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They aren't. They're used by politicians to distract stupid people from real issues. Since the stupid people get caught up in them nothing that's really damaging society ever gets dealt with.
What is on the TV and the news isn't actually what is important to people. It's just what the media tries to push as many people as possible into focusing on...and uselessly fighting about it...because it's very polarized.
Divide and conquer. That would be why in a nutshell.
Thank you. I wish that more people realised that pretty much every issue that's pushed as contentious is just divide and conquer. Yes, everyone should have equal rights, and pretty much everyone agrees on that, except for certain sections of the media sowing division.
The Supreme Court just overturned the “Chevron Doctrine” we barely heard a peep about it in the news. It’s a huge issue, it essentially strips all federal agencies with the power to fill in the blanks in laws that are vague like EPA rules or Energy Department. All of a sudden, it’s a free for all. But Roe v Wade is everywhere on the news.
The example I gave my wife was, what happens if the Governor of Texas says to TSA, “get the hell out of our airports” ?
Is there really some statute authorizing body scanners? My guess is no and that most of what TSA does is agency driven under the Chevron Doctrine.
I will also say - when I was in law school and learned about Chevron - it was an aha moment. THIS is where American democracy was subverted. So, overturning Chevron is ultimately a good thing. It just seems like the type of thing that precedes a civil war.
To answer your questions.. federal funding is the lever that allows the TSA by way of the federal guv to decide basically whatever they want. Somebody threatens to not comply they get threatened with pulling federal funding. This is the same thing that allowed healthcare institutions to essentially mandate the vacks. SCOTUS ruled that any institution receiving federal funding must comply with whatever the fed guv says.
Edit: to clarify.. the federal funding lever undermines whether something is constitutional or not. Atleast until another precedent is set.
Go to the grocery store today. Ask 5 people if they know the chevron doctrine was overturned. The ask them if they heard roe v wade was overturned. Tally responses and get back to me.
I will agree it was probably glossed over by a lot of people, even those that follow news.
But it definitely was mentioned, quite a few times and made it pretty clear how important that case is (was).
I just can’t believe wtf is going on.
Stop being overly dramatic, it doesn’t make it a “free for all”! It removes an unconstitutional policy! The constitution enumerates a separation of powers, Congress is charged with making the laws and the executive branch is charged with enforcing them. The executive branch has been making policy (which they call laws) and punishing people for violating those policies without due process for over 40 years! This SCOTUS did what is is supposed to do and struck down an unconstitutional policy. This will force the executive branch to follow its design and only enforce the laws Congress creates. If the law is ambiguous, then Congress needs to correct it!
I will address my outrage in equal measure to the congress that is incapable of anything besides squabbling over the next impeachment. While they refuse to restrict their own ability to buy shares of companies they pass laws to regulate.
lol why an unconstitutional policy was there in the first place? How many more of these unconstitutional policies that most of us have no knowledge about are still out there, affecting our lives on everyday basis?
Many, the problem is that the agencies know that they are unconstitutional, but they will get away with it for years before someone with enough money, and willing to battle the government, is harmed by it. The government with unlimited funds and judicial system that is part of the government makes this a very uphill battle and has no consequences when they lose. Many times they will drop the case or try to negotiate a settlement before it makes it to the Supreme Court so as not to have it ruled unconstitutional and they can continue. It takes a lot of money and the willingness to see it all the way through against an entity that is policing itself all the while making money off of your progress through the courts. When they lose, many times they just tweak the law or policy with a minor word change and put it back into effect again, knowing it will take years for their power to be clipped again!
Politicians use the same “experts” that the agencies do to write the rules! We know politicians just present them to the other politicians to vote on the way their people back home would want! This way the “experts” can’t just advise the politicians to create an ambiguous laws that no one understands, then go to the agency and have them create rules that benefit them! This keeps the creation of the laws I. The hands of the people and not the “experts”!
The potential overturning of the Chevron Doctrine does raise significant concerns, especially regarding the balance of power between federal agencies and the judiciary. Here are a few potential implications:
1. **Judicial Workload**: If Chevron is overturned, courts will have to take a more active role in interpreting ambiguous statutes, which could lead to an increased workload and potentially inconsistent interpretations across different jurisdictions [[❞]](https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/supreme-court-likely-to-discard-chevron/) [[❞]](https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/the-end-of-chevron-what-it-would-mean-1255407/).
2. **Regulatory Uncertainty**: Federal agencies often rely on Chevron deference to issue and enforce regulations efficiently. Without this deference, there could be greater uncertainty and less predictability in regulatory environments, affecting businesses and industries that depend on clear guidelines [[❞]](https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/05/supreme-court-will-consider-major-case-on-power-of-federal-regulatory-agencies/) [[❞]](https://shjlawfirm.com/2024/03/04/supreme-court-takes-on-the-chevron-doctrine/).
3. **Impact on Federal Agencies**: Agencies might find it more challenging to implement policies, especially in technical and specialized areas where their expertise has traditionally been given deference. This could slow down the process of rulemaking and enforcement [[❞]](https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/supreme-court-likely-to-discard-chevron/) [[❞]](https://shjlawfirm.com/2024/03/04/supreme-court-takes-on-the-chevron-doctrine/).
4. **Legal Precedent and Stability**: Overturning Chevron could destabilize many existing legal precedents that were based on the doctrine, leading to a wave of litigation as parties seek to challenge previous rulings [[❞]](https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/the-end-of-chevron-what-it-would-mean-1255407/).
Overall, while some see the potential change as a way to reinforce judicial authority and limit executive overreach, others worry it could create significant disruptions in how laws are implemented and interpreted across the country.
All of these things curb agency overreach and the many ways radicals have been subverting the law through the Chevron Doctrine. It will also combat over regulation of everything. If Congress wants to regulate something, they're going to have to write proper legislation, not open ended nonsense that's abdicating their responsibility.
Of course, I think half of Congress is probably incapable of that, but that's a different matter.
So we should overturn our entire regulatory system knowing Congress is too dysfunctional to provide a stable alternative?
If I were on a conspiracy subreddit I might say that is exactly what massive corporations would want to happen so they could maximize profits without having to do shit about health and safety for the public.
You are right, this is mostly good for mega corporations, who have time and time again shown they need to be regulated. This also comes at a time where the supreme court just ruled it's okay for them to receive gifts.
Judges receiving gifts and removing a third parties ability to keep these corporations in check means said judges will be the ones interpreting these laws. Quite literally a corruption conspiracy in the making and people in the conspiracy sub are saying it's a good thing...
Thats where I'm leaning. This sub is constantly talking about how a corrupt cabal of elitists are fucking over the whole planet for their own profits. We get a pretty clear example of that exact thing and this sub is saying is beautiful.
The ineptitude of Congress is not an excuse to give power to unelected officials. But I'm guessing from your statements that you're among those who think they know better than everyone else and should have that power.
Yes but it only works if its not contrary to the laws the Congress passed. So, wouldn't a better system be to allow the subject matter experts to promulgate regulations, that are only found to be valid if they aren't contrary to congress laws, and if that is an inccorect finding Congress can then pass a law saying it is contrary to the laws.
Seems likes thats the best way to ensure Congress still keeps its law making authority without resulting in rivers that start on fire because Congress is too dysfunctional to pass regulations.
I don’t think it’s that as much as it is media outlets speaking for entire groups of people. Life’s good where I’m at as long as you keep the tv off ya know?
I'm not going to say there aren't major issues, but as someone who has barely watched TV (outside of some sports) in decades, the times I'm in a hotel or an airport and the TV is on...it's like an IV of pure poison. It's truly disturbing how almost every word spoken is in some way agenda driven. It's a bright, sunny day? Do we get to be happy about that? Oh, no. "Today is .5 degrees above the mean, a clear indicator of imminent climate change that is going to boil us in our skin! Make sure to lather in chemicals, hide from the sun, and don't exert yourself or you might sweat and die!" 🤢🤢🤢
That only time I get “mainstream” media is when I catch glimpses of cnn or Fox News at the gym or my dads house and for sure agree, both are not good for you in any way. Just nicely packaged garbage made to make you feel as many strong emotions in as little time as possible.
