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This needs to be an auto-reply to these types of posts. I'm all for discussion but so often the analysis would literally answer OPs question precisely and instantly.
But then how far do you go, some of them generate good discussion that I learn something from. You might as well say never ask anything on Reddit, just use Google/chat gpt
what if I don't want to calm down? Martin Luthor king jr. once said: "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired". There are plenty of subreddits that are available spaces for players of any game level. Why does the fact that a subreddit is designed for beginner chess players immediately excuse a lack of basic competence? If you don't understand how to look at a game board for 5 seconds before posting about it on the internet, then maybe you don't deserve the answer.
Because for a beginner, it is not basic competence. I’m sorry that not everyone is as wonderfully blessed in this game as you are, some people geniunely don’t know better.
Again, Beginners is the thing here. These are people that are replicating what they see, like toddlers learning to speak. They don’t think about it. Not in the same way average and above players do. If you don’t want to see beginner level problems, maybe don’t be in a beginner level subreddit. If you are sick and tired of people asking obvious questions, don’t be in a subreddit for beginners.
Another comment pointed this out, but black can then play Nf6, which effectively traps the queen in the corner. (The queen could either take the bishop or knight before getting taken itself, but it's still a net loss for white.)
Yes. Also you technically use 11 points in order to block a queen worth 9 points. Losing the rook+ having your bishop pinned+ using knight to trap the queen. The other side would technically be at an advantage
I've allowed the rook capture in several very similar positions with the assumption I was going to eventually win the queen in a few games, and never was I actually able to nail it down (confirmed by analysis that I never had a true opportunity). Queens are slippery, especially if the nearby pawns are double isolated flank pawns.
How? It's on its starting square and has been for the whole game.
Edit: okay, I'll come clean. I actually didn't see the knight at first either, BUT I would never play Bh6 because pattern recognition has taught me that it's a blunder because the bishop is hanging, and that was true even though I didn't consciously notice the knight.
>Thats called hope chess. You should never play hope chess.
Unless you're quite behind, in which case "hope chess" is called "trying to pull off a [swindle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swindle_(chess))".
As others have said, the Knight takes is the immediate answer here.
But your development is really weak here. In general when you launch early attacks at the expense of development you’re going to get punished.
not to mention that this is quite literally an example of hope chess, meaning that you play moves and HOPE that your opponent responds a specific way. if they don't respond that specific way, then you're losing. here, op HOPES that his opponent takes with the pawn. but as you said, if they take with the knight then OP is simply losing
its not hope chess if the op played it simply because they thought it was a good move
then its just a blunder
and imma be honest i did NOT see that horsie cuz i blind as hell
that's exactly what hope chess is: a blunder
op DID think it was a good move because he had hopes that his opponent would take the bishop with the pawn
i think that hope chess is purely contextual lol
i think he thought that the only way they could take it is with the pawn and that if offered a free bishop with only 1 way to take it, theyd take it
in which case, its just a regular blunder
if it was hope chess i dont think theyd be posting here asking why its a blunder
i do see what you mean but regardless, op was HOPING that his opponent would take with the pawn. note that it's a hope because his opponent isn't obligated to take it
op said they didnt see the knight so op thought that the only way to take it was the pawn
just a good ol' fashioned blunder imo
hope is when you play hoping that the opponent messes up
they just make mistake
>hope is when you play hoping that the opponent messes up
that's...exactly what OP did. He put his bishop there hoping that the opponent would take with the pawn. If they did that, they would have messed up. this literally fits your definition.
Yeah, I know my development was pretty bad. I was playing the London, but then. It turned into this. thanks though for the tip to prioritize development.
How is it not a blunder? To me it looks like black can just take the bishop for free with the knight.
I don't see any sort of follow up for white.
White is not losing after this move as they were already up a piece, but they gave away a lot of their advantage.
