Not really. A lot of boomers still have a family doctor. It is young adults who move to a new place that tend to lack a doctor / access to medical care.
Also, this is about "essential medical care" especially dementia. Most people in Canada get our essential needs met and have loved ones who will help us get our medical needs met in the system if we cannot function for ourselves.
Should the homeless with dementia / other mental health issues be in LTC facilities? I don't know.
I guess I got old. I did throw you into the young adult catagory (incorrectly).
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrfhsxxmdE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrfhsxxmdE)
This.
It's really very difficult to find a placement. Partner and I have been bounced around on multiple wait-lists for several years with no luck. Mid 40s, New Wesminster.
>your generation
>read the narrative
>all it took
Your comment is dripping with condescension, bias, and ignorance.
https://nationalpost.com/health/canada-family-doctor-shortage
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meet-the-canadians-without-a-family-doctor-1.7116475
https://globalnews.ca/news/9901922/canadians-family-doctor-shortage-cma-survey/
Not really. Contrary to reddit and *outrage* inducing clickbait online, most people have access to medical care when it comes down to it.
Even at times when I was between having an actual family doctor, walk-in clinics were able to deal with anything that came up, ordering tests, referrals, etc. I had no doubt that if I came down with something serious, that I'd be referred and treated in due course even in the absence of a family doctor.
I was just going to write this. I am all for helping homeless people and I do sympathize. But what am I supposed to do about it? I'm a paycheque away from joining them.
No they're not. Not everyone has a good life. Not everyone had a good childhood. Not everyone has good choices available to them. Housing costs an insane amount and renovations and landlord takeovers displace people and they can't afford elsewhere. Once you're down at that point it's impossible to escape and then people like you have to make things worse and blame them instead of understanding their situation. But hey, it's easier and quicker to judge than think and understand right?
Listen, I’m all for understanding. However, I know people personally that despite close ones offering to help to propel them, they refuse, continue to drink alcohol, quit their jobs whenever shit got hard, stop paying rent and then they end up blaming the whole world for their troubles.
Sure, you’re right, some people were unfortunate from the get go but there are LOTS who made bad decision on top of bad decision their entire lives. Why should I care about those people? At which point do we stop saying “oh poor them, they just had it rough”. Let’s not forget housing was not ALWAYS this insane. Lots of homeless are in their 50-60s so they did grow up in literally the most prosperous bullshit economy that my generation will never see again.
That's pretty much how I feel about all the charities.
Everyone's asking for money and I'm like, yo I need money too lol - or I'm gonna end up on the other side of this charity.
Simple solidarity, or just spending a moment of your time with them, perhaps with a treat, to just remind them that they aren't alone and that hope still exists.
What you personally should do is up to you, but I recommend not yielding to apathy.
Edit: to the downvoters yielding to apathy, what do you recommend? Citizen arresting the homeless? /s
The apathy is due to the drug use, crime and how resource intensive homeless people can be. I understand that they’re not all criminal addicts, however, a large portion of them are.
Can we look at the data as see what it says? OECD datasets are good fun for this:
[https://data-explorer.oecd.org/vis?tenant=archive&df\[ds\]=DisseminateArchiveDMZ&df\[id\]=DF\_HEALTH\_HCQI&df\[ag\]=OECD&dq=NLD%2BGBR%2BNOR%2BIRL%2BCAN.TIME18%2BTIME19%2BTIME20%2BTIME21%2BTIME22.IHWTHIPS.T..&to\[TIME\]=false&vw=tb](https://data-explorer.oecd.org/vis?tenant=archive&df[ds]=DisseminateArchiveDMZ&df[id]=DF_HEALTH_HCQI&df[ag]=OECD&dq=NLD%2BGBR%2BNOR%2BIRL%2BCAN.TIME18%2BTIME19%2BTIME20%2BTIME21%2BTIME22.IHWTHIPS.T..&to[TIME]=false&vw=tb)
This is a comparison of % of people getting surgery within 2 days after a hip fracture by country. Sort of "how well does your country help people in major car accidents" metric.