Sure, that’s one way of putting it. You gotta understand, society in the west isn’t built on critical thinking and common sense. It’s a massive delusion making us slaves for the wealthy and powerful. It runs deep and begins in childhood. Kids generally believe what they’re told. I used to believe in Santa and the tooth fairy, but the lies were revealed eventually, so I stopped believing. Imagine the lies never being revealed, but constantly repeated and reinforced in education, media, politics, and entertainment.
Homosexuality and abortion as political talking points serves a common interest: Reducing population growth. It’s one of UN’s sustainability goals.
International communism hit on the idea in the 1930's that destroying the church and family would eliminate non-government sources of power, and make people more dependent on govt. So while the majority of people advocating these ideas are stupid and lazy people who were conditioned in school, behind them is a deliberate effort. Recently PRC was outed as the major funder of Trans advocacy in the US. I'll bet LGBT+ and abortion is part of that as well.
When people say "All the worlds a stage" this is the type of thing they mean. Making people engage on a subject to keep them artificially busy is the same thing as you watching a play or a movie. Keeps you busy and focused on something.
Amen! I am a believer, both in the Bible and America, do what you want we’re free to choose. Be gay, trans, adopt, get an abortion support Hamas or Israel who gives a shit. Just make groceries affordable again. I like Shmuel Asher’s take on the original commandment to rule them all. You are not to subdue the will of another, freewill is the rule of the realm.
Exactly. I try explaining this to people and some get it, but most are too stuck in their belief system to see it for what it is; political propaganda. I feel like most people don’t even care about who’s gay/trans, black/white, anymore. The majority of people in the States just live their lives. Even the racist people will hide their racism in public when around the opposite race. The ones that are in your face about these issues are the severely brainwashed people.
Politicians WANT civil unrest, so they can come in and be the hero. They’ll create a problem behind the scenes and then in the public eye, throw money at it to fix it. They come out on top and look like the good guy/girl. Politicians are out for no one but themselves. I could never understand the cult like mentality from people when it comes to any politician.
I completely agree with you except for one point, I don't think they want to be the hero. I think they want a permanent version of martial law with full surveillance worse then we're presently under.
One should therefore conclude the government and politicians are antagonists. Why would we as the people associate with a group of people who use psychological warfare tactics on us.They aint our friends. Yet, people feel compelled to obey. Its crazy 2 me.
This is the way I see it, the lens by which I digest all information coming from politicians and the media. I wish more people saw it this way, but so many just get baited in and can’t see past the smokescreen.
It's so bad honestly. So many people don't realize that every nation uses its TV stations for one thing and one thing only...mind controlling propaganda.
Those are called wedge issues. They're issues designed to inflict maximum emotional baggage, but whose resolution offers little to no tangible benefit. It's just so much easier to rob us blind when we're arguing about who can use which bathrooms.
Occupy Wall Street was the last time people fought against the elites. Every protest/conflict since then has been manipulated and orchestrated by the elites as a distraction.
Look at the huge police violence movement that started a few years ago. Is it the police who are too violent? Maybe. Is it crab bucket black people who are violent and they’re the problem? Maybe. Or is it the economic suffocation by the elites forcing black people to have hopeless upbringings and making police scared to patrol their neighborhoods? Probably that but don’t you dare say it’s the elites fault. It’s definitely the middle class vs poor people. That definitely makes sense right?
Occupy Wall Street was such a huge event that most people have forgotten about. Ever since that moment the elites have really ramped up the distractions. Seems to be when all this trans stuff really took off.
Because with the wealth come power and control… they control the masses. Emotionally charged issues help accomplish this. It’s is really about control, dividing and conquering. Keeps the sheep in check.
They’re not the most important. They aren’t even the top 3 most important topics for voters. Politicians use these topics because they’re easy and get people to argue so they won’t stop to think about the crashing economy or housing market because politicians don’t want to “fix” that.
The point is you would think they are top 3 based on the media coverage. If we had the same outrage when another bailout or another tax cut for the rich happened, things might actually improve.
They aren't the most important, they are the most polarizing and distracting.
The biggest issues we have boil down to class.
The elite classes wants the rest of us to fight over everything else like abortion, race, sexuality, religion, etc. so they can keep oppressing the masses.
If we're all trying to kill each other over who used what bathroom, they can much easier give themselves more power and more money.
Livelyhoods right out of our pockets and into to theirs... With the help of identity politics.
The American dream is alive and strong... It's just that the billionaires are the ones dreaming it.
Ideological warfare is manufactured in a nation to distract the public. Imagine if you had a tremendous amount of capital and power. The only threat to you is people turning against you or a rebellion against you. Your first step is to become invisible or stealth. Second step is to turn the populace against each other. Tie the topics into what makes them deeply emotional and now you’ve more or less blinded them. Every powerful state does this using for example religion, ethno nationalism or any variety of ideologies when the solutions are usually very specific to the laws, policies, regulation and taxation of the country.
Nope, all you really need to do is decentralize the power. The way the US government is supposed to work is local government should take care of 90% of things, state governments the next 9% and the federal government should take care of the last 1% that the other two cannot do. This would foster stronger communities. Think about our tax system it is completely backwards we should be paying mostly local taxes and very little federal. We need to completely cut the legs out of the federal government.
It's callled divide and conquor. It started after the Occupy movement. The government saw red necks protesting with the gays and blacks. So they created this issue so we could all be divided. They made it seem like trans people go to women's bathrooms to stalk women when really, it is straight men that stalk and kill women in the bathroom. For example a man was recently arrested at my University for attacking a woman in the bathroom.
They created a bread and circus with Trump and people think a billonare is going to rescue them. Meanwhile Biden is a walking dead man. It's just awful and this will be used to usher the NWO and WEF global plans. Mark my words.
They are fundamental when you need these rights and completely irrelevant when you don't. To answer this question, you would actually have to recognize which side you are looking from.
You can't threaten something that's fundamental to some people and then expect them not to care just because you don't actually care about the issue.
It would basically be akin to atheists trying to ban religion and then posting that they don't understand why people are so much about it when there are so many bigger problems.
The Post Modern era (1960s-present) has mainly been about creating new social order and a focus on social engineering away from traditional society.
Aka.
Family. Land ownership. Marriage. Agriculture. Savings.
These societal structures represent independence and self sustainability that threaten corporate and governmental societal control over individuals.
Thus corporate and government promote policies and agendas that "regulate" and "diminish" these structures from flourishing and push people into powerless forms of existence.
Eg from land ownership into rent based societies.
Eg from a family unit with children to child free "modern" 1 income household where wealth cannot be passed down through generations.
Eg farms and pastures to factory/lab food supplies.
Eg population replacement to population disruption/ depletion via promoting abortion and same sex coupling which cannot produce offspring directly.
Eg high rate of Marriage to high rate of Divorce.
Eg financial saving to consumer spending.
Watching the documentary “Shiny Happy People “ talks about evangelical homeschooling programs that prep young men how to run for office, now those boys begin to assume positions in our government and repeal womens rights and promote fundamentalist Christian ideology.
The middle class has evaporated since 1973. But instead of focusing on that the right and left hope these issues serve to energize voters since any systemic change to how our country is organized is off the table.
You literally posted about israel doing war crimes, so kenya should dissasociate with the US and join russia, when russia has done war crimes themselves in ukraine. You are literally a brainwashed anti-western parrot.
I bet you everyone in here saying this isn't a serious issue and its a "divide and conquer" all feel very strongly on both issues.
Frankly I do think both are considered big issues. Ever since the Supreme Court overturned standard US abortion laws to implement a very unpopular ruling, anti-abortion votes have had massive voter turnouts and I believe every the pro-life position has lost every vote, even in conservative areas. That suggests to me that yes actually people care about the issue alot.
I think the issue of abortion and homosexuality both have to do with personal freedom and its alot easier for the average person to see the effect of abortion and homosexuality related policies than some obscure regulation or tariff.
Every election, my mom's biggest topic for choosing a candidate is that they must be against abortion. I ask her why? How does whether someone else gets an abortion affect her personally? She is in her 70s. I'm like you aren't getting an abortion, I'm not getting an abortion, why do you care? Why is this her #1 topic, not something that would in some way affect her? She can't answer with any sensible reason, other than whatever was programmed into her at church that this is our nation's biggest issue. I suspect the same may be true of other religious boomers.
