Condensed:
* Ipsos polling done exclusively for Global News shows 68% of Canadians want Trudeau to step down. The desire for him to call it quits is highest in Alberta (79%) and Atlantic Canada (76%).
* “This is as bad as we’ve seen it for Trudeau. It’s close to rock bottom,” said Ipsos CEO Darrell Bricker.
* Ipsos surveyed Canadians between June 12 and 14 and found that if an election were held tomorrow, the Conservatives would enjoy a “comfortable victory” with 42% of the decided vote. The Liberals would receive 24%, with the NDP at 18%.
* According to the polling, after eight years in power Trudeau may be “dragging the success of his party down with him.”
* The reverse appears to be true for Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who “has grown his lead even ahead of his own party,” says Ipsos: 44% say he would make the best prime minister.
* The poll also shows 75% of Canadians want another party to take over, while just 25% think the Liberals “deserve reelection.”
* “What’s worse is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.”
I just came back from a trip there.
Holy fuck I didn't think it was possible to make a Newfie angry.
Drove through PEI, NB and NS too. All the same. I knew support was bad but they want this guy torched to ashes
The open door immigration policy has hit the maritimes the hardest. Some of the lowest wages and highest taxes is seeing massive amounts of international “students” flocking there for work to try to scam PR status as easily as possible. Look at what the “students” did in PEI, for example. Flat out telling the local government they will not be going to school or leaving Tim Horton’s to work in the sectors where migrant workers are desperately needed then threatened the government with mass violence of a hunger strike because they want PR status and made it clear that they will not be doing anything to contribute to Canada now or even when they get their papers. What did the Trudeau government to assist with this blatant violation and abuse of temporary visas? Invited more people from the same region, with the same entitlement to PR status.
Because of the flood of temporary visa holders and no increase in infrastructure to support it the numbers, the average price of a one bedroom rental in Halifax skyrocketed to $2000/mth. Keep in mind its $2200/mth in some areas of Metro Vancouver. And all of the minimum wage jobs have been given to “students” willing to work for a fraction of minimum wage in exchange for the employer signing off on their work hours for their PR status.
All of that strife just to survive day to day and then Trudeau adds on to it but introducing a completely unnecessary tax to an already struggling region of Canada.
I'm in a small town in Nova Scotia right now and the only people working in franchise restaurants are Indians. It's pretty crazy. It's not like that at all where I'm from.
It's like that in every province now. The only people getting customer service and retail jobs are Indian nationals. Teenagers and low skilled workers are out of luck for jobs. It's spreading into multiple other fields too.
Same, considering the Liberals won every seat in Atlantic Canada back in 2015. However, Atlantic Canada has always been a more socially conservative place than central Canada. They had a falling out with Harper because of his EI reforms targeting seasonal workers, but I suspect that's low on the list of issues for them now.
I disagree that it would be great for small provinces. As it stands, every vote in PEI is worth at least 4 times more than a vote in more populous provinces like Ontario, Alberta, etc. In fact, the average riding in Atlantic Canada has significantly fewer people than the rest of Canada outside of the territories. If we'd moved to proportional representation, that advantage would have been lost. Not to mention Atlantic provinces are very overweighted in the Senate as well, although not that it really matters there, as they're mostly PMJT lackeys despite the whole supposed non-partisan label.
Atlantic canada is conservative, in that they don't like change, but is generally not ideological conservatives, because Atlantic Canada is also the biggest recipient of government largess in the country. Harper wanted to change Seasonal EI because as it exists, it effectively turns the EI program into a *massive* wage subsidy for seasonal workers in the maritimes. If you've ever wondered exactly what the EI line item on your T4 is actually covering, about 75% of it is going to subsidize seasonal fishery workers in the maritimes.
Your regular reminder that without Federal cash injections (largely funded by Alberta and Ontario), the maritimes would have an economy roughly on par with Kazakhstan or Malaysia, and would not quality as a developed country if they were independent.
Interestingly, Atlantic Canada had a thriving economy prior to Confederation, however Canada's first few prime minister's were protectionist in order to develop industry in Ontario and Quebec. One wonders if Atlantic Canada would be more like the American eastern seaboard if it wasn't for the massive transfer of wealth from the Maritimes to Ontario in the 1800's.
The aggressive mediocrity and waste of the Canadian government runs deep. The entire country could have and should be a thriving economic superpower but instead we have a few Laurentien oligarchs and too many of us can’t even afford to move out. Doubt anything will ever improve
Definitely. Since the late 60's the federal government has been increasingly infringing on provincial responsibilities, punishing success, and rewarding mediocrity.
Atlantic Canada is not socially conservative. That is a misnomer. PEI had both the first non-white and first openly gay premier in Canada I believe. I can tell you that nobody there even batted an eye there. Atlantic Canada is more of a "leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone" vs the Alberta "Leave me alone and listen to what I think of you".
There has been no historical support for the PCs or Reform in Atlantic Canada. It is generally a Liberal stronghold.
No, Ontario had the first openly gay premier with Kathleen Wynne. And I'm not sure who PEI elected as a premier of colour, but I know other provinces have. For example, Ujall Dosanjj as BC premier a couple decades ago. Not to mention the indigenous premiers that have served as premier in the territories and historical Manitoba.
Having lived in Alberta as well as BC and Ontario, the attitude there is also "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone". Despite the stories the media pumps about social conservatives in Alberta, frankly, nobody really cares.
There's been lots of historical PC support in Atlantic Canada. I have no idea where you got that idea from.
Uh no, Atlantic Canada (at least NS) outside of Halifax is typically socially conservative and the Liberals they voted for were social conservative. Like Cuzner and Eyking.
You don't know what you are talking about. Atlantic provinces have had the highest religious service attendance on a weekly basis since the 40's. It is by far the most social conservative place in the country.
I’m not. NS, NB, and PEI all have provincial conservative governments. The cost of living is here is really being felt as many people had low wages before inflation went nuts. The federal Liberals doubled down on reckless mass immigration which has housing costs skyrocketing here(and everywhere else).
I'm not, but I observe old school PC sympathy here, not the ersatz US republicanism that is publicly observed in western conservatism and parts of Ontario - a little exists everywhere but on the margins.
Polievre's future rests in the size of the tent he builds, and McKay conservatism is more of a winner than discount Harper politics as here.
Everyone hates Trudeau, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him if they think he's the best of a bunch of sketchy options. PP campaign should just be ... I'm still better than Trudeau.
Statistically? Mostly middle class women over the age of 55. It's a demographic you don't see much of on Reddit.
It's about the only demographic in which Trudeau and the Liberals still has extensive support. As a group they have largely been insulated from the housing and cost of living crises afflicting the rest of the country and they are highly supportive of Trudeau's social policies and vision for the country.
The 32% of the population who just arrived in the past 10 years thanks to Trudeaus policies. The ones who are renting their detached home in Brampton purchased through a 3rd tier mortgage lender to 12 different tenants who are international students attending 3rd tier schools above convenience stores.
