They are Sakmanne. Live in caves on Table Mountain. Strict Vegans, smoke a lot of weed and sell herbal medicine. There are about 100 of them.
The bags they wear are them denouncing western culture
You have to go Ital- no meat, no salt, no yeast ++++
Hung out with them in Bonnievale a few times many years ago. Absolute scroungers and hippocrits. They put on this pious holy face, and then its NikNaks and coke around the corner. Also will go through your bag in no time but when their bags are full....
The commenter didn’t say invented. A lot of these clothes have print on them. In English. It hints at industrialism. So I get what they were aiming at in their comment.
If I had to speculate, I’d say that the choice of material has more to do with making use of natural un-dyed fibers, than with a specifically anti-Western protest. There may even be a belief that the cloth of the bags are made from hemp (i.e. cannabis plant fibers), even though most hessian is woven from jute. Or perhaps they have a selection method to find hessian made from hemp specifically?
As with all clothing, it may be more about appearances than anything else, though.
They don’t want to eat ‘normal’ food or wear ‘normal’ clothes because those are Western.
So to extend the argument to bags is not illogical.
Seems like you are the one who can’t follow basic logic
To assume bags are a western invention is insane.
How did you determine this? You’re saying before western culture people just used their hands? Taking hessian cloth and sewing it into a sack isn’t hard to do. Hessian cloth was invented in India so I’m interested to see how you got to a western invention.
Also western culture isn’t “normal”, purely by basis of frequency eastern culture is more prevalent and therefore “normal”.
Who said the bags are Western? I never insinuated that the bags are Western. The Hessian bags are not African nor local, so why do the Sakmanne wear them? That is my point. Or are they purely against Westerners? If so, my question is answered.
As for normality, I am aware that all things Western are not normal, hence the inverted commas. Most modern ‘normal’ clothes are based on Western styles though. Frequency is also not a good way to determine normality, a populist approach is often used.
You said the bags are european, while implying that their origin is western by talking about western clothes and western food, being normal.
Through basic logic you then came up with basic bullshit. Perhaps basic logic requires basic knowledge first, so you should go look for that.
Bags were also first found in Egypt making them African so your logic makes less sense.
The comment you literally first responded to said they reject western culture. Are you, curator of their culture, determining its ‘normal’ culture they reject?
Damn. The guy was right. Your brain is smooth.
> They don’t want to eat ‘normal’ food or wear ‘normal’ clothes because those are Western. So to extend the argument to bags is not illogical.
What exactly are you insinuating here if not that bags are western?
Well yea.. Sakmanne is an Afriikaans word. And in Afrikaans "sak" means bag and "manne" means men. They are men who wear bags, so bagmen. Pretty simple.
> Strict Vegans
> The bags they wear are them denouncing western culture
it is not possible to survive on a vegan diet without artificial supplements from the western culture
See them all the time, sometimes walking around town towards Atlantis. Don't know where they go from the edge of town, never directly seen them hitchhike nor walk outa town.
My experience of this group is that there are some who are genuinely good hearted and true to their culture. These are really cool people to interact with and support.
And then there are some who operate "in costume" (for lack of a better description), peddling hard drugs and generally not meaning well to the greater community.
I know this from lived experience, staying with a dodgy rasta for a short time in Muizenberg. Heard it straight from the mouth of a young "Sak Man".
I suppose this is true across many cultures and subcultures and don't mean to disparage these guys in any way. Just a reminder to not be fooled by appearances.
Back in the 90s and back there was a small group of them living out between ocean view & scarbourgh.
You used to see them hanging around off slangkop rd. never really saw them venture further than that.
Never saw them anywhere else and they were just assumed to be Rasta’s back then.
I spoke to two of them and they told me they wear the sack cloths either to repent or mourn and that not all of them wear the sack cloths since they wear it for as long as they believe they're done repenting or mourning.
Very easy to make from dried pulses and a few spices from atlas.
Google tadka dhal recipe it uses lentils. Too good. Chana dhal is using dried chickpeas and also really tasty.
I've seen Sakmanne as far as Laaiplek in the west Coast. They are everywhere my guy. Just be careful of their weed. It looks normal but kicks like a mule! 😂😂😂😂
They've always fascinated me. I'm very interested in local botany, medicine and herbalism. Any keepers of indigenous knowledge fascinate me.
As people have mentioned, Sakmanne are an offshoot of the Rastafarian movement. They place emphasis on African spirituality, a natural lifestyle, rejection of materialism, and a deep connection with the earth.