Even if they take with the pawn, Knight to f6 traps the queen in the corner. Essentially making it useless or forcing you to trade the queen for a lesser piece
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I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=r1bqkbnr/pp3ppp/7B/3p4/3Q4/5N2/PP2PPPP/RN2KB1R+b+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/r1bqkbnr/pp3ppp/7B/3p4/3Q4/5N2/PP2PPPP/RN2KB1R_b_KQkq_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nxh6!<
> Evaluation: >!White is better +1.12!<
> Best continuation: >!1... Nxh6 2. Nc3 Qa5 3. Qxd5 Bb4 4. Qxa5 Bxa5 5. Rc1 Be6 6. a3 Rc8 7. e3 Ke7 8. Nd4 Nf5 9. Nxe6!<
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Supposing you were going after the rook in the corner, if they take the bishop, Qxh8, then Nf6 traps the queen.
Then can also capture your bishop with the knight
This, at first, seems like a great move. You threaten to take the pawn on g7, and win the rook, while also threatening to take it as well if they take your bishop with the pawn. One problem: There's a knight that can also take, rendering this attack pointless.
I’m guessing the thought process was he takes with the pawn I’ll take his rook and maybe another piece if he blunders. But what happens if he takes with the knight? You have no follow
Side question: Is it considered wrong or in bad form here to simply check with the queen and permanently turn off white's ability to castle, THEN take the bishop with the knight? I don't see why that wouldn't be recommended here. Does that lose?
Oh nevermind, they just move the bishop if you do that.
Knight can take and that's just a loss of a bishop. If they do miss it though and take with the pawn, you may not want to take the rook as Nf6 traps the queen.
This is a little off topic but how do all these posts have those messages telling the player if they did poorly/well? Is there like a chess app that teaches you how to play as you do it?
I stumbled upon this subreddit from main and I've been getting curious. Chess is daunting but this actually looks really interesting and helpful.
Should've approached with knight THEN bishop because then it'd be protected byt you are in a position to take that pawn but your bishop gets fucked over by the enemies bishop right after
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If you hit "Show moves" it'll show you the sequence that makes it losing. You can even click on the moves to watch it play out on the board.
This needs to be an auto-reply to these types of posts. I'm all for discussion but so often the analysis would literally answer OPs question precisely and instantly.
It already is one of auto replies
Redditors never read auto replies
Unsurprisingly tbh
But then how far do you go, some of them generate good discussion that I learn something from. You might as well say never ask anything on Reddit, just use Google/chat gpt
Tbf at my elo (500) "show moves" option shows moves I would have never seen the player make.
Then u create the position in analyze, play what u think response would be, and see how stockfish would punish it
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“Missed mate in 19”
When I click show moves it asks me to pay money.
Wow! I didn't realize. Thanks for saying this.
Today we learned how the horsie moves
Just taught my 4-year old yesterday. Surprisingly not that difficult to understand.
Yea till they start moving backwards. Still gets me from time to time and I'm fairly up there.
Sometimes I forget pawns can go forward. I'm not kidding.
I've had at least two puzzles with a coach where, spending 5+ minutes before realizing I'm reading the board backward.
That’s literally the only way they can go, how the hell does that even happen
Once it's in the middle game, they can start to be part of the scenery for me while I focus on moving the big boys around.
>still gets me >fairly up there I'm sorry but these seem contradictory. What do you mean by "fairly up there" ?
I'm in a top percentage on those interwebz sites.
Arent you just the coolest...
Are you sure? Even Andrea Botez doesn't understand it she had to ask the former world champion
Imma be honest, I forgot about the knight at first too when I was analyzing this.
Oh damn. I was analysing that they'll play f6 and you just lose tempo, lol.
