So, in my situation, I carry places that are normally off limits because I have permission. It's important I don't print so that no questions arise. Basically, they don't want every other person known to man asking for permission. Though I'd rather they give every licensed person permission but it's not my decision to make. I just don't want to rock the boat.
Brother i livr in California. Last thing i need is some fucking karen screaming about me killing babies or being misogynistic cause shes threatened by a lump in my shirt. I keep my shit hidden and unknown. The day someone KNOWS, everyone will.
I have. But i love cali. Guns are one part of the whole equation. I love the food, entertainment, culture, diversity, weather.... etc. Sure its got faults but every place does. I just keep trying to teach whoever i can the importance of owning a gun and punishing crime.
I have to agree with your viewpoint. You love where you are and are making the best of it. Please continue to educate those around you regarding the importance of the 2A. Thanks for responding!
It depends on your context. There are places where it’s legal to carry, but there would still be severe financial or social consequences if you were made. For instance, carrying in a non permissive work environment.
Even in permissive environments obvious printing brings many of the same downsides as open carry. Namely, being a target for criminals looking for a gun. I’d prefer that no one knows I’m carrying unless I want them to know.
I live in Tx I do not care if I print even though I don’t with my 19 I can conceal my 34/17 with no problem unless I have any type of extension. I may end up carrying my 92FS again in the summer , printing isn’t something I worry about after years of carrying.
Anything you say doesn’t matter if you start it with “I live in TX”. Not in a bad way. In a great way actually. Everybody and their grandma carrying in TX.
I live in Connecticut, a very blue state. In the rural corners, nobody cares. In fact, you could sometjmes see old timers open carrying at the local gas stations or diners (bobcats, coyotes, and bears up here). However, I would not want to be printing in Hartford or New Haven. While not illegal, it is (according to the state police) highly discouraged.
Depends on what state you live in.
Some places will treat you like a criminal for grabbing something off a top shelf and exposing your gun. Better to avoid the incident and inconvenience to both myself and law enforcement imo.
I operate under the idea that "concealed" means concealed. If and when I'm carrying is nobody else's business but my own. But that's just me and my own personal preference, and that goes beyond concealed carry. Anything I do while in public is nobody elses concern so I go out of my way not to draw attention. I like to be just part of the background. Having said that 90% of the time I'm in environments where most people wouldn't care and it isn't unusual to see open carry from time to time. To me print or not printing is more of a personal preference based on where I'm normally out and about. My preference is not to.
I live in area where a lot of people's personality prints a lot. Jacked up trucks with hunting and gun stickers on the back window. Or walking around with a gun ball cap or shirt half the time. There was a dude open carrying in my church this morning!
So while no one would bat an eye to see a gun around here, like you, I like to stay as concealed as possible. I try to keep my clothes loose and not show a gun if my shirt lifts a little bit or be a gun shaped lump in my pocket or whatever.
It all depends on where you live. Me, being in the free state of Missouri, I give no shits. I'm somewhat conscious about it when I go to church but it's really only because of the sit/stand/kneel cycle and then walking after that with my shit all cattywampus. Anywhere else it's not even a thought that enters my mind.
No not really. You’ll notice the printing more than just about anyone because you’re so concerned about being seen.
99% of people aren’t paying enough attention to notice. And if you live in a state with constitutional carry the cops legally can’t stop you if you’re printing horribly bad because just have a gun on your person isn’t enough reason to initiate an official contact.
I once had my shirt blow up and everyone walking out of the grocery store would have been able to see it but probably didn’t notice. I’m sure most people will mind their business depending on where you live
It's important to try and avoid it as much as possible in my opinion. I've been carrying for 24 years. In that time I've carried just about ever conceivable way possible. Bar none the carry position with thelowest likelihood of printing FOR ME is AIWB.
In all the years I've carried, I've had someone say something to me once. I was carrying a Beretta 92 at 4 o'clock and had squatted down to look at something in a Home Depot. When I stood back up, one of the mythical creatures of HD (an actual employee in the famed orange apron!) kindly let me know that I was printing. Then he walked away clearly not bothered by it.
You don’t know the situation you’ll be in, why give up the element of surprise. And you make everyone uncomfortable around you don’t be a dick about carrying.
Depends where you live and you local laws. Some places if some see it you can get arrested. Others like where I'm at its legal. (The made open carry legal for ccp) eliminating printing.