The Sakmanne have taken these Rastafarian principles a step further, completely renouncing material possessions and living minimally to highlight their spiritual dedication.
They often live in caves and shelters in nature, surviving off the vegetation they forage. They also usually sell indigenous medicinal herbs and plants in Cape Town's markets.
Their name, "Sakmanne" (Sackcloth People) comes from the simple hessian sackcloth garments they wear.
The Sakmanne are strictly vegetarian, in keeping with their beliefs about respecting all forms of life.
They place great importance on prayer and often smoke dagga as a part of their spiritual rituals.
Many see the Sakmanne as having a strong link to the ancient Khoisan people who were the original inhabitants of the Cape region. Their lifestyle and reliance on the natural world echo traditional Khoisan practices.
Because of their off-the-grid lifestyle, the Sakmanne often face challenges with authorities. They may lack permits for their street vending, leading to occasional run-ins with law enforcement.
Their appearance and lifestyle can sometimes lead to misunderstandings and misperceptions from the broader public.
Years and years ago in muizenberg there were twin brother and sister who used to wear clothing similar to this. My parents and everyone else in muizenberg called them the sack people. Their father owned “The Towers” building near muizenberg junior school and they used the place as a bed and breakfast/hostel type for years. They were German immigrants I think (I may be wrong) but they completely destroyed the place from what my parents told me.
Proper rastas are not this filthy... these guys are more like heavy ghetto rastas, very quick to get violent and use the best of the best cape town slang in all its variations
Total rubbish. This is their tenants they live by : The hungry must be fed. The naked must be clothed. The sick must be nourished. The aged must be protected. And all infants must be taken care of. Far superior to your shit culture you can bet on that.
Don't use phrases like " heavy ghetto rastas" That's not a phrase that describes anything in reality.
They are Sakmanne. Live in caves on Table Mountain. Strict Vegans, smoke a lot of weed and sell herbal medicine. There are about 100 of them. The bags they wear are them denouncing western culture
They dress like potatoes because they're always BAKED.
Hahahahhahahaha
Happy cake day 🎉🥳
r/Angryupvote
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Very true.......😂😂
Only 100?? I see them everywhere
>Strict Vegans, smoke a lot of weed This is literally me! Where do I sign up?
You have to go Ital- no meat, no salt, no yeast ++++ Hung out with them in Bonnievale a few times many years ago. Absolute scroungers and hippocrits. They put on this pious holy face, and then its NikNaks and coke around the corner. Also will go through your bag in no time but when their bags are full....
So they are not part of the system? Like they do not conform to the established norms or standards within our society (South Africa)?
They're rastas. Basically a subculture that lives differently to others
They seem as content buy a ticket to travel by electric train as I am, though, so they’re not exactly neo-luddites, either.
No ID, no birth certificate
Bullshit. I assisted a lot of them when i worked in a bank
Hell, I dunno maybe some do. I'm just going off what I read about them a few times.
Read about them where?
In a journal at the Cape Historical Society and a TimesLive article
Thanks a lot
But who made those bags originally? They look like typical potato bags made and used by europeans in the 18/1900’s
Because Europeans invented bags? You can’t be this dumb surely.
The commenter didn’t say invented. A lot of these clothes have print on them. In English. It hints at industrialism. So I get what they were aiming at in their comment. If I had to speculate, I’d say that the choice of material has more to do with making use of natural un-dyed fibers, than with a specifically anti-Western protest. There may even be a belief that the cloth of the bags are made from hemp (i.e. cannabis plant fibers), even though most hessian is woven from jute. Or perhaps they have a selection method to find hessian made from hemp specifically? As with all clothing, it may be more about appearances than anything else, though.
They don’t want to eat ‘normal’ food or wear ‘normal’ clothes because those are Western. So to extend the argument to bags is not illogical. Seems like you are the one who can’t follow basic logic
Lol white people think they invented everything. Having such a smooth brain must be tough.
Who said I’m white damn and Asian and whites did invent most lol
Actually bags were found as far back as ancient Egypt…but ok
To assume bags are a western invention is insane. How did you determine this? You’re saying before western culture people just used their hands? Taking hessian cloth and sewing it into a sack isn’t hard to do. Hessian cloth was invented in India so I’m interested to see how you got to a western invention. Also western culture isn’t “normal”, purely by basis of frequency eastern culture is more prevalent and therefore “normal”.
