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It serves as a reference of contrast to MSM that declares that Republicans are the bigoted, hateful, violent gun-loving, democracy-denying rednecks that are to blame for all the problems in the world.
Chicago isn’t even in the top 15. Did you even look at the list? Why are you all so obsessed with Chicago? Why don’t you ever mention Birmingham? it’s number one.
chicago is not even one of the top 10 most dangerous cities. memphis st. louis jackson ms and new orleans are and they are all in republican controlled states.
But they aren’t Republican controlled cities.
St. Louis, Missouri- Democrat
Birmingham, Alabama - Democrat
Baltimore, Maryland - Democrat
Memphis, Tennessee - Democrat
Detroit, Michigan - Democrat
Cleveland, Ohio - Democrat
New Orleans, Louisiana - Democrat
Shreveport, Louisiana - Democrat
Baton Rouge, Louisiana - Democrat
Little Rock, Arkansas - Democrat
Also interesting is that the top 5 worst cities for mass shootings are all in Democrat cities and states with the exception of Indy and Atlanta which are Democrat run cities in Republican run states.
Boulder, Colorado
San Jose, California
Indianapolis, Indiana
Atlanta, Georgia
Colorado Springs, Colorado
The top 10 Safest cities are a mixed bag:
Honolulu, Hawaii - Independent
Virginia Beach, Virginia - Republican
Henderson, Nevada - Republican
El Paso, Texas - Democrat
New York City - Democrat
San Diego, California - Democrat
Mesa, Arizona - Republican
Charlotte, North Carolina - Democrat
San Jose, California - Democrat
Boston, Massachusetts - Democrat
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/report-ranks-americas-15-safest-and-most-dangerous-cities-for-2023/?sh=6d2fc5fb309a
When they storm the government in an attempt to overturn the government, kill cops and threaten the lives of Congress people, all in one day, let me know
But all these factors are almost completely within my very personal control.
I decide myself, if I want to be obese or not. It’s 100% in my control.
Violent crime in the other hand is an outside factor where I have only limited control over.
My conclusion is I would rather live in a place with higher obesity rather and lower violent crime rates than the other way around
Access to healthy food, clean water, education, not having to commit crimes to make ends meat, ability to have time to exercise and read to kids without having to work multiple jobs to feed the family.
You do have control over violent crime. Don’t commit it. Just like you’re saying people can easily choose to not be obese. Easy.
Well, Democrats are mayors in most cities and this data cuts off municipalities with fewer than 100k residents. If you don't cut that off, you'd see the data looking quite different.
Also, seems to me like a lot of these are in red states, so...
Most of these are indeed red states, I guess the trend is thinking that democrat mayors have more control than republican governors and senators in their states lmao
The city I'm in, 35k people and the stats for incarceration per capita are insane, white vs black income.. you name it. We're always on the list of worst cities in America, the only one I know always ranks worse is Gary, IN
15 safest large cities
1. Irvine, CA - Democrat
2. Henderson, NV - Republican
3. Virginia Beach, VA - Republican
4. Honolulu, HI - independent
5. El Paso, TX - Democrat
6.San Diego, CA - democrat
7. Mesa, AZ - Republican
8. San Jose, CA - Democrat
9. Riverside, CA - Independent
10. Arlington, TX - independent
11. Anaheim, CA - Democrat
12. New York, NY - Democrat
13. Boston, MA - democrat
14. Omaha, NE - Republican
15. Lexington, KY - Republican
Edit: a mistype on my part. This is a list of the most safe large cities.
I don’t know where you got that list, but this is the list of safest from the OP article itself:
On the other hand, the 15 safest cities and towns in America, according to the analysis are:
1. Thousand Oaks, California
2. Fishers, Indiana
3. Pembroke Pines, Florida
4. Pearland, Texas
5. Gilbert, Arizona
6. Irvine, California
7. Coral Springs, Florida
8. Naperville, Illinois
9. Simi Valley, California
10. Carmel, Indiana
11. Surprise, Arizona
12. Plano, Texas
13. Elk Grove, California
14. McKinny, Texas
15. Temecula, California
So there are many things that make New York a less than desirable place to live, especially if you are of a libertarian or conservative mindset. I know, I've lived here my entire life. But for a city it's size, it has a relatively low violent crime rate. We have eight and a half million people, and we had less than 500 homocides last year. Chicago has slightly more than two million people, and they had more than 900. The rate of violent crime has also dropped precipitously. In my sophomore year of high school, there were almost 2300 homocides. NYC is shitty to live in for a lot of reasons (crazy high taxes, high cost of living, etc.), but it's relatively safe. It's nothing like California cities.
Actually it was the black guy before him, Mayor Dinkins, that’s responsible for the decrease in crime rates. A full two years before Giuliani came on the scene, he just gets all the credit.