I went into a gas station nearby in the PNW with a buddy of mine and the guy who went in right after us was open carrying. I had mine concealed but I asked my friend, “did you notice that guy who went in after us was open carrying?” My friend replied “nope”
Just goes to show you people don’t even notice the most obvious things so if you’re even reasonably trying to conceal it they probably will never know.
Probably depends on your area....but for 98% of America, nobody is going to care. Most of these questions come from new carriers who are overly paranoid.....but you do it enough and you'll realize that people just do not care, if they even notice at all. I'm reading body language of people more than I'm looking for any sign of printing. I'm a Kansas guy; around here it's so incredibly common that it's simply a non issue. Folks will get nervous if somebody is open carrying; though it's typically those looking for attention in the first place doing that.
But ultimately it depends on what you're doing and the setting. Hence why I think it's wise to have carry options to fit the occasion.
Awareness of surroundings isn’t a thing anymore and you can see it on the roads by the way people drive. Merging into other people etc. If you have zero situational awareness this is more likely. The likelihood of someone noticing you’re carrying is very low, unless they are too. I’m fairly new to carrying and I guess I was printing in a small indoor shopping center on my way to the barber shop, gentrified neighborhood with kids around, and some guy gave me a nod and looked directly at my balls. Instinctively, I looked directly at his waistline, and noticed he had the mag of a gun poking out of his shirt as well. Nodded back, walked by without a word. Nobody else even looked at me but this guy. The people carrying tend to be the people looking for a threat and being aware of their surroundings. I’m new to carrying, and while I do try to wear loose fitting clothes when I can, I mostly don’t give a shit anymore. And I live in CO, in a city where open carry is a huge no no.
I think it is important in a professional atmosphere if you know people around you should not know you carry like at an office or workplace. However for infrequently or randomly visited places or if you work as a contractor or a job where you arent around a lot of people I do not care that much.
For me its pretty much OWB when I am not around a consistently group, IWB when I am.
I think the only people that might notice is us, if you're actively looking... Even then it's not that easy to notice. I don't think I've noticed anyone printing in years.
Most people don’t pay attention and those that carry are usually the ones that notice and keep their mouths shut. I’ve had the wind blow my shirt open gun and I saw a lady look at it and she didn’t bat an eye. Of course this was Montana.
If you take a little bit of time to study the best methods to get your gun/holster torqued up against your body correctly you can get it to ride so well on your waistline that even if your shirt lifted up briefly many people wouldn't even notice you were carrying at all, at least for IWB. Especially if your clothes are darker or are a similar color to your grip. I personally don't give a shit if anyone knows I'm carrying, but I also never think about it. If I leave my house for any reason, even to walk the dog, my gun is with me. It's so normal now that I dont even notice I'm carrying it. It's very likely that at some point I've been in a situation where I have printed badly, or my shirt has rode up enough to make it show. Never once has anyone said a word about it. Not even a stare or a wide-eyed look. And I live in a very antigun state.
Brandishing a firearm is illegal; that's really really reaching though to say that a concealed firearm or atleast an attempt to conceal a firearm would fall in that category
My state says "intentionally" displaying, so printing or even accidentally raising your shirt wouldn't count. Of course, we can also open carry most places so it wouldn't matter anyway.
Hello police?
Yes it looks like someone at the grocery store might have something that resembles a gun under their clothes.
No they aren't doing anything suspicious.
No... I don't have an emergency to report...
Been carrying for 14 years, I’m sure I’ve printed many different times, never one time had anybody say anything. I don’t even care anymore.
"Those that would mind don't notice, and those that notice don't mind." The ones who notice also carry. The ones who mind are buried in their phones.
Yes, in some settings. Stupid criminals won’t look. But the criminals that are mildly smart… they’ll look, and they’ll notice.
So, in my situation, I carry places that are normally off limits because I have permission. It's important I don't print so that no questions arise. Basically, they don't want every other person known to man asking for permission. Though I'd rather they give every licensed person permission but it's not my decision to make. I just don't want to rock the boat.
Ever notice how stupid and ignorant most people are? Nobody is noticing anything
Brother i livr in California. Last thing i need is some fucking karen screaming about me killing babies or being misogynistic cause shes threatened by a lump in my shirt. I keep my shit hidden and unknown. The day someone KNOWS, everyone will.
