> “We need our politicians, at least somebody there to show some leadership and not put their head in the sand as they are today and say, ‘Well, see, RCMP has (the) responsibility and we’ll continue as we have always.'”
This right here. He knows what the problem is.
- Pawn off to the RCMP
- Claim Cabinet confidence over any evidence
- Say you can't comment on a matter under investigation
It's worked for them before, they're hoping it'll work again.
Edit to respond to this too:
> LeBlanc, along with NSICOP chair David McGuinty, said they can’t make the names public because they’re bound by Canada’s official secrets law, the Security of Information Act, and risk prosecution.
Geez, if only you knew a group of people with the power to make or amend laws? Did LeBlanc forget that he's in charge?
CSIS and RCMP both know who these traitors are.
There is absolutely nothing stopping them from holding a press conference to name names.
They do not owe the government deference before they disclose traitorous MPs.
So why are they choosing to say nothing? Because they don't want to upset their political friends.
The RCMP seem to be saying that the government won't release any of the evidence on the matter to them on the basis of cabinet confidentiality and national security (which the police know to be a self-serving maneuver). And without any of the documents and correspondences, they can't make a solid case. But...
The RCMP open investigations which are dropped before coming to trial - or even the pressing of charges - *all of the time*. There is no requirement that investigations can only begin if they are guaranteed to end in convictions.
So why don't the RCMP simply begin investigating? If detectives were knocking on certain office doors in parliament, it would become clear - and known - pretty quickly just which doors they were. The traitors would be exposed without the police needing to utter a single name and they could declare the case dead in the water next week, if they needed to.
The veil would be lifted, the country's integrity restored, the voters would know who was lying, and nobody could sue for being asked a few brief questions in the privacy of their office by a couple of uniformed officers.
The fact that the RCMP refuse to take this small but very pragmatic step toward righting such a scandalous wrong seems to suggest they don't care about Canada as much as they do their solidarity with Ottawa.
The notion that you can just blow off the RCMP by saying "nah, this is cabinet confidentiality" doesn't pass muster.
This is the sort of thing that should be challenged in court by the RCMP, and decided upon by a judge. Instead the RCMP chooses to just accept it. Welp, they said the magic words "cabinet confidentiality", so I guess that settles it.
If Trump or Biden were to have told the FBI, "nah you can't come to my house to search for classified info I have lying around because I have presidential privilege", they'd laugh in his face.
No judge would defer to presidential discretion over FBI investigations - even though technically they have that too when the president discusses stuff with his cabinet.
India assassinated someone on Canadian soil.
[Saskatchewan Premier (and drunk driver) Scott Moe trying to drum up business there](https://regina.ctvnews.ca/sask-premier-back-in-india-for-trade-mission-1.6775960) regardless.
I’m willing to bet that’s the nature of the “treason”.
Money over country.
And then this came out:
[Canada’s Conservative leader seeks to expand trade with India, focusing on natural gas, uranium, and lentils](https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/canadas-conservative-leader-seeks-to-expand-trade-with-india-focusing-on-natural-gas-uranium-and-lentils-101717341754946.html)
>In October last year, in an interview with the Nepalese media outlet Namaste Radio Toronto, Poilievre said, “We need a professional relationship with the Indian Government. India is the largest democracy on earth. It’s fine to have our disagreements and hold each other accountable but we have to have a professional relationship and that is what I will restore when I’m Prime Minister of this country.”
How is Pierre going to have a “professional” relationship with India after that they did?
Modi *is* losing power even if he's still the big guy in charge of india, also the guy that got shot was a international terrorist that should never have gotten in to begin with, Justin was harbering him for Jag (he's likely a Khalistan supporter in hiding) and India basically did what America did to Osama.
Just wanted to clarify, the media is being disingenuous to paint him as an innocent person who's done nothing wrong, the guy was suspected in being apart from a few bombings.
Other countries have no right to assassinate *anyone* in our soil.
Even if he was a terrorist, other countries don’t have the right to conduct assassinations within our borders.
And since the allegations came from India I have doubts since India likes to blame lots of things on Sikhs.
We are a weak ass fuck country if we let this slide because India will buy our lentils and LNG.
When did i say they had the right to do so? I'm just pointing out the double standard (one the Indians will likely use if they ever get called on their bullshiz).
as for the terrorist claim, MI6 and Interpol were the 2 other agencies that were interested in him, so its not purely a India vendetta.