This is such an ignorant argument. Cities are more dangerous because of population and they also tend to lean democrat. This statistic is designed to show a correlation where there is no causal link. Why don't they look at the governors of the states? And what is the arbitrary cutoff for a city size? And why do we think crime affects us more than things like healthcare and jobs and infrastructure? This is a dumb argument designed for dumb people.
Lmfao, every video I see someone getting sucker punched, a store getting looted or robbed, it's in NYC. My 2 buddies in NYC won't walk outside of their guarded parking garage at night. It's definitely a credible list, it's not a crime if nobody gets charged. 🤡
It's the same website that came up with the list of the most dangerous.
So either both lists are lieing or you just have a hard time accepting things that go against your narrative.
El Paso has long been on these lists even at the peak of the cartel wars; I guess it doesn’t count if the bodies are dumped on the other side of border; seems to me that you can’t both have “mass graves” and be one of “the safest”
This list is deaths from selected external causes per 100k population
Starts with the safest of the top 15
Loudon County, Virginia,
Douglas County, Colorado,
Delaware County, Ohio,
Somerset County, New Jersey,
Richmond County, New York,
DuPage County, Illinois,
Queens County, New York,
Fairfax County, Virginia,
Middlesex County, Massachusetts,
Forsyth County, Georgia,
New York County, New York,
Hampshire County, Massachusetts,
Morris County, New Jersey,
Chester County, Pennsylvania,
Nassau County, New York,
https://www.fatherly.com/news/safest-least-safe-counties-in-america-map-story
Really telling on yourself for not reading up on the source of your list of the most dangerous cities.
Same source came up with this list of most safe cities.
Stfu, you were just visiting. I've lived here for 30+ years my guy. I feel safer walking these streets than 90% of the places I've visited outside NYC. Just avoid sketchy areas like you would ANY city. Ppl like you want NY to fail so bad, meanwhile it's continuously listed as one of the best places to live by anyone with common sense. I've been all over America, NYC is always the place I want to come back to.
NYC gets demonized for being a liberal coastal city by a lot of people. They ignore crime in other non-liberal cities and hyperfocus on places like NYC, Chicago, and Californian cities.
I was arguing with a guy on this subreddit who was claiming that NYC is so degenerate and crime ridden that children can't even ride the train. I responded that it is common for thousands of children to ride the subway every day to get to school in NYC. I took the time to find news articles and evidence, but it wasn't enough. I was wrong because the guy who has never been to NYC "knows" how dangerous it is, because people on Twitter told him so.
Bro I've lived in towns with 500 people that still had sketchy as fuck areas that you should avoid if you want to feel safe.
I'm not saying nyc is among the safest cities in America, I just don't know. But a city having bad areas isn't a "gotcha" unless you're upper middle class that never has to go outside main street and have a bit of a regarded streak
Bad information interpretation, here. For instance, El Paso is a literal cesspool, but because of the massive military and federal and state law enforcement presence, it is safe. Federal and state agencies spend literally millions of dollars a week to support that crap hole. It’s a crap hope because it’s right across the bridge from Ciudad Juarez.
Irvine is loaded with millionaires and more.
San Diego, as well.
In the back half of 2022, I got to doing a study on the trends in gunviolencearchive.org. They had a section available for public consumption called Congressional Reports. They had archived and broken down gun crimes by congressional district. I found this interesting because, since all congressional districts are about 715,000 residents, then calculation per capita isn't that important. And since both parties aggressively gerrymander their constituents into highly partisan districts, you have a better representation of who actually lives there...or at least the party they support. Here's what I found.
There are 44 congressional districts that have in excess of 100 gun homicides. 42 of these districts are D's; 2 are R's. I also cross referenced the Cooks Partisan Report with gun homicides from GVA. Of the 50 most partisan districts; among the Democratic districts in 2021 there were 5370 gun homicides and 34593 in the 8 years of 2014-2021. Of the 50 most partisan Republican districts, there were 1786 gun homicides in 2021 and 13039 in the same 2014-2021 span. You're almost three times more likely to be killed by a gun in a heavily partisan blue district versus a heavily partisan red district.
How is it that even the conspiracy sub is full of bolsheviks?
Reddit is either a cesspool hivemind or AI has overridden the place.
Diesel sub is pro-epa.
Gun sub is pro infringement.
Conspiracy sub is is pro big goverment.
Something just ain't right, but maybe the populous decided to complete change their mind when reddit allowed AI to jump in.
I live in one of these cities. Wasn't raised here though. What I see is generational poverty causing the crime as well as very easy to get drugs. The poverty causes issues not only within home but also politically. If everyone is too poor to own homes then there is no one paying taxes and the schools take a hit. Cycle repeats. Unfortunately at least where I am race is an issue. It's not that being black is the cause but there is a correlation and once again it goes back to generational poverty. There was a lot of red lining here and the whites completely abandoned massive parts of this city taking their economic advantages with them. Now we have third and fourth generation kids in underachieving schools, no resources, no critical thinking skills, etc.
It literally keeps me up at night wondering if it's even fixable.
