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SS: The United States Supreme Court has overturned 40 years of precedent that gave relatively broad authority to federal regulatory agencies to craft limits for industry in the interests of consumers and the environment. By reversing this established policy—known as Chevron—the Court has substantially weakened the government's ability to rein in corporations, which has serious implications for everything from organized labor to environmental protection.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1dql6i4/the_supreme_court_weakens_federal_regulators/laorekf/
Everyone keep calm and vote for who has the better cabinet. Biden easily has that with more experienced people who have a majority of the country's best interest in mind. I'll take that over Jared Kushner selling the US out to its face and any of Trump's offspring or in laws in power calling the shots
If Biden and the people in his administration win maybe the number of Supreme Court justices can be increased by two or even three if need be therefore giving the Court an anti - Fascist majority .
On the one hand, voting for the lesser evil is voting for evil, but on the other hand Trump is promising to be the next Gorbachev and destroy a nation-state that exports a lot of energy products, agricultural products and financial services to the rest of the world while simultaneously withdrawing the security guarantees that keep a fourth reich out of the German [overton window.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window)
Ideally there would be some easy way to pressure the DNC into doing a better job againt fascism, in the same way that there ought to have been some easy way to pressure Sulpicius into doing a better job against the upstart Sulla. I think municipalities in blue states threatening to secede from both the union and their state as city-states would trigger competence on Capitol Hill but that's so far out of the realm of plausibility that it's not worth considering.
Legitimately wondering if there will be assassination attempts in the near future. I do not condone that, obviously, but things can only get so much worse before crazy people start doing crazy things :/
Did we forget Cesar Sayoc or are we ignoring him? Presidents aren't the only ones who get attempts nor are they always directed against the ones currently in the majority.
Dang, I'm honestly not sure that I knew about that guy. I agree, the ever-increasing tension is affecting everyone (as in across the political spectrum).
*they have made their ruling now let them enforce it*
Only neolibs drank their own koolaid, and now we're going to live under fascism. I'd say it was fun, but I'd be lying.
have you seen the climate change CO2 and ocean temp graphs? We've been speed running our demise since basically the beginning of the industrial revolution!
> So we’re speed running this, huh?
Chevron was also the last peg before a bunch of gun control falls. IMO we'll see the 5-6 AWB cases that are pending/brewing get collected under one ruling, and tossed by October. Right before the election.
We are most definitely speed running this.
The Federalist Society coup is in full swing, folks. Our quasi-oligarchs will become full-fledged oligarchs because of this shameful, but totally predictable ruling.
I'm sure that someone else can break it down in a more detailed sense, but it very much seems that this iteration of the court wishes to dismantle significant parts of the administrative state. Functionally most legislatures cannot act in a manner timely enough to be useful and thus pass such authority to the executive. If that's not possible then there's in practice very little to restrain certain interests.
I mean, just look at the founding father’s comments on why they wanted a legislative branch. They didn’t want a direct democracy and wanted to create institutions that specifically would operate outside the democratic levers of power.
As was planned by corporations for *decades*, starting with Philip Morris seeding "smokers' rights" by sending a copy of the Bill of Rights to every smoker on their mailing list back in the 1970's.
Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh all cashed checked from Philip Morris long before they started building up Fox News and the GOP propaganda machine.
And because of that half the country is wondering why Biden is oppressing them rather than pointing their ire at their oligarch overlords.
As much as I hate those guys, you have to respect their play. Long term, no let up, relentless, never compromising.
Organisation is superior to owning an AR-15 anyway. It's not like the federal government will crumble due to a bunch of disorganized millitia with firearms. They have the damn US army to deal with that. If you manage to organize enough people you barely need guns. Alternatively you can usually acquire them by storming a Bastille or something. All systems rest on the great mass of people that make up the pyramid. If enough of the bottom bits decide to tap out the top falls. The 2A is useful for certain things but overthrowing your government doesn't hinge on easy access to guns. Without the more fundamental steps (which, again, are rather gun-neutral) your more likely to end up with various groups fighting each other regardless of whether the government falls or not.
Iron law of oligarchy.
The sooner people understand what's going on, then the sooner we can talk about it. We've lived in a technocracy for my entire life. Now, we're making the hard right turn to fascism. Let's see how it goes folks.
See how it goes ? It is running quickly into mass concentration camps and if the Fascists in charge decide that camps are too expensive it’ll become affordable mass murder .
Basically, a [Hungary-style takeover of the legal system](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111274698/how-the-american-right-became-aligned-with-hungary-and-its-authoritarian-leader), where the laws, regulations and legal doctrines are modified to allow a minority to cling to power. That interview was in 2022, and it has been a slow-rolling coup carried out in broad daylight over decades. Project 2025 is the capstone. But not enough people have awoken to the immanent danger, it seems.
realistically, what is the best way to stop this from happening? We have proven time and time again that people will not vote in the numbers we need them to, and the Dems do not seem interested in actually stopping this from happening, otherwise you would see this shit *everywhere*.
A part from violence that most people do not want, I do not see a way to stop what is happening. Fuck all the bothsiders and fascists who are okay with a Trump dictatorship.
Realistically if you can't organize to vote against it, and your court system is already broken, you're pretty much screwed. Even in an imperfect democracy it's easier to achieve change through voting than revolution. Sorry for the poor prognosis but events speak for themselves.
> A part from violence that most people do not want, I do not see a way to stop what is happening.
Even in states where mail-in voting is easy to do, turnout is abysmal.
Even when given the option of staying home, filling out a ballot with a pen in 10-15 minutes and mailing it, people prefer… not doing it.
The Fascists are winning because Americans are fucking *lazy.*
If people won’t even vote, it’ll take a lot for them to take to the streets in violent protest.
I think it's more that corporate interests have recently figured out the true power of propaganda.
It's stronger than nukes, stronger than chemical or biological weapons. Controlling the minds of the electorate can bring entire nations to heel without firing a single shot.
I personally think foreign actors are more to blame than corporate interests. America is playing geopolitics on easy mode. The nearest neighbors are allies, and their terrain fucking sucks. Invading from Canadian tundra or the Sonora Desert would be a disaster. The heartland is rich, populous, and protected from invasion by two oceans and a navy so gigantic it dwarfs the next three competitors combined.
I guess an argument could be made that the Chinese are closing the gap, but I’d bet solid money on their navy being dogshit in a peer to peer war. Beyond their small number of aircraft carriers and dependence on a weird naval militia, they have no institutional experience with fighting at sea. You can have the fanciest toys in the world, but the US does too, and it has almost a hundred years of experience with warfare at sea.
Anyways, the United States is functionally uninvadable. Its geopolitical enemies know this. They also know that the US is a fractious and politically divided nation with a large segment of the population that is both easily manipulated and has a serious case of goldfish brain. If you can destabilize your geopolitical rival by shitposting online, slowly ruining the ability of their two political parties to have any sort of discourse, and radicalize two segments of the population to a point that any sort of cross-aisle outreach is frowned upon, you can detonate a nation without firing a shot, dispatching a ship, or launching a plane. This is very clearly outlined in a book by Putin loyalist and Russian political theorist Alexander Dugin.