Everyone _is_ affected though because it is fucking up other parts of our lives/is simply a symptom of issues with how badly managed our country is.
I own my home outright after literal decades of work and saving. Do I consider myself “unaffected"? Hell no. I am pretty pissed off that my children can do all the right things - get educated, work and save and still be priced out of housing. This has been generations in the making. My grandfather was paid properly for his work and easily owned a home with a stay at home wife. My parents less so, they both worked and had fuck all left over.
This shit show has been crafted over the course of many Liberal and Conservative governments. You want change?
Re-elect no one.
Pick a 3rd party and make your vote your message. Send the corporate representatives that have been ‘fine tuning’ our economy for decades home.
Wealthy homeowners that want to keep the RE party going.
54 year old women who haven't paid rent in 26 years and have no idea how fucked up the country is.
Even most home owners do not want the value of their house to be in the millions unless you own multiple homes. People with children know their kids will never be able to afford a house with these prices.
My parents literally never understand until they experience it themselves. Once my mom tried to return to the workforce, she complained about having to jump through hoops to get jobs and HOW LOW the pay rate was. And how they didn't just let her have any day off that she wanted.
She had no idea about rent prices until my sister moved out and they were searching for apartments.
I don't know how to fix that.
While that's true of the wiser ones, most people honestly don't think that far ahead.
It's not surprising that you see vast differences in support from demographics directly impacted by a cost of living crisis, and from demographics that are not.
I am a wealthy homeowner. I’ve never hated a politician in my life. If I saw trudeau in person, it would take every ounce of personal strength not to destroy him.
That is oddly specific, but my partner is that exact demographic and while she is not a supporter of any particular party, she knows how bad things are and that something has to change, so JT has even lost that demographic.
Browsing through this subreddit, I'm guessing the vast majority of Redditors.
FWIW, IMHO, all the swing votes to PP are only there to make sure JT isn't.
JT is doing more for the Conservatives than they could possibly do on their own.
It’s people who don’t want conservatives in and probably can’t separate Trudeau out with conservatives in. I’m left (I vote strategically as I don’t feel any party quite scratches my itch at this time) but I can’t stand Trudeau, I think many Libs are just scrambling for a strong new liberal leader to put their faith in, Trudeau was a disgusting mess from the beginning
The issue for me (as a former/undecided liberal) runs much deeper than Trudeau. Freeland is a dumpster fire, and so many of the MP's have simply trotted along and supported every destructive policy. I can't see voting for the party even with someone like Mark Carney in, there's just been so much damage done and so little regard for Canadians' needs at every level
You think the ones being forced back into the office needlessly, just to prop up downtown businesses that failed to adapt to a changing work model, are Trudeau supporters?
This government is openly hostile toward its workers. Trust me, Liberal support in the PS is at rock-bottom.
The Liberals want the government workers back in the office. The Conservatives want them to not be government workers anymore.
As a conservative who thinks the public service is far too big, I can understand why a public sector worker would vote Liberal out of self-preservation.
>“What’s worse is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.”
Everything they've tried has made things objectively worse in the past year, not to mention all the secrets and hypocrisy
> “What’s worse is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.”
They have not. They have raised immigration to ludicrous levels during a housing crisis. They have told every generation younger than the Baby Boomers that they do not care about them, and now they are surprised that they are unelectable. The fact that people are willing to risk the opposition, which is also the worst it has ever been, is telling.
Now. It didn't used to be this way. It's a terrible way to manage a machine as big as a country. Let the specialists in a field make policy decisions on their field. PMO should be the go-between different offices, not the director of all thought and policy.
Such is the election cycle in Canada.
In a decade the Conservatives will be in the same position as the Liberals are now.
We don't vote people in, we vote them out.
I look for the day PP and the CPC start catching the same flak JT and the LPC are taking right now.
PP and the CPC isn't going to change much. It's just changing who gets to manage the status quo, giving us just enough crumbs of change to think something meaningful is being done. Rinse and repeat with the next change of government.
We need new grassroot parties in Canada. Maybe the NDP can finally step up if they get rid of Jagmeet and his loyalists, otherwise it will need to be brand new movements and parties.
This is basically impossible given the total lack of political involvement and general apathy most Canadians have for politics. All we do is complain, vote, and then complain about the outcome of the vote. This isn't going to change things, and only allows things to continue getting worse, hence the vicious cycle of complaining, and doing fuck all about the further enshitification of our society.
It will be interesting to see the provincial conservatives play with the federal conservatives.
Right now a lot of problem are being pinned onto trudeau, but problems like inflation and housing wouldnt just go away.
Yep. Far too many people are blaming Trudeau for policies that happen at the provincial and even municipal level. There's still plent of criticism that's valid for the LPC under JT, but the disconnect many people have between the different levels of government is concerning.
PP and Ford would be an interesting dynamic to see play out for sure, same with Smith.
I mean, it's how Canadian politics works. The two main parties get about 8 to 12 years, then get swapped.
This should be a signal to the parties to be more centralist, but they wind up taking it as a sign to be more polarized and do as much damage as they can before they get booted.
Which leads them to getting booted.
I mean, look at Ontario Liberals. 2 elections later and they still don’t have official party status. Funny enough, the same people behind the scenes that sunk the OLP are the same people behind the scenes of the LPC.
I mean, prior to Ford the conservatives were locked out for just as long. We always tend to have long reigns until everyone is sick of Party X and vote them out for a decade and let Party Y have a go.
The exact same thing happened with Harper on the federal level, and is almost certainly going to happen to Trudeau.
Also, Ontario has a voter turnout rate of like 40%. We are just really, really bad at actually voting for anything.
They only need to not be significantly worse than the previous 10 years and they should be golden. Maybe they can go longer if they actually swap leaders if/when Poilievre starts seeing polls that the majority of Canadians want him specifically out.
Doug Ford can, and does, blame Trudeau for everything still. If Poilievre is PM, he can't exactly do the same. And then he'll have all the premiers after him as well.
We’re nine years in and I still see Harper blamed for things almost every day. The difference being, Trudeau really has fucked things up so severely it’s going to take years, even decades to fix, so blaming him well into the future will be fair and accurate.
Considering Liberals are still blaming Harper 9 years later, and how angry the country is at Trudeau, I figure he can pull off at least 5 years of blaming Trudeau.
What's uniquely bad about Trudeau, his government actively engaged in policies that worsened crises created by government policy in the first place. Simple inept mismanagement would be a vast improvement over something that looks like treason, or serving masters other than the ones who elected him.
Dont forget Sean Fraser, Bill Morneau, and the unbelievably long string of useless Foreign Affairs ministers. It's quite an amazing roster of underachievers.
I highly doubt this is the last we will see of this group. They will pop up all over the place for the next 20 years, and it will always be in positions contrary to the overall health of this country. I am sure Trudeau will be going on to very big things from here, seeing how well he follows orders after cashing cheques.
The annoying this is for their lack of effort they will still have pensions on the taxpayer dime for the rest of their lives. We should be able to vote whether or not they get one.