Who said the bags are Western? I never insinuated that the bags are Western. The Hessian bags are not African nor local, so why do the Sakmanne wear them? That is my point. Or are they purely against Westerners? If so, my question is answered. As for normality, I am aware that all things Western are not normal, hence the inverted commas. Most modern ‘normal’ clothes are based on Western styles though. Frequency is also not a good way to determine normality, a populist approach is often used.
You said the bags are european, while implying that their origin is western by talking about western clothes and western food, being normal. Through basic logic you then came up with basic bullshit. Perhaps basic logic requires basic knowledge first, so you should go look for that. Bags were also first found in Egypt making them African so your logic makes less sense. The comment you literally first responded to said they reject western culture. Are you, curator of their culture, determining its ‘normal’ culture they reject? Damn. The guy was right. Your brain is smooth.
> They don’t want to eat ‘normal’ food or wear ‘normal’ clothes because those are Western. So to extend the argument to bags is not illogical. What exactly are you insinuating here if not that bags are western?
I'm dead sakmanne phonetically translates in french to "bag-man"
Well yea.. Sakmanne is an Afriikaans word. And in Afrikaans "sak" means bag and "manne" means men. They are men who wear bags, so bagmen. Pretty simple.
Men of sacks
Lol, sacs of men
😂
Oh didn't know that !
That's Exactly what it means, but that's what we call them, I doubt they call themselves that
Sak-en-pak mense
And Afrikaans has a French influence...
I hope they are not connected to people ring barking trees in Newlands forest and elsewhere.
Thank you for this.
"The bags they wear are them denouncing western culture" "and sell herbal medicine" Something doesn't add up
How is herbal medicine western culture?
He assumed that transactions are exclusive to western cultures.
Happy cake day 🎉🎁
What doesn’t add up? You realise money isn’t a western cultural concept. Not sure what else you could mean?
> Strict Vegans > The bags they wear are them denouncing western culture it is not possible to survive on a vegan diet without artificial supplements from the western culture
Sakmanne - Rastafarian herbalists who live on the mountain and sell medicinal plants in the city
https://www.timeslive.co.za/sunday-times/lifestyle/2020-09-20-table-mountains-sackcloth-people-the-guardians-of-our-ancient-knowledge/
Interesting article, thanks for adding.
I’ve seen them in Malmesbury and Darling also, so they might not be exclusive to Table Mountain caves.
Yes they are always selling herbs on that corner opposite uSave in Darling
See them all the time, sometimes walking around town towards Atlantis. Don't know where they go from the edge of town, never directly seen them hitchhike nor walk outa town.
There’s some in Stellenbosch too, so it seems like their beliefs are spreading.
Fr? Where? I don't remember seeing them around campus, unless it's by the taxi rank side cos I barely walk there
By the picknpay on Bird Street, they’re just outside, in the parking lot, selling their herbs
Ohhh yeah nah I remember now, I probably just assumed they were homeless when I saw them
Also seen some in Rawsonville.
My experience of this group is that there are some who are genuinely good hearted and true to their culture. These are really cool people to interact with and support. And then there are some who operate "in costume" (for lack of a better description), peddling hard drugs and generally not meaning well to the greater community. I know this from lived experience, staying with a dodgy rasta for a short time in Muizenberg. Heard it straight from the mouth of a young "Sak Man". I suppose this is true across many cultures and subcultures and don't mean to disparage these guys in any way. Just a reminder to not be fooled by appearances.
the aiyas
Probably the newest line from Balenciaga
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The High Sparrow is their leader.
Lmao.
Got a video of them captured on CCTV stealing my one neighbors plants from their garden.
Yes, I had one steal from me in the past. Being Rasta should make you less of a criminal (peace/love and all that) but not in SA.
Let me know when you find out.. I also want to know the story behind them
Rastas.
Wherever you see them, you know you can get cheese ;)
Literally no. They almost never sell weed.
my bru, idk where you're chilling but I reckon 4/5 have PROACTIVELY tried to sell me weed 😂
Literally who I buy my weed from, so...
Obviously not to you though 😂
Cape Town seems like another country ngl
They are all over the WC
Back in the 90s and back there was a small group of them living out between ocean view & scarbourgh. You used to see them hanging around off slangkop rd. never really saw them venture further than that. Never saw them anywhere else and they were just assumed to be Rasta’s back then.
Still around the area, one dude is always in Kalk Bay
I spoke to two of them and they told me they wear the sack cloths either to repent or mourn and that not all of them wear the sack cloths since they wear it for as long as they believe they're done repenting or mourning.