While corporate interests are a weeping ulcer eating away the fabric of American democracy, they’re also almost totally ideologically amoral. Their propaganda and advertising campaigns are going to be focused on encouraging consumption and selling products, two things that domestic unrest and civil strife tend to put a damper on. People don’t go shopping for tchotchkes and Christmas presents when a country is ripping itself apart.
Edit: spelling. I’ve got night shift brain
Here's the thing though, *hate is a product*.
The massive multimedia blitz propaganda machines are *selling you mind control*, and people are buying it in droves.
News agencies are selling misinformation, rage bait. Lesser parties push the same big lies and tack on their own personal grifts.
Think about how much people must be spending on Trump flags and "there are only two genders" bumper stickers, t-shirts that say fuck Joe Biden.
Make no mistake, the culture war is a business.
*America is playing geopolitics on easy mode.*
You have no idea what you're talking about. The US lives under the Sword of Damocles. *Every* middle power has a reason to see US hegemony weaken. American corporate interest and American state interest have been in an unholy marriage since before either you or I have been born. They don't call them *banana republics* for nothing.
Of course foreign enemies are going to exploit the very fertile ground of American Fascism.
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*two things that domestic unrest and civil strife tend to put a damper on*
This is end of history propaganda wrapped up in a quip. 1909 sees the publication of The Great Illusion. The central premise was A great war was impossible because of economic interdependence. It was a fucking bestseller. WWI started in 1914, and y'all have learned no fucking lessons since.
HG Wells, "The war to end all wars": And you have learned nothing since.
The End of History was published in 1992, claiming liberal democracy was an inevitable end state, and y'all have learned nothing since.
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*corporate interests are a weeping ulcer eating away the fabric of American democracy*
You don't even live in a democracy. You don't live in a republic. You live in a technocrat flavor of oligarchy. Power concentrates in the hands of the few. It doesn't remain in the hands of the masses. The difference between Organized Labor and Labor is obvious, but as soon as someone points out the same thing is true in a democracy and people lose their goddamn minds.
I'm at least curious to see how it all plays out. As long as you have your health might as well. And find some enjoyment in the little things in the meantime.
Hmm except for the bit of the government that spends trillions on arms and infrastructure using borrowed cash. They don’t have a problem with that bit.
But this is why I’m skeptical of the whole GOP want to dismantle the government- they just want a government that does what they want. Grease the wheels.
Spoiler: It will continue to get worse.
Our government is but a shell for the corporations and the rich to achieve their insidious goals, operating under the thinly veiled guise of democracy.
Tbh, if Trump wins a second time, the USA will be mostly written off as a loss for the forseeable future. There's nobody with the power to help you out of your funk.
And all the MAGA CHUDs will still blame the poorest and most vulnerable for why they couldn’t MAGA and everyone has moved on from America. Their wrath will be terrible.
Yes they will blame them. They will deport immigrants, imprison political enemies and create a Russia like environment of fear.
See Trump’s last term for the preview.
Nah, they generally don't care about foreign policy so I doubt that they'd even notice. They might even enjoy "pwning the foreigners" even if it measurably decreases their quality of life.
It's a pretty bad time right now for the Federal Government to become dysfunctional. Multiple hurricanes are starting to form in the Atlantic, Bird Flu situation is still developing, and America may end up getting dragged into a war in the Middle East in the next few weeks.
SS: The United States Supreme Court has overturned 40 years of precedent that gave relatively broad authority to federal regulatory agencies to craft limits for industry in the interests of consumers and the environment. By reversing this established policy—known as Chevron—the Court has substantially weakened the government's ability to rein in corporations, which has serious implications for everything from organized labor to environmental protection.
Surely there is a better way to delineate the current complicated geopolitical and economic situation than this one simple profanity.
Hmmm... Nope. That's it.
A key factoid in future textbooks covering "the dissolution of the United States" into oligarchic corporate run fiefdoms and cult run backwaters. A country that could barely legislate now can't even regulate.
The US (for better and worse) owned the 20th Century, and in our bottomless hubris, assumed that would be the case forever.
The 21st Century will not belong to America. It might not belong to any state or nation, but it absolutely will not be us (for better and worse).
I'm ready to get the whole fucking thing over with.
I've been working on my chainmaille for nearly 3 years now, just for this.
Well, actually for the zombie apocalypse, but I suppose it will serve for this as well.
I don't even live in the US.
What they did was state that instead of having cases involving certain monetary penalties for companies going in front of a judge, the company can ask for a jury trial under the seventh amendment.
Yes, this makes it harder for federal agencies to do their jobs because of the increased cost, expense, and expertise needed to bring cases to trial.
It also furthers the court's history of deciding that corporations are people, people who enjoy every right of a citizen with billions of dollars in the bank, the gift of immortality, no moral obligation to the state or society, immunity to incarceration or execution by the state, and who can be dissolved and reformed with a different name to evade accountability.
170 years of cases have been built on the precedent that individual judges can make decisions in these types of cases; Congress has written laws saying, "take it to a judge in this specific type of court" as a sole means of enforcement. And now the Supreme Court has said that for many of those cases, that specific type of court holds no power of enforcement.
It's a wild judgment.
Edit: I was talking about SEC v. Jarkesy, which overturns Atlas Roofing. Sorry. This was about Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo and Relentless, Inc. v. Department of Commerce overturning Chevron. My bad.
*Your honor, please show us where the law says we have to install ALL the bolts on EVERY plane we make. This regulation is too restrictive*
- Boeing probably
Sounds like the MI Appeals Court saying that a tire rotation doesn't include tightening the lug nuts. Wheel falls off after a tire rotation performed by a shop? Ehh. Should have specified you wanted it done. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/11/09/court-tightened-lug-nuts-not-guaranteed-tire-rotation/4101005002/
Thank you for the detail. Honestly maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the jury could give a corporation the death penalty. It's unlikely but, if we're really lucky, it might even backfire. It's easier to bribe a judge, or find one beholden to the status quo, than it is with a jury after all.
At this point, SC is about to take a case on whether 3 year olds should work on mines and construction. They will then completely gut any child labor laws we have left all based on a 1820 vague law that says Children and babies should be working on the mines.
Slavery will be up one thousand fold with all the homeless people they’ll stick in for-profit prisons now. And more labor on the way as they Jack rent up more
[West Virginia couple charged with trafficking their adopted Black children to be used as ‘slaves,’ authorities allege | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/us/west-virginia-adopted-black-children-slaves-reaj/index.html)
Clarence Thomas is going to have the ultimate “Leopard Ate My Face” moment at some point in the future, and it’s the only comfort I find in these fucking dark times, as horrible as that is.
Teeing up Project 2025 for a seamless implementation when Trump wins in November if Dems continue to stick with Biden.
We are about to see corporations truly go mask-off.