How about adjusting immigration numbers to match the available housing and infrastructure
So u don’t sell immigrants a false bag of goods or screw over locals
subsidizing foreign workers to work at Tim hortins while laying off vulnerable locals is also really stupid
That’s all people asked u to do and u don’t listen
>they have thrown everything they can think of
Electoral reform like you ran and won on originally, opposition to CBDCs/digital id, and a commitment to lowering immigration until we have housing and infrastructure to support it.
I really don't want to vote right, but I'll do it.
Its not like pierre is any better, imo all the parties could do with a completely different head. None of them are very believable or appealing, its very much a damned if I do and don't situation.
> is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.”
they've tried nothing and they're all out of ideas
Given his history of voting against policies that would help canadians, especially affordable housing, I can see why many would be cognizant of the fact that just because the current guy is terrible does not mean someone else's automatically going to be better. Anyone who thinks that conservative leadership which has provided no meaningful platform or policies surrounding immigration or housing to date, is going to somehow save us... Is delusional, ignorant, stupid, or a combination of those things
Also, here in Ontario, our conservative government is actively hurting housing development and promoting sprawl over densification, killing healthcare (even though the Liberal government gave the province a huge healthcare transfer, but the province never used it), and killing our education system. The province of Ontario is also a huge reason for the mass immigration by giving every "school" that applies, the seal of approval.
If his education minister took an actual hard stance on diploma mills and took away their legitimacy, we'd be in a much better place. To be fair, they did make it harder for privately owned colleges to bring in immigrants next year, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yep, Ford is a fuckin greasy bastard, and if he's any indication of what the federal cons are looking to do, then I have very little hope for the future.
I emailed my local ridings Conservative MP who happens to be a certain opposition leader, and mentioned this, and asked how their policies around education, healthcare, and immigration differ, but never got a response. So that's not exactly promising either.
For real. Criticism of Trudeau is far from being unhealthy or bad; if anything, it's the constant dumping from the PP stand that is completely unhealthy.
Try and criticize PP and they automatically assign the liberal mantel to you. Give credit to anything Trudeau does and you'll be labeled a Liberal.
Yep, we have no good party leaders right now. Trudeau seems completely divorced from what people want in the last 4-5 years, Singh doesn't seem like he understands what make a practical policy, and PP is a trainwreck in human form.
I wouldn't be happy to vote for any of them; my only concern in the next election will be voting for whoever has the best chance against the Cons.
He will, though.
I get that everyone has a problem with the Liberal party's corruption, their corporate-friendly policies, their use of immigration to drive down wages, and their election manipulation.
I don't get why everyone wants to switch to the other party that did all of those things 10 years ago.
Is it because Trudeau [tweets out superfluous consonants](https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1445200620340842496)? Cause I get that too, that's cringey as fuck, but man can't we just vote in a 3rd party that won't fuck us over this once? I don't wanna just be satisfied with less consonants, but all the same corruption and shitty policies.
A lot of Canadians are in a tough spot. Do we vote for the guy we have and know or hand the keys over to the 'fuck trudeau' crew and see how bad they can fuck things up?
Honestly, until the names of the traitor MP's are released I don't trust any of them. Anyone who says they'd vote for any candidate without knowing who was involved in the treason is crazy imo.
The thing is, he won't. His ego is too big, and he's too much of a narcissist to step down. He either can't understand or is unwilling to understand why people want him gone. So he will keep plugging his ears and keep telling Canadians don't believe what your eyes and ears are telling you.
A point someone else made is that stepping down would be a bad plan regardless. It wouldn't significantly alter the next election and it would just sandbag the career of whoever stepped in to take his place.
The best plan for the party is to let him go down with the ship and regroup for the following election. This unfortunately is going to give Canada a hard yank towards populism and the right with PP but there's not much else to be done.
Poilievre is an affected populist, using populist tactics to contrast with a smarmy, elitist Trudeau *le Dauphin* and gain vote share. The CPC are a classical centre right party. (And given the LPC's lurch toward the left with a whiff of authoritarianism, the CPC more or less now occupies the classical liberal centre). Anyone who says the CPC is hard right etc. is being histrionic or is engaged in some fetishistic mirror imaging of the contemporary US GOP or otherwise just sits quite far left of centre on the political spectrum.
Pretty much. I get strong narc vibes from him, and they generally believe that if you don’t agree with them you’re simply “wrong” and need to be “educated”.
I think the entire strategy at this point is just **praying** for a PP scandal. Something like old pictures of PP in black face coming to the surface... Wait...
The strategy is to go down with the ship so he will be scapegoated for all the problems, and a new leader will be able to emerge with a clean slate. Stepping down before the election just sabotages the career of whoever replaces him anyway so what would be the point?
Damn, we might need to update that Wikipedia page showing our most hated PM's that people have been posting around here (if this were to qualify for official numbers anyways). Justin Trudeau is heading in the direction of the top 3 most disliked PM's in our country's history with these numbers.
I’m sure I’m not the only one that doesn’t particularly care if he steps down, because the people he’s surrounded himself with at the top of the Liberal party are just as bad. I doubt things would improve if one of them took the reins. An election would be nice, but I don’t expect him to call one anytime soon.
Unfortunately we’re not in for relief. He’s just one dude. Until we get a party that truly represents Canadians and what’s best for Canada while being moral / ethical world citizens its gonna be much of the same.
He shouldn't step down. Unless they go with a useless Kim Campbell type to take the bullet for whomever should Actually be next, it'll be political suicide to take over for Trudeau prior to the next election. Let the captain go down with the ship and move onto the next person.
Honestly I'm about as much of a textbook Liberal voter as it gets and I'm completely unimpressed since the pandemic. If you're losing people like me who mostly align ideologically with the center/center left, don't mind doing deep dives beyond the sound bites to see what you've actually done well, and are more than willing to vote for whatever I think is the least of all evils... I dunno who's left besides people who vote Liberal because that's just what they do, and strategic voters.
I think they did some good things. I think that as much as things are tight right now Canada came out of the pandemic in decent shape. But that was 3 years ago, what kind of vision does the government still have? What compelling reason do we have to keep them in power? What unfinished business does Trudeau need another term to finish? He's done. Thanks for the good stuff pre 2019, thanks for helping keep the wheels from falling off during the pandemic, time for somebody with ideas.
It kinda is just that. To be honest, he's accomplished a lot. Objectively the most progressive administration in my lifetime, but at the end of the day, he didn't deliver on his major promises and on the things that Canadians truly care about.
People who forget we are not the US and have more than two parties to choose from.
Seriously, the only defense I hear is "he's better than PP". No shit, don't vote for either ffs
I think JT can get that number higher than 68%.
I would like to see the Liberals devastated in the election just like they've done to this country.
FUCK TRUDEAU!!
When Mulroney stepped down, 85% wanted him to step down.
Mulroney's party got 16% of the votes in the next election, giving them 2 seats.
If an election were held today, the Liberals are still expected to get 25% of the votes, giving them 80 seats.
