Yes, your car was broken into, your grandmother just passed, and your house burnt down, but are you aware that there's a LiTtErAl Gen0CiD3 going on?!?!?!?
You’re complaining about genocide? Aren’t you aware that day by day the human race uses more and more limited recourses and pumps more and more CO2 into the atmosphere and that it will eventually result in a global recession in which hundreds of millions will die?
You’re upset about the loss of a single race of life??
God you’re selfish. Aren’t you aware that in only a few quadrillion millennia, we will reach the heat death of the universe and all of existence will be wiped away?
1943: "Hey John, nice weather today eh?"
"The Jewish people are still being holocausted in Germany's concentration camps."
"Alright John, have a good one."
Uhhhhhh...remembrance day was the first time any soldier ever saw one so....
How about:
"There are Americans marching for that Bratworst in Madison Square Garden"
Journalists already knew about the concentration camps before that though, right?
I thought the London Times had articles about the holocaust in like... 1942 that were like: "MASSACRE OF JEWS—OVER 1,000,000 DEAD SINCE THE WAR BEGAN"
Did I remember that wrong or am I correct?
I recently visited the Holocaust and the Americans museum at my local library, and you are correct. America knew Germany was genociding Jews since ~1941, but they didn’t know the true extent (like death factories) until the concentration camps were liberated in 1945
Yeah, I can imagine that being hard to actually quantify until you actually set boots on the land. I saw videos of soldiers loading the remains of victims of the holocaust onto trucks to bury them. That shit is burned on my retina. How fucking horrible that must have been to experience being send as a soldier that was sent overseas.
When visiting concentration camps for the first time, it’s reported that even Eisenhower himself vomited from the absolute horror of what he saw. Even Patton, who generally wasn’t shook by much, reported feeling nauseous at the sight of the mass graves they uncovered
More like...
1950: "Hey John, nice weather today, eh?"
"The Soviets have built their first atomic bomb and we're all going to die."
"Alright John, have a good one."
Are we involved in all of them? Ofcourse virtue signalling is a thing, but there's a genuine reason why people focus on Palestine when US money directly goes to funding their military.
I mean, we also send billions of dollars of military support to Saudi Arabia, but for some unknown, undeterminable reason the Yemeni genocide doesn’t get nearly as much coverage
I think that's fair. Ofcourse public discussion matters in these cases. Israel is all over the media, Yemen isn't.
And that influences what people shout about. Apart from leftists very few people mention Yemen. And in a sense it's 100% influenced by that.
That doesn't mean it's a bad thing it's mentioned however. I don't think this was a good case to bring it up, but being more aware of where our money goes to will eventually increase attention towards what's happening in Yemen too.
How is what is happening in yemen a genocide?
It's a military intervention requested by the rightful government of Yemen that, by the way, was supported by hamas.
Yeah, 99% this was rage bait. Although you know, that 1% always exists because there's lots of different people out there.
And either way, at this point we're just using this subreddit to post political posts lmao. This isn't a fucking snafu.
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide)
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-rule-urgent-measures-gaza-genocide-case-2024-01-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-rule-urgent-measures-gaza-genocide-case-2024-01-26/)
We would never admit it to ourselves if we were supporting something so heinous. I'm not saying I agree with the tweet, but there's nuance here that's important.
I’m as pro-Palestine as they come, and I don’t even dispute the labelling of the current situation as a genocide. But I think what we’re seeing here is Twitter leftists having an existential crisis over the fact that they are literally powerless to do anything about this injustice. This is the most powerful country in the Middle East being backed by the most powerful country in the world, the best they think they can do is bully people for buying Starbucks and trying to defend trans rights against republicans.
"Ugh, slavery has existed for thousands of years, why did John Brown only start caring in the last few years and not 1000 years ago?"
Ofcourse there'll be people virtue signalling, but come on - ofcourse people are going to focus on it more considering recent developments. Things are escalating and neither the activists nor the children being bombed were born during 80 years ago.
I'm fine with people focusing more on it, it deserves to be focused on, but I am really tired of ignorant white lefties making this their entire identity just like libs did with Ukraine. Like I genuinely think most of these people don't even know that Gaza isn't the only genocide that's happening right now or that the genocide didn't start on October 7th and they refuse to talk about anything else. I mean for God's sake, a lot of these people are supporting the Houthis even though they're literally blocking aid from reaching Darfur which is experiencing their own genocide.
I don't wanna get into a huge argument or anything here, I just think that people need to have a personality and stop making issues they barely understand into their entire identity.
This is the second time I've seen someone do shit like this under a tweet by fucking Elmo
Elmo: Yeah baby! Elmo is so excited it's the weekend!
Thor Benson: Do you think the president is racist, Elmo?
Listen I’ll start caring about genocides the day I can gamble on the outcomes. But real talk I don’t even like the lions but they got robbed last night I feel bad for their fans. Hopefully next year they can make it to the Super Bowl.
\> something something football team lost and feel slightly frustrated about it
\> ACKtually chud there's a genocide going on and you MUST always be thinking about ze current thing 24/7
do leftists really?
There is no genocide going on. There is a bloody war where one side makes extreme and cruel use of human shields while targeting their own weapons at civilians, but that is hardly a genocide. If it were to be counted as a genocide, though, the genocide would be on the other side from what you think it is.
Human shields has lost its meaning, Israel gets to just say "human shields" with no evidence and just bomb all hospitals, schools, universities, refugee camps, power grids and water supplies with no questions, and people like you eat up propaganda and believe that there is no ethnic cleansing going on.
fair enough and I can see how that can just be used as an excuse to bomb palastinian homes but hamas has been doing this shit for ages and actually used these tactics to make israel look bad. hamas always does some wild ass shit like launching a gorrilion rockets at israel and doing a full armed uprising but whenever israel pushes back hard they will slink back into Palestinian population and covertly continue their operations.
I think we need to look at each situation of isreal bombing these places and see whether if it was a reasonable response to Hamas activity since israel has been doing a cultural genocide to the Palestinians even before this whole incident and I wouldn't put it past them to use hamas as an excuse to doing a full scale genocide.
I see your point, however, it completely fails when you realize that Israel is the one that started killing innocents decades before Hamas was formed, it is not Israel fighting back against Hamas, it is Hamas fighting back against Israel.
>but hamas has been doing this shit for ages and actually used these tactics to make israel look bad.
Look bad to who? The western media never reports deaths in Palestine, and anyone not in the west (except India) supports Palestine, they gain nothing by letting innocents die.
You see Hamas as a military, and that's the problem, Hamas are a resistance group, and just like the Polish Resistance in WWII, they don't "live among civilians", they ARE civilians, they can't make a military base because they don't have the funding for one, it is just civilians who picked up a gun to fight back against their oppressor, not some kind of giant military organization.
hamas and other terrorist organizations originally started as an reaction to a rising jewish state and after they got btfo'd when trying to take over israel's land. the oppression and genocide israel was doing didn't exist as long as these terrorist groups did and while isreal's actions did increase the amount of people joining these terrorist organizations they did not start them.
israel was fine with a two state solution between the two groups but Palestine did not want that and attacked israel alongside with multiple Muslim nations. the reason for the beef between Palestine and israel is to mostly blame on palestine for attacking israel. I am not supporting israel and its horrid actions, I believe they should not have oppressed the Palestinian people as they just increased the violence between them and gave hamas more supporters but hamas and the other terrorists groups in israel are not freedom fighters fighting against oppression they are a anti Semitic group of religious extremists who would happily exterminate the jewish population if they got their hands on them and it clearly shows in their attacks where they intentionally target civilians.
you can support Palestine and be against israel but do not make these terrorist organizations out to freedom fighters when their very existence was the destruction of israel and the death of the jewish population in israel because they couldn't handle losing after being imperialistic assholes.
dude hamas intentionally hides in civilian buildings knowing that israel will blow them up and catch flak from the west. hamas is to blame for the deaths of these civilians while launching missiles and storing weaponry to attack israel from these locations.