GPAHE does a great job of tracking developments and has a blog about it that they update quite frequently.
https://globalextremism.org/post/project-2025-june-25th-update/
Almost any other Dem at this point. Independents and Progressives are looking at the Dem party establishment and wondering if they have lost their fucking minds. The answer is yes, they have, quite literally...just look at the declining mental status of Pelsoi. Look at a lot of Dem establishment and you see geriatrics with dementia issues.
Progressives and independents are unfortunatley likely pulling in different directions at this point though. The old guard seems to be falling (not just the Dems but across the board) with nothing set up to replace them. We have a similar paradigm in Europe (just look at France) though not yet as dire.
Im not so sure about “not yet as dire”. Y’all don’t seem to have a political party straight up saying they’re going to re-educate political opponents, or classify LGBT folks as pedophiles (while simultaneously pushing for pedophilia to get the death penalty. Weird how that works), or put migrants in concentration camps, or completely gut any sort of government regulatory agency. If shit goes right in November the US as it currently is will cease to exist, and millions of people will suffer for it. Personally I’ll take milquetoast corporate stooge for the next four years over a guy who will put my sister in a camp.
Europe-wide we definitly have elements thereof. Especially as to the migrants and camps thing - that's not far off in some of the border states. You forget that our states are actual states and that collective policy only goes so far.
At this point, knowing the American system, I'd almost argue that it's too late. Biden or bust basically. I hope that I'm wrong somehow.
No offense to Americans meant btw.
It basically is. We’ve got more than a year of messaging behind Biden. Attempts to find a replacement would worm way into the late fall, and would be an absolute disaster for any sort of cohesive campaign. Besides, knowing the DNC they’ll probably decide it’s Kamala’s “turn” and decide to back a candidate who is considers by a third of the country to be some sort of MtF puppet master and has all the charisma and personality of a cabbage you forgot about in your crisper drawer.
That's kinda the thing. Your electoral system is very individually focused. In my country (Sweden) it's not a huge deal (though still notable) to get rid of the person running the party because it's generally the party you vote for.
I don't really like them, but practically any Gen X Democrat would wipe the floor with Trump- Gavin Newsom, J.B. Pritzker, Andy Beshear, Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg, Wes Moore, to name a few.
> We are about to see corporations truly go mask-off.
We saw that last night by way of the mass c̸̡͕̰̯͔͉̗̠͕̰̘̩͓͖̃̆͂̕͠ę̸̜̬͕͎̋̽̓̏͜n̷̲̳͇̮̲̝̓͌͑̀s̶̢̛̛̟̞̳͇̳͇̹͓̮̫̆̾̑̈́̀͊̑̈́̈́ō̸̧̢̺̰͖̱̘͉̣̻̓̓̕͜r̷͕̞̠̭͔͓̍͛̅̄̎̃̀͝s̴̨̨̰͙͙̲͔̹̱̥̝͇̤͇͌̒͆̋͛̔̑̾́̆͘͘̚͜͝h̷̫̬͔̅͌͋̌̐̄̎̃͜ĭ̸͙̃̍̆̎̉̽̋͂̈́͌̕͠͝p̶̡̫͍̣̺̲͓͚̙͚͚̞̤̻͊̓̋͊̃̎̀̏̀̑̌̔̈́̕ͅ across various social media platforms after the ḑ̵͕͍͍͇͓͚̾ḙ̸̻͚͓̘͔̈́̉͗͐̍̐̒͝͝͝b̴̧̨̗͎̺̯̼̟̥̯͛̀͛̌͐̄̓͠ą̸̱͆̄̀t̶̛̛͓͍̬̙̹͎̭͓̳̠͚̺̫̅́̔̈͜͠͝ͅȅ̵̖̟̯̼̣͙̯̝͖͍̮̘͖̓́́̀̾̑͛̀̾̈̉̕̚͜͝ Welcome to ~~1984~~ 2024.
The best court money can buy. A Godsend for corporations and billionaires.
At least a lot of CEOs and shareholders will get rich before the end of the world and that's apparently all that matters.
I have the answer but no one listens. You need to incorporate “We the People” so that citizens are corporate persons. Then you need to crowdfund impressive counter-bribes to buy more humane laws.
Ah yes, latecomers to the game of monopoly wherein we have wealth consolidation that would make the pharaohs blush can just pool their increasingly meagre resources to counter-bribe the politicians who...are also part of the ruling class and have fingers in all the inhumane pies.
And have fun trying to organise that with a populace utterly numbed and stupefied by the propaganda they've been swimming in since birth.
It's always the same. People are unable to even imagine a paradigm shift that's absolutely critical to addressing the root of the problem in earnest. So long as you have private property, so long as such bribes are possible, you haven't reached the start line.
What I find so frustrating about this whole ideology is that they literally tried this before in chile. It didn’t work out well
Yet they love the defense of “communism has never worked”, my brother, unregulated capitalism never worked either
The free market people will call this progress until they get laid off or disabled by over work and disease. Then they will spout the usual "more alike than different" bullshit.
We should be as frothingly angry about this case as dobbs. Young people especially should be screaming and waving signs from street corners, throwing paint on SCOTUS steps, and marching a million strong.
People will be in favor of deregulation until everyone gets horribly sick and starts dying from "unknown causes"
But by then many of us will be too sick or weak to do anything about it.
**Congress:** “We've written a bill saying that we want to preserve clean water. We call it the Clean Water Act.”
**President:** “Cool, I'll sign it into law. Then I'll create a Clean Water Agency to oversee and protect water sources. The Agency will assemble a team of scientists and other experts on the issue, write policies and perform monitoring to ensure water stays clean.”
**Clean Water Agency (CWA):** “We're ready.”
**Industrial Co, Inc.:** “We want to dump 10 tons of Nasty-Chem into Crystal Clear River.”
**CWA:** “No. That violates CWA regulations.”
**Industrial Co, Inc.:** “See you in court, CWA!”
**Court (with Chevron):** “Well, the Clean Water Agency says 10 tons of Nasty-Chem would make the water unclean, thus violating the Clean Water Act. The CWA are experts in this matter, so we'll defer to them. Sorry Industrial Co, you can't dump your chemicals. Your suit is dismissed.”
**Court (without Chevron):** “Hmm. The CWA says Nasty-Chem is bad, but let's hear from Industrial Co's experts. And what did Congress really mean by ‘clean’ water, anyway? Maybe the CWA went too far when they wrote this policy. Let's have a jury trial to decide the issue.”
[This article by AP provides context](https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-chevron-regulations-environment-4ae73d5a79cabadff4da8f7e16669929) and should be able to explain it in a easy way.
Here is a snippet of it:
> Executive branch agencies will likely have more difficulty regulating the environment, public health, workplace safety and other issues under a far-reaching decision by the Supreme Court.
A law cannot include every single aspect and minute details of a subject. There are ambiguities in laws. The Chevron Doctrine allows the experts in agencies make interpretation of a law.
Having it overturned means agencies and the experts in the agencies have to spell out the minute details. Basically agencies will have extremely hard time regulating from their expertise. Say an agency say the way a company is collecting water contains poison and they need to collect it in a different way, now the company can just drag it out in courts instead of spending extra couple of dollars to not have water contain poison because corporation will just file a lawsuit and drag it out.