It infuriates me to no end how people stop short of realizing what you said. I’m not trying to say “oh people are in this position because of white people”, but if people looked at the history of how things have been set up in this country for people of different races, income, lifestyles, they’d understand it’s beyond “omg.. look at what black people do”, but a historical, class based, and systemic issue that everybody in this sub SHOULD be aware of and concerned about
people go wow Detroit sucks. must be the black people. completely ignoring how the city thrived before companies and their owners said “mmm… let’s go somewhere else”
redlining and gerrymandering are worth conspiratory discussions but it looks like sucking on a dog whistle is more fun for some people
This won't be fixable for a very long time. There is literally no incentive for anyone who left to move back. There was/is a huge push for RTO where I am at for this very reason. I know several who have resigned rather than return and their knowledge/experience alone will take time to replace. Unfortunately, this iteration of the cycle ended with a reduction in law enforcement and an increase in crime that will make it last even longer.
I miss the good ole days, before the alt right co-opted the conspiracy theory communities. We were united against the single belief that our entire gov't is corrupt.
Now all I see is this "red team vs blue team" nonsense.
They're gonna drop the Epstein list, and I'll damn near guarantee folks here and gonna do tally of blue and red team members.
The list of most dangerous vs safest is definitely skewed economically. And what you will notice is the dangerous cities are for the most part all former heavy industrial cities. They were once cities where the poorly educated could go and get a factory job in america's heyday.
But decades of reaganomics, NAFTA, White flight, the loss of a tax base, war on drugs (eg. the "war on blackness") and a nation that at every turn of media, history and culture scapegoated the poor, the black, the immigrant and the LGBT to distract from those who REALLY destroyed the american dream for so many.
So if crime is the outcome, its because the system designed it to be so and no democratic mayor can change the deep malaise running through the (un)United States
So is the conspiracy here that dems cause more crime? To what end? Wouldn’t they want this in rep run cities? Or are republicans trying to make it look like the dems do? For political gain? How? Or is this just posting political propaganda for clout?
Okay this is /r/conspiracy, not a Republican sub. Not a democratic sub. Not an independent sub. I hate censorship and am not implying we use it here, but this shit needs to end.
I don’t believe these studies anymore. I’ve lived in a lot of different places (including outside of the US). I’ve lived in Detroit for two years. I have no idea why it makes these lists. I’ve never felt unsafe here.
That said - your premise is faulty. Cities are controlled by Democrats; rural and suburban areas are controlled by the GOP. If your list only includes cities, it’s going to be mostly made up of Democrats. It means nothing. That’s just how the DNC and GOP decided to divide up the voting base for themselves. Neither party really does anything to fix anything.
Submission Statement
According to the study, the 15 most dangerous cities in the United States in order from 1-15 are:
Birmingham, Alabama – Mayor Randall Woodfin, Democrat
New Orleans, Louisiana – Mayor LaToya Cantrell, Democrat
St. Louis, Missouri – Mayor Tishaura Jones, Democrat
Detroit, Michigan – Mayor Mike Duggan, Democrat
Memphis, Tennessee – Mayor Jim Strickland, Democrat
Baltimore, Maryland – Mayor Brandon Scott, Democrat
Little Rock, Arkansas – Mayor Frank Scott, Jr., Democrat
Cleveland, Ohio – Mayor Justin Bibb, Democrat
Milwaukee, Wisconsin – Mayor Cavalier Johnson, Democrat
Kansas City, Missouri – Mayor Quinton Lucas, Democrat
Pueblo, Colorado – Mayor Nick Gradisar, Democrat
Oakland, California – Mayor Sheng Thao, Democrat
San Bernardino, California – Mayor Helen Tran, Democrat
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – Mayor Jim Kenney, Democrat
Atlanta, Georgia – Mayor Andre Dickens, Democrat
Birmingham Alabama is the only place I've ever been robbed at gun point! First he said he was a priest & noticed I also served in the military, then said his whole family was in a car accident & he needs money to get them out of the hospital, & after I gave him my only $20 he said that's not enough, pulled out a gun & said, "I won't point this at you because then you will die & God doesn't want you to die today", so I showed him my empty wallet & he said, "God bless you" & walked away
I had just got off a GreyHound & he was the first & only person I met there! (2005)
The above comment is racist and has committed climate change from using the wrong pronouns.
You owe $25 carbon bucks, are not allowed to buy milk or laugh for one week and must report to your local MAGA reeducation camp to protect your neighbors from misinformation.
Does this take into account all the crime that is never reported? When nymy car got broken into in Seattle I didn't call the cops because they never show up and if they do they can't do shit. I know many others who just never report crime. Open air drug markets for example
Yeah, California governor basically legalized theft under $1000, and started an early release program for criminals, “because the prisons are too full.” I wouldn’t be surprised if soros and company are secretly responsible for flooding red states with violent criminal offenders to try and “even the playing field”.