>hamas and other terrorist organizations originally started as an reaction to as rising jewish state and after they got btfo'd when trying to take over israel's land
Israel came into existence by massacring innocents and taking their land, Hamas was formed decades after Israel had already stolen a lot of land.
>israel was fine with a two state solution between the two groups but Palestine did not want that and attacked israel alongside with multiple Muslim nations.
The people who's land got stolen wanted their land back, no shit, and Muslim nations came to their aid, you're acting as if Israel just spawned in, Zionists took a large part of Palestine, massacred the people living there and colonized it.
>the reason for the beef between Palestine and israel is to mostly blame on palestine for attacking israel.
Even though Israel is the one who took their land, locked them in an open air prison, kept shooting and bo.bing civilians, and enforced blockades on them, but clearly it is the Palestinians who are in the wrong for fighting back after all that.
>the other terrorists groups in israel are not freedom fighters fighting against oppression
"In Israel", aha, so the issue is that you believe Palestine doesn't or shouldn't exist, I see.
>they are a anti Semitic group of religious extremists who would happily exterminate the jewish population if they got their hands on them and it clearly shows in their attacks where they intentionally target civilians.
Right, Hamas who made it VERY clear in their charter that they only want to get rid of zionists not Jews, who have made it clear that co-existence with Jews is part of Islam and they have no problem with Jewish people, Hamas who also have a lot of Christian members, those same Hamas are apparently religious extremists who want to get rid of Jews?
Also, they mainly targeted military targets and armed combatants, because just like America, Israel has a lot of guns.
>you can support Palestine and be against israel but do not make these terrorist organizations out to freedom fighters when their very existence was the destruction of israel and the death of the jewish population in israel because they couldn't handle losing after being imperialistic assholes.
Remember the 40 dead children israel claimed happened? What about the children hanged on cloth lines? What about the baby in the oven? What about the woman raped and her tits cut off? Remember all those claims on how Israel later walked back and said "those didn't really happen"
What about the rape claims on Oct 7 where no evidence has yet to be provided?
You know what terrorists groups do? They terrorize, they want people to be scared, ISIS is a terrorist group, they film their executions, edit them, and post them online. If Hamas was a terrorist group, if they really did all of those things, they would post them online, just like how they post footage of them fighting IDF ground invasions.
\>look at profile pic
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\>is meatriding palestine so hard that he is actively lying about the history between the two countries
yep what are the odds
israel was given the land by the british when they took it from the ottomans and the jews even bought some of the land from palestinians. the only time when israel "stole" land was when palestine decided to attack israel for their land and to stop palestine from attacking them seized their land instead. there was definitely some fucked up war crimes done by both sides and I think more so israel but this was still a defensive war as palestine rejected the proposal of splitting the land between them. yeah of course they would want their land back but that doesn't make it right as they were the ones who decided to attack a country for their land.
>Right, Hamas who made it VERY clear in their charter that they only want to get rid of zionists not Jews, who have made it clear that co-existence with Jews is part of Islam and they have no problem with Jewish people, Hamas who also have a lot of Christian members, those same Hamas are apparently religious extremists who want to get rid of Jews?
bruh ain't no fucking way your falling terrorist propaganda didn't these mfs launch missiles directly at civilian buildings and they did it so many times that I doubt that it was just lone terrorists who really hated israel. I'm not saying to trust isreal I'm not a zogbot but these guys are clearly lying.
stop larping as a muslim gigachad when your just a little chudhammad who thinks supporting terrorists who want to kill people of coin and heretics will grant you 100 virgins in heaven after doing a shooting against all non believers and stacies who didn't want to fuck you.
>\>look at profile pic
>\> muslim gigachad.jpg
The pic looks great tbh
>\>is meatriding palestine so hard that he is actively lying about the history between the two countries
Right, saying Israel came into existence by massacring innocents and displacing them, a literal fact, is lying, yet you act like Israel came into existence peacefully.
>israel was given the land by the british when they took it from the ottomans and the jews even bought some of the land from palestinians
How did the British give them that land? That's right, by promising then it, and Zionists then went in and massacred innocents.
>the only time when israel "stole" land was when palestine decided to attack israel for their land and to stop palestine from attacking them seized their land instead.
You mean when Palestine tried to take its land back? Just because the British promised it to them doesn't mean it belongs do them, this land doesn't belong to the British, they don't get to decide what happens to it, Palestinians were just trying to get their land back.
Also you put stole in quotation marks, only to then say they "sized Palestinians land", also hilarious how it is "took land from Palestinians to stop them from attacking", yeah, that's what you do when you want people to not attack you, you massacre them, take their land, and kick them out of it. And you always make sure to take almost everything, leave them with breadcrumbs, then make it clear that you want to take the rest.
>there was definitely some fucked up war crimes done by both sides and I think more so israel but this was still a defensive war as palestine rejected the proposal of splitting the land between them.
This is the equivalent of saying that it is the natives in NA fault that they got genocided. "Europeans just wanted a piece of their land, they decided to fight for it, not our fault that we had to kill them and take all of their land, we were just defending ourselves!"
>yeah of course they would want their land back but that doesn't make it right as they were the ones who decided to attack a country for their land.
So you do acknowledge that they deserve to get their land back? But you don't think that zionists stole their land to form Israel? Also how else do you suggest they get their land back?
And by your logic, all of the Middle East should invade America to make sure America doesn't attack them again, since Amrica fucked the region up so badly, it would be only fair for Arab countries to invade America, massacre Americans and displace them and kick them out of the region.
>bruh ain't no fucking way your falling terrorist propaganda
So when Hamas make it very clear they only have a problem with zionists, their actions prove they only had a problem with zionists, hostages say they were treated well by Hamas (Hamas had to take hostages to free civilians who were imprisoned by Israel, which Israel does a lot), it is also terrorist propaganda, when Israel tells hostages to not speak to news crews, also propaganda, but IDF says "we investigated ourselves and didn't find ourselves guilty of killing innocents", or "We try our best to help save Palestinian civilians, even though we bomb them indiscriminately", that is not propaganda but rather Zionists being "the most moral army"?
>stop larping as a muslim gigachad when your a little chudhammad who thinks supporting terrorists who want to kill people of coin and heretics will grant you 100 virgins in heaven after doing a shooting against all non believers and stacies who didn't want to fuck you,
???
All I said was Hamas are freedom fighters who are fighting against colonizers, and their charter and actions prove it, only you made it about religion then created this basement dweller rhetoric.
From this reply, it is clear you hate Muslims, so your issue is that Muslims are trying to get their land back? Is that it? You do know there are atheists and Christian in Gaza as well, don't you?
>How did the British give them that land? That's right, by promising then it, and Zionists then went in and massacred innocents.
>
>Right, saying Israel came into existence by massacring innocents and displacing them, a literal fact, is lying, yet you act like Israel came into existence peacefully.
my guy they gave them the damn land and didn't even have a military when they started going there, if you want to blame israel for existing blame the britbonger chudhammad
>This is the equivalent of saying that it is the natives in NA fault that they got genocided. "Europeans just wanted a piece of their land, they decided to fight for it, not our fault that we had to kill them and take all of their land, we were just defending ourselves!"
it isn't chudhammad, they were literally given the land and bought some of the land from the palestinians themselves it was all under the jurisdiction of the british empire. they didn't fight for it until the brits left and palestine attacked israel.
>So you do acknowledge that they deserve to get their land back? But you don't think that zionists stole their land to form Israel? Also how else do you suggest they get their land back?
And by your logic, all of the Middle East should invade America to make sure America doesn't attack them again, since Amrica fucked the region up so badly, it would be only fair for Arab countries to invade America, massacre Americans and displace them and kick them out of the region.
chudhammad your making false equivalences, palestine was actively attacking israel when israel decided to btfo'd them to stop them from attacking and palestine was literally on their damn border. I wasn't saying they deserve their land back they attacked israel and lost it fair and square, I'm saying they wanted their land back after losing it but nothing about them deserving it.
>you mean when Palestine tried to take its land back? Just because the British promised it to them doesn't mean it belongs do them, this land doesn't belong to the British, they don't get to decide what happens to it, Palestinians were just trying to get their land back.
