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It's about last year's cold wave in Texas that caused a blackout in the whole state and people blamed it entirely on wind turbines despite gas and nuclear powerplants failing too to
Which is crazy because we use wind turbines here in Michigan year round but Texas just decided not to winterixe them, normally that would be fine, but it got colder than they thought.
Yeah, the biggest reason they failed was lack of regulation. Texas is also not connected to either of the other national energy grid which causes it to be incapable of drawing or exporting extra energy
Our wind turbines weren’t really the problem. They were still running where I live. Actually, the power in Lubbock was on the whole time except for a **scheduled** 10 minute outage and that was just because we’re on a different power grid. I haven’t heard any Texans blaming the wind turbines either. The whole wind turbine being our issue was not at all the case, it had everything to do with the power grid.
To be fair, solar and wind are good but technically they do rely on the wind blowing and the sun shining. Nuclear tends to be more consistent. We’ve gotta diversify our power sources like good investors diversify their portfolio.
> I haven’t heard any Texans blaming the wind turbines either.
No *true* Texan, right?
"Our wind and our solar got shut down... and that thrust Texas into a situation where it was lacking power on a statewide basis.... It just shows that fossil fuel is necessary." -Texan Greg Abbott
"If wind and solar is where we're headed, the last 48 hours ought to give everybody a real pause" -Texan Rick Perry
"This is what happens when you force the grid to rely in part on wind as a power source" -Texan Dan Crenshaw
"Those ugly wind turbines out there are among the main reasons we are experiencing electricity blackouts," -Texan Sid Miller
> TX13x5…In your opinion, how responsible are renewable energy generators, such as wind turbines, for the recent crisis during severe winter storms in Texas?
> Very responsible 24%
> Somewhat responsible 29%
> Not too responsible 16%
> Not at all responsible 18%
> Not sure 13%
[https://climatenexus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Texas-2021-Climate-Change-Poll-Toplines.pdf](https://climatenexus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Texas-2021-Climate-Change-Poll-Toplines.pdf)
EDIT: to be fair, I want to add that that same poll shows that Texans by and large do support wind and solar (despite electing Perry and Abbott), and Texas does have a good amount of renewable energy. But this particular talking point about blaming the blackouts got a lot of traction.
Hm, that is interesting. The city I live in, Lubbock, gets a ton of power from wind turbines, I suppose the difference in my experience and the data could have to do with our city having more faith in wind turbines than the rest of Texas.
Just goes to show how anecdotes are pretty worthless in statistics. Also shows how no matter how much one person doesn't give a shit about politicians and media parrots, there are ***many*** who do.
People vote for, and continue to vote for, those people. They choose obvious, easy to spot lies and that kinda makes them at least largely complicit.
Lots of people don’t say lots of the stuff that they think. Especially not around people who would judge them for it.
It was Fox News and then Gov Abbott and other TX GOP pushing the wind turbine lies after Abbott initially admitted most of the fault was thermal plants not winterizing.
Even the frozen turbines came back online before frozen gas/coal plants, and outperformed ERCOT projections.
> Texas is also not connected to either of the other national energy grid which causes it to be incapable of drawing or exporting extra energy
That's not actually true.
They aren't considered part of the contiguous AC interconnection, but they are connected to it with DC tie lines.
Not only that, but the reason the turbines froze is because they weren’t winterized because Abbot and co. Didn’t want to spend any more than the bare minimum in prevention. There are turbines in much colder states than Texas that work year-round
Wind had problems but it still overperformed its target, at least that's what the ERCOT reports were saying. Gas shut down because dumbfucks allowed them to opt into the plan where if you shut down and stop consuming power, you get kickbacks, but that makes no sense when the power producers are the ones shutting down. The freeze turned into a huge money grab by the gas industry and they blamed wind, their competitor, for it. The whole fiasco here was awful, and people died, so they could rake in record profits.
To be fair: there is some merit to the fact that wind energy is unreliable. Natural gas plants can be switched on and off rapidly to meet every day fluctuations in demand. While wind turbines/solar energy output largely depends on the conditions of the day. Even nuclear plants are on the basically the entirety of their lifetimes besides periods of maintenance, and can’t be shut down spontaneously. And it’s not like we can just have an overflow of electricity, or we’d fuck our devices up. Plus, batteries on a large scale is *really* expensive too.
