with me.
The car seat retains a lot of heat too so I always start the car ahead of time so it can cool down. That's if you have a remote start. My kid has always gotten insanely hot and sweaty when he is crying. He's 2.5 and still gets that way. I had a pretty rough time with ppa and feel like I would have felt the same way in your situation. You're doing great momma.
Thank yo!, I'm always going to cool down the car in summer before getting in from now on.
I had PPA and I’m glad you’re getting counseling for it soon ❤️ Some advice: I have an octopus arm fan from Amazon and I’ll hang it from the grab handle and point it towards LO. Our AC in the back sucks so I blast the cool air and that fan helps circulate the air to LO directly. I’ll also drive with the windows down for a couple of minutes just to get all the hot air out before I blast the AC. There’s also something called The Noggle that’s a tube that connect from the front to the back. I personally didn’t think it worked and I was reaching for something from the back and yanked the noggle.. it broke the little fan glide things that’s connected to the front AC
I ordered a noggle after getting these comments (I had never heard of it before.) I had no idea how crappy the circulation was in the back seat (no vents back there). It's almost time for a new car, so that will definitely be a consideration next time around!
Same here! We’re waiting for our car to give out which should be soon lol The noggle breaking my ac fan was primarily just from me not paying attention or thinking that could happen 😅😆 Also, I forgot to add but I totally understand your worry in this situation. It’s ok that you thought about calling 911, but you also caught yourself and ended up assessing the situation better and didn’t. There’s a bunch of hormones and sleep deprivation you’re dealing with too! I thought my LO also got overheated when we were waiting for curbside pickup. I was in the back seat next to him and felt like he was sweating a little and it was a little bit hot in the back.. he was also not waking up easily. I thought about calling the pediatrician or going to the ER but my husband reassured me into not doing it since LO woke up and seemed fined after I nursed him. I also quarantined for LO’s first 5 months because I was terrified of us getting sick. You’ll get over the hump of PPA, there is a light at the end of the tunnel! Now we go to a bunch of places, play with others, share toys, etc. It just took me some time to get a good grasp on when something is an emergency and when it’s not and accepting that sometimes LO will get sick or hurt but that doesn’t mean he’ll be hospitalized. My therapist taught me that if I would be really worried, I could call my pediatrician or on call nurse instead of googling or wanting to rush to the ER. Eventually after being told so many times he’s ok, I started to realize babies are a lot more resilient than we think. ❤️
Window shade and clip on fan blowing air directly on baby.
We've got window shades but no fan, looks like that's our next purchase!
Don't clip the fan on the car seat and don't have it blowing directly at the baby. Clipping it on the carseat voids the carseat warranty in case of an accident, and if it falls while driving can create injury. It works for others, until it doesn't. Just use a noggle.
I bought one of those small fans with articulated legs on Amazon for labor and it has also worked super well as a fan for baby in the car. It's the Amacool brand. I also use it as a stroller fan - highly recommend! We hang it from the handle above baby's car seat with 2 legs going on way and onr going the other, so it's very secure.
I cool my car down before putting baby in the car, and we have a stroller fan on her. I actually bought a new (to me) car because my last one didn’t have backseat vents, and I felt like my girl was overheating every time we got in the car.
I know you have had all the replies you probably needed, but I just wanted to let you know that I have done this, too. Our drive was 45 minutes long, and I didn't realize that my back vent only worked on one setting. He was crying so hard, but we were almost home, so I kept going until I realized he was hyperventilating. I pulled over (I live in the country, so the only place was a graveyard!) and did exactly what you did. Nursed him and stayed there because I felt so bad and was scared. He was fine and now we have an extra fan in the car in the summar for him. It happens. It sucks, but it happens. I hope you know how good of a mom you are 💗
My baby runs hot, so we have to be pretty careful with planning outings so we can keep her cool. What was she wearing? Even my daughter’s footie pajamas got too hot for her in November! She’s the happy weirdo baby in a spaghetti strap, no-leg bodysuit in the dead of winter. Don’t feel weird for getting worried. I’ve been there! It’s hard when they aren’t all cozy and safe in your uterus anymore.
As some have already stated I really would be surprised if the overheating made her cry. My November baby would scream in the car and be nearly dripping sweat when it was -5 out. Likely something else was bothering your babe and the crying made them sweat hard! So sorry this happened!
If the sun was on that side the car the baby could get too hot in a short time. You have probably experienced that yourself. Buy stick on sunshades for back side windows.
My car is currently in the shop to have fancy ceramic window tint installed. It’s supposed to keep it cooler! And my toddler can’t rip it off the windows, unlike her stick-on shade. Fingers crossed it helps. The Noggle is my next plan if this isn’t enough. And you are not at all crazy. Screaming is the only way they have to communicate and clearly your baby was trying to tell you something. By all means listen and do what you can to make sure she is ok. I definitely pulled over and nursed my daughter in many many random parking lots when she was younger. It gets easier, I promise. Hang in there.