This is dumb AF. Cities are typically democratic strongholds so of course the mayors are going to be Democrats. Let's see what the political affiliation the mayors are of the most dangerous rural towns.
Yeah it always makes me laugh to hear Americans talk about how shitty and crime ridden certain areas are due to woke democrats or whatever. Which in all fairness *could* sometimes be accurate, but by and large these problems are far more simple to understand yet far more uncomfortable to admit.
List like this are very good to those concerned with solution implementation. And list like this only feel good to those concerned with affirming their negative beliefs and stereotypes. Crime is committed by criminals, and if you have a small population that has a higher percentage of criminals than average , we should find FACTORS that influence crime and violence or evaluate if there is disparage in the prosecution of certain groups of people ....I'd be willing to bet, above democrats , a more direct cause for the crime and violence in those areas would be the FACTORS that cause crime and violence...in all my studies I've never seen skin color as a precursor to crime but I have seen a particular skin color have within their environments all the factors that influence crime and violence....what a coincidence 🤓
You’re so close. You’re just soooooo close. Can you figure out why all of these individuals of non-white complexion live in run down and shitty areas? Can you think of how that might contribute to the general outlook and actions of individuals in that area?
It’s a shame you stopped just short of where it completely quit being convenient for your point
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Whats the conspiracy here?
It serves as a reference of contrast to MSM that declares that Republicans are the bigoted, hateful, violent gun-loving, democracy-denying rednecks that are to blame for all the problems in the world.
So it’s just another partisan political post.
Im missing the partisan part. Do the statistics make it partisan or how the article is written and what was concluded?
Partisan would imply a one-sided bias not based in fact. Unfortunately for your low iq ass this doesn't qualify
Political rage bait
The conspiracy is, the original journalist has taken a statistic and matched it up to a group they hate.
Why are murder rates higher in texas and Florida, than in California and New York?
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
It probably has something to do with guns...
Obviously. Thank you
Chicago ran by democrats. The whole state is Democrat and there is at least a minimum. 30 people killed a weekend in Chicago.
And Chicago isn’t even on the list. Not even in the top 15. Odd that you bring it up, maybe you’ve been convinced it’s much worse?
You didn’t answer the users question. Lol
He thinks Chicago is part of New York
Ya, this is so dumb. What is the conspiracy here? This shit is lame as hell.
And everybody that downloaded me unless you live in Illinois. You don't know shit about the state.
The left really hates talking about Chicago, LA, Boston. They have to point at entire states to add up the numbers Chicago puts out.
Chicago isn’t even in the top 15. Did you even look at the list? Why are you all so obsessed with Chicago? Why don’t you ever mention Birmingham? it’s number one.
chicago is not even one of the top 10 most dangerous cities. memphis st. louis jackson ms and new orleans are and they are all in republican controlled states.
But they aren’t Republican controlled cities. St. Louis, Missouri- Democrat Birmingham, Alabama - Democrat Baltimore, Maryland - Democrat Memphis, Tennessee - Democrat Detroit, Michigan - Democrat Cleveland, Ohio - Democrat New Orleans, Louisiana - Democrat Shreveport, Louisiana - Democrat Baton Rouge, Louisiana - Democrat Little Rock, Arkansas - Democrat Also interesting is that the top 5 worst cities for mass shootings are all in Democrat cities and states with the exception of Indy and Atlanta which are Democrat run cities in Republican run states. Boulder, Colorado San Jose, California Indianapolis, Indiana Atlanta, Georgia Colorado Springs, Colorado The top 10 Safest cities are a mixed bag: Honolulu, Hawaii - Independent Virginia Beach, Virginia - Republican Henderson, Nevada - Republican El Paso, Texas - Democrat New York City - Democrat San Diego, California - Democrat Mesa, Arizona - Republican Charlotte, North Carolina - Democrat San Jose, California - Democrat Boston, Massachusetts - Democrat https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/report-ranks-americas-15-safest-and-most-dangerous-cities-for-2023/?sh=6d2fc5fb309a
Republicans don’t run large cities.
Oh cool, another political rage bait post.
From townhall dot com no less
Yeah what a trash post. Rage bait Democrat vs Republican divisive garbage.
Now do which states are the worst for reading comprehension, obesity, poverty , life expectancy, government assistance, bahahah
Don’t say that too loud or the republicans will storm the capitol again. You know they don’t handle losing well.
Not exactly a fair statement when Democrats shrieked in the streets and coped on late night tv for 4 straight years.
When they storm the government in an attempt to overturn the government, kill cops and threaten the lives of Congress people, all in one day, let me know
No police officers were killed on the 6th.
But all these factors are almost completely within my very personal control. I decide myself, if I want to be obese or not. It’s 100% in my control. Violent crime in the other hand is an outside factor where I have only limited control over. My conclusion is I would rather live in a place with higher obesity rather and lower violent crime rates than the other way around
Access to healthy food, clean water, education, not having to commit crimes to make ends meat, ability to have time to exercise and read to kids without having to work multiple jobs to feed the family. You do have control over violent crime. Don’t commit it. Just like you’re saying people can easily choose to not be obese. Easy.