That said, the more we can close the gap, the better. So oscillator is still dumb.
Precisely. Tom Scott has a good [Video](https://youtu.be/6Jx_bJgIFhI) showing off what a water based nationwide battery looks like.
But like you said, they’re not perfect. They take some time to get electricity flowing, so natural gas turbines are still required to some degree while the batteries are kicking on.
It's true, that's why we need to try to diversify while trying to find better batteries, and why degrowth to some degree is also good, and why having a smaller amount of coal is infinitely better than demanding no coal or not trying at all.
Smaller amount of coal should rapidly lead to no coal. The only fossil fuel power plant we should keep as a relic until we have enough battery capacity and base load capability is Nat. Gas - way less emissions per kWh than coal.
The thing I really don't get about the whole argument is why we don't just *mainly* use renewables for the "free" energy and have some methane plants sitting around as a backup, in case of emergencies or issues with the renewable sources. People for some reason constantly pretend like every solution to every problem needs to be a single, all or nothing, silver bullet.
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Wind power is literally trash, though? Sun is decent. Nuclear is too spooky for the same politicians that say that they agree with you and spend billions on windmills.
Different spin on it: allowing individual transport to take over even in the form of electric cars will lead to climate disaster, so this is making fun of people who think electric cars will save us!
Basically, what I'm saying is, buy trams.
Either not possible or not efficient in a good portion of the country. Not everyone lives in tightly packed cities. Electric cars are definitely a key component if you want to lessen the impact of climate change. Of course I'm talking about America this may be different if you aren't from there.
Fixing racist zoning laws would help with this.
Population-dense walkable cities are better for the environment, and usually provide a better quality-of-life than suburbs. Of course, people should still be able to choose to live in suburbs or rural areas, but at the moment there's a lot of unsatisfied demand for accommodation in walkable cities which can't be fulfilled due to zoning limitations.
It's dumb but they do curtail turbines for icing sometimes (if they didn't invest in anti-icing measures which plenty don't)
Same way turbines sometimes get curtailed for too much wind. Or during certain seasons/times of day because of the shadows. Or when birds migrate past. Or when the grid can't handle any more power. Or any other bunch of reasons.
Which doesn't mean turbines are bad, it means we need better storage and long distance transmission to get power from where conditions are good for generation to where it's needed and when it's needed
No it’s someone who doesn’t understand how wind turbines work trying to make fun of people who support renewable energy over oil because Tucker told them oil is better and they trust him over the mountains of evidence. Wait till they head the arctic camp is run on wind or that solar is more efficient when it’s cold
This is so fucking lazy. Obligatory IANACartoonist, but how much more difficult would it be to draw a road and little squiggles implying snow? Was this cartoon made by a bot?
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What really fucking irritates me is how stupid the original is. Thats not how this works. That’s not how ANY of this works. This would be like believing there’s an oil well hooked up directly to all the gasoline pumps, sending crude oil right into your car.
Also, this has aged GREAT, seeing as how gas is like $30 a gallon now. /s
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I'm guessing the orthodontist was about climate change good renewable power bad
It's about last year's cold wave in Texas that caused a blackout in the whole state and people blamed it entirely on wind turbines despite gas and nuclear powerplants failing too to
Which is crazy because we use wind turbines here in Michigan year round but Texas just decided not to winterixe them, normally that would be fine, but it got colder than they thought.
Yeah, the biggest reason they failed was lack of regulation. Texas is also not connected to either of the other national energy grid which causes it to be incapable of drawing or exporting extra energy
Our wind turbines weren’t really the problem. They were still running where I live. Actually, the power in Lubbock was on the whole time except for a **scheduled** 10 minute outage and that was just because we’re on a different power grid. I haven’t heard any Texans blaming the wind turbines either. The whole wind turbine being our issue was not at all the case, it had everything to do with the power grid. To be fair, solar and wind are good but technically they do rely on the wind blowing and the sun shining. Nuclear tends to be more consistent. We’ve gotta diversify our power sources like good investors diversify their portfolio.