I can see them itching for knowledge
Loooool.
Arent they rasta's?
Yes and no, they are sakman
Just go to Eastern Food Bazaar. There's always one or two of them there. Don't blame them, the lentil dhal is fab
Very easy to make from dried pulses and a few spices from atlas. Google tadka dhal recipe it uses lentils. Too good. Chana dhal is using dried chickpeas and also really tasty.
KanYE or Balenciaga mustn’t see this one
Already on Kanyes inspo board
I've seen Sakmanne as far as Laaiplek in the west Coast. They are everywhere my guy. Just be careful of their weed. It looks normal but kicks like a mule! 😂😂😂😂
https://www.timeslive.co.za/amp/sunday-times/lifestyle/2020-09-20-table-mountains-sackcloth-people-the-guardians-of-our-ancient-knowledge/
They've always fascinated me. I'm very interested in local botany, medicine and herbalism. Any keepers of indigenous knowledge fascinate me. As people have mentioned, Sakmanne are an offshoot of the Rastafarian movement. They place emphasis on African spirituality, a natural lifestyle, rejection of materialism, and a deep connection with the earth. The Sakmanne have taken these Rastafarian principles a step further, completely renouncing material possessions and living minimally to highlight their spiritual dedication. They often live in caves and shelters in nature, surviving off the vegetation they forage. They also usually sell indigenous medicinal herbs and plants in Cape Town's markets. Their name, "Sakmanne" (Sackcloth People) comes from the simple hessian sackcloth garments they wear. The Sakmanne are strictly vegetarian, in keeping with their beliefs about respecting all forms of life. They place great importance on prayer and often smoke dagga as a part of their spiritual rituals. Many see the Sakmanne as having a strong link to the ancient Khoisan people who were the original inhabitants of the Cape region. Their lifestyle and reliance on the natural world echo traditional Khoisan practices. Because of their off-the-grid lifestyle, the Sakmanne often face challenges with authorities. They may lack permits for their street vending, leading to occasional run-ins with law enforcement. Their appearance and lifestyle can sometimes lead to misunderstandings and misperceptions from the broader public.
These guys sell the most potent aphrodisiac on earth, I got a 9hr bonner.
/s right ? If not im curious what you ingested... You know. For science 🧪
Years and years ago in muizenberg there were twin brother and sister who used to wear clothing similar to this. My parents and everyone else in muizenberg called them the sack people. Their father owned “The Towers” building near muizenberg junior school and they used the place as a bed and breakfast/hostel type for years. They were German immigrants I think (I may be wrong) but they completely destroyed the place from what my parents told me.
I’ve never seen a sak woman! Always men in my experience
I remember heading about them. I think one of the siblings died. This was many years ago.
Yeah the sister died and the brother cleaned himself up and changed his dress style
Honeslty, I feel like I should make a documentary about them, they look kool fr
You must be new to this...they are not kool at all
OMYYY really !? Spill the tea on them. I'm not from Capetown and have only been there twice so I'm not familiar 🤣
Please 🙏
Saw a few in Tulbagh too.
Die sakmanne.
https://youtu.be/8shfkmLj4fc?si=KxNAEjwbv4asT62h
Saw some in jhb cbd a few weeks back as well, they are are spreading lol.
are there women in this community 🤔
Please hide this from Kanye
Staysoft for the win
Proper rastas are not this filthy... these guys are more like heavy ghetto rastas, very quick to get violent and use the best of the best cape town slang in all its variations
Total rubbish. This is their tenants they live by : The hungry must be fed. The naked must be clothed. The sick must be nourished. The aged must be protected. And all infants must be taken care of. Far superior to your shit culture you can bet on that. Don't use phrases like " heavy ghetto rastas" That's not a phrase that describes anything in reality.
Tenets
I wanna bet, that you haven't even lived in a ghetto, i have for yrs, i speak from experience...so shut the fuck up with your tangent
Rasta!!
Maybe the shit's just comfortable 🤷🏼♂️
looks itchy AF
I’ve never seen them in my life
Do you live in cape town. They are all over cape town.
Jy bly onder n dak, ek leef in n sak; blah blah blah ek rook baie twak
En trap heeldag in die kak
Word gejaag deur n brak
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Did he also have the "Self-raising" swimming trunks?
I saw them in moselbay and George side, they have a different jaw line say head pattern 🤔 who agrees?
It’s weird how people in 2024 still find this ok