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There are no Republican cities to compare them to. Large cities are run by Dems.
No it’s no
Show it
Well, Democrats are mayors in most cities and this data cuts off municipalities with fewer than 100k residents. If you don't cut that off, you'd see the data looking quite different. Also, seems to me like a lot of these are in red states, so...
Most of these are indeed red states, I guess the trend is thinking that democrat mayors have more control than republican governors and senators in their states lmao
That’s true in Texas for sure. Texas had one of the weakest governorships in the US. A lot more power is at the local level
What evidence do you have for cities under 100k
The city I'm in, 35k people and the stats for incarceration per capita are insane, white vs black income.. you name it. We're always on the list of worst cities in America, the only one I know always ranks worse is Gary, IN
15 safest large cities 1. Irvine, CA - Democrat 2. Henderson, NV - Republican 3. Virginia Beach, VA - Republican 4. Honolulu, HI - independent 5. El Paso, TX - Democrat 6.San Diego, CA - democrat 7. Mesa, AZ - Republican 8. San Jose, CA - Democrat 9. Riverside, CA - Independent 10. Arlington, TX - independent 11. Anaheim, CA - Democrat 12. New York, NY - Democrat 13. Boston, MA - democrat 14. Omaha, NE - Republican 15. Lexington, KY - Republican Edit: a mistype on my part. This is a list of the most safe large cities.
I don’t know where you got that list, but this is the list of safest from the OP article itself: On the other hand, the 15 safest cities and towns in America, according to the analysis are: 1. Thousand Oaks, California 2. Fishers, Indiana 3. Pembroke Pines, Florida 4. Pearland, Texas 5. Gilbert, Arizona 6. Irvine, California 7. Coral Springs, Florida 8. Naperville, Illinois 9. Simi Valley, California 10. Carmel, Indiana 11. Surprise, Arizona 12. Plano, Texas 13. Elk Grove, California 14. McKinny, Texas 15. Temecula, California
Literally the same source as OPs list. Did you pull the list of small towns under 100,000 people?
No, I read the article. There are 2 lists in it. This is the second (safest) list.
You read an article based on the original study. This is the original source article https://www.moneygeek.com/living/safest-cities/
Elk Grove California is a HARD no… I can name 20 cities within a few miles that are safer
Agreed. Folsom or EDH. But maybe they don’t qualify based on population?
Now this list actually looks believable.
No way is Mesa one of the safest cities in American lol
Yeh because they're not real cities!
Maybe because he said large cities
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Hence why they’re safe…
This was what was missing from the article, thank you for the extra legwork.
I always found zip code level to be best. Chicago metro, for example, has some of the safest, along with some of the most dangerous.
This list is actually fucking hilarious I’m sorry. 😂
Same source as the list of the most dangerous cities.
New York? Get the fuck out
So there are many things that make New York a less than desirable place to live, especially if you are of a libertarian or conservative mindset. I know, I've lived here my entire life. But for a city it's size, it has a relatively low violent crime rate. We have eight and a half million people, and we had less than 500 homocides last year. Chicago has slightly more than two million people, and they had more than 900. The rate of violent crime has also dropped precipitously. In my sophomore year of high school, there were almost 2300 homocides. NYC is shitty to live in for a lot of reasons (crazy high taxes, high cost of living, etc.), but it's relatively safe. It's nothing like California cities.
Rudy Giuliani did a hell of a job there…
Have you seen our current mayor
Actually it was the black guy before him, Mayor Dinkins, that’s responsible for the decrease in crime rates. A full two years before Giuliani came on the scene, he just gets all the credit.
Than don't point to th list of most dangerous cities. Both lists came from th exact same study found in OPs list.
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This is such an ignorant argument. Cities are more dangerous because of population and they also tend to lean democrat. This statistic is designed to show a correlation where there is no causal link. Why don't they look at the governors of the states? And what is the arbitrary cutoff for a city size? And why do we think crime affects us more than things like healthcare and jobs and infrastructure? This is a dumb argument designed for dumb people.
>why don't they look at the governor of the states This is what caught my eye too lol. Seeing Alabama and Democrat next to each other is hilarious
If a police report is never filed, the assault/rape/murder/carjacking/etc never happened.
i've lived here almost all of my life this city is a mess
You old enough to remember the old New York? The city today is a playground idk what you’re talking about.
I've lived here my entire life and have never felt unsafe in the city
Lmfao, every video I see someone getting sucker punched, a store getting looted or robbed, it's in NYC. My 2 buddies in NYC won't walk outside of their guarded parking garage at night. It's definitely a credible list, it's not a crime if nobody gets charged. 🤡
did you see what happened recently? The guy who took out his gun to save a women from getting mugged got arrested.