This also leave the decision up to court entirely instead of experts, scientists etc in these agencies if the company decides to challenge it, which 100% they will in almost all cases.
This is why a democrat NEEDS to win the presidency in November. The three oldest justices are conservatives. We are so close to the court swinging the other way.
Enormous power grab taking executive and legislative branches by SC. Fed Courts don’t have courts or judges for this which of course is the point. Would love to get Dem House, Senate, Pres and pass explicit law authorizing Chevron, along with the statement that it is not reviewable by SC. Also, expand the SC.
Just a comment to the specific case, since I know someone who works in fisheries at NOAA...
They can certainly go and make their money, freed from regulations... for a while. The quota structure and all of that was put in place in an attempt to sustain those fisheries, to keep them viable for the long term. Remember the Atlantic cod. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cod-return-1.5992916](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cod-return-1.5992916)
I think there are a lot of people who have not read the case nor understand the scope of power the "Chevron deference" gave to regulatory agencies.
To keep this comment as short and simple as possible, how many times have *you* read that regulatory agencies have been captured by or are unduly influenced by corporations, and agreed with, upvoted etc. that comment? The Chevron deference says "**courts should defer to the decisions of these regulatory agencies** when these agencies come up with their own interpretation on any ambiguity in the law."
Regardless of who you are voting for, is this what *you* want the legal standard to be for whatever government we have in 2025?
>Regardless of who you are voting for, is this what you want the legal standard to be for whatever government we have in 2025?
Fair enough point, but if the election goes a certain way in November, then all future rules will be whatever the kakistocracy says they are.
I'm generally pessimistic due to whom drove the change and their most likely motives. Still I will admitt that I don't understand the American system well enough to know how this will play out.
Look, all of this could be solved with CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS (everyone seems to have forgotten about those) which is the most direct CHECK on the Supreme Court's power and used to be actually done, but our nation is too dysfunctional and gridlocked to do anything meaningful anymore. We could have BANNED private lobbyists full stop, we could publicly funded all elections from local treasurer all the way to president and ban private money into campaigns, we could have used neutral computer-generated redistricting lines and rid ourselves of the archaic and weird ruling party redistricting rule, etc. We could have done any of this, but at the end of the day, Americans let money rule the day- they were fully on board with private interests over PUBLIC interests ruling our society- we couldn't even have universal public HEALTHCARE insurance because apparently people want to enrich the useless middlemen insurance co. owners to dictate their healthcare for them.
As Thomas Jefferson said, "The government you elect is the government you deserve," and that doesn't just mean the PRESIDENT, but from every elected position throughout society.
Here's a great explanation of what the potential consequences are for environmental law.
[https://www.resilience.org/stories/2024-05-08/does-us-climate-policy-have-a-herring-problem-part-2/](https://www.resilience.org/stories/2024-05-08/does-us-climate-policy-have-a-herring-problem-part-2/)
tl;dr: "*The Court appoints itself—instead of Congress or the expert agency—the decision maker* *on climate policy. I cannot think of many things more frightening." -* Justice Kagan
The following submission statement was provided by /u/NottaNiceUsername: --- SS: The United States Supreme Court has overturned 40 years of precedent that gave relatively broad authority to federal regulatory agencies to craft limits for industry in the interests of consumers and the environment. By reversing this established policy—known as Chevron—the Court has substantially weakened the government's ability to rein in corporations, which has serious implications for everything from organized labor to environmental protection. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1dql6i4/the_supreme_court_weakens_federal_regulators/laorekf/
So we’re speed running this, huh?
Oh give it about 5 months, then we're going to see warp factor 10.
Hate to say it, but after the debate I have to agree.
Everyone keep calm and vote for who has the better cabinet. Biden easily has that with more experienced people who have a majority of the country's best interest in mind. I'll take that over Jared Kushner selling the US out to its face and any of Trump's offspring or in laws in power calling the shots
Sadly with this Supreme Court ruling the cabinet won't matter as the courts can now just veto all the regulations the departments try to implement.
Yup. This was a power grab.
Vote for Biden and his Cabinet anyway .
If Biden and the people in his administration win maybe the number of Supreme Court justices can be increased by two or even three if need be therefore giving the Court an anti - Fascist majority .
Most Americans couldn't tell you what the cabinet is, much less who in either presidents cabinet.
On the one hand, voting for the lesser evil is voting for evil, but on the other hand Trump is promising to be the next Gorbachev and destroy a nation-state that exports a lot of energy products, agricultural products and financial services to the rest of the world while simultaneously withdrawing the security guarantees that keep a fourth reich out of the German [overton window.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) Ideally there would be some easy way to pressure the DNC into doing a better job againt fascism, in the same way that there ought to have been some easy way to pressure Sulpicius into doing a better job against the upstart Sulla. I think municipalities in blue states threatening to secede from both the union and their state as city-states would trigger competence on Capitol Hill but that's so far out of the realm of plausibility that it's not worth considering.
A vote for president is a vote for the kind of person they will appoint to the Supreme Court.
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Legitimately wondering if there will be assassination attempts in the near future. I do not condone that, obviously, but things can only get so much worse before crazy people start doing crazy things :/
Did we forget Cesar Sayoc or are we ignoring him? Presidents aren't the only ones who get attempts nor are they always directed against the ones currently in the majority.
Dang, I'm honestly not sure that I knew about that guy. I agree, the ever-increasing tension is affecting everyone (as in across the political spectrum).
Especially since Americans are an intensely propagandized population and every channel that isn’t escapism is just screaming “BE AFRAID!”
In some ways January 6 was kind of like one big mob assassination intent.
Yassss. You just got me hard. Glass it. I've seen enough
Making Trump immune would do that.
This is what it looks like when the law is doing it's best to choke on big business's cock
*they have made their ruling now let them enforce it* Only neolibs drank their own koolaid, and now we're going to live under fascism. I'd say it was fun, but I'd be lying.
Those gifts after the fact were just appreciative thank yous for gargling the balls so well. Nothing QUID PRO QUO involved, obviously.
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Over in r/law there seems to be a consensus we've slipped into the legal stage of fascism. That seems about right to me.
have you seen the climate change CO2 and ocean temp graphs? We've been speed running our demise since basically the beginning of the industrial revolution!
It’s inevitable, sure, but the outcomes for specific problems can look different
> So we’re speed running this, huh? Chevron was also the last peg before a bunch of gun control falls. IMO we'll see the 5-6 AWB cases that are pending/brewing get collected under one ruling, and tossed by October. Right before the election. We are most definitely speed running this.
If we’re going down, we’re doing it in a blaze of glory.
The Federalist Society coup is in full swing, folks. Our quasi-oligarchs will become full-fledged oligarchs because of this shameful, but totally predictable ruling.
I'm sure that someone else can break it down in a more detailed sense, but it very much seems that this iteration of the court wishes to dismantle significant parts of the administrative state. Functionally most legislatures cannot act in a manner timely enough to be useful and thus pass such authority to the executive. If that's not possible then there's in practice very little to restrain certain interests.