Also you put stole in quotation marks, only to then say they "sized Palestinians land", also hilarious how it is "took land from Palestinians to stop them from attacking", yeah, that's what you do when you want people to not attack you, you massacre them, take their land, and kick them out of it. And you always make sure to take almost everything, leave them with breadcrumbs, then make it clear that you want to take the rest.
if they want their land back then they should have taken it up with the british. the land was already given to the jews and they were already living on it they did not have anything to do with stolen land or anything like that the brits just told them that they can live on it and split it between the two of them.
well yeah you do realize that the invading forces had military bases set up on Palestinian land and used it to stage attacks on israel to ya know take over their fucking land. luckily israel was in a position to attack and ended the war quickly.
>So when Hamas make it very clear they only have a problem with zionists, their actions prove they only had a problem with zionists, hostages say they were treated well by Hamas (Hamas had to take hostages to free civilians who were imprisoned by Israel, which Israel does a lot), it is also terrorist propaganda, when Israel tells hostages to not speak to news crews, also propaganda, but IDF says "we investigated ourselves and didn't find ourselves guilty of killing innocents", or "We try our best to help save Palestinian civilians, even though we bomb them indiscriminately", that is not propaganda but rather Zionists being "the most moral army"?
israel has nothing to gain from kidnapping random civilians the "civilians" that were captured were known terrorists and people intentionally collaborating with terrorists. these weren't random people plucked off the street but terrorists who should have been imprisoned for their crimes.
chudhammad I realize that your just retarded as shit and are making these idiotic arguments because of your religion. I don't hate muslims and I just hate muslims who want to spread their religion by force and kill those who don't believe in it which is a large part of muslim history since much of the land many muslims countries are in were majority christian countries under the roman empire and was taken through jihads and the Christian population was oppressed and forced to convert. also I just find it surprising that the crusades were just a response and reaction to muslim expansionism and muslim barbary pirate raids which made Mediterranean sea into a no mans land and cut europe off from the rest of the world.
So essentially you're saying that Zionists didn't kill Palestinians foe their land, which literally false. you're also saying that the British are the ones who did the mssacring, but at the same time, Palestinians don't deserve their land back?
Also Israel DID take Palestinian land violently, but at the same time, Palestinians don't deserve their land back?
>these weren't random people plucked off the street but terrorists who should have been imprisoned for their crimes.
Except they were random civilians and children, and didn't have a trial, just imprisoned immediately.
https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-prisoner-exchange-hostage-92545883b1fef86fb9b34549b7deca58
After approving the hostage deal with Hamas, Israel released Palestinian prisoners to be released. The list includes 123 minors under the age of 18. Five of them are 14 years old.
None of them had a trial.
>israel has nothing to gain from kidnapping random civilians
They do, for blackmail and to destroy the morale of Palestinians.
>the "civilians" that were captured were known terrorists and people intentionally collaborating with terrorists.
You are literally just making shit up, most of the people released were woman and children, all of them didn't have a trial, just jailed unfairly, a lot of children were jailed for throwing rocks.
>I don't hate muslims I just hate muslims who want to spread their religion by force and kill those who don't believe in it
I agree, good thing Hamas don't do that.
>britbonger chudhammad
Is that 4chan terminology? Am I seriously wasting my time on a 4chan user? My God...
Stop regurgitating propaganda. Palestine has an extensively documented history of human shield usage, and Israel has an extensively documented history of doing EVERYTHING possible to avoid killing human shields.
>Palestine has an extensively documented history of human shield usage
Palestine doesn't have a military, Hamas is just a resistance group, one of multiple in fact. I would like to see this extensive history though, might change my opinion on Hamas if it is true.
If you're expecting Hamas to have a military base like Israel, that's unrealistic, they a resistance group not a military, they are civilians who picked up guns to fight back, the Polish Reistance also lived among civilians, doesn't mean they were using civilians as human shields.
>Israel has an extensively documented history of doing EVERYTHING possible to avoid killing human shields.
Have they tried NOT bombing all civilian infrastructure and shooting civilians?
Have they also tried not colonizing their land or cutting off basic needs from them?
Have they even tried to not shoot people evacuating an area?
Because they did all of these things, they even shot some of their own fleeing civilians on Oct 7.
>Have they tried NOT bombing all civilian infrastructure and shooting civilians?
If Hamas stopped putting rockets on top of schools and hospitals and then surrounding them by civilians then yes, they would.
Israel is the ONLY country in HISTORY that always sends civilian warnings to evacuate ahead of an attack. They call civilians on their fucking cellphones.
>If Hamas stopped putting rockets on top of schools and hospitals and then surrounding them by civilians then yes, they would.
Please provide ANY proof that Hamas was ANYWHERE where Israel bombed.
>Israel is the ONLY country in HISTORY that always sends civilian warnings to evacuate ahead of an attack. They call civilians on their fucking cellphones.
"Yeah we destroyed all your schools, hospitals, refugee camps, homes, we also shot you on the road we told you to go on to be safe and put tanks on other roads we told you would be safe and shot you with them, we also didn't give you enough time to evacuate, we also dont allow any food and water to reach you, but at least we told you before we started genociding you!"
The UN and other parties have stated and proven Hamas use of human shield tactics several times.
[One example](https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AHRC47NGO72_250621.pdf)
On the 2nd paragraph, it says "Hamas aggression triggered Israel's right to self-defense", but doesn't mention Israel's crimes that they committed which caused the aggression in the first place, no white phosphorus or The Great March or snipers shooting children.
At the end of the day, the UN is a western backed organization where the USA gets to veto anything they don't like.
Thats not even mentioning that Israel uses LITERAL human shields, they make Palestinian civilians move suspicious objects on roads and in some instances, literally uses Palestinians children as cover, as in, literal human shields.
That's not even mentioning that Israel needs to prove that Hamas is where they claim they are before bombing a place full of citizens, which they have never done.
Or the fact that Israel have the technology to do precise strikes instead of carpet bombing hospitals and refugee camps.
Regardless of what you think about Hamas, genociding civilians is bad, no matter the excuse.
This is the equivalent of saying the Holocaust was justified because there was Polish Resistance.
Bro no amount of violence justifies targeting civilians.
You can condemn the actions israel took in Gaza and the west bank without bending over backwards trying to justify the actions hamas have committed
I have no problem with this stance, as long as you see what Israel is doing is a literal genocide and fucking horrible, then feel free to condemn Hamas however much you want.
Personally, though, when you slaughter innocents, don't be surprised when their kids grow up to hate you. Without Hamas, who will help Palestinians? No one, Arab countries are too cowardly, and the west is not exactly new to genocide.
Hamas retaliated to warcrimes and slaughtering of innocents by trying to take hostages to free some of their own civilians who were jailed without trial, after all Palestinians tolerated, I don't think they are in the wrong for fighting back.
I mean, yeah, as I said, no one was talking about Israel committing warcrimes and killings tens of thousands, but Hamas tried to fight back and suddenly everyone acting like killing 10s of thousands as retaliation is fine.
Unpopular opinion but I don't understand what's the problem with this, we should be focusing on the Palestinians as much as possible
Obviously you are allow to have fun and break for once awhile, but Football game is less important then a genocide
I think there's two sides to this: making every moment of your day about Palestine won't improve the things there, but it >will< destroy your mental health. The question is also how many people you're going to convince this way, or if you should dedicate your energy to spreading your message in another way.
On the other side, I think a lot of people just want "those annoying activists" to shut up so they can completely ignore what's happening. We saw that during every horrible event in history.
"Ugh, John Brown is such a bother, why does that man keep preaching about slaves? What am I supposed to do about it? He's ruining my whole day."
It is, but that's how the world works, right? You can't magically fix that.
Not everyone is willing or able to completely sacrifice their happiness to improve things. Ofcourse, I hope that these people will still do their best to work on improving things regardless.
I was FaceTiming my 9 y/o nephew today and we had a fun little convo about palworld. I completely forgot to bring up the genocide going on smh, I feel like such a FOOL.