Why would you pay crazy rent to live in nyc to be a weirdo recluse
You’re a goofy liar
BS… what metric is this using? Mesa AZ isn’t even the safest city within 20 miles of Mesa.
It's the same website that came up with the list of the most dangerous. So either both lists are lieing or you just have a hard time accepting things that go against your narrative.
Both go against my narrative and my narrator is Morgan Freeman
El Paso has long been on these lists even at the peak of the cartel wars; I guess it doesn’t count if the bodies are dumped on the other side of border; seems to me that you can’t both have “mass graves” and be one of “the safest”
Based on how the source got the list of most dangerous cities, this is the same source of most safe large cities.
,, Now that I think about it Arlington really isn't that bad
Now do safest counties.
This list is deaths from selected external causes per 100k population Starts with the safest of the top 15 Loudon County, Virginia, Douglas County, Colorado, Delaware County, Ohio, Somerset County, New Jersey, Richmond County, New York, DuPage County, Illinois, Queens County, New York, Fairfax County, Virginia, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, Forsyth County, Georgia, New York County, New York, Hampshire County, Massachusetts, Morris County, New Jersey, Chester County, Pennsylvania, Nassau County, New York, https://www.fatherly.com/news/safest-least-safe-counties-in-america-map-story
No way San Jose is on a list of safest societies lol. Get real
It's from the same source as OP got their list of the most dangerous cities.
San Jose? Hahahhahah
Same source as the list one OP used for their list.
Where did this list come from? I’m sorry, but NYC cannot possibly be the 12th safest city in America.
Literally the same source as op got their list of cities.
Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on OP and his article.
I was in NYC recently. No way that’s accurate
You're able to determine the crime rate just by visiting? That's incredible!
Really telling on yourself for not reading up on the source of your list of the most dangerous cities. Same source came up with this list of most safe cities.
I’ve lived here for 15 years it can’t be true
Stfu, you were just visiting. I've lived here for 30+ years my guy. I feel safer walking these streets than 90% of the places I've visited outside NYC. Just avoid sketchy areas like you would ANY city. Ppl like you want NY to fail so bad, meanwhile it's continuously listed as one of the best places to live by anyone with common sense. I've been all over America, NYC is always the place I want to come back to.
NYC gets demonized for being a liberal coastal city by a lot of people. They ignore crime in other non-liberal cities and hyperfocus on places like NYC, Chicago, and Californian cities. I was arguing with a guy on this subreddit who was claiming that NYC is so degenerate and crime ridden that children can't even ride the train. I responded that it is common for thousands of children to ride the subway every day to get to school in NYC. I took the time to find news articles and evidence, but it wasn't enough. I was wrong because the guy who has never been to NYC "knows" how dangerous it is, because people on Twitter told him so.
“Just avoid the dangerous areas and the city is safe” lol
Bro I've lived in towns with 500 people that still had sketchy as fuck areas that you should avoid if you want to feel safe. I'm not saying nyc is among the safest cities in America, I just don't know. But a city having bad areas isn't a "gotcha" unless you're upper middle class that never has to go outside main street and have a bit of a regarded streak
Every single city in the world has dangerous areas, stop being stupid.
Demographic trends disagree with you
What do they say?
What do they consider New York City?
The whole city of New York, New York probably. Just showing the data.
The problem with the data on New York is each Borough is vastly different each with their own leader as well. More just curiosity lol
Bad information interpretation, here. For instance, El Paso is a literal cesspool, but because of the massive military and federal and state law enforcement presence, it is safe. Federal and state agencies spend literally millions of dollars a week to support that crap hole. It’s a crap hope because it’s right across the bridge from Ciudad Juarez. Irvine is loaded with millionaires and more. San Diego, as well.
In the back half of 2022, I got to doing a study on the trends in gunviolencearchive.org. They had a section available for public consumption called Congressional Reports. They had archived and broken down gun crimes by congressional district. I found this interesting because, since all congressional districts are about 715,000 residents, then calculation per capita isn't that important. And since both parties aggressively gerrymander their constituents into highly partisan districts, you have a better representation of who actually lives there...or at least the party they support. Here's what I found. There are 44 congressional districts that have in excess of 100 gun homicides. 42 of these districts are D's; 2 are R's. I also cross referenced the Cooks Partisan Report with gun homicides from GVA. Of the 50 most partisan districts; among the Democratic districts in 2021 there were 5370 gun homicides and 34593 in the 8 years of 2014-2021. Of the 50 most partisan Republican districts, there were 1786 gun homicides in 2021 and 13039 in the same 2014-2021 span. You're almost three times more likely to be killed by a gun in a heavily partisan blue district versus a heavily partisan red district.
How is it that even the conspiracy sub is full of bolsheviks? Reddit is either a cesspool hivemind or AI has overridden the place. Diesel sub is pro-epa. Gun sub is pro infringement. Conspiracy sub is is pro big goverment. Something just ain't right, but maybe the populous decided to complete change their mind when reddit allowed AI to jump in.