The hate for Trudeau seems pretty strong, but the hate for Mulroney was nearly twice as strong. Mulroney really fucked this country and over the past 30 years, what he did has done more damage than Trudeau has.
Just for one example, Mulroney cancelled all the housing building programs when he first got in. Imagine what housing would look like today if we'd continued building housing over the past 40 years.
What Trudeau has done to housing is easily fixed. Just stop renewing most of the TFWs and let them go home. That would free up a lot of housing within a few years.
I'm sure if that question was asked to EVERYONE and not just the study group, your % would be alot higher. I don't know a single person who is happy with him.i have friends that voted for him and aren't happy with him.
Imagine thinking a prime minister is going to step down because the people who didn't vote for him want him to. The times we live in since COVID made people fucking lunatics for politics. Doesn't matter how you vote, if you think a PM is going to just step down because his opposition are being mean, you're dreaming.
He inadvertently made talking about how bad the country’s immigration policies are acceptable. I used to get called a racist for saying what I did. Now my opinions are apparently perfectly mainstream.
You're now like the US.
You get to bounce back and forth between liberals and conservatives until your nation collapses.
We all need to get these people out of politics. It's become a sick joke. Neither of these groups will help anyone. They're separate from our nations. They only want power and don't care what happens to us.
Now? Haha
We have been bouncing back and forth between the cons and libs my entire life, 40 years.
Canada has even easier to corrupt politicians than the states does, and that’s saying something.
My dad put it in a good way. “Under Trudeau’s watch, he built a Canada where my children who both work 40hours a week can’t afford to buy a house.” I don’t think every single thing Trudeau does is wrong, I love how he supports ukraine and he truly seems like a guy who wants the world to be a better place. But on the other hand, income inequality and housing prices have skyrocketed. I just hope the next guy can fix the issues he started while also pushing to be a respectable human being. I hate the “if Trudeau does it then it’s evil mentality” praise him for the good and punish him for the bad.
trudeau is an absolute twat but the housing crisis and eroding middle class is a global issue, and if there's one thing that always rings true with populist leaders is that their solutions always only look good in the moment and prove detrimental in hindsight.
PP won't stop immigration, he won't fix the housing crisis, he won't help the middle class, the only thing different is he will fuck what's left of our healthcare and education systems, and roll back a bunch of social progress we've made.
This is what drives me nuts. PP wants to do NOTHING about immigration, but constantly whinges about the housing crisis. FIX THE PROBLEM PIERRE. I want Trudeau out but PP isn’t the solution at all. The absolute fucking state of our country. Depressing.
Even if he stepped down, he's just the face for the same votes. And I don't know what to expect from the Liberals any more. They promised voting reform and reneged. They promised affordable housing and reneged. They promised an end to TFW's and reneged. They promised a change to Harper's policies re: climate change - and bought a pipeline to operate. But hey, legal weed?
I don't expect a party to keep all its election promises, but reversing course to go in the opposite direction - on multiple promises - I just don't know what to expect. I don't know *what* they've done to earn another term in power.
I am not sure it matters. The next leader they pick will be the same in a different wrapper. Trudeau is a sympton of a much bigger problem with the Liberal party and Canadian politics as a whole.
The only thing his resignation accomplishes is soft-resetting public opinion by being able to throw all the blame out with his departure so everything can continue business-as-usual.
He should step down if he wants to give the libs a chance to save face and if not they have literally no chance in the next election, although it's already looking that way anyways.
I'm surprised that anyone wants Liberals again...
The whole party is a shambles, look at our twitching grinning deputy PM crackhead Freeloader.
Singh actually is worse as he is an enabler and licking JT's boots while making sure he gets a pension. Fuck all of them for doing nothing.
Condensed: * Ipsos polling done exclusively for Global News shows 68% of Canadians want Trudeau to step down. The desire for him to call it quits is highest in Alberta (79%) and Atlantic Canada (76%). * “This is as bad as we’ve seen it for Trudeau. It’s close to rock bottom,” said Ipsos CEO Darrell Bricker. * Ipsos surveyed Canadians between June 12 and 14 and found that if an election were held tomorrow, the Conservatives would enjoy a “comfortable victory” with 42% of the decided vote. The Liberals would receive 24%, with the NDP at 18%. * According to the polling, after eight years in power Trudeau may be “dragging the success of his party down with him.” * The reverse appears to be true for Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who “has grown his lead even ahead of his own party,” says Ipsos: 44% say he would make the best prime minister. * The poll also shows 75% of Canadians want another party to take over, while just 25% think the Liberals “deserve reelection.” * “What’s worse is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.”
Surprised to see Atlantic Canada at second with 76%.
I just came back from a trip there. Holy fuck I didn't think it was possible to make a Newfie angry. Drove through PEI, NB and NS too. All the same. I knew support was bad but they want this guy torched to ashes
I take it you’ve never been threatened with a “I kick ya tree times in da troat der bye” before?
I'm not. My biggest takeaway when I went down to PEI last summer was that they really hate Trudeau.
Trudeau unites the country around something, at least.
The open door immigration policy has hit the maritimes the hardest. Some of the lowest wages and highest taxes is seeing massive amounts of international “students” flocking there for work to try to scam PR status as easily as possible. Look at what the “students” did in PEI, for example. Flat out telling the local government they will not be going to school or leaving Tim Horton’s to work in the sectors where migrant workers are desperately needed then threatened the government with mass violence of a hunger strike because they want PR status and made it clear that they will not be doing anything to contribute to Canada now or even when they get their papers. What did the Trudeau government to assist with this blatant violation and abuse of temporary visas? Invited more people from the same region, with the same entitlement to PR status. Because of the flood of temporary visa holders and no increase in infrastructure to support it the numbers, the average price of a one bedroom rental in Halifax skyrocketed to $2000/mth. Keep in mind its $2200/mth in some areas of Metro Vancouver. And all of the minimum wage jobs have been given to “students” willing to work for a fraction of minimum wage in exchange for the employer signing off on their work hours for their PR status. All of that strife just to survive day to day and then Trudeau adds on to it but introducing a completely unnecessary tax to an already struggling region of Canada.
I'm in a small town in Nova Scotia right now and the only people working in franchise restaurants are Indians. It's pretty crazy. It's not like that at all where I'm from.
It's like that in every province now. The only people getting customer service and retail jobs are Indian nationals. Teenagers and low skilled workers are out of luck for jobs. It's spreading into multiple other fields too.
Same here in BC,
Same, considering the Liberals won every seat in Atlantic Canada back in 2015. However, Atlantic Canada has always been a more socially conservative place than central Canada. They had a falling out with Harper because of his EI reforms targeting seasonal workers, but I suspect that's low on the list of issues for them now.
We really thought electoral reform was going to happen, would have been great for the smaller provinces
I disagree that it would be great for small provinces. As it stands, every vote in PEI is worth at least 4 times more than a vote in more populous provinces like Ontario, Alberta, etc. In fact, the average riding in Atlantic Canada has significantly fewer people than the rest of Canada outside of the territories. If we'd moved to proportional representation, that advantage would have been lost. Not to mention Atlantic provinces are very overweighted in the Senate as well, although not that it really matters there, as they're mostly PMJT lackeys despite the whole supposed non-partisan label.