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I love how the flair ELO’s increase along with the oversights
funny that the first move that drawed my attention was knight takes h6 and I was so confused because I couldn't find any good response lmao
knight be like itadakimasu
I was thinking about how the knight could potentially trap the queen after like 5 moves lol. I overthink things so much
Damn same
Knight takes
Thanks didn’t see the knight
yeah try looking harder before posting.
reminder this is r/chessbeginners Calm down
what if I don't want to calm down? Martin Luthor king jr. once said: "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired". There are plenty of subreddits that are available spaces for players of any game level. Why does the fact that a subreddit is designed for beginner chess players immediately excuse a lack of basic competence? If you don't understand how to look at a game board for 5 seconds before posting about it on the internet, then maybe you don't deserve the answer.
Because for a beginner, it is not basic competence. I’m sorry that not everyone is as wonderfully blessed in this game as you are, some people geniunely don’t know better. Again, Beginners is the thing here. These are people that are replicating what they see, like toddlers learning to speak. They don’t think about it. Not in the same way average and above players do. If you don’t want to see beginner level problems, maybe don’t be in a beginner level subreddit. If you are sick and tired of people asking obvious questions, don’t be in a subreddit for beginners.
I am sorry that the toddlers in this subreddit aren't as wonderfully blessed as me.
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After which Qxh8
no, if the pawn takes it queen takes rook
Ah
Why y'all downvoting him. He just didn't see that.
He isn’t even wrong. The pawn can still take it.
Yeah but if it did queen takes rook, and black has no defense against it
Updoot
Queen takes rook
Even without the knight, the pawn can still get it, it's a blunder because you're giving them a bishop and getting nothing in exchange
OPs intention was to get the rook by opening up the pawn by them taking the bishop
If the pawn takes, you take the rook with the queen.
Another comment pointed this out, but black can then play Nf6, which effectively traps the queen in the corner. (The queen could either take the bishop or knight before getting taken itself, but it's still a net loss for white.)
You can trap the queen this way but it isn’t actually easy to attack it so there is the possibility to escape later on
Yes. Also you technically use 11 points in order to block a queen worth 9 points. Losing the rook+ having your bishop pinned+ using knight to trap the queen. The other side would technically be at an advantage
I've allowed the rook capture in several very similar positions with the assumption I was going to eventually win the queen in a few games, and never was I actually able to nail it down (confirmed by analysis that I never had a true opportunity). Queens are slippery, especially if the nearby pawns are double isolated flank pawns.
How? It's on its starting square and has been for the whole game. Edit: okay, I'll come clean. I actually didn't see the knight at first either, BUT I would never play Bh6 because pattern recognition has taught me that it's a blunder because the bishop is hanging, and that was true even though I didn't consciously notice the knight.
Why’s this downvoted
You just give them a free bishop.
Yeah but I didn’t want that bishop anyway.
You should send it on vacation!
It would never come back though.
knightmare fuel!
got knightmares? better call exorcists
Ignite the bed
do you mean vatican?
*the bishop leaves the board and goes on a vacation to Paris, diagonally of course*
Nah, man, when bishops leave the Vatican they only go to Avignon.
based
he was a sinner
That's 3k elo gaming tbh
If they took the bishop with the pawn, I would’ve taken the rook with my queen. That was my thought process.
They can take the bishop with the knight
Even if it went like that, they play Nf6 and your queen is trapped. It’s still winning for you but in low Elo an active queen is more beneficial.
The best move for black is to take with knight Nxh6. Although f6 simply counters your attack as well and your bishop gets kicked indirectly.
Thats called hope chess. You should never play hope chess.
Hope Bullet however....
>Thats called hope chess. You should never play hope chess. Unless you're quite behind, in which case "hope chess" is called "trying to pull off a [swindle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swindle_(chess))".
It’s not a blunder. It’s a gambit.
Even if the knight wasn't there Black could play queen to f6 and you'll also be a piece down shortly.