> I haven’t heard any Texans blaming the wind turbines either. No *true* Texan, right? "Our wind and our solar got shut down... and that thrust Texas into a situation where it was lacking power on a statewide basis.... It just shows that fossil fuel is necessary." -Texan Greg Abbott "If wind and solar is where we're headed, the last 48 hours ought to give everybody a real pause" -Texan Rick Perry "This is what happens when you force the grid to rely in part on wind as a power source" -Texan Dan Crenshaw "Those ugly wind turbines out there are among the main reasons we are experiencing electricity blackouts," -Texan Sid Miller
I’m talking about your *average* everyday Texan. I don’t trust politicians for squat anyways.
> TX13x5…In your opinion, how responsible are renewable energy generators, such as wind turbines, for the recent crisis during severe winter storms in Texas? > Very responsible 24% > Somewhat responsible 29% > Not too responsible 16% > Not at all responsible 18% > Not sure 13% [https://climatenexus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Texas-2021-Climate-Change-Poll-Toplines.pdf](https://climatenexus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Texas-2021-Climate-Change-Poll-Toplines.pdf) EDIT: to be fair, I want to add that that same poll shows that Texans by and large do support wind and solar (despite electing Perry and Abbott), and Texas does have a good amount of renewable energy. But this particular talking point about blaming the blackouts got a lot of traction.
Hm, that is interesting. The city I live in, Lubbock, gets a ton of power from wind turbines, I suppose the difference in my experience and the data could have to do with our city having more faith in wind turbines than the rest of Texas.
Just goes to show how anecdotes are pretty worthless in statistics. Also shows how no matter how much one person doesn't give a shit about politicians and media parrots, there are ***many*** who do.
People vote for, and continue to vote for, those people. They choose obvious, easy to spot lies and that kinda makes them at least largely complicit. Lots of people don’t say lots of the stuff that they think. Especially not around people who would judge them for it.
Especially politicians who get kickbacks from the fossil fuel industry
Ugh, especially them. Politicians suck.
It was Fox News and then Gov Abbott and other TX GOP pushing the wind turbine lies after Abbott initially admitted most of the fault was thermal plants not winterizing. Even the frozen turbines came back online before frozen gas/coal plants, and outperformed ERCOT projections.
> Texas is also not connected to either of the other national energy grid which causes it to be incapable of drawing or exporting extra energy That's not actually true. They aren't considered part of the contiguous AC interconnection, but they are connected to it with DC tie lines.
Woman moment lmao 🤣
Not winterizing all of their systems is what fucked it all up.
100%, they either should winterize their systems or have a contingency plan. If they had one it sure as fuck didnt work.
Plan was to detach from other grids so as to not be bailed out easy.
Oh and Ted Cruz was being a fuccboi
Not only that, but the reason the turbines froze is because they weren’t winterized because Abbot and co. Didn’t want to spend any more than the bare minimum in prevention. There are turbines in much colder states than Texas that work year-round
Wasn't it ONLY the coal and nuclear failing? Didn't wind retain like 90% efficiency durring that time and it was 2 frozen ones circulating online?
Wind had problems but it still overperformed its target, at least that's what the ERCOT reports were saying. Gas shut down because dumbfucks allowed them to opt into the plan where if you shut down and stop consuming power, you get kickbacks, but that makes no sense when the power producers are the ones shutting down. The freeze turned into a huge money grab by the gas industry and they blamed wind, their competitor, for it. The whole fiasco here was awful, and people died, so they could rake in record profits.
To be fair: there is some merit to the fact that wind energy is unreliable. Natural gas plants can be switched on and off rapidly to meet every day fluctuations in demand. While wind turbines/solar energy output largely depends on the conditions of the day. Even nuclear plants are on the basically the entirety of their lifetimes besides periods of maintenance, and can’t be shut down spontaneously. And it’s not like we can just have an overflow of electricity, or we’d fuck our devices up. Plus, batteries on a large scale is *really* expensive too. That said, the more we can close the gap, the better. So oscillator is still dumb.