> If that's not possible then there's in practice very little to restrain certain interests. This is a feature, not a bug.
Yeah, it'd be weird if that wasn't the point once it's climbed so high.
I mean, just look at the founding father’s comments on why they wanted a legislative branch. They didn’t want a direct democracy and wanted to create institutions that specifically would operate outside the democratic levers of power.
And the 2A nuts who promised to water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants are on the side of the tyrants.
Play acting as tyrants no less
As was planned by corporations for *decades*, starting with Philip Morris seeding "smokers' rights" by sending a copy of the Bill of Rights to every smoker on their mailing list back in the 1970's. Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh all cashed checked from Philip Morris long before they started building up Fox News and the GOP propaganda machine.
And because of that half the country is wondering why Biden is oppressing them rather than pointing their ire at their oligarch overlords. As much as I hate those guys, you have to respect their play. Long term, no let up, relentless, never compromising.
I would never respect ruthless, unencumbered, rampant gluttonous evil
Imagine how profitable it would be if heroin were legal and you could... Oh right, the Sacklers.
They never cared about authoritarianism. They only cared that they were in line with the authority
Always have been 🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
As long as the Leopards are eating other people's faces, they're fine, of course.
Organisation is superior to owning an AR-15 anyway. It's not like the federal government will crumble due to a bunch of disorganized millitia with firearms. They have the damn US army to deal with that. If you manage to organize enough people you barely need guns. Alternatively you can usually acquire them by storming a Bastille or something. All systems rest on the great mass of people that make up the pyramid. If enough of the bottom bits decide to tap out the top falls. The 2A is useful for certain things but overthrowing your government doesn't hinge on easy access to guns. Without the more fundamental steps (which, again, are rather gun-neutral) your more likely to end up with various groups fighting each other regardless of whether the government falls or not.
Iron law of oligarchy. The sooner people understand what's going on, then the sooner we can talk about it. We've lived in a technocracy for my entire life. Now, we're making the hard right turn to fascism. Let's see how it goes folks.
See how it goes ? It is running quickly into mass concentration camps and if the Fascists in charge decide that camps are too expensive it’ll become affordable mass murder .
Thanks for saying it's a coup. Just because it didn't happen overnight in a swoop doesn't mean it isn't one.
Basically, a [Hungary-style takeover of the legal system](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111274698/how-the-american-right-became-aligned-with-hungary-and-its-authoritarian-leader), where the laws, regulations and legal doctrines are modified to allow a minority to cling to power. That interview was in 2022, and it has been a slow-rolling coup carried out in broad daylight over decades. Project 2025 is the capstone. But not enough people have awoken to the immanent danger, it seems.
realistically, what is the best way to stop this from happening? We have proven time and time again that people will not vote in the numbers we need them to, and the Dems do not seem interested in actually stopping this from happening, otherwise you would see this shit *everywhere*. A part from violence that most people do not want, I do not see a way to stop what is happening. Fuck all the bothsiders and fascists who are okay with a Trump dictatorship.
Realistically if you can't organize to vote against it, and your court system is already broken, you're pretty much screwed. Even in an imperfect democracy it's easier to achieve change through voting than revolution. Sorry for the poor prognosis but events speak for themselves.
> A part from violence that most people do not want, I do not see a way to stop what is happening. Even in states where mail-in voting is easy to do, turnout is abysmal. Even when given the option of staying home, filling out a ballot with a pen in 10-15 minutes and mailing it, people prefer… not doing it. The Fascists are winning because Americans are fucking *lazy.* If people won’t even vote, it’ll take a lot for them to take to the streets in violent protest.
I think it's more that corporate interests have recently figured out the true power of propaganda. It's stronger than nukes, stronger than chemical or biological weapons. Controlling the minds of the electorate can bring entire nations to heel without firing a single shot.
I personally think foreign actors are more to blame than corporate interests. America is playing geopolitics on easy mode. The nearest neighbors are allies, and their terrain fucking sucks. Invading from Canadian tundra or the Sonora Desert would be a disaster. The heartland is rich, populous, and protected from invasion by two oceans and a navy so gigantic it dwarfs the next three competitors combined. I guess an argument could be made that the Chinese are closing the gap, but I’d bet solid money on their navy being dogshit in a peer to peer war. Beyond their small number of aircraft carriers and dependence on a weird naval militia, they have no institutional experience with fighting at sea. You can have the fanciest toys in the world, but the US does too, and it has almost a hundred years of experience with warfare at sea. Anyways, the United States is functionally uninvadable. Its geopolitical enemies know this. They also know that the US is a fractious and politically divided nation with a large segment of the population that is both easily manipulated and has a serious case of goldfish brain. If you can destabilize your geopolitical rival by shitposting online, slowly ruining the ability of their two political parties to have any sort of discourse, and radicalize two segments of the population to a point that any sort of cross-aisle outreach is frowned upon, you can detonate a nation without firing a shot, dispatching a ship, or launching a plane. This is very clearly outlined in a book by Putin loyalist and Russian political theorist Alexander Dugin. While corporate interests are a weeping ulcer eating away the fabric of American democracy, they’re also almost totally ideologically amoral. Their propaganda and advertising campaigns are going to be focused on encouraging consumption and selling products, two things that domestic unrest and civil strife tend to put a damper on. People don’t go shopping for tchotchkes and Christmas presents when a country is ripping itself apart. Edit: spelling. I’ve got night shift brain
Here's the thing though, *hate is a product*. The massive multimedia blitz propaganda machines are *selling you mind control*, and people are buying it in droves. News agencies are selling misinformation, rage bait. Lesser parties push the same big lies and tack on their own personal grifts. Think about how much people must be spending on Trump flags and "there are only two genders" bumper stickers, t-shirts that say fuck Joe Biden. Make no mistake, the culture war is a business.
*America is playing geopolitics on easy mode.* You have no idea what you're talking about. The US lives under the Sword of Damocles. *Every* middle power has a reason to see US hegemony weaken. American corporate interest and American state interest have been in an unholy marriage since before either you or I have been born. They don't call them *banana republics* for nothing. Of course foreign enemies are going to exploit the very fertile ground of American Fascism. _____________________________________________________ *two things that domestic unrest and civil strife tend to put a damper on* This is end of history propaganda wrapped up in a quip. 1909 sees the publication of The Great Illusion. The central premise was A great war was impossible because of economic interdependence. It was a fucking bestseller. WWI started in 1914, and y'all have learned no fucking lessons since. HG Wells, "The war to end all wars": And you have learned nothing since. The End of History was published in 1992, claiming liberal democracy was an inevitable end state, and y'all have learned nothing since. ____________________________________________________ *corporate interests are a weeping ulcer eating away the fabric of American democracy* You don't even live in a democracy. You don't live in a republic. You live in a technocrat flavor of oligarchy. Power concentrates in the hands of the few. It doesn't remain in the hands of the masses. The difference between Organized Labor and Labor is obvious, but as soon as someone points out the same thing is true in a democracy and people lose their goddamn minds.