As others have said, the Knight takes is the immediate answer here. But your development is really weak here. In general when you launch early attacks at the expense of development you’re going to get punished.
not to mention that this is quite literally an example of hope chess, meaning that you play moves and HOPE that your opponent responds a specific way. if they don't respond that specific way, then you're losing. here, op HOPES that his opponent takes with the pawn. but as you said, if they take with the knight then OP is simply losing
its not hope chess if the op played it simply because they thought it was a good move then its just a blunder and imma be honest i did NOT see that horsie cuz i blind as hell
that's exactly what hope chess is: a blunder op DID think it was a good move because he had hopes that his opponent would take the bishop with the pawn
i think that hope chess is purely contextual lol i think he thought that the only way they could take it is with the pawn and that if offered a free bishop with only 1 way to take it, theyd take it in which case, its just a regular blunder if it was hope chess i dont think theyd be posting here asking why its a blunder
i do see what you mean but regardless, op was HOPING that his opponent would take with the pawn. note that it's a hope because his opponent isn't obligated to take it
op said they didnt see the knight so op thought that the only way to take it was the pawn just a good ol' fashioned blunder imo hope is when you play hoping that the opponent messes up they just make mistake
Theres multiple definitions of hope chess. One of them is that you dont consider all possible replies
>hope is when you play hoping that the opponent messes up that's...exactly what OP did. He put his bishop there hoping that the opponent would take with the pawn. If they did that, they would have messed up. this literally fits your definition.
but they didn't hope the opponent didn't take with the knight, they forgot about the knight, they didnt hope for anything
??? i literally just said that they hoped opponent takes with pawn. the extent to which redditors deliberately misconstrue things amazes me!
It’s still hoping they take bishop with pawn. They could also advance any other piece too and now this decision is for naught
But not all blunders are hope. (not all dogs are beagles, etc.)
To be fair, black's development is even worse, even after ...Nxh6
Yeah, I know my development was pretty bad. I was playing the London, but then. It turned into this. thanks though for the tip to prioritize development.
Google "horse"
Google "le cheval"
Your bishop is undefended, so this move loses material.
knights in the corner are grim but not when you can win free bishops!
Google corner
knights on the rims are dim
How is it not a blunder? To me it looks like black can just take the bishop for free with the knight. I don't see any sort of follow up for white. White is not losing after this move as they were already up a piece, but they gave away a lot of their advantage.
I was blind and didn’t see the horse, but I was hoping they would take with the pawn and then I would take the rook with the queen
For future reference, hope chess is a really really bad way to play.
It would have been a fine move if they took with the pawn.
Even if they take with the pawn, Knight to f6 traps the queen in the corner. Essentially making it useless or forcing you to trade the queen for a lesser piece
Yea, she might get in trouble down the line. Still wins an exchange before that though.
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Press show move
Let me ask you this, how does a knight move?
Violently
Working on the knight moves
thats a thats a good question,it generally moves like an L.Some times in bliz games it can be very unpredictibale
“Your bishop is undefended, so this move loses material” What’s the question
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=r1bqkbnr/pp3ppp/7B/3p4/3Q4/5N2/PP2PPPP/RN2KB1R+b+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/r1bqkbnr/pp3ppp/7B/3p4/3Q4/5N2/PP2PPPP/RN2KB1R_b_KQkq_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nxh6!< > Evaluation: >!White is better +1.12!< > Best continuation: >!1... Nxh6 2. Nc3 Qa5 3. Qxd5 Bb4 4. Qxa5 Bxa5 5. Rc1 Be6 6. a3 Rc8 7. e3 Ke7 8. Nd4 Nf5 9. Nxe6!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
op needs new glasses
What elo are you?
450 started playing in December
Supposing you were going after the rook in the corner, if they take the bishop, Qxh8, then Nf6 traps the queen. Then can also capture your bishop with the knight
Knightmere fuel
Knight takes
he can take with knight
Enemy can take with knight
it can be taken with knight
On a totally unrelated note wtf is your opponent doing playing b6 for rather than taking the completely free bishop.
I may not be GOOD at chess, but i'm confused as to what the everloving god you were doing there
I was hoping pawn takes and my queen takes rook
What is the plan after Nxh6..?