That's what batteries are for. Including some non-standard ones, such as pumping water up. Not perfect, but better
Precisely. Tom Scott has a good [Video](https://youtu.be/6Jx_bJgIFhI) showing off what a water based nationwide battery looks like. But like you said, they’re not perfect. They take some time to get electricity flowing, so natural gas turbines are still required to some degree while the batteries are kicking on.
I somehow missed last sentence of your first paragraph in original comment lol
It's true, that's why we need to try to diversify while trying to find better batteries, and why degrowth to some degree is also good, and why having a smaller amount of coal is infinitely better than demanding no coal or not trying at all.
Smaller amount of coal should rapidly lead to no coal. The only fossil fuel power plant we should keep as a relic until we have enough battery capacity and base load capability is Nat. Gas - way less emissions per kWh than coal.
Also geothermal and hydroelectric plants
The thing I really don't get about the whole argument is why we don't just *mainly* use renewables for the "free" energy and have some methane plants sitting around as a backup, in case of emergencies or issues with the renewable sources. People for some reason constantly pretend like every solution to every problem needs to be a single, all or nothing, silver bullet.
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It's such a stupid argument. We have wind turbines here in the Canadian Prairies, and it gets cold as fuck here in the winter. They work just fine.
Yes, the classic forgetting batteries exist.
Orthodontist?
It's kind of a tradition to replace "original" with some other word beginning with or. Idk why.
Ornithologist
Wind power is literally trash, though? Sun is decent. Nuclear is too spooky for the same politicians that say that they agree with you and spend billions on windmills.
Obsolete?
https://www.reddit.com/r/boomershumor/comments/v65zxp/my_grandma_sent_me_this_one_i_think_i_get_it_but/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Ugh it's even dumber than I expected
To be fair, it's as dumb as I expected. But I'm also used to these idiots.
Different spin on it: allowing individual transport to take over even in the form of electric cars will lead to climate disaster, so this is making fun of people who think electric cars will save us! Basically, what I'm saying is, buy trams.
Either not possible or not efficient in a good portion of the country. Not everyone lives in tightly packed cities. Electric cars are definitely a key component if you want to lessen the impact of climate change. Of course I'm talking about America this may be different if you aren't from there.
Fixing racist zoning laws would help with this. Population-dense walkable cities are better for the environment, and usually provide a better quality-of-life than suburbs. Of course, people should still be able to choose to live in suburbs or rural areas, but at the moment there's a lot of unsatisfied demand for accommodation in walkable cities which can't be fulfilled due to zoning limitations.
What advantage does this motorcar offer over, say, a train? Which I could also afford.
Bloody tramsphobes.
It's dumb but they do curtail turbines for icing sometimes (if they didn't invest in anti-icing measures which plenty don't) Same way turbines sometimes get curtailed for too much wind. Or during certain seasons/times of day because of the shadows. Or when birds migrate past. Or when the grid can't handle any more power. Or any other bunch of reasons. Which doesn't mean turbines are bad, it means we need better storage and long distance transmission to get power from where conditions are good for generation to where it's needed and when it's needed
Is this... Pro global warming? Like, acknowledging it exists and saying stopping it is bad and will cause the world to freeze?
No it’s someone who doesn’t understand how wind turbines work trying to make fun of people who support renewable energy over oil because Tucker told them oil is better and they trust him over the mountains of evidence. Wait till they head the arctic camp is run on wind or that solar is more efficient when it’s cold
No, This Is Patrick!
That sub has some of the dumbest people on reddit.
why did they even draw a background line arent they supposed to be outside. outside doesnt have lines.
He’s on the roof
With his car?
Precisely
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That's the skybox, duh
Wait they're not supposed to? Where are you guys even from
Boomers have clearly never tried to start a diesel generator in the cold ever
Oh ok?
This is so fucking lazy. Obligatory IANACartoonist, but how much more difficult would it be to draw a road and little squiggles implying snow? Was this cartoon made by a bot?
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Isn't the party room fun =)
All except the shadow of a scary monster!
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Conservatives staying science illiterate I see
What really fucking irritates me is how stupid the original is. Thats not how this works. That’s not how ANY of this works. This would be like believing there’s an oil well hooked up directly to all the gasoline pumps, sending crude oil right into your car. Also, this has aged GREAT, seeing as how gas is like $30 a gallon now. /s
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