Atlantic canada is conservative, in that they don't like change, but is generally not ideological conservatives, because Atlantic Canada is also the biggest recipient of government largess in the country. Harper wanted to change Seasonal EI because as it exists, it effectively turns the EI program into a *massive* wage subsidy for seasonal workers in the maritimes. If you've ever wondered exactly what the EI line item on your T4 is actually covering, about 75% of it is going to subsidize seasonal fishery workers in the maritimes. Your regular reminder that without Federal cash injections (largely funded by Alberta and Ontario), the maritimes would have an economy roughly on par with Kazakhstan or Malaysia, and would not quality as a developed country if they were independent.
Interestingly, Atlantic Canada had a thriving economy prior to Confederation, however Canada's first few prime minister's were protectionist in order to develop industry in Ontario and Quebec. One wonders if Atlantic Canada would be more like the American eastern seaboard if it wasn't for the massive transfer of wealth from the Maritimes to Ontario in the 1800's.
Yup, confederation did Nova Scotia dirty, there's a good reason why there was strong opposition to joining way back when.
The aggressive mediocrity and waste of the Canadian government runs deep. The entire country could have and should be a thriving economic superpower but instead we have a few Laurentien oligarchs and too many of us can’t even afford to move out. Doubt anything will ever improve
Definitely. Since the late 60's the federal government has been increasingly infringing on provincial responsibilities, punishing success, and rewarding mediocrity.
It’s worth noting that provincial politicians are cut from the same corrupt loser cloth and are also actively harming their provinces in a similar way
Atlantic Canada is not socially conservative. That is a misnomer. PEI had both the first non-white and first openly gay premier in Canada I believe. I can tell you that nobody there even batted an eye there. Atlantic Canada is more of a "leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone" vs the Alberta "Leave me alone and listen to what I think of you". There has been no historical support for the PCs or Reform in Atlantic Canada. It is generally a Liberal stronghold.
No, Ontario had the first openly gay premier with Kathleen Wynne. And I'm not sure who PEI elected as a premier of colour, but I know other provinces have. For example, Ujall Dosanjj as BC premier a couple decades ago. Not to mention the indigenous premiers that have served as premier in the territories and historical Manitoba. Having lived in Alberta as well as BC and Ontario, the attitude there is also "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone". Despite the stories the media pumps about social conservatives in Alberta, frankly, nobody really cares. There's been lots of historical PC support in Atlantic Canada. I have no idea where you got that idea from.
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Uh no, Atlantic Canada (at least NS) outside of Halifax is typically socially conservative and the Liberals they voted for were social conservative. Like Cuzner and Eyking.
You don't know what you are talking about. Atlantic provinces have had the highest religious service attendance on a weekly basis since the 40's. It is by far the most social conservative place in the country.
I’m not. NS, NB, and PEI all have provincial conservative governments. The cost of living is here is really being felt as many people had low wages before inflation went nuts. The federal Liberals doubled down on reckless mass immigration which has housing costs skyrocketing here(and everywhere else).
Fuck Trudeau flags and homemade signs are pretty popular in my area.
I'm not, but I observe old school PC sympathy here, not the ersatz US republicanism that is publicly observed in western conservatism and parts of Ontario - a little exists everywhere but on the margins. Polievre's future rests in the size of the tent he builds, and McKay conservatism is more of a winner than discount Harper politics as here. Everyone hates Trudeau, but that doesn't mean they won't vote for him if they think he's the best of a bunch of sketchy options. PP campaign should just be ... I'm still better than Trudeau.
Surprised to see 25% thinking he deserves reelection
Honestly I think that is the biggest news of the survey.
Who are the 32% who still want him around? That is the better question.
Statistically? Mostly middle class women over the age of 55. It's a demographic you don't see much of on Reddit. It's about the only demographic in which Trudeau and the Liberals still has extensive support. As a group they have largely been insulated from the housing and cost of living crises afflicting the rest of the country and they are highly supportive of Trudeau's social policies and vision for the country.
The 32% of the population who just arrived in the past 10 years thanks to Trudeaus policies. The ones who are renting their detached home in Brampton purchased through a 3rd tier mortgage lender to 12 different tenants who are international students attending 3rd tier schools above convenience stores.
People who aren't largely affected by the current state of housing or the labour market. That's a lot of Canadians.
Everyone _is_ affected though because it is fucking up other parts of our lives/is simply a symptom of issues with how badly managed our country is. I own my home outright after literal decades of work and saving. Do I consider myself “unaffected"? Hell no. I am pretty pissed off that my children can do all the right things - get educated, work and save and still be priced out of housing. This has been generations in the making. My grandfather was paid properly for his work and easily owned a home with a stay at home wife. My parents less so, they both worked and had fuck all left over. This shit show has been crafted over the course of many Liberal and Conservative governments. You want change? Re-elect no one. Pick a 3rd party and make your vote your message. Send the corporate representatives that have been ‘fine tuning’ our economy for decades home.
Trudeau went all in on boomers with expensive houses and property investors. That is where most of that 32% comes from.
The Ontario subreddit and most of Reddit overall lol
Wealthy homeowners that want to keep the RE party going. 54 year old women who haven't paid rent in 26 years and have no idea how fucked up the country is.
Even most home owners do not want the value of their house to be in the millions unless you own multiple homes. People with children know their kids will never be able to afford a house with these prices.
My parents literally never understand until they experience it themselves. Once my mom tried to return to the workforce, she complained about having to jump through hoops to get jobs and HOW LOW the pay rate was. And how they didn't just let her have any day off that she wanted. She had no idea about rent prices until my sister moved out and they were searching for apartments. I don't know how to fix that.
While that's true of the wiser ones, most people honestly don't think that far ahead. It's not surprising that you see vast differences in support from demographics directly impacted by a cost of living crisis, and from demographics that are not.
I am a wealthy homeowner. I’ve never hated a politician in my life. If I saw trudeau in person, it would take every ounce of personal strength not to destroy him.
That is oddly specific, but my partner is that exact demographic and while she is not a supporter of any particular party, she knows how bad things are and that something has to change, so JT has even lost that demographic.
Rich liberals
Horny on main middle aged women who think Trudeau is cute.
Browsing through this subreddit, I'm guessing the vast majority of Redditors. FWIW, IMHO, all the swing votes to PP are only there to make sure JT isn't. JT is doing more for the Conservatives than they could possibly do on their own.
The fringe minority.
It’s people who don’t want conservatives in and probably can’t separate Trudeau out with conservatives in. I’m left (I vote strategically as I don’t feel any party quite scratches my itch at this time) but I can’t stand Trudeau, I think many Libs are just scrambling for a strong new liberal leader to put their faith in, Trudeau was a disgusting mess from the beginning
The issue for me (as a former/undecided liberal) runs much deeper than Trudeau. Freeland is a dumpster fire, and so many of the MP's have simply trotted along and supported every destructive policy. I can't see voting for the party even with someone like Mark Carney in, there's just been so much damage done and so little regard for Canadians' needs at every level
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You think the ones being forced back into the office needlessly, just to prop up downtown businesses that failed to adapt to a changing work model, are Trudeau supporters? This government is openly hostile toward its workers. Trust me, Liberal support in the PS is at rock-bottom.