The modern manifestation of this conflict began in the late 1980’s early 1990’s with the rise of the politicized christian conservatives. They had long been opposed to these policies (tolerance for homosexuals and abortion) and cultural norms and hegemony began to shift away from them. They politically organized to oppose these policies, and the opposite side counter organized to support them.
The American electorate (idk about the rest of the west) is also generally not very sophisticated on other topics. Your average voter has no real strong, informed opinion on the structure of taxes or on the labor policies of the NLRB for example. These types of issues, homosexuality and abortion, are an easy target to go after to get votes for both sides, because they are more prominent in people’s individual lives and the sides and their implications are more clear.
From this, its not really a massive conspiracy, it's more so that people will never put their minds to something that doesn't immediately and obviously impact their lives... Right?
It’s more that people will engage with something simple that *does* impact their lives. Like street-level liberalism is very important to a subset of Americans, and conservative Christian values are important to another subset, because they both engage with those every single day.
Yup! If everyone embraced free will and actually bound together for the American people and took back our power the elusive elites would not fair very well! Once you see it is not about a specific issue, hating another human for one reason or another, legislation , or even money it is about power and control it can’t be unseen!
It's more about combating government overreach. Even if a woman never plans on having an abortion, the fact that the government can mandate what they can do with their own bodies that would result in a massive change in their life is viewed as a massive overreach.
Topic of homosexuality is very vague. Are you talking about like gay marriage? That's already legal in most Western countries. Same goes for civil protections as well.
They are religious-centric topics. The US is generally divided into Democrats and Republicans but the true divide is those who are Christians and those who aren’t. Can you believe we fought a whole war just to have another God cult pop up? I can lol
Homosexuality we have kinda moved on from. Abortions are a big deal because a child can ruin your life or the life of the child. Personally my view is that if conservatives really didn’t want abortions they would have better access to bc and better education, but none of those things happen. Like my mother had an abortion but is very anti abortion and went to marches in the 70s to protest abortion, bht her abortion is different and doesn’t count.
They generate the most clicks in social media algorithms.
Plus, these are issues that can't be "solved". They will spark discussion for centuries and generate revenue for news outlets and talking points for politics.
Well they are very important to people who live by certain spiritual ideologies. By the same token, like others have said...all of us need to realize that there is a bigger game being played against all of us by mostly non seen players that are pushing out agendas. It's bigger than the two pawns we see. What this really is is spiritual warfare at the highest level.
Every western country is different.
In my country, the only reason those topics coming up at all is because we have an ageing population hell bent on doing as much damage as they can before they die.
They're stupid picks who just want things to be like "The good old days" without realising
A) Those days weren't good for everyone.
B) Bringing back overt racism isn't going to make young people respect you.
Someone might say that those are facets of an agenda that a specific group is pushing. Maybe the group might have religious ideologies that are directly opposed to a lifestyle where those things are an option. A group like this might use something like same sex marriage and abortions and equate those things to the destruction of the traditional family unit that has been sold to society for generations.
They aren’t. As Americans we just have all of our priorities messed up and think that who can use what restroom and how can I have an abortion are important. Most of us don’t pay attention to how we give all of our money to other countries while leaving our own people to starve and be homeless and crazy. We think nationalism is wrong and being masculine is wrong and being feminine is wrong. If you are in another country I would say now is the time to take us over. We probably wouldn’t even put up much of a fight.
They aren't the most important topics, but they're designed to distract you from what *are* the most important topics.
Manufactured divisiveness is a powerful tool to "govern" the masses.
The elitists oligarchs utilize wedge issues and identity politics to divide the masses.
They'll never address the widening wealth disparity in America. Behind the illusion of choice in American politics lies the dictatorship of the corporate cartels.
Any issue that strikes to the heart of the problem is forbidden to speak of. It's like a division problem but the only non censored portion of the solution is the remainder.
You don't take flak until you are over the target, and nobody is going to prison for saying Elvis is alive, or that UFOs are real.
Wedge issues that make for easy division distraction and diversion from actual issues that impact ALL. These aren’t the two main issues/topics but are certainly at the forefront of political talk. Culture war topics
They are not the most important topics. It's just that our shitty USA media uses these topics to further divide us.
In my opinion, most regular folks are more concerned about the Economy, and the huge influx of illegals across our southern border.
I believe politicians and bureaucrats are distracting and dividing us so they can continue to tax us to death. I would say from “both sides of the aisle” but there really is only one party; Greed
A large majority of the population here is raised in some form of christian church and so regularly values of the christian church are pandered to to foster a sense of nostalgia, trust, and unity with candidates.
As for why they focus on those two issues, it has less to do with the church or theology and more to do with "moral decay" scares over the centuries which were pinned on each group respectively in different eras.
They are not issues in Canada. We pretty much live and let live. Abortions are legal, people's sexuality isn't a big deal with most people here.
Most of the bs in politics is to distract from the important things.
It’s not, probably like 10% in reality actually care. Media would have you believe the other way around. I literally don’t know one single person whose main concerns are those.
People who believe in talking snakes and 1000 year old humans and an underground fiery torture dungeon think they get to tell everyone else how to live. Their belief in a 2000 year old unoriginal mythology (stole all its best points from older mythologies) makes them feel morally superior to everyone else. This gives them a sense of entitlement and a mistaken belief that their delusions are authentic than reality.
I have to laugh. Their invented messiah preached to love their neighbors and to not judge their neighbors and to not throw the first stone and to not be greedy or deceitful.... and they ignore all of that and proudly proclaim themselves as worshippers of Christ. Well, not his message or philosophy. Just him.
they arent even close to the most important thing, but the ultra-rich and cultural marxists are using wedge issues to divide people apart so they can steal all the money and power while people bicker over washrooms and drag queens
People that can't think for themselves are told this is why their lives suck. They want something to be angry and righteous about. I could go on but people that are willing to die on that hill are typically not possible to reason with.
Evangelicals used to run opposing civil rights as a wedge issue. When the civil rights act passed, they began pushing abortion as the primary wedge issue.
When Roe v Wade was decided in 1973, 39% of Republicans and 35% of Democrats agreed it should be legal. Once evangelical christians started their crusade against abortion it become a big voting factor for conservatives in the USA.
Then it got overturned so now it's a bigger issue for the left and liberals here.
Isn't the modern idea of 'masculinity' itself an oppressive technique peddled by the elite to keep working class men toiling at thankless, dangerous jobs under the guise of it being 'what real men do'?
Answering this question from a solely American point of view:
Being pro abortion and accepting of homosexuality and people who live “alternative” lifestyles are traits common to those who vote for the Democrats party.
Being anti-homosexuality, and pro-life are traits common for religious folks in the states. To get the religious people to vote for their party the Republicans push bills and overall just exert opinions that are against people who don’t live lives that are the “status-quo”.
According to [this study from 2021](https://news.gallup.com/poll/358364/religious-americans.aspx) 68% of Americans claim that Christianity is the religion most Americans identify with.
The Republican Party is stroking the religious cocks of the Christian morality so they will get more votes and win more elections. This is true because they know that most religious people only vote for whoever is anti-gay and whoever is anti-abortion even if it would be in their best interest to cote a different way.
It’s important because it goes against their moral obligation to influence society to live how they think people should live. And anyone who doesn’t live like them is living in sin and going to hell. So if they can stop people from having abortions and being gay on the political level, therefore they stop more people from going to hell.
I think it is due to a resurgence of religious fundamentalism. Opposition to both these things stems from deeply held religious views that had been thought to be on the decline, but now appear to have rallied somewhat and are on the rise again.
Sorry, like you're 5:
People say that God says that these things are bad, m'kay...
Google wedge issue strategy.
A strategy developed by the Republican party to use culture issues to push voting blocks, especially Christian by convincing them that they needed to vote for them on moral grounds.
This was done so they could enact unpopular policies that entrench the elite while maintaining votes from the people being hurt by those policies.
This is why the US doesn't have universal healthcare.
Because people are under a psyop. Trained to consider unimportant things over important things. This way governments can get away to doing the important things criminally.