Also, you don't know what your talking about since publicly the regular Sikh in India have long since ditch them wanting nothing to do with them thanks to their violent past and them not wanting to give up the idea of a holy land in India, something the gov really doesn't like the idea of and started this whole mess.
also don't think i didn't recognize you, you seem to have trouble being nonpartisan, you should work on that.
>*A former RCMP superintendent says the Liberal government is passing the buck by insisting it’s up to Canada’s national police force to decide what to do about parliamentarians accused of helping foreign states.*
>
>*“This, in my view, is total deflection,” Garry Clement told Mercedes Stephenson in an interview with The West Block. “The laws are not there right now.”*
>
>*Last Monday, a report from the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP) alleged that sitting federal politicians are “witting” participants in foreign interference schemes.*
>
>*The committee did not name names, and the Liberal government is resisting calls to release their identities, citing concerns about sharing sensitive intelligence information.*
>
>*...*
>
>*Clement, who spent 30 years with the RCMP, says the legislation is not in place to bring ‘witting’ collaborators to justice.*
>
>*“We need our politicians, at least somebody there to show some leadership and not put their head in the sand as they are today and say, ‘Well, see, RCMP has (the) responsibility and we’ll continue as we have always.'”*
>
>*The NSICOP report drew a similar conclusion about the difficulty of prosecuting parliamentarians suspected of colluding with foreign states.*
>
>*“Some (of the activities) may be illegal, but are unlikely to lead to criminal charges, owing to Canada’s failure to address the long-standing issue of protecting classified information and methods in judicial processes.”*
>
>*A former RCMP superintendent says the Liberal government is passing the buck by insisting it’s up to Canada’s national police force to decide what to do about parliamentarians accused of helping foreign states.*
Another "rooting out corruption in our own party and government is not our primary responsibility" deflection moment from the Liberal government.
Sorry, but they're kinda right here.
The RCMP is the police force, and it's their job to enforce the law.
Have the guts to publicly name names an charge people instead of refusing to do so because their budget might be at risk.
That said, it should also be illegal for the PM (or any political body) to tell the RCMP to stop investigations, or impede investigations by refusing to hand over documents, evidence etc. as the PM has done.
"Deflections" should absolutely count as treason for aiding an abetting, just like if you covered up for a serial killer.
Trudeau and his cronies will walk free again for the highest crime possible. It's so over for Canada. Even the US managed to get trump.
The fact is that NY state court is very unlikely to overturn the verdict.
Since it's a state-level prosecution, it has to first go through state courts before he can appeal to the federal US Supreme Court.
So for all practical purposes, they do have him. Doesn't mean he's going to jail, but he's a felon on record.
I have to ask: What in the hell is C-70 supposed to improve? Are we supposed to believe that crooked politicians will report that they are working on behalf of hostile nations? This is nothing but posturing.
>University of Ottawa national security professor Thomas Juneau also stressed the need for transparency but said releasing names is “complicated.”
>“The lack of transparency here is casting a shadow on the system as a whole,” he said. “That being said, there are privacy issues, there are classification issues, there are ongoing investigations.”
Probably a better take on the situation.
Still that’s awful that our laws most likely
aren’t sufficient to prosecute most of what’s going on.
They need to be amended ASAP.
And release the names of anyone who can’t be charged I suppose if nothing else can happen.
I’m hoping at least some of them can be charged.
By the current state of affairs in this country I want to say it's all parties. Everyone that's working on the feds side is wealthy and paid.
They all sold us out.
>University of Ottawa national security professor Thomas Juneau also stressed the need for transparency but said releasing names is “complicated.”
>“The lack of transparency here is casting a shadow on the system as a whole,” he said. “**That being said, there are privacy issues, there are classification issues, there are ongoing investigations**.”
This kind of seems like the headline they should be running with
Our politicians are bought and paid for.
Our country is bought and paid for.
This is where we need independent journalism to shine a light on these reports ... Oh wait, not happening... Thanks CRTC!