I didn’t see that night I was betting on the pawn and then I would take the rook
So...that is why Bh6 was a blunder.
See that little button saying show moves? Press it.
Google how the knight moves Answer to your question: What are you planning to do after knight takes bishop?
Nf6
Knight takes bishop and that's it
Weird question but what app is this? Seems good for learning
Chess.com after your game hit game review
lmao, my thought process was after gxh6 and Qxh8, Nf6 locks the queen. Didn't see that black can just take the bishop with the knight.
This, at first, seems like a great move. You threaten to take the pawn on g7, and win the rook, while also threatening to take it as well if they take your bishop with the pawn. One problem: There's a knight that can also take, rendering this attack pointless.
I’m guessing the thought process was he takes with the pawn I’ll take his rook and maybe another piece if he blunders. But what happens if he takes with the knight? You have no follow
Ah, the "Mayan human sacrifice" move. Classic
My guess is Knight takes bishop and you gain nothing from it?
your opponent also forgot the knight exists
The pawn diagonal to your bishop can easily kill it
Your bishop is undefended so you're losing material
Because you hung a bishop
If ur plan was to sack ur bishop to get the castle you will trap ur queen by him moving his paw up.
Horsie takes church man
horse takes?
Why did u let the bot analyze if ur not gonna read what it says
What's your plan when he takes with that knight instead of the pawn?
Knight to H6
Press the "show moves" button
Idk - why don’t you try the “show moves” button?
Kxh6 is how.
The black pawn can take the bishop
that's not quite it. 1. Bh6 gxh6 2. Qxh8 and white is winning However, after 1. Bh6 Nxh6, black has lost a bishop for no reason
Ah, I am also new to chess so I stated what I saw
it's ok, we all startsomewhere! good luck on your journey up the ranks!
Because they can take with the knight
Pawn takes bishop/ knight takes bishop blunder cause you lose a valuable piece to a pawn.
I mean you blundered cause knight takes but the next few moves by your opponent are insane blunders.
knight can capture the bishop and now you lose a bishop.
Nxh6…black doesnt have to do gxh6
Horsie go brrrr
Chess.com engine are not known for their accuracy especially at this level
Queentrap after xh6 qxh8 kf6
You win a room but the game shows you blunder w bishop because it is undefended
Kxh6
Bishop goes bye bye
I always forget about the knight too
Side question: Is it considered wrong or in bad form here to simply check with the queen and permanently turn off white's ability to castle, THEN take the bishop with the knight? I don't see why that wouldn't be recommended here. Does that lose? Oh nevermind, they just move the bishop if you do that.
Nxh6
Qa5 or knight take
Even if they do take with the pawn, after Qxh8, Nf6 traps the queen
Knight takes
horsie
Knight can take and that's just a loss of a bishop. If they do miss it though and take with the pawn, you may not want to take the rook as Nf6 traps the queen.
Qd5+ Be7 Qxg7 material win
You thought that he is going to take with the pawn, okay, but then still if you take his rook then Kf6 traps your queen
Cxh6
Bishop went on vacation and never returned.
everyone's talking about the knight, even without that knight, couldnt the pawn just take it???
Well yes but if the pawn takes, the queen can capture the rook.
ooh, yeah i forgot about that
Meanwhile knight
Bing search knight moves
Your bishop is undefended, so this move loses material.
Pawn takes
Besides being the most obvious sacrifice the game of chess has ever seen? Nothing…
This is a little off topic but how do all these posts have those messages telling the player if they did poorly/well? Is there like a chess app that teaches you how to play as you do it? I stumbled upon this subreddit from main and I've been getting curious. Chess is daunting but this actually looks really interesting and helpful.
You giving away a bishop?
Should've approached with knight THEN bishop because then it'd be protected byt you are in a position to take that pawn but your bishop gets fucked over by the enemies bishop right after
I did this before because I also forgot about the knight. Thankfully so did they