Yeah that's pretty shitty, but why is it any more important than say, Russia's invasion of Ukraine or the Uyghur genocide? They've all been happening for years, this one is just the important one because it's being represented as a western country backed genocide, and we need a reason to hate the west, even when both of those claims are debatable.
>Yeah that's pretty shitty, but why is it any more important than say, Russia's invasion of Ukraine or the Uyghur genocide?
The scale of deaths is much larger, it is backed by the US, and is a literal genocide not a war.
>even when both of those claims are debatable.
"Obviously, the people who faced oppression and genocide for 80 years are equally as bad as the genociders"
“Literal genocide, not a war”
https://re-russia.net/en/review/171/
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/A_HRC_52_62_AUV_EN.pdf
I am not against Ukraine, Ukrainians deserve freedom and they don't deserve this cruel meaningless war, however, it is still a war, 2 countries with advanced militaries fight each other, one backed by the US, the other is literally Russia, and the fighting mostly happens on the battlefield.
In Gaza, only one side has military power, only one side is backed by a super power, and that same side is the one bombing civilians directly, there's no battlefield, there is no fighting, just civilians getting killed.
Also, did you not read the links I specifically put in my comment for you to read and to see my point. There is a war in Ukraine, yes, but there is also a Genocide, these two are not mutually exclusive.
I did read them, my point was, genocide is not just killing innocents, it is trying to either eradicate their whole race or to ethnically cleanse them from the area, Russia wants to do that, however, currently, they are incapable of doing it, they need to win the war to do it.
Innocents died in Iraq and Afghanistan because of America, but no one calls those a genocide.
You know, I’d believe you more if Israel couldn’t just win at any time. The Arabic population of the Levantine has increased over a thousand percent in the last 80 years, and don’t say they’re stopped by the Islamic world, they attack them all the time anyways and they always fail. This was Hamas’s whole plan, attack Israel first, hide behind civilians, have the civilians die, act like the problem they created is an international tragedy, and you ate it up.
Attack Israel first? Did you suddenly forget about everything Israel did in the last 80 years?
Actually, why go that far back? Let's mention recent stuff, they dropped white phosphorus on Gaza, they shot peaceful protestors in The Great March, they enforced a blockade on Gaza in 2023 and killed 300 Palestinian citizens in 2023 before Oct 7 (during a ceasefire), and many more things, but these are the main points, now, in your opinion, after Israel did all this, did Hamas attack first?
Also, "hide behind civilians", how so? Israel bombed refugee camps, schools, universities, water supplies, bakeries, mosques, churches and ALL hospitals in Gaza, they also bombed places where they said civilians would be safe and should evacuate to, as well as shoot civilians on roads they claimed to be safe and placed tanks on those roads to shoot cars evacuating, they also planted mines in civilian's homes, and with all that, they have yet to provide ANY evidence that Hamas was ANYWHERE where they claim they were. Not to mention them chasing down their own stripped hostages waving white flags and shooting them, and their defense was "we didn't know they were Israelis, we thought we were shooting Palestinian civilians waving white flags"
Saying "they are forcing us to kill civilians! See, us bombing everything and shooting innocents in the street is just self defense, if we genocide everyone in Gaza, there will be no Hamas left, don't you see?" Isn't as strong of an argument as you think
We can list what one side did to the other all day, we can say the Palestinians attacked Lebanon for no reason, we can say all they invented is the suicide vest, we can say they murdered a bunch of pro-Palestinian Israelites to further increase radicalization, we can say that Arabs are perfectly accepted in Israel but Jews are ruthlessly murdered in Palestine, but even that, none of that makes Palestinians worse than Israelis. This was inevitable once the same piece of land was promised to 2 different people, and because both sides have been overtaken by the idea that everyone they're fighting is literally Satan and we cannot give them once inch, and now that's been extended overseas and now you have to pick a side or else you are a fence sitter who hates minorities. Both of you fucking suck, you handled ALL OF THIS poorly, you have NO MORAL SUPERIORITY over the people you hate, and you're now both acting like the shortcuts you took were ALWAYS justified, because it's easier to lie to the world than it is to tell the truth to yourself.
>we can say that Arabs are perfectly accepted in Israel but Jews are ruthlessly murdered in Palestine
Except that's not true, Arabs have less rights in Israel and aren't allowed in many roads and towns, while there are no Jews in Palestine not because they get killed or treated badly, but because they just went to Israel, there are literally no Jews in Palestine as far as I am aware.
>Both of you fucking suck
Zionist came in, massacred, raped, looted and displaced innocents.
But clearly it is both sides that are wrong here, I mean, the civilians should've just been genocided in silence, them fighting back is the problem, clearly.
>This was inevitable once the same piece of land was promised to 2 different people
The British decided that they could give land they didn't own to Zionists, and zionists came in and massacred innocents, but clearly it is the people who were living there that are in the wrong, how can they expect to have their own land when the British said otherwise? Clearly it is their fault.
Oh of course, Jews were and are treated wonderfully in Palestine, why would they ever treat Jews badly there? But also they're evil and we hate them. This is the doublethink I'm talking about, we shouldn't keep giving Israel free weapons, but I'm not supporting this lunacy. Nothing was ever stopping both of you from living together, except that neither of you could stomach being near someone who isn't like you, you'd rather kill each other than compromise. The whole conflict is like 2 dogs tearing each other apart over a pile of steak because their instincts have overwhelmed their logic, it's one hell of a tragedy, and it's also a great reflection of what's wrong with us as people.
>Jews were and are treated wonderfully in Palestine,
True
>But also they're evil and we hate them
We don't hate Jews, we hate Israelis, Jews are our brothers in Abrahamic religion, in case you are saying this is a "Islam vs Judaism" thing, it is not. Palestinians don't have a problem with Jews, they have a problem with Israelis, a former Palestinian who went to Israel and became an Israeli is hated as much as a Jewish Israeli, because religion doesn't matter, only ideology does.
>Nothing was ever stopping both of you from living together, except that neither of you could stomach being near someone who isn't like you
Or you know, the fact that zionists came in, massacred innocents and took their land, and didn't like it when Palestinians asked for the land back, Palestinians had no issue with Jewish refugees during WWII, but they did have a problem with Zionists slaughtering them and taking their land.
I get that it is easier to just say "both sides" than look into this issue deeper, but the truth is, Palestinians just want justice for their loved ones and to get their land back, they nearly starve daily and struggle, while their "neighbors" actively try to kill them and ethnically cleanse Gaza while living in luxury, then some American comes and says "both sides" when Palestinians fight back.
Well I guess you're right. Then it'd be nice if they got their land back, but I still feel iffy. I'm gay, and so therefore I'd be killed by about 90% of the Arabic world, even though being gay makes me happy and doesn't hurt anyone.
I love being unable to have any issues myself. Someone else has it worse so I must now imagine myself being happy and must now sacrifice myself for others.
“There’s worse things going on in the world right now so you’re not allowed to be upset about things that aren’t as bad.” Is this mamamax?
Yes, your car was broken into, your grandmother just passed, and your house burnt down, but are you aware that there's a LiTtErAl Gen0CiD3 going on?!?!?!?
You’re complaining about genocide? Aren’t you aware that day by day the human race uses more and more limited recourses and pumps more and more CO2 into the atmosphere and that it will eventually result in a global recession in which hundreds of millions will die?
Oh you think THAT'S bad? I almost peed myself this morning
That's terrible
Just like stealing 40 cakes
That's as many as 4 tens
You’re upset about the loss of a single race of life?? God you’re selfish. Aren’t you aware that in only a few quadrillion millennia, we will reach the heat death of the universe and all of existence will be wiped away?
Millions will die?
Millions must die.
“I showed him a video of my ass… yes.. that’s my actual ass..”
literally within 3 comments they went from "how's everyone doing today?" to "ONGOING GENOCIDE", do people on the internet hate not being angry
1943: "Hey John, nice weather today eh?" "The Jewish people are still being holocausted in Germany's concentration camps." "Alright John, have a good one."