The Liberals want the government workers back in the office. The Conservatives want them to not be government workers anymore. As a conservative who thinks the public service is far too big, I can understand why a public sector worker would vote Liberal out of self-preservation.
People without jobs... and temporary residents
Public servants, both active and retired. It has been a very very good 9 years for them.
The people who fearmonger with "but the conservatives" whether they believe it themselves or not.
Homeowners that have owned their home for 10+ years and are largely insulated from recent housing price increases.
Probably students who are getting force fed propaganda constantly
>“What’s worse is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.” Everything they've tried has made things objectively worse in the past year, not to mention all the secrets and hypocrisy
> “What’s worse is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.” They have not. They have raised immigration to ludicrous levels during a housing crisis. They have told every generation younger than the Baby Boomers that they do not care about them, and now they are surprised that they are unelectable. The fact that people are willing to risk the opposition, which is also the worst it has ever been, is telling.
Can't wait to watch Trudeau, Freeland, Guilbeault, and Miller hit the road. Fuckin' destroyed the country over the last decade.
*Sean Fraser the architect of immigration and housing crises.
Policy is created in PMO. Ministers just implement policy.
Now. It didn't used to be this way. It's a terrible way to manage a machine as big as a country. Let the specialists in a field make policy decisions on their field. PMO should be the go-between different offices, not the director of all thought and policy.
And in the process, destroyed the Liberal party's chances for re-election for another decade to come.
Such is the election cycle in Canada. In a decade the Conservatives will be in the same position as the Liberals are now. We don't vote people in, we vote them out.
Agreed but I've never seen so many Canadians agree on one thing before; Harper wasn't hated half as much as Trudeau is.
I look for the day PP and the CPC start catching the same flak JT and the LPC are taking right now. PP and the CPC isn't going to change much. It's just changing who gets to manage the status quo, giving us just enough crumbs of change to think something meaningful is being done. Rinse and repeat with the next change of government. We need new grassroot parties in Canada. Maybe the NDP can finally step up if they get rid of Jagmeet and his loyalists, otherwise it will need to be brand new movements and parties. This is basically impossible given the total lack of political involvement and general apathy most Canadians have for politics. All we do is complain, vote, and then complain about the outcome of the vote. This isn't going to change things, and only allows things to continue getting worse, hence the vicious cycle of complaining, and doing fuck all about the further enshitification of our society.
It will be interesting to see the provincial conservatives play with the federal conservatives. Right now a lot of problem are being pinned onto trudeau, but problems like inflation and housing wouldnt just go away.
Yep. Far too many people are blaming Trudeau for policies that happen at the provincial and even municipal level. There's still plent of criticism that's valid for the LPC under JT, but the disconnect many people have between the different levels of government is concerning. PP and Ford would be an interesting dynamic to see play out for sure, same with Smith.
I mean, it's how Canadian politics works. The two main parties get about 8 to 12 years, then get swapped. This should be a signal to the parties to be more centralist, but they wind up taking it as a sign to be more polarized and do as much damage as they can before they get booted. Which leads them to getting booted.
Haha I think you overestimate the other parties ability to govern well. But it does feel that way
I mean, look at Ontario Liberals. 2 elections later and they still don’t have official party status. Funny enough, the same people behind the scenes that sunk the OLP are the same people behind the scenes of the LPC.
I mean, prior to Ford the conservatives were locked out for just as long. We always tend to have long reigns until everyone is sick of Party X and vote them out for a decade and let Party Y have a go. The exact same thing happened with Harper on the federal level, and is almost certainly going to happen to Trudeau. Also, Ontario has a voter turnout rate of like 40%. We are just really, really bad at actually voting for anything.
They only need to not be significantly worse than the previous 10 years and they should be golden. Maybe they can go longer if they actually swap leaders if/when Poilievre starts seeing polls that the majority of Canadians want him specifically out.
You don't think Poilievre can last two terms? Doug Ford can win two elections but not Poilievre?
Doug Ford can, and does, blame Trudeau for everything still. If Poilievre is PM, he can't exactly do the same. And then he'll have all the premiers after him as well.
We’re nine years in and I still see Harper blamed for things almost every day. The difference being, Trudeau really has fucked things up so severely it’s going to take years, even decades to fix, so blaming him well into the future will be fair and accurate.
Considering Liberals are still blaming Harper 9 years later, and how angry the country is at Trudeau, I figure he can pull off at least 5 years of blaming Trudeau.
Are you kidding? Liberals in Ontario still blame Mike Harris and he hasn't been a Premiere since 2002.
Trudeau burnt our economy and finances down on the way out so yeah no other party will be able to govern effectively
What's uniquely bad about Trudeau, his government actively engaged in policies that worsened crises created by government policy in the first place. Simple inept mismanagement would be a vast improvement over something that looks like treason, or serving masters other than the ones who elected him.
The CPC did a good job the last time they were in power.
That’s a quite good news to me.
Having one major party become openly useless just lowers the bar for all competition and harms regular Canadians. This isn't a sports team, grow up.
Dont forget Sean Fraser, Bill Morneau, and the unbelievably long string of useless Foreign Affairs ministers. It's quite an amazing roster of underachievers.
Don't forget that traitorous POS Sean Fraser. They should all be in prison.
I highly doubt this is the last we will see of this group. They will pop up all over the place for the next 20 years, and it will always be in positions contrary to the overall health of this country. I am sure Trudeau will be going on to very big things from here, seeing how well he follows orders after cashing cheques.
The annoying this is for their lack of effort they will still have pensions on the taxpayer dime for the rest of their lives. We should be able to vote whether or not they get one.
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She has her pension and board position at WEF, you think she'll go from Minister of Finance to backwater opposition MP?
How about adjusting immigration numbers to match the available housing and infrastructure So u don’t sell immigrants a false bag of goods or screw over locals subsidizing foreign workers to work at Tim hortins while laying off vulnerable locals is also really stupid That’s all people asked u to do and u don’t listen
How about we just go back to immigration policy circa 1997. Before all the TFW bullshit started.
Clearly those dumb citizens aren’t in “decision mode” yet as per JT.
He’s right, the decision has been made already.
Some people think the GTA byelection next week will be his deciding factor whether he will call elections/step down.
Not just him, his entire cabinet. They all are F useless.
Who are these 25%? Would love to meet one. I have not met anyone - even a liberal voter - who has admitted he should stay.
Bros doing the lords work by condensing it🙏
>they have thrown everything they can think of Electoral reform like you ran and won on originally, opposition to CBDCs/digital id, and a commitment to lowering immigration until we have housing and infrastructure to support it. I really don't want to vote right, but I'll do it.