It's called divide and conquer. They get the population to fight amongst themselves so they cannot pilot their own government. Racism is an issue used for this too
Abortion and homosexuality are far from the most important issues. Most people are concerned with the economy and who would be a better president in terms of reducing inflation and making current wages more livable. The abortion/homosexuality issues are basically used as emotional pulls on less aware voters, as they essentially just don’t matter in the grand scheme of things, at least not to the extent that economic/militaristic issues may apply
They aren’t. It’s propaganda for the small minded. Real Americans know the real issues. Hyper inflation, zero border security, political corruption, drug trafficking/overdose deaths, and human trafficking and child sex crimes are just a few . They use hot button issues to fire people up. Our country is in deep shit real bad. Either we vote in good leadership or we fall as a nation. It’s scary.
Divide and conquer, is unfolding before our eyes.
Use actors to distract the masses, make them fight against each other, while the corporations that controls the politicians and controls also every other small company, steal all there is left to steal, and change laws to do so.
Small companies depending of corporation investments, do as they say(lgbbq×+÷/++) to push their political agendas or no money investment for them.
If people dont start concentrating on the scammers and whos at the root of the problem, rather then this or thst, we will all fail.
2030 nwo is their goal.(communist china 2.0)
To give the peasants something to argue over and ignore all the shit governments are actually doing.
Anything a politician says in public is for the cameras to provide talking points. The shit they do off camera is what we should be talking about and what we really should be voting on
Some flimflam man they pay a tenth of their earnings to sits on a pulpit every Sunday morning and convinces them the reason for all their hardships is that a supposedly benevolent all powerful entity loves us all so much that he is punishing everyone collectively for things he has weird sexual hangups about- and the way forward to prosperity is to just like... you know... not have those people around anymore.
And if you're too chickenshit to do it yourself, why dont you all vote for this great godly man to rule the country and do it for you, so your hands are clean?
Republicans don't have policies that help the working class but need working class votes in order to win elections. So they focus on in/out groups and demonize them instead of focusing on policy. It's a misdirection. It was gay people who were going to destroy society in the 2000's. Never happened. Now that most Americans know gay people and understand they're just like everyone else, the right has to find another enemy. That's why they focus on trans people. States like Utah passed trans sports bans when there were literally only 1 or 2 trans people in a state of millions who the bill affected. The Right needs you to be afraid of some imagined enemy so workers don't unite and eradicate the ruling class. Same reason they demonize immigrants and blacks. Keeps people divided.
Because the lefts ideas on economics and foreign policy fail every single time so they need to focus on other things to have any chance of getting elected
I think the answer is religion. In other countries there is legislation in place to give rights to their citizens and then focus can be on other issues. In the US those subjects draw so much attention due to religion and therefore the legislation around these topics draws impassioned debate.
It’s the trendiest way to influence an Americans in finite culture that will eventually consume its self like an ouroboros. The elites use political agendas influence the west that these are matters of importance. But American’s are in debt, their dumb and their dying. It looks very much out of idiocracy!
I don’t think it’s a big issue, but I also don’t watch mainstream media. I’m more concerned about the illegal activity in the stock market, insider trading by our politicians, companies lobbying, censorship, all of the money we send overseas, the stagnant rise of wages versus the cost of living/inflation/housing, cost of college. The way the wealthy profited so much off of COVID. I am concerned about health care rights such as forced vaccines. Health issues being created and unleashed on us (Lyme, Covid).
Gay is currently cool. But also they faced oppressed a few decades ago
Women have died due to not being allowed to have abortions. And force birth is a great way to control women
They aren’t. It’s a very small minority of people, using a corrupt media, to make it look like the entire country is this way, but it is not. This is how the few attempts to control the many.
The mainstream likes to keep people distracted from the bigger topics like wars, on going wars and escalation. Alot of it’s smoke screen tactics to keep people asleep to as what they need to hear and need to learn.
If people heard what they NEEDED to hear about this country and the things going on in it they would be shocked. People in the US I believe are softer than people in other countries and most of them haven’t had to go through anything like what’s going on in Ukraine and Gaza. I’m not talking about the feelings of the protesters I’m talking about the battle hardened men and women.
Clear star hit the nail on the head. Turn off the media and you will realize that is not who Americans really are, or what we stand for. We stand for God, Freedom, Family, Love and Health. I don’t care what sexual orientation you are or what life decisions people make , just love one another, accept people even if you don’t understand or agree with them and stop all the hate pouring out from your hearts.
America is getting more irreligious by the decade. Also, are you implying that if I support freedom, love, family, and health, I would be against those things? I support same- sex marriage and abortion, and support those other things.
It’s to distract stupid people from the skyrocketing cost of living.
Normal, not chronically online people, are more worried about their grocery bill than gay butt sex or abortions.
Hell, even people that like gay butt sex are more concerned about their grocery bill than anything else.
It's not a main topic to most Americans.
It's only a problem to the religious extremists (Christianity has them too) that are infiltrating our government, and breaking our constitutional agreement of the separation of church and 'state'.
They are also trying to force schools to display religious ideals in all classrooms in some states, and they are banning books that mention homosexuality in schools.
To the non religious, it feels like the walls are caving in.
(Just my take at least)
OP you should look up Arsenal love is love. A LBGT campaign from the gunners. LBGT is only a symbol of the free open world society in the west. The western world has a much higher human development index than i-e south Africa. Un-developed nations tend to lean towards Russia, Iran and China where LBGT is in many cases illegal.
State level culture is too different to have these things regulated on a higher level.
A right implies (forced) medical cooperation with things like abortion and sex change etc.
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They aren't. They're used by politicians to distract stupid people from real issues. Since the stupid people get caught up in them nothing that's really damaging society ever gets dealt with. What is on the TV and the news isn't actually what is important to people. It's just what the media tries to push as many people as possible into focusing on...and uselessly fighting about it...because it's very polarized. Divide and conquer. That would be why in a nutshell.
Thank you. I wish that more people realised that pretty much every issue that's pushed as contentious is just divide and conquer. Yes, everyone should have equal rights, and pretty much everyone agrees on that, except for certain sections of the media sowing division.
The Supreme Court just overturned the “Chevron Doctrine” we barely heard a peep about it in the news. It’s a huge issue, it essentially strips all federal agencies with the power to fill in the blanks in laws that are vague like EPA rules or Energy Department. All of a sudden, it’s a free for all. But Roe v Wade is everywhere on the news.
The example I gave my wife was, what happens if the Governor of Texas says to TSA, “get the hell out of our airports” ? Is there really some statute authorizing body scanners? My guess is no and that most of what TSA does is agency driven under the Chevron Doctrine. I will also say - when I was in law school and learned about Chevron - it was an aha moment. THIS is where American democracy was subverted. So, overturning Chevron is ultimately a good thing. It just seems like the type of thing that precedes a civil war.
To answer your questions.. federal funding is the lever that allows the TSA by way of the federal guv to decide basically whatever they want. Somebody threatens to not comply they get threatened with pulling federal funding. This is the same thing that allowed healthcare institutions to essentially mandate the vacks. SCOTUS ruled that any institution receiving federal funding must comply with whatever the fed guv says. Edit: to clarify.. the federal funding lever undermines whether something is constitutional or not. Atleast until another precedent is set.
That’s exactly how the age requirement for drinking alcohol became a national standard: highway funding.
“Barely heard a peep” it’s on the front page of the NYT yesterday and today brother
Go to the grocery store today. Ask 5 people if they know the chevron doctrine was overturned. The ask them if they heard roe v wade was overturned. Tally responses and get back to me.
I will agree it was probably glossed over by a lot of people, even those that follow news. But it definitely was mentioned, quite a few times and made it pretty clear how important that case is (was). I just can’t believe wtf is going on.
First I’m hearing of it. I work weekends tho
Stop being overly dramatic, it doesn’t make it a “free for all”! It removes an unconstitutional policy! The constitution enumerates a separation of powers, Congress is charged with making the laws and the executive branch is charged with enforcing them. The executive branch has been making policy (which they call laws) and punishing people for violating those policies without due process for over 40 years! This SCOTUS did what is is supposed to do and struck down an unconstitutional policy. This will force the executive branch to follow its design and only enforce the laws Congress creates. If the law is ambiguous, then Congress needs to correct it!