Absolutely I live in California too and no way in hell do I want to print. Someone would probably call the police on me.
Have you considered moving to a constitutional carry state? More than half of the states are.
I have. But i love cali. Guns are one part of the whole equation. I love the food, entertainment, culture, diversity, weather.... etc. Sure its got faults but every place does. I just keep trying to teach whoever i can the importance of owning a gun and punishing crime.
I have to agree with your viewpoint. You love where you are and are making the best of it. Please continue to educate those around you regarding the importance of the 2A. Thanks for responding!
You seem like the smart, engineering type yourself. Yeah brother, its an interesting world we live in.
Yes, it is. Stay safe out there brother.
It depends on your context. There are places where it’s legal to carry, but there would still be severe financial or social consequences if you were made. For instance, carrying in a non permissive work environment. Even in permissive environments obvious printing brings many of the same downsides as open carry. Namely, being a target for criminals looking for a gun. I’d prefer that no one knows I’m carrying unless I want them to know.
This! I want to be the gray man.
I live in Tx I do not care if I print even though I don’t with my 19 I can conceal my 34/17 with no problem unless I have any type of extension. I may end up carrying my 92FS again in the summer , printing isn’t something I worry about after years of carrying.
Anything you say doesn’t matter if you start it with “I live in TX”. Not in a bad way. In a great way actually. Everybody and their grandma carrying in TX.
I live in Connecticut, a very blue state. In the rural corners, nobody cares. In fact, you could sometjmes see old timers open carrying at the local gas stations or diners (bobcats, coyotes, and bears up here). However, I would not want to be printing in Hartford or New Haven. While not illegal, it is (according to the state police) highly discouraged.
Yep, CT over here too. Way too many libturds around here that would cause a scene if they even had a hint that you were carrying
Depends on what state you live in. Some places will treat you like a criminal for grabbing something off a top shelf and exposing your gun. Better to avoid the incident and inconvenience to both myself and law enforcement imo.
I operate under the idea that "concealed" means concealed. If and when I'm carrying is nobody else's business but my own. But that's just me and my own personal preference, and that goes beyond concealed carry. Anything I do while in public is nobody elses concern so I go out of my way not to draw attention. I like to be just part of the background. Having said that 90% of the time I'm in environments where most people wouldn't care and it isn't unusual to see open carry from time to time. To me print or not printing is more of a personal preference based on where I'm normally out and about. My preference is not to.
I live in area where a lot of people's personality prints a lot. Jacked up trucks with hunting and gun stickers on the back window. Or walking around with a gun ball cap or shirt half the time. There was a dude open carrying in my church this morning! So while no one would bat an eye to see a gun around here, like you, I like to stay as concealed as possible. I try to keep my clothes loose and not show a gun if my shirt lifts a little bit or be a gun shaped lump in my pocket or whatever.
I'm never worried about printing. I'm very worried about accidently showing.
It all depends on where you live. Me, being in the free state of Missouri, I give no shits. I'm somewhat conscious about it when I go to church but it's really only because of the sit/stand/kneel cycle and then walking after that with my shit all cattywampus. Anywhere else it's not even a thought that enters my mind.
No not really. You’ll notice the printing more than just about anyone because you’re so concerned about being seen. 99% of people aren’t paying enough attention to notice. And if you live in a state with constitutional carry the cops legally can’t stop you if you’re printing horribly bad because just have a gun on your person isn’t enough reason to initiate an official contact.
I care at work cuz I’ll get fired if I get caught. Other than that who cares
Same- got a work carry gun and a leisure carry.
I once had my shirt blow up and everyone walking out of the grocery store would have been able to see it but probably didn’t notice. I’m sure most people will mind their business depending on where you live
It’s one of those things where those who know don’t care and those who would care have no idea
Even if you’re printing, most people won’t know what it is lol. Unless they carry too
It's important to try and avoid it as much as possible in my opinion. I've been carrying for 24 years. In that time I've carried just about ever conceivable way possible. Bar none the carry position with thelowest likelihood of printing FOR ME is AIWB. In all the years I've carried, I've had someone say something to me once. I was carrying a Beretta 92 at 4 o'clock and had squatted down to look at something in a Home Depot. When I stood back up, one of the mythical creatures of HD (an actual employee in the famed orange apron!) kindly let me know that I was printing. Then he walked away clearly not bothered by it.