Uhhhhhh...remembrance day was the first time any soldier ever saw one so.... How about: "There are Americans marching for that Bratworst in Madison Square Garden"
Journalists already knew about the concentration camps before that though, right? I thought the London Times had articles about the holocaust in like... 1942 that were like: "MASSACRE OF JEWS—OVER 1,000,000 DEAD SINCE THE WAR BEGAN" Did I remember that wrong or am I correct?
I recently visited the Holocaust and the Americans museum at my local library, and you are correct. America knew Germany was genociding Jews since ~1941, but they didn’t know the true extent (like death factories) until the concentration camps were liberated in 1945
Yeah, I can imagine that being hard to actually quantify until you actually set boots on the land. I saw videos of soldiers loading the remains of victims of the holocaust onto trucks to bury them. That shit is burned on my retina. How fucking horrible that must have been to experience being send as a soldier that was sent overseas.
When visiting concentration camps for the first time, it’s reported that even Eisenhower himself vomited from the absolute horror of what he saw. Even Patton, who generally wasn’t shook by much, reported feeling nauseous at the sight of the mass graves they uncovered
More like... 1950: "Hey John, nice weather today, eh?" "The Soviets have built their first atomic bomb and we're all going to die." "Alright John, have a good one."
In what way is it more similar to that?
People knew about the bombs
I mean I'd be fine with that one because it was actually true.
yes. yes, they do. people are hardwired to enjoy the dopamine of “owning an asshole who doesn’t care about {xyz tragedy of the month}”
we don’t and it makes me angry, which makes me angry, which makes me angry, whi
Yeah Elmo is totally gonna respond to a comment about a genocide
"HA HA HA HA HA that tickles!"
>a genocide They aren’t even doing it right, there are at least 5-10 genocides going on right now
Are we involved in all of them? Ofcourse virtue signalling is a thing, but there's a genuine reason why people focus on Palestine when US money directly goes to funding their military.
I mean, we also send billions of dollars of military support to Saudi Arabia, but for some unknown, undeterminable reason the Yemeni genocide doesn’t get nearly as much coverage
I think that's fair. Ofcourse public discussion matters in these cases. Israel is all over the media, Yemen isn't. And that influences what people shout about. Apart from leftists very few people mention Yemen. And in a sense it's 100% influenced by that. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing it's mentioned however. I don't think this was a good case to bring it up, but being more aware of where our money goes to will eventually increase attention towards what's happening in Yemen too.
It's almost as if the houthis started the war to reinstitue slavery and child marriage.
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How is what is happening in yemen a genocide? It's a military intervention requested by the rightful government of Yemen that, by the way, was supported by hamas.
if you do, your dick pics are released (see jeff bezos)
I feel like the fact that his name is “genocide is bad” means this is satire
Yeah, 99% this was rage bait. Although you know, that 1% always exists because there's lots of different people out there. And either way, at this point we're just using this subreddit to post political posts lmao. This isn't a fucking snafu.
Which genocide are they referring to? I assume they only one that gets you Twitter points for caring aboutv
I mean, this is the only genocide backed by the West, right? Obviously we're going to care more about stuff we're directly involved in.
It’s also the only one that’s not actually a genocide
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide) [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-rule-urgent-measures-gaza-genocide-case-2024-01-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-rule-urgent-measures-gaza-genocide-case-2024-01-26/) We would never admit it to ourselves if we were supporting something so heinous. I'm not saying I agree with the tweet, but there's nuance here that's important.
In the same ruling the UN ruled it wasn't a genocide
Hague ruled no foul
"genocideisbad" is absolutely the kind of stupid placeholder username you'd see in a snafu.
that twitter screenshot literally reads like a snafu now that you mentioned it
I’m as pro-Palestine as they come, and I don’t even dispute the labelling of the current situation as a genocide. But I think what we’re seeing here is Twitter leftists having an existential crisis over the fact that they are literally powerless to do anything about this injustice. This is the most powerful country in the Middle East being backed by the most powerful country in the world, the best they think they can do is bully people for buying Starbucks and trying to defend trans rights against republicans.
Based as fuck
I love seeing the people who are just now learning about something that's been happening for over 80 years and making it their entire identity
"Ugh, slavery has existed for thousands of years, why did John Brown only start caring in the last few years and not 1000 years ago?" Ofcourse there'll be people virtue signalling, but come on - ofcourse people are going to focus on it more considering recent developments. Things are escalating and neither the activists nor the children being bombed were born during 80 years ago.
I'm fine with people focusing more on it, it deserves to be focused on, but I am really tired of ignorant white lefties making this their entire identity just like libs did with Ukraine. Like I genuinely think most of these people don't even know that Gaza isn't the only genocide that's happening right now or that the genocide didn't start on October 7th and they refuse to talk about anything else. I mean for God's sake, a lot of these people are supporting the Houthis even though they're literally blocking aid from reaching Darfur which is experiencing their own genocide. I don't wanna get into a huge argument or anything here, I just think that people need to have a personality and stop making issues they barely understand into their entire identity.
(Neighbor 1) “How’s it going?” (Neighbor 2) “Not good, I broke my leg” (Random Person) “People are dying” It’s that one xkcd comic all over again
This is the second time I've seen someone do shit like this under a tweet by fucking Elmo Elmo: Yeah baby! Elmo is so excited it's the weekend! Thor Benson: Do you think the president is racist, Elmo?
When was the last time there *wasn't* a genocide happening somewhere?
Listen I’ll start caring about genocides the day I can gamble on the outcomes. But real talk I don’t even like the lions but they got robbed last night I feel bad for their fans. Hopefully next year they can make it to the Super Bowl.
\> something something football team lost and feel slightly frustrated about it \> ACKtually chud there's a genocide going on and you MUST always be thinking about ze current thing 24/7 do leftists really?
twitter users when they find out genocide is happening somewhere 24/7
God these people are so fucking annoying.
There is no genocide going on. There is a bloody war where one side makes extreme and cruel use of human shields while targeting their own weapons at civilians, but that is hardly a genocide. If it were to be counted as a genocide, though, the genocide would be on the other side from what you think it is.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-rule-urgent-measures-gaza-genocide-case-2024-01-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-rule-urgent-measures-gaza-genocide-case-2024-01-26/)
Human shields has lost its meaning, Israel gets to just say "human shields" with no evidence and just bomb all hospitals, schools, universities, refugee camps, power grids and water supplies with no questions, and people like you eat up propaganda and believe that there is no ethnic cleansing going on.
fair enough and I can see how that can just be used as an excuse to bomb palastinian homes but hamas has been doing this shit for ages and actually used these tactics to make israel look bad. hamas always does some wild ass shit like launching a gorrilion rockets at israel and doing a full armed uprising but whenever israel pushes back hard they will slink back into Palestinian population and covertly continue their operations. I think we need to look at each situation of isreal bombing these places and see whether if it was a reasonable response to Hamas activity since israel has been doing a cultural genocide to the Palestinians even before this whole incident and I wouldn't put it past them to use hamas as an excuse to doing a full scale genocide.
I see your point, however, it completely fails when you realize that Israel is the one that started killing innocents decades before Hamas was formed, it is not Israel fighting back against Hamas, it is Hamas fighting back against Israel. >but hamas has been doing this shit for ages and actually used these tactics to make israel look bad. Look bad to who? The western media never reports deaths in Palestine, and anyone not in the west (except India) supports Palestine, they gain nothing by letting innocents die. You see Hamas as a military, and that's the problem, Hamas are a resistance group, and just like the Polish Resistance in WWII, they don't "live among civilians", they ARE civilians, they can't make a military base because they don't have the funding for one, it is just civilians who picked up a gun to fight back against their oppressor, not some kind of giant military organization.
hamas and other terrorist organizations originally started as an reaction to a rising jewish state and after they got btfo'd when trying to take over israel's land. the oppression and genocide israel was doing didn't exist as long as these terrorist groups did and while isreal's actions did increase the amount of people joining these terrorist organizations they did not start them. israel was fine with a two state solution between the two groups but Palestine did not want that and attacked israel alongside with multiple Muslim nations. the reason for the beef between Palestine and israel is to mostly blame on palestine for attacking israel. I am not supporting israel and its horrid actions, I believe they should not have oppressed the Palestinian people as they just increased the violence between them and gave hamas more supporters but hamas and the other terrorists groups in israel are not freedom fighters fighting against oppression they are a anti Semitic group of religious extremists who would happily exterminate the jewish population if they got their hands on them and it clearly shows in their attacks where they intentionally target civilians. you can support Palestine and be against israel but do not make these terrorist organizations out to freedom fighters when their very existence was the destruction of israel and the death of the jewish population in israel because they couldn't handle losing after being imperialistic assholes. dude hamas intentionally hides in civilian buildings knowing that israel will blow them up and catch flak from the west. hamas is to blame for the deaths of these civilians while launching missiles and storing weaponry to attack israel from these locations.