> If the law is ambiguous, then Congress needs to correct it! 100%
Amen brother, force congress to do their damn jobs and actually get information on what they are passing laws about.
I will address my outrage in equal measure to the congress that is incapable of anything besides squabbling over the next impeachment. While they refuse to restrict their own ability to buy shares of companies they pass laws to regulate.
lol why an unconstitutional policy was there in the first place? How many more of these unconstitutional policies that most of us have no knowledge about are still out there, affecting our lives on everyday basis?
Many, the problem is that the agencies know that they are unconstitutional, but they will get away with it for years before someone with enough money, and willing to battle the government, is harmed by it. The government with unlimited funds and judicial system that is part of the government makes this a very uphill battle and has no consequences when they lose. Many times they will drop the case or try to negotiate a settlement before it makes it to the Supreme Court so as not to have it ruled unconstitutional and they can continue. It takes a lot of money and the willingness to see it all the way through against an entity that is policing itself all the while making money off of your progress through the courts. When they lose, many times they just tweak the law or policy with a minor word change and put it back into effect again, knowing it will take years for their power to be clipped again!
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So we think politicians are smart enough to pass detailed and technical regulations on everything now?
Politicians use the same “experts” that the agencies do to write the rules! We know politicians just present them to the other politicians to vote on the way their people back home would want! This way the “experts” can’t just advise the politicians to create an ambiguous laws that no one understands, then go to the agency and have them create rules that benefit them! This keeps the creation of the laws I. The hands of the people and not the “experts”!
The potential overturning of the Chevron Doctrine does raise significant concerns, especially regarding the balance of power between federal agencies and the judiciary. Here are a few potential implications: 1. **Judicial Workload**: If Chevron is overturned, courts will have to take a more active role in interpreting ambiguous statutes, which could lead to an increased workload and potentially inconsistent interpretations across different jurisdictions [[❞]](https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/supreme-court-likely-to-discard-chevron/) [[❞]](https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/the-end-of-chevron-what-it-would-mean-1255407/). 2. **Regulatory Uncertainty**: Federal agencies often rely on Chevron deference to issue and enforce regulations efficiently. Without this deference, there could be greater uncertainty and less predictability in regulatory environments, affecting businesses and industries that depend on clear guidelines [[❞]](https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/05/supreme-court-will-consider-major-case-on-power-of-federal-regulatory-agencies/) [[❞]](https://shjlawfirm.com/2024/03/04/supreme-court-takes-on-the-chevron-doctrine/). 3. **Impact on Federal Agencies**: Agencies might find it more challenging to implement policies, especially in technical and specialized areas where their expertise has traditionally been given deference. This could slow down the process of rulemaking and enforcement [[❞]](https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/supreme-court-likely-to-discard-chevron/) [[❞]](https://shjlawfirm.com/2024/03/04/supreme-court-takes-on-the-chevron-doctrine/). 4. **Legal Precedent and Stability**: Overturning Chevron could destabilize many existing legal precedents that were based on the doctrine, leading to a wave of litigation as parties seek to challenge previous rulings [[❞]](https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/the-end-of-chevron-what-it-would-mean-1255407/). Overall, while some see the potential change as a way to reinforce judicial authority and limit executive overreach, others worry it could create significant disruptions in how laws are implemented and interpreted across the country.
Thanks ConspiraGPT
All of these things curb agency overreach and the many ways radicals have been subverting the law through the Chevron Doctrine. It will also combat over regulation of everything. If Congress wants to regulate something, they're going to have to write proper legislation, not open ended nonsense that's abdicating their responsibility. Of course, I think half of Congress is probably incapable of that, but that's a different matter.
So we should overturn our entire regulatory system knowing Congress is too dysfunctional to provide a stable alternative? If I were on a conspiracy subreddit I might say that is exactly what massive corporations would want to happen so they could maximize profits without having to do shit about health and safety for the public.
You are right, this is mostly good for mega corporations, who have time and time again shown they need to be regulated. This also comes at a time where the supreme court just ruled it's okay for them to receive gifts. Judges receiving gifts and removing a third parties ability to keep these corporations in check means said judges will be the ones interpreting these laws. Quite literally a corruption conspiracy in the making and people in the conspiracy sub are saying it's a good thing...
Thats where I'm leaning. This sub is constantly talking about how a corrupt cabal of elitists are fucking over the whole planet for their own profits. We get a pretty clear example of that exact thing and this sub is saying is beautiful.
The ineptitude of Congress is not an excuse to give power to unelected officials. But I'm guessing from your statements that you're among those who think they know better than everyone else and should have that power.
Under the Chevron Doctrine agencies could not make laws, and they could not do anything contrary to statutory language.
But they could broadly interpret laws. The entire reason it's been challenged is due to that. And you know that.
Yes but it only works if its not contrary to the laws the Congress passed. So, wouldn't a better system be to allow the subject matter experts to promulgate regulations, that are only found to be valid if they aren't contrary to congress laws, and if that is an inccorect finding Congress can then pass a law saying it is contrary to the laws. Seems likes thats the best way to ensure Congress still keeps its law making authority without resulting in rivers that start on fire because Congress is too dysfunctional to pass regulations.
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They do realize it. At least they say they do. In the same breath, after stating, they believe that they'll argue about it
So intellectual laziness is the real problem?
Not completely, the education system is in shambles. If youre dumb and in debt you're more easily controlled
Dumb and in debt. So most college level students?
Yes. College campuses are the largest indoctrination camps in America.
I don’t think it’s that as much as it is media outlets speaking for entire groups of people. Life’s good where I’m at as long as you keep the tv off ya know?
I'm not going to say there aren't major issues, but as someone who has barely watched TV (outside of some sports) in decades, the times I'm in a hotel or an airport and the TV is on...it's like an IV of pure poison. It's truly disturbing how almost every word spoken is in some way agenda driven. It's a bright, sunny day? Do we get to be happy about that? Oh, no. "Today is .5 degrees above the mean, a clear indicator of imminent climate change that is going to boil us in our skin! Make sure to lather in chemicals, hide from the sun, and don't exert yourself or you might sweat and die!" 🤢🤢🤢
That only time I get “mainstream” media is when I catch glimpses of cnn or Fox News at the gym or my dads house and for sure agree, both are not good for you in any way. Just nicely packaged garbage made to make you feel as many strong emotions in as little time as possible.
Same and the ads! All pharmaceutical ads! Gah!
Sure, that’s one way of putting it. You gotta understand, society in the west isn’t built on critical thinking and common sense. It’s a massive delusion making us slaves for the wealthy and powerful. It runs deep and begins in childhood. Kids generally believe what they’re told. I used to believe in Santa and the tooth fairy, but the lies were revealed eventually, so I stopped believing. Imagine the lies never being revealed, but constantly repeated and reinforced in education, media, politics, and entertainment. Homosexuality and abortion as political talking points serves a common interest: Reducing population growth. It’s one of UN’s sustainability goals.
People are easily distracted. The problem (if we want to use that word—I would simply say ‘situation’) is lack of wisdom
International communism hit on the idea in the 1930's that destroying the church and family would eliminate non-government sources of power, and make people more dependent on govt. So while the majority of people advocating these ideas are stupid and lazy people who were conditioned in school, behind them is a deliberate effort. Recently PRC was outed as the major funder of Trans advocacy in the US. I'll bet LGBT+ and abortion is part of that as well.
And normalization of sodomy, promiscuity and total moral degradation of the west
Way to prove original commenters point. Lmfao
When people say "All the worlds a stage" this is the type of thing they mean. Making people engage on a subject to keep them artificially busy is the same thing as you watching a play or a movie. Keeps you busy and focused on something.
Amen! I am a believer, both in the Bible and America, do what you want we’re free to choose. Be gay, trans, adopt, get an abortion support Hamas or Israel who gives a shit. Just make groceries affordable again. I like Shmuel Asher’s take on the original commandment to rule them all. You are not to subdue the will of another, freewill is the rule of the realm.