It doesn't sound crazy at all!! Babies overheating is a nightmare. You already got a lot of good advice.
If you are so inclined they now sell car seats with fans in them.
First of all, you handled it well. You recognized that stopping where you were wasn’t safe, so you found a parking lot. My baby was born in August, and we had many weeks of hotter than usual fall so it was still hot when he was 2 months old. It didn’t significantly cool down until November that year. I usually made sure to run the AC on full blast for a bit before popping his car seat in, because as many pointed out, the back may just not be as well ventilated. And sometimes even opening the window when driving can help with air circulation before the AC catches up. I wouldn’t have called 911 in your case either - if baby eventually calmed down and was responsive to the comforting, then she probably just got a bit worked up from being hungry, and then hungry and hot. I regularly drove around with mine for 30+ minutes when he was young. So I don’t think the time is the issue - babies need breaks out of the car seat regularly but if you’re making 30 minute trips, I wouldn’t be too concerned. My “baby” is 21 months now - we’ve thankfully never had to make an emergency stop to check on him as we were usually able to calm him down with music or he would calm down on his own. But if it’s escalating with no improvement in 5 minutes, I’d probably intervene
Look into noggle…it’s a hose you connect to front ac to help cool back. There are also ice packs you can get for the car seat to keep it cool not days when not in use.
Look into sun blockers for the windows. They can help.
Maybe next time take the car seat inside with you so it's not baking in the son when you put her in. It sounds like your baby was uncomfortable and cried to get picked up. It worked and you got her! She's absolutely fine. Even if she was sweaty, she's fine. You're doing an amazing job!
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as a new mom, i never realized how hot car seats can get!
Something that helps me for keeping an eye on temperature in the backseat is to point the vents that are pointed at me away from me. That way I’m feeling the temperature in the car, not the temperature of the cool air coming out of the vents. Since there’s no vents in the back, trying that should help you to know when it’s too hot back there and the temp should be set lower. I wouldn’t have called 911 either, I think you acted correctly!
My baby also got sweaty in the car seat. In my country there is a brand that sells specific seat liners so there is a small airflow possible between the baby and the car seat. It is like 5mm tick and you attach it to the chair. When we use that she doesn’t get sweaty and is comfortable. Maybe there is something like that in your country?
I think you handled it really great, I would have for sure panic and call 911 that age as I had basically no idea what I was doing, I took her to the ER first week for inconsolable crying and light temperature rise which turned out to be just her passing gas 🫣 But I think you did everything right. Just, I don't know what recommendations in your country are, I live in Serbia and the recommendation here is to put baby front seat backwards facing when driving alone with baby and turn airbags off. I think that is more convenient as you can always see baby and react sooner, without parking the car.
You can buy sun seat car shade covers on Amazon. They are like what you put in your dashboard window to eliminate some heat. This goes over the carseat when you are not in the car and keeps the sun from baking the seat and it feeling so overwhelming hot when you first put your child in.
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Hot baby dies, cold baby cries. I would think that the sweat was mostly from the screaming and you did everything perfect! You can get a Noggle if you want and put a light muslin blanket over baby if you think baby was too hot You did so good. I’m sure baby was hungry a little soon. I probably let my little one cry for five minutes just because I get stressed out when they cry while I’m driving lol. Also any distance car ride!! Currently on a 12 Hour Rd. trip with two toddlers, but it is a little different because they’re not eight weeks I guess
Noggle and blanket together only. Not just the muslin without the noggle lol
I just want to tell you that you're not crazypants. This is something I worry about too and I'm a second time mom! I've read infants can't regulate their body temp well so getting too hot in a carseat is a concern. As others have said, air flow can help a lot. Get a little clip fan that you can point directly at baby on a low setting in the backseat. If possible, let your car cool down for a few minutes before loading baby in. I probably would have given baby a good chance to calm down before calling the emergency line, but I don't think you should feel bad that you called. We are the first line defenders for our babies and you made the call you felt was right at the time!
Cold packs for 5 minutes or so in carseat before putting baby in ( remove before putting baby in lol) Stroller fan clipped somewhere ( everything is a projectile, I get it...) Saved me a lot of stress...yes scream crying will heat the kid up like a hot pocket! It's awful, it gets better!
Totally understand your concern, just bought a stroller fan for my car that also has no vents in the back, it's brought great peace of mind and I plan to use it in the stroller too. My baby gets sweaty in her seat and can really work herself up crying so this was an essential for me.
I clip a stroller fan to the “oh 💩” handle in the back seat so it’s pointing at the car seat. It helps a lot while the AC gets a chance to work
She got hot and sweaty from crying. Probably just hungry. Should have fed her before you left. This is NOT an emergency situation. Like at all...
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