>hamas and other terrorist organizations originally started as an reaction to as rising jewish state and after they got btfo'd when trying to take over israel's land Israel came into existence by massacring innocents and taking their land, Hamas was formed decades after Israel had already stolen a lot of land. >israel was fine with a two state solution between the two groups but Palestine did not want that and attacked israel alongside with multiple Muslim nations. The people who's land got stolen wanted their land back, no shit, and Muslim nations came to their aid, you're acting as if Israel just spawned in, Zionists took a large part of Palestine, massacred the people living there and colonized it. >the reason for the beef between Palestine and israel is to mostly blame on palestine for attacking israel. Even though Israel is the one who took their land, locked them in an open air prison, kept shooting and bo.bing civilians, and enforced blockades on them, but clearly it is the Palestinians who are in the wrong for fighting back after all that. >the other terrorists groups in israel are not freedom fighters fighting against oppression "In Israel", aha, so the issue is that you believe Palestine doesn't or shouldn't exist, I see. >they are a anti Semitic group of religious extremists who would happily exterminate the jewish population if they got their hands on them and it clearly shows in their attacks where they intentionally target civilians. Right, Hamas who made it VERY clear in their charter that they only want to get rid of zionists not Jews, who have made it clear that co-existence with Jews is part of Islam and they have no problem with Jewish people, Hamas who also have a lot of Christian members, those same Hamas are apparently religious extremists who want to get rid of Jews? Also, they mainly targeted military targets and armed combatants, because just like America, Israel has a lot of guns. >you can support Palestine and be against israel but do not make these terrorist organizations out to freedom fighters when their very existence was the destruction of israel and the death of the jewish population in israel because they couldn't handle losing after being imperialistic assholes. Remember the 40 dead children israel claimed happened? What about the children hanged on cloth lines? What about the baby in the oven? What about the woman raped and her tits cut off? Remember all those claims on how Israel later walked back and said "those didn't really happen" What about the rape claims on Oct 7 where no evidence has yet to be provided? You know what terrorists groups do? They terrorize, they want people to be scared, ISIS is a terrorist group, they film their executions, edit them, and post them online. If Hamas was a terrorist group, if they really did all of those things, they would post them online, just like how they post footage of them fighting IDF ground invasions.
\>look at profile pic \> muslim gigachad.jpg \>is meatriding palestine so hard that he is actively lying about the history between the two countries yep what are the odds israel was given the land by the british when they took it from the ottomans and the jews even bought some of the land from palestinians. the only time when israel "stole" land was when palestine decided to attack israel for their land and to stop palestine from attacking them seized their land instead. there was definitely some fucked up war crimes done by both sides and I think more so israel but this was still a defensive war as palestine rejected the proposal of splitting the land between them. yeah of course they would want their land back but that doesn't make it right as they were the ones who decided to attack a country for their land. >Right, Hamas who made it VERY clear in their charter that they only want to get rid of zionists not Jews, who have made it clear that co-existence with Jews is part of Islam and they have no problem with Jewish people, Hamas who also have a lot of Christian members, those same Hamas are apparently religious extremists who want to get rid of Jews? bruh ain't no fucking way your falling terrorist propaganda didn't these mfs launch missiles directly at civilian buildings and they did it so many times that I doubt that it was just lone terrorists who really hated israel. I'm not saying to trust isreal I'm not a zogbot but these guys are clearly lying. stop larping as a muslim gigachad when your just a little chudhammad who thinks supporting terrorists who want to kill people of coin and heretics will grant you 100 virgins in heaven after doing a shooting against all non believers and stacies who didn't want to fuck you.
>\>look at profile pic >\> muslim gigachad.jpg The pic looks great tbh >\>is meatriding palestine so hard that he is actively lying about the history between the two countries Right, saying Israel came into existence by massacring innocents and displacing them, a literal fact, is lying, yet you act like Israel came into existence peacefully. >israel was given the land by the british when they took it from the ottomans and the jews even bought some of the land from palestinians How did the British give them that land? That's right, by promising then it, and Zionists then went in and massacred innocents. >the only time when israel "stole" land was when palestine decided to attack israel for their land and to stop palestine from attacking them seized their land instead. You mean when Palestine tried to take its land back? Just because the British promised it to them doesn't mean it belongs do them, this land doesn't belong to the British, they don't get to decide what happens to it, Palestinians were just trying to get their land back. Also you put stole in quotation marks, only to then say they "sized Palestinians land", also hilarious how it is "took land from Palestinians to stop them from attacking", yeah, that's what you do when you want people to not attack you, you massacre them, take their land, and kick them out of it. And you always make sure to take almost everything, leave them with breadcrumbs, then make it clear that you want to take the rest. >there was definitely some fucked up war crimes done by both sides and I think more so israel but this was still a defensive war as palestine rejected the proposal of splitting the land between them. This is the equivalent of saying that it is the natives in NA fault that they got genocided. "Europeans just wanted a piece of their land, they decided to fight for it, not our fault that we had to kill them and take all of their land, we were just defending ourselves!" >yeah of course they would want their land back but that doesn't make it right as they were the ones who decided to attack a country for their land. So you do acknowledge that they deserve to get their land back? But you don't think that zionists stole their land to form Israel? Also how else do you suggest they get their land back? And by your logic, all of the Middle East should invade America to make sure America doesn't attack them again, since Amrica fucked the region up so badly, it would be only fair for Arab countries to invade America, massacre Americans and displace them and kick them out of the region. >bruh ain't no fucking way your falling terrorist propaganda So when Hamas make it very clear they only have a problem with zionists, their actions prove they only had a problem with zionists, hostages say they were treated well by Hamas (Hamas had to take hostages to free civilians who were imprisoned by Israel, which Israel does a lot), it is also terrorist propaganda, when Israel tells hostages to not speak to news crews, also propaganda, but IDF says "we investigated ourselves and didn't find ourselves guilty of killing innocents", or "We try our best to help save Palestinian civilians, even though we bomb them indiscriminately", that is not propaganda but rather Zionists being "the most moral army"? >stop larping as a muslim gigachad when your a little chudhammad who thinks supporting terrorists who want to kill people of coin and heretics will grant you 100 virgins in heaven after doing a shooting against all non believers and stacies who didn't want to fuck you, ??? All I said was Hamas are freedom fighters who are fighting against colonizers, and their charter and actions prove it, only you made it about religion then created this basement dweller rhetoric. From this reply, it is clear you hate Muslims, so your issue is that Muslims are trying to get their land back? Is that it? You do know there are atheists and Christian in Gaza as well, don't you?