Its not like pierre is any better, imo all the parties could do with a completely different head. None of them are very believable or appealing, its very much a damned if I do and don't situation.
> is that they have thrown everything they can think of at changing this dynamic,” Bricker said. “Nothing has worked. It’s frozen in solid.” they've tried nothing and they're all out of ideas
I really want to know who those 25% are who think that he “deserves a reelection”
It's the "I don't like Trudeau but PP will just make things even worse" crowd.
Given his history of voting against policies that would help canadians, especially affordable housing, I can see why many would be cognizant of the fact that just because the current guy is terrible does not mean someone else's automatically going to be better. Anyone who thinks that conservative leadership which has provided no meaningful platform or policies surrounding immigration or housing to date, is going to somehow save us... Is delusional, ignorant, stupid, or a combination of those things
Also, here in Ontario, our conservative government is actively hurting housing development and promoting sprawl over densification, killing healthcare (even though the Liberal government gave the province a huge healthcare transfer, but the province never used it), and killing our education system. The province of Ontario is also a huge reason for the mass immigration by giving every "school" that applies, the seal of approval. If his education minister took an actual hard stance on diploma mills and took away their legitimacy, we'd be in a much better place. To be fair, they did make it harder for privately owned colleges to bring in immigrants next year, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yep, Ford is a fuckin greasy bastard, and if he's any indication of what the federal cons are looking to do, then I have very little hope for the future. I emailed my local ridings Conservative MP who happens to be a certain opposition leader, and mentioned this, and asked how their policies around education, healthcare, and immigration differ, but never got a response. So that's not exactly promising either.
For real. Criticism of Trudeau is far from being unhealthy or bad; if anything, it's the constant dumping from the PP stand that is completely unhealthy. Try and criticize PP and they automatically assign the liberal mantel to you. Give credit to anything Trudeau does and you'll be labeled a Liberal.
Promote the CPP and get called a racist nationalist Promote the NDP, be called a clueless contrarian Why are Canadians so judgemental?
Yep, we have no good party leaders right now. Trudeau seems completely divorced from what people want in the last 4-5 years, Singh doesn't seem like he understands what make a practical policy, and PP is a trainwreck in human form. I wouldn't be happy to vote for any of them; my only concern in the next election will be voting for whoever has the best chance against the Cons.
Or “I just vote liberal no matter what.” Ie my grandfather.
Fair assessment tbh
He will, though. I get that everyone has a problem with the Liberal party's corruption, their corporate-friendly policies, their use of immigration to drive down wages, and their election manipulation. I don't get why everyone wants to switch to the other party that did all of those things 10 years ago. Is it because Trudeau [tweets out superfluous consonants](https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1445200620340842496)? Cause I get that too, that's cringey as fuck, but man can't we just vote in a 3rd party that won't fuck us over this once? I don't wanna just be satisfied with less consonants, but all the same corruption and shitty policies.
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A lot of Canadians are in a tough spot. Do we vote for the guy we have and know or hand the keys over to the 'fuck trudeau' crew and see how bad they can fuck things up? Honestly, until the names of the traitor MP's are released I don't trust any of them. Anyone who says they'd vote for any candidate without knowing who was involved in the treason is crazy imo.
It’s honestly a tough decision though. We have Trudeau on one side and Pollievre on the other and I don’t like either of those choices.
How will Poilievre help average canadians? Honest question.
The thing is, he won't. His ego is too big, and he's too much of a narcissist to step down. He either can't understand or is unwilling to understand why people want him gone. So he will keep plugging his ears and keep telling Canadians don't believe what your eyes and ears are telling you.
A point someone else made is that stepping down would be a bad plan regardless. It wouldn't significantly alter the next election and it would just sandbag the career of whoever stepped in to take his place. The best plan for the party is to let him go down with the ship and regroup for the following election. This unfortunately is going to give Canada a hard yank towards populism and the right with PP but there's not much else to be done.
Poilievre is an affected populist, using populist tactics to contrast with a smarmy, elitist Trudeau *le Dauphin* and gain vote share. The CPC are a classical centre right party. (And given the LPC's lurch toward the left with a whiff of authoritarianism, the CPC more or less now occupies the classical liberal centre). Anyone who says the CPC is hard right etc. is being histrionic or is engaged in some fetishistic mirror imaging of the contemporary US GOP or otherwise just sits quite far left of centre on the political spectrum.
well said.
I mean, his caucus also believes he is the right choice for the party.
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Pretty much. I get strong narc vibes from him, and they generally believe that if you don’t agree with them you’re simply “wrong” and need to be “educated”.
"Canadians will be in decision mode when he tells them they need to be." - JT, probably.
I think the entire strategy at this point is just **praying** for a PP scandal. Something like old pictures of PP in black face coming to the surface... Wait...
The strategy is to go down with the ship so he will be scapegoated for all the problems, and a new leader will be able to emerge with a clean slate. Stepping down before the election just sabotages the career of whoever replaces him anyway so what would be the point?
I wonder if he will move the election date again but this time by a month.
"Due to ~~poor polling~~ the *insert crisis* we will be post poning the election indefinitely." - Trudeau
Okay but we need someone better than PP as an alternative
That’s a definite.
PMs tend to have a max expiration date of 10 years.
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It would be nice if all federal party leaders stepped down and we got a fresh batch. This current lot seems to have spoiled.
But according to him, we’re not in decision mode yet. I hope there is still a Canada to save come October
As usual, he knows what's best for Canadians and what Canadians want. 🙃
Little does he know, he already missed the decision mode bus, and is still waiting at the stop hoping it's just running late.
Yep. Abhorrent how little Trudeau thinks about Canadians. Singh too. They'll do anything to cling to power.
Damn, we might need to update that Wikipedia page showing our most hated PM's that people have been posting around here (if this were to qualify for official numbers anyways). Justin Trudeau is heading in the direction of the top 3 most disliked PM's in our country's history with these numbers.
Could you name anyone worse? He divided the country with politics and ran us into the ground as a country. I'm genuinely curious.
Who’s the 32% that want him to stay? I’m pretty sure a bear at the zoo would make better decisions, I’m not trying to insult the bear, it’s an example
I want him to go, I just want someone other than his Conservative clone to replace him.
The real TL;DR: His ego won't let him, and he'd rather ruin this country than step back.
"An evil man will burn his own nation to rule over the ashes" - Sun Tzu A story as old as time.
Only 68%??
I’m sure I’m not the only one that doesn’t particularly care if he steps down, because the people he’s surrounded himself with at the top of the Liberal party are just as bad. I doubt things would improve if one of them took the reins. An election would be nice, but I don’t expect him to call one anytime soon.
Unfortunately we’re not in for relief. He’s just one dude. Until we get a party that truly represents Canadians and what’s best for Canada while being moral / ethical world citizens its gonna be much of the same.
Exactly, people are so ready to jettison one politician then think the next one will represent them and not also do shady stuff?? Dream on people.