Since provinces are in charge of health care, a lot of the metrics are not tracked, but those that are tracked we seem to be doing fairly well.
Exactly as you said - those stats are incomplete.
The performance of healthcare across the country differs from region to region however overall non-emergency healthcare is subpar.
Preventative medicine is nearly unavailable in a significant number of regions and even cancer treatments can be delayed past a reasonable timeframe by either delays in diagnosis or available resources to operate.
In QC for example, nearly half the emergency visits can be expected to leave before seeing a doctor.
I agree. We need more beds per captia and more primary physicans per captia.
The overblown statement of "Every Canadian lacks essential healthcare" is wrong.
We do need to vote for more spending in health care. Trudeau just worked with the provinces to lock in a 5% increase per-year (it was a 3% increase previosly) for the next 5 years. Part of that deal was the provinces have prioritize primary physicians.
Then there are additional bi-lateral deals (Which I don't agree with). These are fed to one province deals which include tailored funding for different projects.
The Financial Accountabillity Office of Ontario has a great review of Ontario's spending plan. They update the review every 2 years:
[https://fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/health-2023](https://fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/health-2023)
Where you find things like this:
[https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig9.png](https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig9.png)
and this:
[https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig7.png](https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig7.png)
A person going from age 55 to 65 doubles the average health care costs. Then going from 65 to 75 doubles it again.
We have a large and growing elderly population. So we have to figure out what we are going to do about it.
When my father broke his hip they put in a pin that is too long and constantly hurts him so even when treated you might have to go back for something like this. He's living in pain now because he'd rather that than go the the whole ordeal again to get it corrected.
I find emergency care in Canada is fantastic. But it's hard to find data on preventative/ proactive care or people who need ongoing visits for their medical issues. We are reactive and not proactive when giving medical care.
Ie, I can go to the emergency room for appendicitis and be guaranteed surgery same day.
But what do I do as a person who suspects they might have cancer, or a herniated disc or are overweight and predisposed to diabetes? I find Canadians don't receive care for these issues until it's too late.
My friend waited 2 years for an MRI to check their back - waiting so long has ruined certain structures beyond repair. I've lost several friends to cancer who didn't have family doctors, were dismissed by walk-in clinics( or had to pay $200 for a cancer screen blood test and they gave up) and weren't diagnosed until they presented to the ER with late stage cancer symptoms at which point chemotherapy didn't work and they passed away.
What about the cost to taxpayers when a person with pre-diabetes could have been given proper care and health education to reverse their health condition but instead will cost taxpayers million of dollars in diabetic medication and their quality of life will be hindered till they die?
Of course people with a serious medical emergency are going to get seen right away. Triage 101.
It's the massive waitlists for diagnostics and specialists that tells the real story.
This is where we’re lacking, not catching things like cancer in its early stages due to lack of doctor that order imaging, backlogs for imaging and testing.
Wait, so all you Canadians who have been paying taxes expecting quality healthcare are now having to face being denied that because there aren't enough healthcare workers? Why didn't you import a million qualified doctors and nurses into your country?
Doesn't that apply to basically anyone else?
Not really. A lot of boomers still have a family doctor. It is young adults who move to a new place that tend to lack a doctor / access to medical care. Also, this is about "essential medical care" especially dementia. Most people in Canada get our essential needs met and have loved ones who will help us get our medical needs met in the system if we cannot function for ourselves. Should the homeless with dementia / other mental health issues be in LTC facilities? I don't know.
Define "young adults"? I'm in my mid 30s and none of my friends or coworkers have family doctors.
45, no family doctor
40, no doctor. 3 year old’s been on a wait list since born. Shit country. Fuck taxes if we can’t get services.
Mid thirties. Been waiting on a list for years. Havent had a family doctor since i left home at 18.
I guess I got old. I did throw you into the young adult catagory (incorrectly). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrfhsxxmdE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrfhsxxmdE)
58, have one, 1.5 stars on rate-md, runs faster than an average walk-in doctor.