Anyone else seeing the USSR collapse parallels with the hyper corruption, accelerated capitalism they saw towards the end?
This one has hit me really hard. Sitting at my desk at work and having a hard time trying not to spiral. Fuck I hate this world.
Trying working in government today lol, insane. At least only half my paycheck comes from the federal government.
I can't recall feeling this paralyzed by politics at my desk since Trump won in 2016. I've gotten fuckall done today.
Sorry to say November doesn’t augur well for you, but maybe the crypt keeper has one last trick up his rotten sleeve
I suspect ill begin disassociating soon
Same. Dark day today.
I’m legitimately, earnestly trying to find reasons not to just end it all
Be useful for others in the times to come. I’m enlisting as a medic to try and grab some skills
You can still help yourself and neighbors. All is not lost, yet.
I'm at least curious to see how it all plays out. As long as you have your health might as well. And find some enjoyment in the little things in the meantime.
Holy fucking shit. The federal government is basically going to collapse
Republicans campaign on government not working and basically proceed to break as much shit as they can when they get in.
Step 1: break government Step 2: introduce privatization to "fix" government Step 3: return to step 1
Step 4: profit
I don't know how I could have forgotten the most important step.
Step 1A: claim that broken government could never work anyway Step 1B: claim that government is too big
Hmm except for the bit of the government that spends trillions on arms and infrastructure using borrowed cash. They don’t have a problem with that bit.
They will literally gut everything else in order to keep those checks going to the Military industrial complex.
But this is why I’m skeptical of the whole GOP want to dismantle the government- they just want a government that does what they want. Grease the wheels.
Looting and privatizing until it’s dead like what happened with Soviet Union.
Americans getting hit with the climate change-dying empire combo
Yes.
Spoiler: It will continue to get worse. Our government is but a shell for the corporations and the rich to achieve their insidious goals, operating under the thinly veiled guise of democracy.
Well it was SCOTUS who declared a corporation a “person” (no matter the original intent)… I guess, what do we expect, really?
Tbh, if Trump wins a second time, the USA will be mostly written off as a loss for the forseeable future. There's nobody with the power to help you out of your funk.
And all the MAGA CHUDs will still blame the poorest and most vulnerable for why they couldn’t MAGA and everyone has moved on from America. Their wrath will be terrible.
Yes they will blame them. They will deport immigrants, imprison political enemies and create a Russia like environment of fear. See Trump’s last term for the preview.
Nah, they generally don't care about foreign policy so I doubt that they'd even notice. They might even enjoy "pwning the foreigners" even if it measurably decreases their quality of life.
> Holy fucking shit. The federal government is collapsing in slow motion Like the climate catastrophe, it’s already happening
It's a pretty bad time right now for the Federal Government to become dysfunctional. Multiple hurricanes are starting to form in the Atlantic, Bird Flu situation is still developing, and America may end up getting dragged into a war in the Middle East in the next few weeks.
It’s been slowly collapsing since Regan administration.
Oh Jesus christ. This one is so bad. These fucking ghouls. Jesus.
SS: The United States Supreme Court has overturned 40 years of precedent that gave relatively broad authority to federal regulatory agencies to craft limits for industry in the interests of consumers and the environment. By reversing this established policy—known as Chevron—the Court has substantially weakened the government's ability to rein in corporations, which has serious implications for everything from organized labor to environmental protection.
Fuck.
Surely there is a better way to delineate the current complicated geopolitical and economic situation than this one simple profanity. Hmmm... Nope. That's it.
Sometimes, a single word suffices.
I think it's the period that does it. A nice finality.
Profane words for profane times and actions.
A key factoid in future textbooks covering "the dissolution of the United States" into oligarchic corporate run fiefdoms and cult run backwaters. A country that could barely legislate now can't even regulate.
The US (for better and worse) owned the 20th Century, and in our bottomless hubris, assumed that would be the case forever. The 21st Century will not belong to America. It might not belong to any state or nation, but it absolutely will not be us (for better and worse). I'm ready to get the whole fucking thing over with.
Honestly, I feel like we are about to live in a modern Snow Crash story I am not prepared for it. But I will be. Just gonna need some swords first……
I've been working on my chainmaille for nearly 3 years now, just for this. Well, actually for the zombie apocalypse, but I suppose it will serve for this as well. I don't even live in the US.
I just hope my current neighborhood gets taken over by a generous warlord.
I'm having difficulty envisioning a realistic scenario where 'future textbooks' make an appearance.
There will be one book, and OAN to tell us what to believe.
Future underground cave drawings/carvings/desperate scratchings, perhaps?
What they did was state that instead of having cases involving certain monetary penalties for companies going in front of a judge, the company can ask for a jury trial under the seventh amendment. Yes, this makes it harder for federal agencies to do their jobs because of the increased cost, expense, and expertise needed to bring cases to trial. It also furthers the court's history of deciding that corporations are people, people who enjoy every right of a citizen with billions of dollars in the bank, the gift of immortality, no moral obligation to the state or society, immunity to incarceration or execution by the state, and who can be dissolved and reformed with a different name to evade accountability. 170 years of cases have been built on the precedent that individual judges can make decisions in these types of cases; Congress has written laws saying, "take it to a judge in this specific type of court" as a sole means of enforcement. And now the Supreme Court has said that for many of those cases, that specific type of court holds no power of enforcement. It's a wild judgment. Edit: I was talking about SEC v. Jarkesy, which overturns Atlas Roofing. Sorry. This was about Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo and Relentless, Inc. v. Department of Commerce overturning Chevron. My bad.
Boeing has entered the chat
*Your honor, please show us where the law says we have to install ALL the bolts on EVERY plane we make. This regulation is too restrictive* - Boeing probably
Sounds like the MI Appeals Court saying that a tire rotation doesn't include tightening the lug nuts. Wheel falls off after a tire rotation performed by a shop? Ehh. Should have specified you wanted it done. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/11/09/court-tightened-lug-nuts-not-guaranteed-tire-rotation/4101005002/
Sure but that window might crash at any moment lol.
You're talking about a different case than OP
Thanks. Fixed.
Thank you for the detail. Honestly maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the jury could give a corporation the death penalty. It's unlikely but, if we're really lucky, it might even backfire. It's easier to bribe a judge, or find one beholden to the status quo, than it is with a jury after all.
The United States of America is absolutely cooked.
These wounds are self inflicted.
At this point, SC is about to take a case on whether 3 year olds should work on mines and construction. They will then completely gut any child labor laws we have left all based on a 1820 vague law that says Children and babies should be working on the mines.
Bringing slavery back, that's where this goes
Slavery never left though
Slavery will be up one thousand fold with all the homeless people they’ll stick in for-profit prisons now. And more labor on the way as they Jack rent up more
[West Virginia couple charged with trafficking their adopted Black children to be used as ‘slaves,’ authorities allege | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/us/west-virginia-adopted-black-children-slaves-reaj/index.html)
We can now look forward to that case making its way up to the supreme court and getting overturned as "not technically slavery" using some bullshit.