>How did the British give them that land? That's right, by promising then it, and Zionists then went in and massacred innocents. > >Right, saying Israel came into existence by massacring innocents and displacing them, a literal fact, is lying, yet you act like Israel came into existence peacefully. my guy they gave them the damn land and didn't even have a military when they started going there, if you want to blame israel for existing blame the britbonger chudhammad >This is the equivalent of saying that it is the natives in NA fault that they got genocided. "Europeans just wanted a piece of their land, they decided to fight for it, not our fault that we had to kill them and take all of their land, we were just defending ourselves!" it isn't chudhammad, they were literally given the land and bought some of the land from the palestinians themselves it was all under the jurisdiction of the british empire. they didn't fight for it until the brits left and palestine attacked israel. >So you do acknowledge that they deserve to get their land back? But you don't think that zionists stole their land to form Israel? Also how else do you suggest they get their land back? And by your logic, all of the Middle East should invade America to make sure America doesn't attack them again, since Amrica fucked the region up so badly, it would be only fair for Arab countries to invade America, massacre Americans and displace them and kick them out of the region. chudhammad your making false equivalences, palestine was actively attacking israel when israel decided to btfo'd them to stop them from attacking and palestine was literally on their damn border. I wasn't saying they deserve their land back they attacked israel and lost it fair and square, I'm saying they wanted their land back after losing it but nothing about them deserving it. >you mean when Palestine tried to take its land back? Just because the British promised it to them doesn't mean it belongs do them, this land doesn't belong to the British, they don't get to decide what happens to it, Palestinians were just trying to get their land back. Also you put stole in quotation marks, only to then say they "sized Palestinians land", also hilarious how it is "took land from Palestinians to stop them from attacking", yeah, that's what you do when you want people to not attack you, you massacre them, take their land, and kick them out of it. And you always make sure to take almost everything, leave them with breadcrumbs, then make it clear that you want to take the rest. if they want their land back then they should have taken it up with the british. the land was already given to the jews and they were already living on it they did not have anything to do with stolen land or anything like that the brits just told them that they can live on it and split it between the two of them. well yeah you do realize that the invading forces had military bases set up on Palestinian land and used it to stage attacks on israel to ya know take over their fucking land. luckily israel was in a position to attack and ended the war quickly. >So when Hamas make it very clear they only have a problem with zionists, their actions prove they only had a problem with zionists, hostages say they were treated well by Hamas (Hamas had to take hostages to free civilians who were imprisoned by Israel, which Israel does a lot), it is also terrorist propaganda, when Israel tells hostages to not speak to news crews, also propaganda, but IDF says "we investigated ourselves and didn't find ourselves guilty of killing innocents", or "We try our best to help save Palestinian civilians, even though we bomb them indiscriminately", that is not propaganda but rather Zionists being "the most moral army"? israel has nothing to gain from kidnapping random civilians the "civilians" that were captured were known terrorists and people intentionally collaborating with terrorists. these weren't random people plucked off the street but terrorists who should have been imprisoned for their crimes. chudhammad I realize that your just retarded as shit and are making these idiotic arguments because of your religion. I don't hate muslims and I just hate muslims who want to spread their religion by force and kill those who don't believe in it which is a large part of muslim history since much of the land many muslims countries are in were majority christian countries under the roman empire and was taken through jihads and the Christian population was oppressed and forced to convert. also I just find it surprising that the crusades were just a response and reaction to muslim expansionism and muslim barbary pirate raids which made Mediterranean sea into a no mans land and cut europe off from the rest of the world.
So essentially you're saying that Zionists didn't kill Palestinians foe their land, which literally false. you're also saying that the British are the ones who did the mssacring, but at the same time, Palestinians don't deserve their land back? Also Israel DID take Palestinian land violently, but at the same time, Palestinians don't deserve their land back? >these weren't random people plucked off the street but terrorists who should have been imprisoned for their crimes. Except they were random civilians and children, and didn't have a trial, just imprisoned immediately. https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-prisoner-exchange-hostage-92545883b1fef86fb9b34549b7deca58 After approving the hostage deal with Hamas, Israel released Palestinian prisoners to be released. The list includes 123 minors under the age of 18. Five of them are 14 years old. None of them had a trial. >israel has nothing to gain from kidnapping random civilians They do, for blackmail and to destroy the morale of Palestinians. >the "civilians" that were captured were known terrorists and people intentionally collaborating with terrorists. You are literally just making shit up, most of the people released were woman and children, all of them didn't have a trial, just jailed unfairly, a lot of children were jailed for throwing rocks. >I don't hate muslims I just hate muslims who want to spread their religion by force and kill those who don't believe in it I agree, good thing Hamas don't do that. >britbonger chudhammad Is that 4chan terminology? Am I seriously wasting my time on a 4chan user? My God...
Stop regurgitating propaganda. Palestine has an extensively documented history of human shield usage, and Israel has an extensively documented history of doing EVERYTHING possible to avoid killing human shields.
>Palestine has an extensively documented history of human shield usage Palestine doesn't have a military, Hamas is just a resistance group, one of multiple in fact. I would like to see this extensive history though, might change my opinion on Hamas if it is true. If you're expecting Hamas to have a military base like Israel, that's unrealistic, they a resistance group not a military, they are civilians who picked up guns to fight back, the Polish Reistance also lived among civilians, doesn't mean they were using civilians as human shields. >Israel has an extensively documented history of doing EVERYTHING possible to avoid killing human shields. Have they tried NOT bombing all civilian infrastructure and shooting civilians? Have they also tried not colonizing their land or cutting off basic needs from them? Have they even tried to not shoot people evacuating an area? Because they did all of these things, they even shot some of their own fleeing civilians on Oct 7.
>Have they tried NOT bombing all civilian infrastructure and shooting civilians? If Hamas stopped putting rockets on top of schools and hospitals and then surrounding them by civilians then yes, they would. Israel is the ONLY country in HISTORY that always sends civilian warnings to evacuate ahead of an attack. They call civilians on their fucking cellphones.
>If Hamas stopped putting rockets on top of schools and hospitals and then surrounding them by civilians then yes, they would. Please provide ANY proof that Hamas was ANYWHERE where Israel bombed. >Israel is the ONLY country in HISTORY that always sends civilian warnings to evacuate ahead of an attack. They call civilians on their fucking cellphones. "Yeah we destroyed all your schools, hospitals, refugee camps, homes, we also shot you on the road we told you to go on to be safe and put tanks on other roads we told you would be safe and shot you with them, we also didn't give you enough time to evacuate, we also dont allow any food and water to reach you, but at least we told you before we started genociding you!"
The UN and other parties have stated and proven Hamas use of human shield tactics several times. [One example](https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AHRC47NGO72_250621.pdf)
On the 2nd paragraph, it says "Hamas aggression triggered Israel's right to self-defense", but doesn't mention Israel's crimes that they committed which caused the aggression in the first place, no white phosphorus or The Great March or snipers shooting children. At the end of the day, the UN is a western backed organization where the USA gets to veto anything they don't like. Thats not even mentioning that Israel uses LITERAL human shields, they make Palestinian civilians move suspicious objects on roads and in some instances, literally uses Palestinians children as cover, as in, literal human shields. That's not even mentioning that Israel needs to prove that Hamas is where they claim they are before bombing a place full of citizens, which they have never done. Or the fact that Israel have the technology to do precise strikes instead of carpet bombing hospitals and refugee camps. Regardless of what you think about Hamas, genociding civilians is bad, no matter the excuse. This is the equivalent of saying the Holocaust was justified because there was Polish Resistance.
Bro no amount of violence justifies targeting civilians. You can condemn the actions israel took in Gaza and the west bank without bending over backwards trying to justify the actions hamas have committed
I have no problem with this stance, as long as you see what Israel is doing is a literal genocide and fucking horrible, then feel free to condemn Hamas however much you want. Personally, though, when you slaughter innocents, don't be surprised when their kids grow up to hate you. Without Hamas, who will help Palestinians? No one, Arab countries are too cowardly, and the west is not exactly new to genocide. Hamas retaliated to warcrimes and slaughtering of innocents by trying to take hostages to free some of their own civilians who were jailed without trial, after all Palestinians tolerated, I don't think they are in the wrong for fighting back.
Once again justifying hamas attacks. Good job.
I mean, yeah, as I said, no one was talking about Israel committing warcrimes and killings tens of thousands, but Hamas tried to fight back and suddenly everyone acting like killing 10s of thousands as retaliation is fine.
Normalize harvesting the organs of someone rebranding the "there are children starving in Africa" online tantrums.