You don’t know the situation you’ll be in, why give up the element of surprise. And you make everyone uncomfortable around you don’t be a dick about carrying.
Depends where you live and you local laws. Some places if some see it you can get arrested. Others like where I'm at its legal. (The made open carry legal for ccp) eliminating printing.
I went into a gas station nearby in the PNW with a buddy of mine and the guy who went in right after us was open carrying. I had mine concealed but I asked my friend, “did you notice that guy who went in after us was open carrying?” My friend replied “nope” Just goes to show you people don’t even notice the most obvious things so if you’re even reasonably trying to conceal it they probably will never know.
Probably depends on your area....but for 98% of America, nobody is going to care. Most of these questions come from new carriers who are overly paranoid.....but you do it enough and you'll realize that people just do not care, if they even notice at all. I'm reading body language of people more than I'm looking for any sign of printing. I'm a Kansas guy; around here it's so incredibly common that it's simply a non issue. Folks will get nervous if somebody is open carrying; though it's typically those looking for attention in the first place doing that. But ultimately it depends on what you're doing and the setting. Hence why I think it's wise to have carry options to fit the occasion.
Awareness of surroundings isn’t a thing anymore and you can see it on the roads by the way people drive. Merging into other people etc. If you have zero situational awareness this is more likely. The likelihood of someone noticing you’re carrying is very low, unless they are too. I’m fairly new to carrying and I guess I was printing in a small indoor shopping center on my way to the barber shop, gentrified neighborhood with kids around, and some guy gave me a nod and looked directly at my balls. Instinctively, I looked directly at his waistline, and noticed he had the mag of a gun poking out of his shirt as well. Nodded back, walked by without a word. Nobody else even looked at me but this guy. The people carrying tend to be the people looking for a threat and being aware of their surroundings. I’m new to carrying, and while I do try to wear loose fitting clothes when I can, I mostly don’t give a shit anymore. And I live in CO, in a city where open carry is a huge no no.
Where in CO? I live in Fort Collins and open carry and no ones said a word to me.
Denver lol. The Mecca of liberal douche bags
I've open carried a high cap .45 and no one noticed. Don't worry.
Where I live probably not but I still keep my gun hidden as much as possible
No. Stop looking at my colostomy bag.
I think it is important in a professional atmosphere if you know people around you should not know you carry like at an office or workplace. However for infrequently or randomly visited places or if you work as a contractor or a job where you arent around a lot of people I do not care that much. For me its pretty much OWB when I am not around a consistently group, IWB when I am.
I think the only people that might notice is us, if you're actively looking... Even then it's not that easy to notice. I don't think I've noticed anyone printing in years.
Most people don’t pay attention and those that carry are usually the ones that notice and keep their mouths shut. I’ve had the wind blow my shirt open gun and I saw a lady look at it and she didn’t bat an eye. Of course this was Montana.
If you take a little bit of time to study the best methods to get your gun/holster torqued up against your body correctly you can get it to ride so well on your waistline that even if your shirt lifted up briefly many people wouldn't even notice you were carrying at all, at least for IWB. Especially if your clothes are darker or are a similar color to your grip. I personally don't give a shit if anyone knows I'm carrying, but I also never think about it. If I leave my house for any reason, even to walk the dog, my gun is with me. It's so normal now that I dont even notice I'm carrying it. It's very likely that at some point I've been in a situation where I have printed badly, or my shirt has rode up enough to make it show. Never once has anyone said a word about it. Not even a stare or a wide-eyed look. And I live in a very antigun state.
Well it’s illegal in some states so probably that lmao
Where? Printing is not brandishing would love to see some pc code that says printing is illegal.
As I said. I was wrong.
Wait maybe I’m wrong. Tried to find a source and can’t. Hmm
Brandishing a firearm is illegal; that's really really reaching though to say that a concealed firearm or atleast an attempt to conceal a firearm would fall in that category
My state says "intentionally" displaying, so printing or even accidentally raising your shirt wouldn't count. Of course, we can also open carry most places so it wouldn't matter anyway.
Hello police? Yes it looks like someone at the grocery store might have something that resembles a gun under their clothes. No they aren't doing anything suspicious. No... I don't have an emergency to report...
Yes I know. That’s why I said I was wrong
My California CCW class made it pretty clear printing was a big deal
My class did the same. Which is why I was under that impression. But I was wrong 🤷🏻♂️