In the ultimate irony, Clarence Thomas will trot out some Civil War era Confederate law as a precedent in support of this argument
Clarence Thomas is going to have the ultimate “Leopard Ate My Face” moment at some point in the future, and it’s the only comfort I find in these fucking dark times, as horrible as that is.
He's old enough he might not live long enough to see it.
If they had done in under an LLC they would be free and clear of any charges /s
Already happening with child migrants and prisoners right now.
Oh they did that by outlawing homelessness. Soon, work will set them free.
But the children yern for the mines.
It sure is a good thing for them that their building isn't made out of wood.
Of course they wait for the day after the debate... Bloody hell.
Evil has such good timing. Ma and Pa Kettle will never know why the next poison train exploded in their town
That's... a really depressing thought actually .—.
Which suggests that it might even be timed. Evil can be competent, not every dick is like Trump.
it’s time to pack the courts while we still have time
Expand, then pack. Joe needs to step the fuck up on this one.
This my friends, is collapse.
Well, these last twenty-four hours have convinced me to buy more ammo!
Its tough as a resident of NYC, but in the parlance of the I should buy a boat meme.... I should buy a gun.
I have spent my entire life fighting for gun control, but god damn if I am now afraid enough of fascism to want one.
Teeing up Project 2025 for a seamless implementation when Trump wins in November if Dems continue to stick with Biden. We are about to see corporations truly go mask-off.
where can i read more about project 2025?
https://www.anarchistfederation.net/project-2025-a-handmaids-tale-2-0/ https://heatmap.news/politics/trump-climate-change-project-2025 https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/comments/16amirs/the_gop_has_a_master_plan_to_criminalize_being/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/maga-plan-attack-birth-control-surveil-women-ban-abortion-pill-1234934807/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/09/trump-desantis-republicans-dismantle-deep-state/675378/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
r/Defeat_Project_2025
https://youtu.be/gYwqpx6lp_s?si=gvzzaFWHUvVFzXpr John Oliver did a segment recently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Defeat_Project_2025/s/ZIqnXr9svh
GPAHE does a great job of tracking developments and has a blog about it that they update quite frequently. https://globalextremism.org/post/project-2025-june-25th-update/
Who is an alternative to Biden that might reasonably be introduced as candidate and also stand a good/better chance to win at this point in time?
Almost any other Dem at this point. Independents and Progressives are looking at the Dem party establishment and wondering if they have lost their fucking minds. The answer is yes, they have, quite literally...just look at the declining mental status of Pelsoi. Look at a lot of Dem establishment and you see geriatrics with dementia issues.
Progressives and independents are unfortunatley likely pulling in different directions at this point though. The old guard seems to be falling (not just the Dems but across the board) with nothing set up to replace them. We have a similar paradigm in Europe (just look at France) though not yet as dire.
Im not so sure about “not yet as dire”. Y’all don’t seem to have a political party straight up saying they’re going to re-educate political opponents, or classify LGBT folks as pedophiles (while simultaneously pushing for pedophilia to get the death penalty. Weird how that works), or put migrants in concentration camps, or completely gut any sort of government regulatory agency. If shit goes right in November the US as it currently is will cease to exist, and millions of people will suffer for it. Personally I’ll take milquetoast corporate stooge for the next four years over a guy who will put my sister in a camp.
Europe-wide we definitly have elements thereof. Especially as to the migrants and camps thing - that's not far off in some of the border states. You forget that our states are actual states and that collective policy only goes so far.
At this point, knowing the American system, I'd almost argue that it's too late. Biden or bust basically. I hope that I'm wrong somehow. No offense to Americans meant btw.
It basically is. We’ve got more than a year of messaging behind Biden. Attempts to find a replacement would worm way into the late fall, and would be an absolute disaster for any sort of cohesive campaign. Besides, knowing the DNC they’ll probably decide it’s Kamala’s “turn” and decide to back a candidate who is considers by a third of the country to be some sort of MtF puppet master and has all the charisma and personality of a cabbage you forgot about in your crisper drawer.
That's kinda the thing. Your electoral system is very individually focused. In my country (Sweden) it's not a huge deal (though still notable) to get rid of the person running the party because it's generally the party you vote for.
AOC, Bernie, Warren, any democrat basically since our current goal is not implementing a dictatorship.
I would love to see Bernie win. At least someone younger and exactly like him. I just don’t think there’s time to lift up someone else and succeede.
AOC would be awesome as President.
Someone that can spit out multiple complete sentences without randomly changing the topic before they reach the conclusion
I don't really like them, but practically any Gen X Democrat would wipe the floor with Trump- Gavin Newsom, J.B. Pritzker, Andy Beshear, Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg, Wes Moore, to name a few.
Buttigieg is a millennial.
The govenor of CA might be decent at just holding back the chaos for 4 more years
> We are about to see corporations truly go mask-off. We saw that last night by way of the mass c̸̡͕̰̯͔͉̗̠͕̰̘̩͓͖̃̆͂̕͠ę̸̜̬͕͎̋̽̓̏͜n̷̲̳͇̮̲̝̓͌͑̀s̶̢̛̛̟̞̳͇̳͇̹͓̮̫̆̾̑̈́̀͊̑̈́̈́ō̸̧̢̺̰͖̱̘͉̣̻̓̓̕͜r̷͕̞̠̭͔͓̍͛̅̄̎̃̀͝s̴̨̨̰͙͙̲͔̹̱̥̝͇̤͇͌̒͆̋͛̔̑̾́̆͘͘̚͜͝h̷̫̬͔̅͌͋̌̐̄̎̃͜ĭ̸͙̃̍̆̎̉̽̋͂̈́͌̕͠͝p̶̡̫͍̣̺̲͓͚̙͚͚̞̤̻͊̓̋͊̃̎̀̏̀̑̌̔̈́̕ͅ across various social media platforms after the ḑ̵͕͍͍͇͓͚̾ḙ̸̻͚͓̘͔̈́̉͗͐̍̐̒͝͝͝b̴̧̨̗͎̺̯̼̟̥̯͛̀͛̌͐̄̓͠ą̸̱͆̄̀t̶̛̛͓͍̬̙̹͎̭͓̳̠͚̺̫̅́̔̈͜͠͝ͅȅ̵̖̟̯̼̣͙̯̝͖͍̮̘͖̓́́̀̾̑͛̀̾̈̉̕̚͜͝ Welcome to ~~1984~~ 2024.
Capitalism with a human face being replaced by capitalism in your face.
The best court money can buy. A Godsend for corporations and billionaires. At least a lot of CEOs and shareholders will get rich before the end of the world and that's apparently all that matters.
Sooner than expected.
accelerating straight into the dumpster. the next 5 years are going to be a roller coaster
Except a roller coaster is fun and not filled with misery.
Stop having kids
Fuckin awesome. Bro just fuckin nuke us. Just fucking nuke US citizens since these fuckin demons are gonna run us into oblivion anyways
Should’ve stacked the court
fuck RBG
The court should've been abolished entirely after it issued Bush v. Gore. That was the end of it as a legitimate institution.