Exactly. I try explaining this to people and some get it, but most are too stuck in their belief system to see it for what it is; political propaganda. I feel like most people don’t even care about who’s gay/trans, black/white, anymore. The majority of people in the States just live their lives. Even the racist people will hide their racism in public when around the opposite race. The ones that are in your face about these issues are the severely brainwashed people. Politicians WANT civil unrest, so they can come in and be the hero. They’ll create a problem behind the scenes and then in the public eye, throw money at it to fix it. They come out on top and look like the good guy/girl. Politicians are out for no one but themselves. I could never understand the cult like mentality from people when it comes to any politician.
I completely agree with you except for one point, I don't think they want to be the hero. I think they want a permanent version of martial law with full surveillance worse then we're presently under.
This. 🏆 It’s all just fake invisible catastrophes and threats of doom.
One should therefore conclude the government and politicians are antagonists. Why would we as the people associate with a group of people who use psychological warfare tactics on us.They aint our friends. Yet, people feel compelled to obey. Its crazy 2 me.
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Came here to say this, spot on
I wish knew more ppl like this
Lol same.
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🎯 unfortunately it is what’s important to most people because they haven’t realize that the world is a stage yet.
This is the way I see it, the lens by which I digest all information coming from politicians and the media. I wish more people saw it this way, but so many just get baited in and can’t see past the smokescreen.
Yep, the media basically jingles keys and manages to hypnotize the entire population.
Perfectly said...!! Agree 100%
As long as the systems in place remain, no real issues will be solved.
There you made my comment for me, thanks. I guess it's not surprising that so many people don't realize that TV is just endless commercials.
It's so bad honestly. So many people don't realize that every nation uses its TV stations for one thing and one thing only...mind controlling propaganda.
Those are called wedge issues. They're issues designed to inflict maximum emotional baggage, but whose resolution offers little to no tangible benefit. It's just so much easier to rob us blind when we're arguing about who can use which bathrooms.
Occupy Wall Street was the last time people fought against the elites. Every protest/conflict since then has been manipulated and orchestrated by the elites as a distraction. Look at the huge police violence movement that started a few years ago. Is it the police who are too violent? Maybe. Is it crab bucket black people who are violent and they’re the problem? Maybe. Or is it the economic suffocation by the elites forcing black people to have hopeless upbringings and making police scared to patrol their neighborhoods? Probably that but don’t you dare say it’s the elites fault. It’s definitely the middle class vs poor people. That definitely makes sense right?
Occupy Wall Street was such a huge event that most people have forgotten about. Ever since that moment the elites have really ramped up the distractions. Seems to be when all this trans stuff really took off.
The rich are hoarding all the wealth and distract us with other issues so we don't get mad at them for hoarding all the wealth.
Because with the wealth come power and control… they control the masses. Emotionally charged issues help accomplish this. It’s is really about control, dividing and conquering. Keeps the sheep in check.
They’re not the most important. They aren’t even the top 3 most important topics for voters. Politicians use these topics because they’re easy and get people to argue so they won’t stop to think about the crashing economy or housing market because politicians don’t want to “fix” that.
The point is you would think they are top 3 based on the media coverage. If we had the same outrage when another bailout or another tax cut for the rich happened, things might actually improve.
They aren't the most important, they are the most polarizing and distracting. The biggest issues we have boil down to class. The elite classes wants the rest of us to fight over everything else like abortion, race, sexuality, religion, etc. so they can keep oppressing the masses. If we're all trying to kill each other over who used what bathroom, they can much easier give themselves more power and more money. Livelyhoods right out of our pockets and into to theirs... With the help of identity politics. The American dream is alive and strong... It's just that the billionaires are the ones dreaming it.
Ideological warfare is manufactured in a nation to distract the public. Imagine if you had a tremendous amount of capital and power. The only threat to you is people turning against you or a rebellion against you. Your first step is to become invisible or stealth. Second step is to turn the populace against each other. Tie the topics into what makes them deeply emotional and now you’ve more or less blinded them. Every powerful state does this using for example religion, ethno nationalism or any variety of ideologies when the solutions are usually very specific to the laws, policies, regulation and taxation of the country.
And OP is practicing it right now,
Unless this is a honey pot
Also allow an immensely powerful opiate to incapacitate large portions of your military age males.
So the first step to truly freeing yourselves would be to expose the "powerful elite" who are the true puppeteers.
Nope, all you really need to do is decentralize the power. The way the US government is supposed to work is local government should take care of 90% of things, state governments the next 9% and the federal government should take care of the last 1% that the other two cannot do. This would foster stronger communities. Think about our tax system it is completely backwards we should be paying mostly local taxes and very little federal. We need to completely cut the legs out of the federal government.
It's callled divide and conquor. It started after the Occupy movement. The government saw red necks protesting with the gays and blacks. So they created this issue so we could all be divided. They made it seem like trans people go to women's bathrooms to stalk women when really, it is straight men that stalk and kill women in the bathroom. For example a man was recently arrested at my University for attacking a woman in the bathroom. They created a bread and circus with Trump and people think a billonare is going to rescue them. Meanwhile Biden is a walking dead man. It's just awful and this will be used to usher the NWO and WEF global plans. Mark my words.
Look over here, don't look over there.
They are fundamental when you need these rights and completely irrelevant when you don't. To answer this question, you would actually have to recognize which side you are looking from. You can't threaten something that's fundamental to some people and then expect them not to care just because you don't actually care about the issue. It would basically be akin to atheists trying to ban religion and then posting that they don't understand why people are so much about it when there are so many bigger problems.
This is a perfect answer.
The Post Modern era (1960s-present) has mainly been about creating new social order and a focus on social engineering away from traditional society. Aka. Family. Land ownership. Marriage. Agriculture. Savings. These societal structures represent independence and self sustainability that threaten corporate and governmental societal control over individuals. Thus corporate and government promote policies and agendas that "regulate" and "diminish" these structures from flourishing and push people into powerless forms of existence. Eg from land ownership into rent based societies. Eg from a family unit with children to child free "modern" 1 income household where wealth cannot be passed down through generations. Eg farms and pastures to factory/lab food supplies. Eg population replacement to population disruption/ depletion via promoting abortion and same sex coupling which cannot produce offspring directly. Eg high rate of Marriage to high rate of Divorce. Eg financial saving to consumer spending.
This is exactly correct. You will eat the bugs, live in the pods, own nothing, and be happy.
All of this. It is unfortunate a lot of people don't understand this.
Watching the documentary “Shiny Happy People “ talks about evangelical homeschooling programs that prep young men how to run for office, now those boys begin to assume positions in our government and repeal womens rights and promote fundamentalist Christian ideology.
Well put.
Not important to most people, they just make the headlines for the clicks.
The middle class has evaporated since 1973. But instead of focusing on that the right and left hope these issues serve to energize voters since any systemic change to how our country is organized is off the table.
Because too many people want to dictate to others about their personal lives.
The west is full of brainwashed people.
kenya is a shithole
You literally posted about israel doing war crimes, so kenya should dissasociate with the US and join russia, when russia has done war crimes themselves in ukraine. You are literally a brainwashed anti-western parrot.
I bet you everyone in here saying this isn't a serious issue and its a "divide and conquer" all feel very strongly on both issues. Frankly I do think both are considered big issues. Ever since the Supreme Court overturned standard US abortion laws to implement a very unpopular ruling, anti-abortion votes have had massive voter turnouts and I believe every the pro-life position has lost every vote, even in conservative areas. That suggests to me that yes actually people care about the issue alot. I think the issue of abortion and homosexuality both have to do with personal freedom and its alot easier for the average person to see the effect of abortion and homosexuality related policies than some obscure regulation or tariff.
Simply to fill media with white noise and to prevent discussions of topics that are really matter.
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Because that’s what the elites want to distract us with and they want to turn the men into docile feminine easy to manipulate sheep
Every election, my mom's biggest topic for choosing a candidate is that they must be against abortion. I ask her why? How does whether someone else gets an abortion affect her personally? She is in her 70s. I'm like you aren't getting an abortion, I'm not getting an abortion, why do you care? Why is this her #1 topic, not something that would in some way affect her? She can't answer with any sensible reason, other than whatever was programmed into her at church that this is our nation's biggest issue. I suspect the same may be true of other religious boomers.