Well said. Following you.
I live in one of these cities. Wasn't raised here though. What I see is generational poverty causing the crime as well as very easy to get drugs. The poverty causes issues not only within home but also politically. If everyone is too poor to own homes then there is no one paying taxes and the schools take a hit. Cycle repeats. Unfortunately at least where I am race is an issue. It's not that being black is the cause but there is a correlation and once again it goes back to generational poverty. There was a lot of red lining here and the whites completely abandoned massive parts of this city taking their economic advantages with them. Now we have third and fourth generation kids in underachieving schools, no resources, no critical thinking skills, etc. It literally keeps me up at night wondering if it's even fixable.
It infuriates me to no end how people stop short of realizing what you said. I’m not trying to say “oh people are in this position because of white people”, but if people looked at the history of how things have been set up in this country for people of different races, income, lifestyles, they’d understand it’s beyond “omg.. look at what black people do”, but a historical, class based, and systemic issue that everybody in this sub SHOULD be aware of and concerned about people go wow Detroit sucks. must be the black people. completely ignoring how the city thrived before companies and their owners said “mmm… let’s go somewhere else” redlining and gerrymandering are worth conspiratory discussions but it looks like sucking on a dog whistle is more fun for some people
This won't be fixable for a very long time. There is literally no incentive for anyone who left to move back. There was/is a huge push for RTO where I am at for this very reason. I know several who have resigned rather than return and their knowledge/experience alone will take time to replace. Unfortunately, this iteration of the cycle ended with a reduction in law enforcement and an increase in crime that will make it last even longer.
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Almost all of the top 10 deadliest cities are high minority dem ran cities
Less about who runs it and more about the people who live there and their ability to self regulate.
wait what?
Wait, you mean people shouldn't blame the state of an entire community on a single person they disagree with?
Shocking I know
you’re suggesting criminals vote D rather than D policies lead to crime?
Are you suggesting criminals vote?
Are we just conceding this sub as yet another for hacky political posts? So tired of this shit.
I miss the good ole days, before the alt right co-opted the conspiracy theory communities. We were united against the single belief that our entire gov't is corrupt. Now all I see is this "red team vs blue team" nonsense. They're gonna drop the Epstein list, and I'll damn near guarantee folks here and gonna do tally of blue and red team members.
The list of most dangerous vs safest is definitely skewed economically. And what you will notice is the dangerous cities are for the most part all former heavy industrial cities. They were once cities where the poorly educated could go and get a factory job in america's heyday. But decades of reaganomics, NAFTA, White flight, the loss of a tax base, war on drugs (eg. the "war on blackness") and a nation that at every turn of media, history and culture scapegoated the poor, the black, the immigrant and the LGBT to distract from those who REALLY destroyed the american dream for so many. So if crime is the outcome, its because the system designed it to be so and no democratic mayor can change the deep malaise running through the (un)United States
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What’s the name of your news letter? I also would like to subscribe.
Damn!!!
As if the mayor has any power those are all in red states with loose gun laws
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So is the conspiracy here that dems cause more crime? To what end? Wouldn’t they want this in rep run cities? Or are republicans trying to make it look like the dems do? For political gain? How? Or is this just posting political propaganda for clout?
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What’s the conspiracy here? /s In total disbelief that people can’t see… The Age of Unreason is upon us.
List of safest cities... Surprise, Arizona Consider me...surprised! Ok, that's it, my job is done here for now. Lol
Okay this is /r/conspiracy, not a Republican sub. Not a democratic sub. Not an independent sub. I hate censorship and am not implying we use it here, but this shit needs to end.
Omg. They’re all in America
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It really is and when you point this out you get attacked by people who think you insult them individually. The American dream is dead.
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So this sub is just a Concuck conspiracy sub now? Y’all think an orange boomer that hates you will save you? Good luck, cuckspirapcy chodes.
I don’t believe these studies anymore. I’ve lived in a lot of different places (including outside of the US). I’ve lived in Detroit for two years. I have no idea why it makes these lists. I’ve never felt unsafe here. That said - your premise is faulty. Cities are controlled by Democrats; rural and suburban areas are controlled by the GOP. If your list only includes cities, it’s going to be mostly made up of Democrats. It means nothing. That’s just how the DNC and GOP decided to divide up the voting base for themselves. Neither party really does anything to fix anything.