I think it's a good thing to not take having food for granted. Don't use it as a tool guilt trip your children though.
a genocide where both sides are assholes? yeah i should really care about that enough to try to shut down other people's conversations!
ikr? That random citizen was *such* an asshole to his neighbor the other day
Unpopular opinion but I don't understand what's the problem with this, we should be focusing on the Palestinians as much as possible Obviously you are allow to have fun and break for once awhile, but Football game is less important then a genocide
I think there's two sides to this: making every moment of your day about Palestine won't improve the things there, but it >will< destroy your mental health. The question is also how many people you're going to convince this way, or if you should dedicate your energy to spreading your message in another way. On the other side, I think a lot of people just want "those annoying activists" to shut up so they can completely ignore what's happening. We saw that during every horrible event in history. "Ugh, John Brown is such a bother, why does that man keep preaching about slaves? What am I supposed to do about it? He's ruining my whole day."
Isn't this just privilege
It is, but that's how the world works, right? You can't magically fix that. Not everyone is willing or able to completely sacrifice their happiness to improve things. Ofcourse, I hope that these people will still do their best to work on improving things regardless.
I was FaceTiming my 9 y/o nephew today and we had a fun little convo about palworld. I completely forgot to bring up the genocide going on smh, I feel like such a FOOL.
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Yeah that's pretty shitty, but why is it any more important than say, Russia's invasion of Ukraine or the Uyghur genocide? They've all been happening for years, this one is just the important one because it's being represented as a western country backed genocide, and we need a reason to hate the west, even when both of those claims are debatable.
>Yeah that's pretty shitty, but why is it any more important than say, Russia's invasion of Ukraine or the Uyghur genocide? The scale of deaths is much larger, it is backed by the US, and is a literal genocide not a war. >even when both of those claims are debatable. "Obviously, the people who faced oppression and genocide for 80 years are equally as bad as the genociders"
“Literal genocide, not a war” https://re-russia.net/en/review/171/ https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/A_HRC_52_62_AUV_EN.pdf
I am not against Ukraine, Ukrainians deserve freedom and they don't deserve this cruel meaningless war, however, it is still a war, 2 countries with advanced militaries fight each other, one backed by the US, the other is literally Russia, and the fighting mostly happens on the battlefield. In Gaza, only one side has military power, only one side is backed by a super power, and that same side is the one bombing civilians directly, there's no battlefield, there is no fighting, just civilians getting killed.
Also, did you not read the links I specifically put in my comment for you to read and to see my point. There is a war in Ukraine, yes, but there is also a Genocide, these two are not mutually exclusive.
I did read them, my point was, genocide is not just killing innocents, it is trying to either eradicate their whole race or to ethnically cleanse them from the area, Russia wants to do that, however, currently, they are incapable of doing it, they need to win the war to do it. Innocents died in Iraq and Afghanistan because of America, but no one calls those a genocide.
You know, I’d believe you more if Israel couldn’t just win at any time. The Arabic population of the Levantine has increased over a thousand percent in the last 80 years, and don’t say they’re stopped by the Islamic world, they attack them all the time anyways and they always fail. This was Hamas’s whole plan, attack Israel first, hide behind civilians, have the civilians die, act like the problem they created is an international tragedy, and you ate it up.
Attack Israel first? Did you suddenly forget about everything Israel did in the last 80 years? Actually, why go that far back? Let's mention recent stuff, they dropped white phosphorus on Gaza, they shot peaceful protestors in The Great March, they enforced a blockade on Gaza in 2023 and killed 300 Palestinian citizens in 2023 before Oct 7 (during a ceasefire), and many more things, but these are the main points, now, in your opinion, after Israel did all this, did Hamas attack first? Also, "hide behind civilians", how so? Israel bombed refugee camps, schools, universities, water supplies, bakeries, mosques, churches and ALL hospitals in Gaza, they also bombed places where they said civilians would be safe and should evacuate to, as well as shoot civilians on roads they claimed to be safe and placed tanks on those roads to shoot cars evacuating, they also planted mines in civilian's homes, and with all that, they have yet to provide ANY evidence that Hamas was ANYWHERE where they claim they were. Not to mention them chasing down their own stripped hostages waving white flags and shooting them, and their defense was "we didn't know they were Israelis, we thought we were shooting Palestinian civilians waving white flags" Saying "they are forcing us to kill civilians! See, us bombing everything and shooting innocents in the street is just self defense, if we genocide everyone in Gaza, there will be no Hamas left, don't you see?" Isn't as strong of an argument as you think
We can list what one side did to the other all day, we can say the Palestinians attacked Lebanon for no reason, we can say all they invented is the suicide vest, we can say they murdered a bunch of pro-Palestinian Israelites to further increase radicalization, we can say that Arabs are perfectly accepted in Israel but Jews are ruthlessly murdered in Palestine, but even that, none of that makes Palestinians worse than Israelis. This was inevitable once the same piece of land was promised to 2 different people, and because both sides have been overtaken by the idea that everyone they're fighting is literally Satan and we cannot give them once inch, and now that's been extended overseas and now you have to pick a side or else you are a fence sitter who hates minorities. Both of you fucking suck, you handled ALL OF THIS poorly, you have NO MORAL SUPERIORITY over the people you hate, and you're now both acting like the shortcuts you took were ALWAYS justified, because it's easier to lie to the world than it is to tell the truth to yourself.
>we can say that Arabs are perfectly accepted in Israel but Jews are ruthlessly murdered in Palestine Except that's not true, Arabs have less rights in Israel and aren't allowed in many roads and towns, while there are no Jews in Palestine not because they get killed or treated badly, but because they just went to Israel, there are literally no Jews in Palestine as far as I am aware. >Both of you fucking suck Zionist came in, massacred, raped, looted and displaced innocents. But clearly it is both sides that are wrong here, I mean, the civilians should've just been genocided in silence, them fighting back is the problem, clearly. >This was inevitable once the same piece of land was promised to 2 different people The British decided that they could give land they didn't own to Zionists, and zionists came in and massacred innocents, but clearly it is the people who were living there that are in the wrong, how can they expect to have their own land when the British said otherwise? Clearly it is their fault.
Oh of course, Jews were and are treated wonderfully in Palestine, why would they ever treat Jews badly there? But also they're evil and we hate them. This is the doublethink I'm talking about, we shouldn't keep giving Israel free weapons, but I'm not supporting this lunacy. Nothing was ever stopping both of you from living together, except that neither of you could stomach being near someone who isn't like you, you'd rather kill each other than compromise. The whole conflict is like 2 dogs tearing each other apart over a pile of steak because their instincts have overwhelmed their logic, it's one hell of a tragedy, and it's also a great reflection of what's wrong with us as people.
>Jews were and are treated wonderfully in Palestine, True >But also they're evil and we hate them We don't hate Jews, we hate Israelis, Jews are our brothers in Abrahamic religion, in case you are saying this is a "Islam vs Judaism" thing, it is not. Palestinians don't have a problem with Jews, they have a problem with Israelis, a former Palestinian who went to Israel and became an Israeli is hated as much as a Jewish Israeli, because religion doesn't matter, only ideology does. >Nothing was ever stopping both of you from living together, except that neither of you could stomach being near someone who isn't like you Or you know, the fact that zionists came in, massacred innocents and took their land, and didn't like it when Palestinians asked for the land back, Palestinians had no issue with Jewish refugees during WWII, but they did have a problem with Zionists slaughtering them and taking their land. I get that it is easier to just say "both sides" than look into this issue deeper, but the truth is, Palestinians just want justice for their loved ones and to get their land back, they nearly starve daily and struggle, while their "neighbors" actively try to kill them and ethnically cleanse Gaza while living in luxury, then some American comes and says "both sides" when Palestinians fight back.
Do you have anything to say *condemning* that?
Well I guess you're right. Then it'd be nice if they got their land back, but I still feel iffy. I'm gay, and so therefore I'd be killed by about 90% of the Arabic world, even though being gay makes me happy and doesn't hurt anyone.
Do something about it then.
Damn
I love being unable to have any issues myself. Someone else has it worse so I must now imagine myself being happy and must now sacrifice myself for others.