Body autonomy and autonomy in one's relationships are two of our most important freedoms.
The modern manifestation of this conflict began in the late 1980’s early 1990’s with the rise of the politicized christian conservatives. They had long been opposed to these policies (tolerance for homosexuals and abortion) and cultural norms and hegemony began to shift away from them. They politically organized to oppose these policies, and the opposite side counter organized to support them. The American electorate (idk about the rest of the west) is also generally not very sophisticated on other topics. Your average voter has no real strong, informed opinion on the structure of taxes or on the labor policies of the NLRB for example. These types of issues, homosexuality and abortion, are an easy target to go after to get votes for both sides, because they are more prominent in people’s individual lives and the sides and their implications are more clear.
From this, its not really a massive conspiracy, it's more so that people will never put their minds to something that doesn't immediately and obviously impact their lives... Right?
Health care immediately and obviously impacts our lives. So does sexuality.
It’s more that people will engage with something simple that *does* impact their lives. Like street-level liberalism is very important to a subset of Americans, and conservative Christian values are important to another subset, because they both engage with those every single day.
Because these issues divide the people roughly 50/50. It’s always divide and conquer here.
Yup! If everyone embraced free will and actually bound together for the American people and took back our power the elusive elites would not fair very well! Once you see it is not about a specific issue, hating another human for one reason or another, legislation , or even money it is about power and control it can’t be unseen!
It's more about combating government overreach. Even if a woman never plans on having an abortion, the fact that the government can mandate what they can do with their own bodies that would result in a massive change in their life is viewed as a massive overreach. Topic of homosexuality is very vague. Are you talking about like gay marriage? That's already legal in most Western countries. Same goes for civil protections as well.
They're not the most important, they are amongst the most divisive. Similar to gun control
They are religious-centric topics. The US is generally divided into Democrats and Republicans but the true divide is those who are Christians and those who aren’t. Can you believe we fought a whole war just to have another God cult pop up? I can lol
They are not. Politicians use it to rile up their bases and some organizations need it to be in the limelight to collect funds and be in "business".
Bro, because it makes people argue 😂.
Homosexuality we have kinda moved on from. Abortions are a big deal because a child can ruin your life or the life of the child. Personally my view is that if conservatives really didn’t want abortions they would have better access to bc and better education, but none of those things happen. Like my mother had an abortion but is very anti abortion and went to marches in the 70s to protest abortion, bht her abortion is different and doesn’t count.
Because they are Red Herrings. They are a great way to quickly check how programmed a person is.
It's just a distraction.
They generate the most clicks in social media algorithms. Plus, these are issues that can't be "solved". They will spark discussion for centuries and generate revenue for news outlets and talking points for politics.
You forgot war. The military industrial complex loves to harp on other countries borders while ignoring their own.
Yeah not even close. The most important issues right now, by far, are inflation, overall economy and jobs. Immigration, climate change etc...
I've also noticed the countries where the intelligence agencies run things have a pretty miserable population.
It's a way to divide us and create tension. Stay away from the mainstream media as it's all garbage to create FUD
Not just a West thing. The answer is organized religion and the people who interpret it. Religion has no place in politics or policy.
Well they are very important to people who live by certain spiritual ideologies. By the same token, like others have said...all of us need to realize that there is a bigger game being played against all of us by mostly non seen players that are pushing out agendas. It's bigger than the two pawns we see. What this really is is spiritual warfare at the highest level.
I’m from a western country and I also don’t get it
Every western country is different. In my country, the only reason those topics coming up at all is because we have an ageing population hell bent on doing as much damage as they can before they die. They're stupid picks who just want things to be like "The good old days" without realising A) Those days weren't good for everyone. B) Bringing back overt racism isn't going to make young people respect you.
Our news makes everything seem 100x worse than it actually is. It's all run by one company and fear mongering is a cash cow. Sorry we suck right now.
Someone might say that those are facets of an agenda that a specific group is pushing. Maybe the group might have religious ideologies that are directly opposed to a lifestyle where those things are an option. A group like this might use something like same sex marriage and abortions and equate those things to the destruction of the traditional family unit that has been sold to society for generations.
Wait! Homosexuals want abortions now?
They aren’t. As Americans we just have all of our priorities messed up and think that who can use what restroom and how can I have an abortion are important. Most of us don’t pay attention to how we give all of our money to other countries while leaving our own people to starve and be homeless and crazy. We think nationalism is wrong and being masculine is wrong and being feminine is wrong. If you are in another country I would say now is the time to take us over. We probably wouldn’t even put up much of a fight.
They aren't the most important topics, but they're designed to distract you from what *are* the most important topics. Manufactured divisiveness is a powerful tool to "govern" the masses.
The elitists oligarchs utilize wedge issues and identity politics to divide the masses. They'll never address the widening wealth disparity in America. Behind the illusion of choice in American politics lies the dictatorship of the corporate cartels.
Any issue that strikes to the heart of the problem is forbidden to speak of. It's like a division problem but the only non censored portion of the solution is the remainder. You don't take flak until you are over the target, and nobody is going to prison for saying Elvis is alive, or that UFOs are real.
Natalism. Human labor power is the source of all value so there are religious attempts to maximize reproduction.
Wedge issues that make for easy division distraction and diversion from actual issues that impact ALL. These aren’t the two main issues/topics but are certainly at the forefront of political talk. Culture war topics
Those in charge of media are to blame. They are aware of what they are doing.
They are not the most important topics. It's just that our shitty USA media uses these topics to further divide us. In my opinion, most regular folks are more concerned about the Economy, and the huge influx of illegals across our southern border.
I believe politicians and bureaucrats are distracting and dividing us so they can continue to tax us to death. I would say from “both sides of the aisle” but there really is only one party; Greed
Both topics are fund raising ploys. People run on emotion
Distract you from the real issues.
They aren’t. The media and a very small sliver of society pushes that narrative. Most people don’t even talk about those things in day to day life.
Division, in every possible way.
A large majority of the population here is raised in some form of christian church and so regularly values of the christian church are pandered to to foster a sense of nostalgia, trust, and unity with candidates. As for why they focus on those two issues, it has less to do with the church or theology and more to do with "moral decay" scares over the centuries which were pinned on each group respectively in different eras.
It’s not. The economy is much more important
the media tells the public what to think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
It’s a distraction from important topics, simple and plain.
They are not issues in Canada. We pretty much live and let live. Abortions are legal, people's sexuality isn't a big deal with most people here. Most of the bs in politics is to distract from the important things.
To keep people divided! If people started to come together, they would have a lot of power, which would be very dangerous for those in charge.
It’s not, probably like 10% in reality actually care. Media would have you believe the other way around. I literally don’t know one single person whose main concerns are those.
To divide us so we can’t unit against them
Neither are important political topics in UK. Both are fully accepted.
People who believe in talking snakes and 1000 year old humans and an underground fiery torture dungeon think they get to tell everyone else how to live. Their belief in a 2000 year old unoriginal mythology (stole all its best points from older mythologies) makes them feel morally superior to everyone else. This gives them a sense of entitlement and a mistaken belief that their delusions are authentic than reality. I have to laugh. Their invented messiah preached to love their neighbors and to not judge their neighbors and to not throw the first stone and to not be greedy or deceitful.... and they ignore all of that and proudly proclaim themselves as worshippers of Christ. Well, not his message or philosophy. Just him.
they arent even close to the most important thing, but the ultra-rich and cultural marxists are using wedge issues to divide people apart so they can steal all the money and power while people bicker over washrooms and drag queens
People that can't think for themselves are told this is why their lives suck. They want something to be angry and righteous about. I could go on but people that are willing to die on that hill are typically not possible to reason with.
Evangelicals used to run opposing civil rights as a wedge issue. When the civil rights act passed, they began pushing abortion as the primary wedge issue. When Roe v Wade was decided in 1973, 39% of Republicans and 35% of Democrats agreed it should be legal. Once evangelical christians started their crusade against abortion it become a big voting factor for conservatives in the USA. Then it got overturned so now it's a bigger issue for the left and liberals here.
depopulation, control and destroying masculinity to make harder to revolt agaisnt tyranny
Isn't the modern idea of 'masculinity' itself an oppressive technique peddled by the elite to keep working class men toiling at thankless, dangerous jobs under the guise of it being 'what real men do'?