> “We need our politicians, at least somebody there to show some leadership and not put their head in the sand as they are today and say, ‘Well, see, RCMP has (the) responsibility and we’ll continue as we have always.'” This right here. He knows what the problem is. - Pawn off to the RCMP - Claim Cabinet confidence over any evidence - Say you can't comment on a matter under investigation It's worked for them before, they're hoping it'll work again. Edit to respond to this too: > LeBlanc, along with NSICOP chair David McGuinty, said they can’t make the names public because they’re bound by Canada’s official secrets law, the Security of Information Act, and risk prosecution. Geez, if only you knew a group of people with the power to make or amend laws? Did LeBlanc forget that he's in charge?
CSIS and RCMP both know who these traitors are. There is absolutely nothing stopping them from holding a press conference to name names. They do not owe the government deference before they disclose traitorous MPs. So why are they choosing to say nothing? Because they don't want to upset their political friends.
The RCMP seem to be saying that the government won't release any of the evidence on the matter to them on the basis of cabinet confidentiality and national security (which the police know to be a self-serving maneuver). And without any of the documents and correspondences, they can't make a solid case. But... The RCMP open investigations which are dropped before coming to trial - or even the pressing of charges - *all of the time*. There is no requirement that investigations can only begin if they are guaranteed to end in convictions. So why don't the RCMP simply begin investigating? If detectives were knocking on certain office doors in parliament, it would become clear - and known - pretty quickly just which doors they were. The traitors would be exposed without the police needing to utter a single name and they could declare the case dead in the water next week, if they needed to. The veil would be lifted, the country's integrity restored, the voters would know who was lying, and nobody could sue for being asked a few brief questions in the privacy of their office by a couple of uniformed officers. The fact that the RCMP refuse to take this small but very pragmatic step toward righting such a scandalous wrong seems to suggest they don't care about Canada as much as they do their solidarity with Ottawa.
The notion that you can just blow off the RCMP by saying "nah, this is cabinet confidentiality" doesn't pass muster. This is the sort of thing that should be challenged in court by the RCMP, and decided upon by a judge. Instead the RCMP chooses to just accept it. Welp, they said the magic words "cabinet confidentiality", so I guess that settles it. If Trump or Biden were to have told the FBI, "nah you can't come to my house to search for classified info I have lying around because I have presidential privilege", they'd laugh in his face. No judge would defer to presidential discretion over FBI investigations - even though technically they have that too when the president discusses stuff with his cabinet.
The ex-RCMP superintended didn’t mince words. I like it. Shame on you Justin Trudeau. Great work Global. Keep it up.
shame doesn't cut it.
India assassinated someone on Canadian soil. [Saskatchewan Premier (and drunk driver) Scott Moe trying to drum up business there](https://regina.ctvnews.ca/sask-premier-back-in-india-for-trade-mission-1.6775960) regardless. I’m willing to bet that’s the nature of the “treason”. Money over country. And then this came out: [Canada’s Conservative leader seeks to expand trade with India, focusing on natural gas, uranium, and lentils](https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/canadas-conservative-leader-seeks-to-expand-trade-with-india-focusing-on-natural-gas-uranium-and-lentils-101717341754946.html) >In October last year, in an interview with the Nepalese media outlet Namaste Radio Toronto, Poilievre said, “We need a professional relationship with the Indian Government. India is the largest democracy on earth. It’s fine to have our disagreements and hold each other accountable but we have to have a professional relationship and that is what I will restore when I’m Prime Minister of this country.” How is Pierre going to have a “professional” relationship with India after that they did?
Modi *is* losing power even if he's still the big guy in charge of india, also the guy that got shot was a international terrorist that should never have gotten in to begin with, Justin was harbering him for Jag (he's likely a Khalistan supporter in hiding) and India basically did what America did to Osama. Just wanted to clarify, the media is being disingenuous to paint him as an innocent person who's done nothing wrong, the guy was suspected in being apart from a few bombings.
Other countries have no right to assassinate *anyone* in our soil. Even if he was a terrorist, other countries don’t have the right to conduct assassinations within our borders. And since the allegations came from India I have doubts since India likes to blame lots of things on Sikhs. We are a weak ass fuck country if we let this slide because India will buy our lentils and LNG.
When did i say they had the right to do so? I'm just pointing out the double standard (one the Indians will likely use if they ever get called on their bullshiz). as for the terrorist claim, MI6 and Interpol were the 2 other agencies that were interested in him, so its not purely a India vendetta. Also, you don't know what your talking about since publicly the regular Sikh in India have long since ditch them wanting nothing to do with them thanks to their violent past and them not wanting to give up the idea of a holy land in India, something the gov really doesn't like the idea of and started this whole mess. also don't think i didn't recognize you, you seem to have trouble being nonpartisan, you should work on that.