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Yes. And our clinics keep closing. In the past ten years four clinics I've went to all closed. This is BC.
This. It's really very difficult to find a placement. Partner and I have been bounced around on multiple wait-lists for several years with no luck. Mid 40s, New Wesminster.
>your generation >read the narrative >all it took Your comment is dripping with condescension, bias, and ignorance. https://nationalpost.com/health/canada-family-doctor-shortage https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meet-the-canadians-without-a-family-doctor-1.7116475 https://globalnews.ca/news/9901922/canadians-family-doctor-shortage-cma-survey/
I know plenty of boomers without a doctor, once theirs retires they are stuck like the rest of us
Yes many of the family doctors that generation had have retired and they're ending up on the same lists as everyone else trying to find a new doctor.
Who cares if you have a family doctor if you can’t even see one when you need it? Appointments are 3-4 weeks out minimum. Completely unacceptable.
I’d kill for a 6 months wait. Literally kill.
Not really. Contrary to reddit and *outrage* inducing clickbait online, most people have access to medical care when it comes down to it. Even at times when I was between having an actual family doctor, walk-in clinics were able to deal with anything that came up, ordering tests, referrals, etc. I had no doubt that if I came down with something serious, that I'd be referred and treated in due course even in the absence of a family doctor.
so do plenty of taxpayers. Probably not gonna find much sympathy these days.
I was just going to write this. I am all for helping homeless people and I do sympathize. But what am I supposed to do about it? I'm a paycheque away from joining them.
A lot of them are in that situation due to poor decisions over the years. At some point, it’s hard to keep caring when you hear some of the stories.
No they're not. Not everyone has a good life. Not everyone had a good childhood. Not everyone has good choices available to them. Housing costs an insane amount and renovations and landlord takeovers displace people and they can't afford elsewhere. Once you're down at that point it's impossible to escape and then people like you have to make things worse and blame them instead of understanding their situation. But hey, it's easier and quicker to judge than think and understand right?
Listen, I’m all for understanding. However, I know people personally that despite close ones offering to help to propel them, they refuse, continue to drink alcohol, quit their jobs whenever shit got hard, stop paying rent and then they end up blaming the whole world for their troubles. Sure, you’re right, some people were unfortunate from the get go but there are LOTS who made bad decision on top of bad decision their entire lives. Why should I care about those people? At which point do we stop saying “oh poor them, they just had it rough”. Let’s not forget housing was not ALWAYS this insane. Lots of homeless are in their 50-60s so they did grow up in literally the most prosperous bullshit economy that my generation will never see again.
That's pretty much how I feel about all the charities. Everyone's asking for money and I'm like, yo I need money too lol - or I'm gonna end up on the other side of this charity.
Simple solidarity, or just spending a moment of your time with them, perhaps with a treat, to just remind them that they aren't alone and that hope still exists. What you personally should do is up to you, but I recommend not yielding to apathy. Edit: to the downvoters yielding to apathy, what do you recommend? Citizen arresting the homeless? /s
The apathy is due to the drug use, crime and how resource intensive homeless people can be. I understand that they’re not all criminal addicts, however, a large portion of them are.
Wait some of you get doctors??
Every Canadian lacks essential healthcare.
Hey, if you die early, the CPP's financial position gets stronger!
Can we look at the data as see what it says? OECD datasets are good fun for this: [https://data-explorer.oecd.org/vis?tenant=archive&df\[ds\]=DisseminateArchiveDMZ&df\[id\]=DF\_HEALTH\_HCQI&df\[ag\]=OECD&dq=NLD%2BGBR%2BNOR%2BIRL%2BCAN.TIME18%2BTIME19%2BTIME20%2BTIME21%2BTIME22.IHWTHIPS.T..&to\[TIME\]=false&vw=tb](https://data-explorer.oecd.org/vis?tenant=archive&df[ds]=DisseminateArchiveDMZ&df[id]=DF_HEALTH_HCQI&df[ag]=OECD&dq=NLD%2BGBR%2BNOR%2BIRL%2BCAN.TIME18%2BTIME19%2BTIME20%2BTIME21%2BTIME22.IHWTHIPS.T..&to[TIME]=false&vw=tb) This is a comparison of % of people getting surgery within 2 days after a hip fracture by country. Sort of "how well does your country help people in major car accidents" metric. Since provinces are in charge of health care, a lot of the metrics are not tracked, but those that are tracked we seem to be doing fairly well.