[relevant starting point to support your observation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics)
Submission Statement According to the study, the 15 most dangerous cities in the United States in order from 1-15 are: Birmingham, Alabama – Mayor Randall Woodfin, Democrat New Orleans, Louisiana – Mayor LaToya Cantrell, Democrat St. Louis, Missouri – Mayor Tishaura Jones, Democrat Detroit, Michigan – Mayor Mike Duggan, Democrat Memphis, Tennessee – Mayor Jim Strickland, Democrat Baltimore, Maryland – Mayor Brandon Scott, Democrat Little Rock, Arkansas – Mayor Frank Scott, Jr., Democrat Cleveland, Ohio – Mayor Justin Bibb, Democrat Milwaukee, Wisconsin – Mayor Cavalier Johnson, Democrat Kansas City, Missouri – Mayor Quinton Lucas, Democrat Pueblo, Colorado – Mayor Nick Gradisar, Democrat Oakland, California – Mayor Sheng Thao, Democrat San Bernardino, California – Mayor Helen Tran, Democrat Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – Mayor Jim Kenney, Democrat Atlanta, Georgia – Mayor Andre Dickens, Democrat
Birmingham Alabama is the only place I've ever been robbed at gun point! First he said he was a priest & noticed I also served in the military, then said his whole family was in a car accident & he needs money to get them out of the hospital, & after I gave him my only $20 he said that's not enough, pulled out a gun & said, "I won't point this at you because then you will die & God doesn't want you to die today", so I showed him my empty wallet & he said, "God bless you" & walked away I had just got off a GreyHound & he was the first & only person I met there! (2005)
The power of God compels you to empty your wallet
The above comment is racist and has committed climate change from using the wrong pronouns. You owe $25 carbon bucks, are not allowed to buy milk or laugh for one week and must report to your local MAGA reeducation camp to protect your neighbors from misinformation.
Been away from this sub for a while. Is this really how you guys are? Y’all are cringe as fuck
Scarily accurate.
Lol,👍 very funny. Also, sadly accurate Dowmvote dodos🦤🦤🦤🦤 mad bots are out now
Crazy how most of them are red states where it's super easy to get guns
Yeah, that’s the reason.
You mean like drugs right? When they banned drugs the drug problem went away and we all lived in a utopia
I mean just because these cities are the reason we can’t have nice things doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have nice things
lol for real though. I live in a purple/largely blue city… in Texas. It doesn’t matter if my mayor is dem or rep, I still live in Texas.
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How about most dangerous states?
Quick, now do a list of the states that require the most help and welfare from the feds!
Facts aren't popular now a days..
Does this take into account all the crime that is never reported? When nymy car got broken into in Seattle I didn't call the cops because they never show up and if they do they can't do shit. I know many others who just never report crime. Open air drug markets for example
Yeah, California governor basically legalized theft under $1000, and started an early release program for criminals, “because the prisons are too full.” I wouldn’t be surprised if soros and company are secretly responsible for flooding red states with violent criminal offenders to try and “even the playing field”.
This is dumb AF. Cities are typically democratic strongholds so of course the mayors are going to be Democrats. Let's see what the political affiliation the mayors are of the most dangerous rural towns.
Dude lists all cities in red states with red legislatures and governors and says they're "democrat" because of the mayor. That famous con objectivity.
Now let’s see the highest per capita.
Ahh yes, those liberal bastions of Alabama, Louisiana and Missouri
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Indeed, it’s the democrats and definitely has nothing to do with poverty being the highest in the nation.
Alex, "what are democratic mayors?"
I wonder how Chicago keeps dodging the most dangerous list? The southside has so many people getting shot its crazy.
They haven't been in the top 10 of homicides for like a decade.
Maybe there's a difference between actual data and what people say about a city.
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I wonder if they incorporate each suburb into the Chicago data. Or how that is handled
Because If you use a per capita calculation for the amount of murders to the size of the city it looks small.
How is New York City not on this list?
NYC is relatively safe for a city of that size.
Because it's number 12 on the safest cities according to the website.
Clearly you’re sheltered as fuck
You’re obviously not from or been to NYC.
Yeah I've actually lived there all my life so your obviously not from there or haven't been there
Yeah it always makes me laugh to hear Americans talk about how shitty and crime ridden certain areas are due to woke democrats or whatever. Which in all fairness *could* sometimes be accurate, but by and large these problems are far more simple to understand yet far more uncomfortable to admit.
I am from most of those places what does that make me?
That’s it! Democrats cause crime!
List like this are very good to those concerned with solution implementation. And list like this only feel good to those concerned with affirming their negative beliefs and stereotypes. Crime is committed by criminals, and if you have a small population that has a higher percentage of criminals than average , we should find FACTORS that influence crime and violence or evaluate if there is disparage in the prosecution of certain groups of people ....I'd be willing to bet, above democrats , a more direct cause for the crime and violence in those areas would be the FACTORS that cause crime and violence...in all my studies I've never seen skin color as a precursor to crime but I have seen a particular skin color have within their environments all the factors that influence crime and violence....what a coincidence 🤓
You’re so close. You’re just soooooo close. Can you figure out why all of these individuals of non-white complexion live in run down and shitty areas? Can you think of how that might contribute to the general outlook and actions of individuals in that area? It’s a shame you stopped just short of where it completely quit being convenient for your point
All of the dangerous cities are in red states that cut funding to blue cities to say, see fools, we told you so. Systemic racism really.