That’s Justin’s MO. Deflect and obfuscate.
That’s the first thing you learn as a politician. How to deflect questions and blame.
Justin’s only real talent.
“My reaction to the Liberals is, shame on you for not (releasing the names) as politicians, shame on you, prime minister.” 👏🏻👏🏻
There is one central theme to every single scandal and travail of the Liberal Party of Canada: a complete and utter lack of leadership.
it's not incompetence, its malice. They've proven it by willingly withholding info about
>*A former RCMP superintendent says the Liberal government is passing the buck by insisting it’s up to Canada’s national police force to decide what to do about parliamentarians accused of helping foreign states.* > >*“This, in my view, is total deflection,” Garry Clement told Mercedes Stephenson in an interview with The West Block. “The laws are not there right now.”* > >*Last Monday, a report from the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP) alleged that sitting federal politicians are “witting” participants in foreign interference schemes.* > >*The committee did not name names, and the Liberal government is resisting calls to release their identities, citing concerns about sharing sensitive intelligence information.* > >*...* > >*Clement, who spent 30 years with the RCMP, says the legislation is not in place to bring ‘witting’ collaborators to justice.* > >*“We need our politicians, at least somebody there to show some leadership and not put their head in the sand as they are today and say, ‘Well, see, RCMP has (the) responsibility and we’ll continue as we have always.'”* > >*The NSICOP report drew a similar conclusion about the difficulty of prosecuting parliamentarians suspected of colluding with foreign states.* > >*“Some (of the activities) may be illegal, but are unlikely to lead to criminal charges, owing to Canada’s failure to address the long-standing issue of protecting classified information and methods in judicial processes.”* >
>*A former RCMP superintendent says the Liberal government is passing the buck by insisting it’s up to Canada’s national police force to decide what to do about parliamentarians accused of helping foreign states.* Another "rooting out corruption in our own party and government is not our primary responsibility" deflection moment from the Liberal government.
Sorry, but they're kinda right here. The RCMP is the police force, and it's their job to enforce the law. Have the guts to publicly name names an charge people instead of refusing to do so because their budget might be at risk. That said, it should also be illegal for the PM (or any political body) to tell the RCMP to stop investigations, or impede investigations by refusing to hand over documents, evidence etc. as the PM has done.
"Deflections" should absolutely count as treason for aiding an abetting, just like if you covered up for a serial killer. Trudeau and his cronies will walk free again for the highest crime possible. It's so over for Canada. Even the US managed to get trump.
Would be nice if some got jail time instead of their pensions come next election...
They haven't got Trump yet, unforunately. At least not for the really seditious shit.
The fact is that NY state court is very unlikely to overturn the verdict. Since it's a state-level prosecution, it has to first go through state courts before he can appeal to the federal US Supreme Court. So for all practical purposes, they do have him. Doesn't mean he's going to jail, but he's a felon on record.
Country before party
So get them on literally anything fucking else isn’t that how it’s always done? This country is so fucking pathetic lmaoooo
I have to ask: What in the hell is C-70 supposed to improve? Are we supposed to believe that crooked politicians will report that they are working on behalf of hostile nations? This is nothing but posturing.
>University of Ottawa national security professor Thomas Juneau also stressed the need for transparency but said releasing names is “complicated.” >“The lack of transparency here is casting a shadow on the system as a whole,” he said. “That being said, there are privacy issues, there are classification issues, there are ongoing investigations.” Probably a better take on the situation. Still that’s awful that our laws most likely aren’t sufficient to prosecute most of what’s going on. They need to be amended ASAP. And release the names of anyone who can’t be charged I suppose if nothing else can happen. I’m hoping at least some of them can be charged.
Is this an LPC thing, or does this involve all/other parties as well?
By the current state of affairs in this country I want to say it's all parties. Everyone that's working on the feds side is wealthy and paid. They all sold us out.
I suspected as much, as well.
>University of Ottawa national security professor Thomas Juneau also stressed the need for transparency but said releasing names is “complicated.” >“The lack of transparency here is casting a shadow on the system as a whole,” he said. “**That being said, there are privacy issues, there are classification issues, there are ongoing investigations**.” This kind of seems like the headline they should be running with
People fucking hate nuance, though.