I have the answer but no one listens. You need to incorporate “We the People” so that citizens are corporate persons. Then you need to crowdfund impressive counter-bribes to buy more humane laws.
Ah yes, latecomers to the game of monopoly wherein we have wealth consolidation that would make the pharaohs blush can just pool their increasingly meagre resources to counter-bribe the politicians who...are also part of the ruling class and have fingers in all the inhumane pies. And have fun trying to organise that with a populace utterly numbed and stupefied by the propaganda they've been swimming in since birth. It's always the same. People are unable to even imagine a paradigm shift that's absolutely critical to addressing the root of the problem in earnest. So long as you have private property, so long as such bribes are possible, you haven't reached the start line.
Only regulations the Supreme Court approves of are the ones involving women's bodies.
They didn’t weaken federal regulators, they gutted them. They basically said it’s the court’s job to do the regulating, not the executive branch.
What I find so frustrating about this whole ideology is that they literally tried this before in chile. It didn’t work out well Yet they love the defense of “communism has never worked”, my brother, unregulated capitalism never worked either
Precedent is no longer a standard
Mind boggling
The free market people will call this progress until they get laid off or disabled by over work and disease. Then they will spout the usual "more alike than different" bullshit.
This is a big deal. Fuck. Sad face.
We should be as frothingly angry about this case as dobbs. Young people especially should be screaming and waving signs from street corners, throwing paint on SCOTUS steps, and marching a million strong.
People will be in favor of deregulation until everyone gets horribly sick and starts dying from "unknown causes" But by then many of us will be too sick or weak to do anything about it.
Can someone explain this to me like I’m 5
**Congress:** “We've written a bill saying that we want to preserve clean water. We call it the Clean Water Act.” **President:** “Cool, I'll sign it into law. Then I'll create a Clean Water Agency to oversee and protect water sources. The Agency will assemble a team of scientists and other experts on the issue, write policies and perform monitoring to ensure water stays clean.” **Clean Water Agency (CWA):** “We're ready.” **Industrial Co, Inc.:** “We want to dump 10 tons of Nasty-Chem into Crystal Clear River.” **CWA:** “No. That violates CWA regulations.” **Industrial Co, Inc.:** “See you in court, CWA!” **Court (with Chevron):** “Well, the Clean Water Agency says 10 tons of Nasty-Chem would make the water unclean, thus violating the Clean Water Act. The CWA are experts in this matter, so we'll defer to them. Sorry Industrial Co, you can't dump your chemicals. Your suit is dismissed.” **Court (without Chevron):** “Hmm. The CWA says Nasty-Chem is bad, but let's hear from Industrial Co's experts. And what did Congress really mean by ‘clean’ water, anyway? Maybe the CWA went too far when they wrote this policy. Let's have a jury trial to decide the issue.”
[This article by AP provides context](https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-chevron-regulations-environment-4ae73d5a79cabadff4da8f7e16669929) and should be able to explain it in a easy way. Here is a snippet of it: > Executive branch agencies will likely have more difficulty regulating the environment, public health, workplace safety and other issues under a far-reaching decision by the Supreme Court. A law cannot include every single aspect and minute details of a subject. There are ambiguities in laws. The Chevron Doctrine allows the experts in agencies make interpretation of a law. Having it overturned means agencies and the experts in the agencies have to spell out the minute details. Basically agencies will have extremely hard time regulating from their expertise. Say an agency say the way a company is collecting water contains poison and they need to collect it in a different way, now the company can just drag it out in courts instead of spending extra couple of dollars to not have water contain poison because corporation will just file a lawsuit and drag it out. This also leave the decision up to court entirely instead of experts, scientists etc in these agencies if the company decides to challenge it, which 100% they will in almost all cases.
This is why a democrat NEEDS to win the presidency in November. The three oldest justices are conservatives. We are so close to the court swinging the other way.
Yup!
Enormous power grab taking executive and legislative branches by SC. Fed Courts don’t have courts or judges for this which of course is the point. Would love to get Dem House, Senate, Pres and pass explicit law authorizing Chevron, along with the statement that it is not reviewable by SC. Also, expand the SC.
Just a comment to the specific case, since I know someone who works in fisheries at NOAA... They can certainly go and make their money, freed from regulations... for a while. The quota structure and all of that was put in place in an attempt to sustain those fisheries, to keep them viable for the long term. Remember the Atlantic cod. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cod-return-1.5992916](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cod-return-1.5992916)
This is so fucking bad.
And yet Democrats still aren't gonna actually take shit seriously and try to expand the court while they can. Sigh.
I think there are a lot of people who have not read the case nor understand the scope of power the "Chevron deference" gave to regulatory agencies. To keep this comment as short and simple as possible, how many times have *you* read that regulatory agencies have been captured by or are unduly influenced by corporations, and agreed with, upvoted etc. that comment? The Chevron deference says "**courts should defer to the decisions of these regulatory agencies** when these agencies come up with their own interpretation on any ambiguity in the law." Regardless of who you are voting for, is this what *you* want the legal standard to be for whatever government we have in 2025?
The new standard is to "you don't know until someone litigates it".
>Regardless of who you are voting for, is this what you want the legal standard to be for whatever government we have in 2025? Fair enough point, but if the election goes a certain way in November, then all future rules will be whatever the kakistocracy says they are.
I'm generally pessimistic due to whom drove the change and their most likely motives. Still I will admitt that I don't understand the American system well enough to know how this will play out.
I’d rather have the agencies doing it, who have experts that know very specific subject areas, than fifth district yeehaws who will say anything goes,
Not a single other person in this thread has ever had to read Chevron. This is purely about the scope of judicial review of agency decisions.
I suppose this ruling is timely... we will need to roll back our cushy regulations following our imminent decline.
Now we know who really runs things for certain
Look, all of this could be solved with CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS (everyone seems to have forgotten about those) which is the most direct CHECK on the Supreme Court's power and used to be actually done, but our nation is too dysfunctional and gridlocked to do anything meaningful anymore. We could have BANNED private lobbyists full stop, we could publicly funded all elections from local treasurer all the way to president and ban private money into campaigns, we could have used neutral computer-generated redistricting lines and rid ourselves of the archaic and weird ruling party redistricting rule, etc. We could have done any of this, but at the end of the day, Americans let money rule the day- they were fully on board with private interests over PUBLIC interests ruling our society- we couldn't even have universal public HEALTHCARE insurance because apparently people want to enrich the useless middlemen insurance co. owners to dictate their healthcare for them. As Thomas Jefferson said, "The government you elect is the government you deserve," and that doesn't just mean the PRESIDENT, but from every elected position throughout society.
Here's a great explanation of what the potential consequences are for environmental law. [https://www.resilience.org/stories/2024-05-08/does-us-climate-policy-have-a-herring-problem-part-2/](https://www.resilience.org/stories/2024-05-08/does-us-climate-policy-have-a-herring-problem-part-2/) tl;dr: "*The Court appoints itself—instead of Congress or the expert agency—the decision maker* *on climate policy. I cannot think of many things more frightening." -* Justice Kagan