He shouldn't step down. Unless they go with a useless Kim Campbell type to take the bullet for whomever should Actually be next, it'll be political suicide to take over for Trudeau prior to the next election. Let the captain go down with the ship and move onto the next person.
He ruined this country already...that's his signature. He is enjoying his limelight but not for long.
He only got 33% of the vote in 2021. So… no change?
Chrystia Freeland has to go, too!
Honestly I'm about as much of a textbook Liberal voter as it gets and I'm completely unimpressed since the pandemic. If you're losing people like me who mostly align ideologically with the center/center left, don't mind doing deep dives beyond the sound bites to see what you've actually done well, and are more than willing to vote for whatever I think is the least of all evils... I dunno who's left besides people who vote Liberal because that's just what they do, and strategic voters. I think they did some good things. I think that as much as things are tight right now Canada came out of the pandemic in decent shape. But that was 3 years ago, what kind of vision does the government still have? What compelling reason do we have to keep them in power? What unfinished business does Trudeau need another term to finish? He's done. Thanks for the good stuff pre 2019, thanks for helping keep the wheels from falling off during the pandemic, time for somebody with ideas.
It kinda is just that. To be honest, he's accomplished a lot. Objectively the most progressive administration in my lifetime, but at the end of the day, he didn't deliver on his major promises and on the things that Canadians truly care about.
> What compelling reason do we have to keep them in power? Have you seen the alternatives?
What the… WHO are these 32% that think he should stay???
Housing investors
The Westons, Rodgers and government employees.
So 32% don't want him to step down, which is pretty much the voter share the Liberals got in 2021.
Who the hell are the people who don't want him to step down. I don't get it?
People who forget we are not the US and have more than two parties to choose from. Seriously, the only defense I hear is "he's better than PP". No shit, don't vote for either ffs
Lowest so far. We need to get it lower
I think JT can get that number higher than 68%. I would like to see the Liberals devastated in the election just like they've done to this country. FUCK TRUDEAU!!
When Mulroney stepped down, 85% wanted him to step down. Mulroney's party got 16% of the votes in the next election, giving them 2 seats. If an election were held today, the Liberals are still expected to get 25% of the votes, giving them 80 seats. The hate for Trudeau seems pretty strong, but the hate for Mulroney was nearly twice as strong. Mulroney really fucked this country and over the past 30 years, what he did has done more damage than Trudeau has. Just for one example, Mulroney cancelled all the housing building programs when he first got in. Imagine what housing would look like today if we'd continued building housing over the past 40 years. What Trudeau has done to housing is easily fixed. Just stop renewing most of the TFWs and let them go home. That would free up a lot of housing within a few years.
I'm sure if that question was asked to EVERYONE and not just the study group, your % would be alot higher. I don't know a single person who is happy with him.i have friends that voted for him and aren't happy with him.
Step down? There isn't anyone even slightly capable of being a leader of any of the political parties in Canada. So who's next?
Imagine thinking a prime minister is going to step down because the people who didn't vote for him want him to. The times we live in since COVID made people fucking lunatics for politics. Doesn't matter how you vote, if you think a PM is going to just step down because his opposition are being mean, you're dreaming.
He has long overstayed his welcome and needs to get the fuck out
dont be hasty - this man can sink further - just give it a little more time
It’s time to go
What are the other 32% of Canadians thinking? Are they living under a rock?
You need to have faith, fellow Canadians. Trudeau, the piece of shit that he is, can still go lower!
The scariest part of this story is that there are still 1 in 4 Canadians who would vote for this guy.
Can someone seriously tell me what good Trudeau has accomplished during his tenure? Something that actually benefited Canadians?
Weed. End of list.
He inadvertently made talking about how bad the country’s immigration policies are acceptable. I used to get called a racist for saying what I did. Now my opinions are apparently perfectly mainstream.
You're now like the US. You get to bounce back and forth between liberals and conservatives until your nation collapses. We all need to get these people out of politics. It's become a sick joke. Neither of these groups will help anyone. They're separate from our nations. They only want power and don't care what happens to us.
Now? Haha We have been bouncing back and forth between the cons and libs my entire life, 40 years. Canada has even easier to corrupt politicians than the states does, and that’s saying something.
My dad put it in a good way. “Under Trudeau’s watch, he built a Canada where my children who both work 40hours a week can’t afford to buy a house.” I don’t think every single thing Trudeau does is wrong, I love how he supports ukraine and he truly seems like a guy who wants the world to be a better place. But on the other hand, income inequality and housing prices have skyrocketed. I just hope the next guy can fix the issues he started while also pushing to be a respectable human being. I hate the “if Trudeau does it then it’s evil mentality” praise him for the good and punish him for the bad.
trudeau is an absolute twat but the housing crisis and eroding middle class is a global issue, and if there's one thing that always rings true with populist leaders is that their solutions always only look good in the moment and prove detrimental in hindsight. PP won't stop immigration, he won't fix the housing crisis, he won't help the middle class, the only thing different is he will fuck what's left of our healthcare and education systems, and roll back a bunch of social progress we've made.
PP's answer to a 65% inclusion rate will be a 35% exclusion rate.
This is what drives me nuts. PP wants to do NOTHING about immigration, but constantly whinges about the housing crisis. FIX THE PROBLEM PIERRE. I want Trudeau out but PP isn’t the solution at all. The absolute fucking state of our country. Depressing.
Even if he stepped down, he's just the face for the same votes. And I don't know what to expect from the Liberals any more. They promised voting reform and reneged. They promised affordable housing and reneged. They promised an end to TFW's and reneged. They promised a change to Harper's policies re: climate change - and bought a pipeline to operate. But hey, legal weed? I don't expect a party to keep all its election promises, but reversing course to go in the opposite direction - on multiple promises - I just don't know what to expect. I don't know *what* they've done to earn another term in power.
I can imagine if asked his opinion on the poll, Justin would reply "We're working hard for the middle class, and those trying to reach it"
I am not sure it matters. The next leader they pick will be the same in a different wrapper. Trudeau is a sympton of a much bigger problem with the Liberal party and Canadian politics as a whole. The only thing his resignation accomplishes is soft-resetting public opinion by being able to throw all the blame out with his departure so everything can continue business-as-usual.
He should step down if he wants to give the libs a chance to save face and if not they have literally no chance in the next election, although it's already looking that way anyways.
I mean, yeah. Except my alternative is Pierre 😬 So now both my choices are hot garbage.
Some polling has the BQ as the official opposition with Liberals in 4th ahahahaha
Okay but the only alternatives at the moment are even worse, are they not?
No GDP growth during his term. He’s put Thai country on the edge of disaster
I just want to know from one Liberal voter: What do you expect to gain from backing a candidate that's now guaranteed to lose?
I'm surprised that anyone wants Liberals again... The whole party is a shambles, look at our twitching grinning deputy PM crackhead Freeloader. Singh actually is worse as he is an enabler and licking JT's boots while making sure he gets a pension. Fuck all of them for doing nothing.
We need vote reform and recall
who the F is still supporting this fool after all the change he's done to our once beautiful country?