How dare you oppose the status quo
Answering this question from a solely American point of view: Being pro abortion and accepting of homosexuality and people who live “alternative” lifestyles are traits common to those who vote for the Democrats party. Being anti-homosexuality, and pro-life are traits common for religious folks in the states. To get the religious people to vote for their party the Republicans push bills and overall just exert opinions that are against people who don’t live lives that are the “status-quo”. According to [this study from 2021](https://news.gallup.com/poll/358364/religious-americans.aspx) 68% of Americans claim that Christianity is the religion most Americans identify with. The Republican Party is stroking the religious cocks of the Christian morality so they will get more votes and win more elections. This is true because they know that most religious people only vote for whoever is anti-gay and whoever is anti-abortion even if it would be in their best interest to cote a different way. It’s important because it goes against their moral obligation to influence society to live how they think people should live. And anyone who doesn’t live like them is living in sin and going to hell. So if they can stop people from having abortions and being gay on the political level, therefore they stop more people from going to hell.
It’s to get blues mad and to get reds mad that the blues are mad , and for both to make fun of each other getting mad
Because Occupy Wall Street brought attention to the banking corruption. So they responded by distracting us with emotional topics to divide us.
I think it is due to a resurgence of religious fundamentalism. Opposition to both these things stems from deeply held religious views that had been thought to be on the decline, but now appear to have rallied somewhat and are on the rise again. Sorry, like you're 5: People say that God says that these things are bad, m'kay...
Google wedge issue strategy. A strategy developed by the Republican party to use culture issues to push voting blocks, especially Christian by convincing them that they needed to vote for them on moral grounds. This was done so they could enact unpopular policies that entrench the elite while maintaining votes from the people being hurt by those policies. This is why the US doesn't have universal healthcare.
Because people are under a psyop. Trained to consider unimportant things over important things. This way governments can get away to doing the important things criminally.
It's called divide and conquer. They get the population to fight amongst themselves so they cannot pilot their own government. Racism is an issue used for this too
Abortion and homosexuality are far from the most important issues. Most people are concerned with the economy and who would be a better president in terms of reducing inflation and making current wages more livable. The abortion/homosexuality issues are basically used as emotional pulls on less aware voters, as they essentially just don’t matter in the grand scheme of things, at least not to the extent that economic/militaristic issues may apply
They aren’t. It’s propaganda for the small minded. Real Americans know the real issues. Hyper inflation, zero border security, political corruption, drug trafficking/overdose deaths, and human trafficking and child sex crimes are just a few . They use hot button issues to fire people up. Our country is in deep shit real bad. Either we vote in good leadership or we fall as a nation. It’s scary.
Divide and conquer, is unfolding before our eyes. Use actors to distract the masses, make them fight against each other, while the corporations that controls the politicians and controls also every other small company, steal all there is left to steal, and change laws to do so. Small companies depending of corporation investments, do as they say(lgbbq×+÷/++) to push their political agendas or no money investment for them. If people dont start concentrating on the scammers and whos at the root of the problem, rather then this or thst, we will all fail. 2030 nwo is their goal.(communist china 2.0)
To give the peasants something to argue over and ignore all the shit governments are actually doing. Anything a politician says in public is for the cameras to provide talking points. The shit they do off camera is what we should be talking about and what we really should be voting on
It's used as a distraction. So most don't see what's really going on behind thr political curtains
Some flimflam man they pay a tenth of their earnings to sits on a pulpit every Sunday morning and convinces them the reason for all their hardships is that a supposedly benevolent all powerful entity loves us all so much that he is punishing everyone collectively for things he has weird sexual hangups about- and the way forward to prosperity is to just like... you know... not have those people around anymore. And if you're too chickenshit to do it yourself, why dont you all vote for this great godly man to rule the country and do it for you, so your hands are clean?
Republicans don't have policies that help the working class but need working class votes in order to win elections. So they focus on in/out groups and demonize them instead of focusing on policy. It's a misdirection. It was gay people who were going to destroy society in the 2000's. Never happened. Now that most Americans know gay people and understand they're just like everyone else, the right has to find another enemy. That's why they focus on trans people. States like Utah passed trans sports bans when there were literally only 1 or 2 trans people in a state of millions who the bill affected. The Right needs you to be afraid of some imagined enemy so workers don't unite and eradicate the ruling class. Same reason they demonize immigrants and blacks. Keeps people divided.
Because our asshat Democrats buy votes .. so they coddle anyone they can regardless
Because the lefts ideas on economics and foreign policy fail every single time so they need to focus on other things to have any chance of getting elected
I think the answer is religion. In other countries there is legislation in place to give rights to their citizens and then focus can be on other issues. In the US those subjects draw so much attention due to religion and therefore the legislation around these topics draws impassioned debate.
It's literally designed to turn people against each other
It’s the trendiest way to influence an Americans in finite culture that will eventually consume its self like an ouroboros. The elites use political agendas influence the west that these are matters of importance. But American’s are in debt, their dumb and their dying. It looks very much out of idiocracy!
I don’t think it’s a big issue, but I also don’t watch mainstream media. I’m more concerned about the illegal activity in the stock market, insider trading by our politicians, companies lobbying, censorship, all of the money we send overseas, the stagnant rise of wages versus the cost of living/inflation/housing, cost of college. The way the wealthy profited so much off of COVID. I am concerned about health care rights such as forced vaccines. Health issues being created and unleashed on us (Lyme, Covid).
It’s all about destroying the family and redirecting that loyalty to the State.
Gay is currently cool. But also they faced oppressed a few decades ago Women have died due to not being allowed to have abortions. And force birth is a great way to control women
Wedge issues created/adopted (to some extend) to create division.
They aren’t. It’s a very small minority of people, using a corrupt media, to make it look like the entire country is this way, but it is not. This is how the few attempts to control the many.
The mainstream likes to keep people distracted from the bigger topics like wars, on going wars and escalation. Alot of it’s smoke screen tactics to keep people asleep to as what they need to hear and need to learn. If people heard what they NEEDED to hear about this country and the things going on in it they would be shocked. People in the US I believe are softer than people in other countries and most of them haven’t had to go through anything like what’s going on in Ukraine and Gaza. I’m not talking about the feelings of the protesters I’m talking about the battle hardened men and women.
Because they seek to keep you distracted from what's really going on.
Clear star hit the nail on the head. Turn off the media and you will realize that is not who Americans really are, or what we stand for. We stand for God, Freedom, Family, Love and Health. I don’t care what sexual orientation you are or what life decisions people make , just love one another, accept people even if you don’t understand or agree with them and stop all the hate pouring out from your hearts.
America is getting more irreligious by the decade. Also, are you implying that if I support freedom, love, family, and health, I would be against those things? I support same- sex marriage and abortion, and support those other things.
To keep us distracted by bigger systemic, economic conditions, healthcare, climate, pollution, globalism, and so on.
It’s to distract stupid people from the skyrocketing cost of living. Normal, not chronically online people, are more worried about their grocery bill than gay butt sex or abortions. Hell, even people that like gay butt sex are more concerned about their grocery bill than anything else.
It's not a main topic to most Americans. It's only a problem to the religious extremists (Christianity has them too) that are infiltrating our government, and breaking our constitutional agreement of the separation of church and 'state'. They are also trying to force schools to display religious ideals in all classrooms in some states, and they are banning books that mention homosexuality in schools. To the non religious, it feels like the walls are caving in. (Just my take at least)
OP you should look up Arsenal love is love. A LBGT campaign from the gunners. LBGT is only a symbol of the free open world society in the west. The western world has a much higher human development index than i-e south Africa. Un-developed nations tend to lean towards Russia, Iran and China where LBGT is in many cases illegal.
State level culture is too different to have these things regulated on a higher level. A right implies (forced) medical cooperation with things like abortion and sex change etc.
Regarding women eagerly seeking abortions in the US: One in every five pregnancies ends in abortion. Is that not eager enough?
There’s a lot of those people in the west. In more disciplined countries in the east there are far less if any. It’s the culture that allows it.