Exactly as you said - those stats are incomplete. The performance of healthcare across the country differs from region to region however overall non-emergency healthcare is subpar. Preventative medicine is nearly unavailable in a significant number of regions and even cancer treatments can be delayed past a reasonable timeframe by either delays in diagnosis or available resources to operate. In QC for example, nearly half the emergency visits can be expected to leave before seeing a doctor.
I agree. We need more beds per captia and more primary physicans per captia. The overblown statement of "Every Canadian lacks essential healthcare" is wrong. We do need to vote for more spending in health care. Trudeau just worked with the provinces to lock in a 5% increase per-year (it was a 3% increase previosly) for the next 5 years. Part of that deal was the provinces have prioritize primary physicians. Then there are additional bi-lateral deals (Which I don't agree with). These are fed to one province deals which include tailored funding for different projects. The Financial Accountabillity Office of Ontario has a great review of Ontario's spending plan. They update the review every 2 years: [https://fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/health-2023](https://fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/health-2023) Where you find things like this: [https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig9.png](https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig9.png) and this: [https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig7.png](https://fao-on.org/web/default/files/publications/FA2209%20Health%20Sector%20Spending%20Plan%20Review/en/fig7.png) A person going from age 55 to 65 doubles the average health care costs. Then going from 65 to 75 doubles it again. We have a large and growing elderly population. So we have to figure out what we are going to do about it.
When my father broke his hip they put in a pin that is too long and constantly hurts him so even when treated you might have to go back for something like this. He's living in pain now because he'd rather that than go the the whole ordeal again to get it corrected.
I find emergency care in Canada is fantastic. But it's hard to find data on preventative/ proactive care or people who need ongoing visits for their medical issues. We are reactive and not proactive when giving medical care. Ie, I can go to the emergency room for appendicitis and be guaranteed surgery same day. But what do I do as a person who suspects they might have cancer, or a herniated disc or are overweight and predisposed to diabetes? I find Canadians don't receive care for these issues until it's too late. My friend waited 2 years for an MRI to check their back - waiting so long has ruined certain structures beyond repair. I've lost several friends to cancer who didn't have family doctors, were dismissed by walk-in clinics( or had to pay $200 for a cancer screen blood test and they gave up) and weren't diagnosed until they presented to the ER with late stage cancer symptoms at which point chemotherapy didn't work and they passed away. What about the cost to taxpayers when a person with pre-diabetes could have been given proper care and health education to reverse their health condition but instead will cost taxpayers million of dollars in diabetic medication and their quality of life will be hindered till they die?
Of course people with a serious medical emergency are going to get seen right away. Triage 101. It's the massive waitlists for diagnostics and specialists that tells the real story.
This is where we’re lacking, not catching things like cancer in its early stages due to lack of doctor that order imaging, backlogs for imaging and testing.
So does most Canadians.
We all lack medical care 😂
Also lacks homes.
Canada's Population lacks essential medical care.
Gotta make sure our crackheads, immigrants and criminals are well taken care of.
You can remove about half of that headline and it will still be true. "Canada lacks essential medical care." There, I did it for you.
I mean it doesn't take being homeless to lack essential medical care... Many homed people are also suffering the same lack of services
It's nature's way.
I'd say there's always maid but you need referral from your doctor for maid
Wait, so all you Canadians who have been paying taxes expecting quality healthcare are now having to face being denied that because there aren't enough healthcare workers? Why didn't you import a million qualified doctors and nurses into your country?
They're driving taxis and waiting tables.
That cannot be true.
Well time to reunite billions of elder from another country!
Color me surprised
Welfare bumbs that expect healthcare but don’t contribute anything to it