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It should matter just as the post itself matters. Don't fall for their tricks.
*"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people."* **—George Washington**
*"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."* **-John Adams**
So Accurate. NATO Should NEVER Have Encroached On Russia’s Border. Probably Could Have Evaded A War. War Is Bad For Business. Just Watch Godfather Part 1.
Yes. Both having the contracts for anti-gravity flying machines. Part of the New World order and the breakaway civilization that owns it. One day soon they plan to run planet Earth from space. I remember when the book 1984 by George Orwell was mandatory reading in school. Now you can’t even find this book in a library. Because it’s the playbook for what’s going on today.
Listen to Jeffery Sachs if you want a real history lesson. The guy has forgotten more about this topic than anyone in this discussion will ever know. America wanted this to happen since the 90s.
It’s a little bit more complicated than that and both sides are guilty of breaking the Budapest and Minsk Memorandums.
The most ironic part being that the areas presently under Russian control has continuously for the past nearly 30 years said they don’t want to be part of Ukraine and want to be Independent and forge closer ties with Russia, so Ukraine is literally throwing their next generation into a meat grinder protecting the “freedom” of a community who doesn’t want them to.
But let’s not let facts get in the way of the narrative.
Why should joining a defence alliance that has a rule to not invade other countries be something any other country should be bothered by, unless of course the other country has ambitions to invade other countries?
I don't disagree with you, but you are throwing stones from a glass house. How many governments has the CIA overthrown in the name of freedom?
Two sides of the same coin, disregarding a country's sovereignty in favor of economic prosperity for the elites.
ah yes the democratically elected Russian stooge that was Putins personal bitch and gave Russia whatever free shit and concessions they wanted, against the will of the people of Ukraine, because he was a corrupt puppet of a leader that most Ukrainian people didn't want in charge.
But America is definitely bad for getting involved in other countries politics. They should just let Russia take over countries and do whatever they want with no repercussions.
Multiple international observers said the election was fair. America overthrew the government with the Nazi faction. There could have been a deal in March to April when the war as Americans know it started, but America blew up the peace deal. Don’t take my word for it. Take the former Israeli pm Bennett’s word for it. We cause war all over the world, but someone like you is too ignorant to see it.
It’s only been a few dozen countries and a couple attempted coups on America and one in Australia, and most likely assassinating a sitting president. It’s not like their former director became a president and then his son became president two terms later.
Not saying the US are always in the right but when was the last time the Americans went to war with hundreds of thousands of casualties in terms of Americans. The Americans were not right to to go Iraq or Vietnam.
The utter disregard Russia has for Russian life is appalling.
Well alrighty Russian propaghanda spreader or whatever the hell you are. Also, I’m Canadian, not American. Let me ask you why it’s not a huge deal that finland joining NATO at Russias borders is not a big deal but Ukraine joining it is? Possibly something to do with where mr Putin wants to invade. All of this is bull shit, Putin just wants the old USSR together and thinks there his, but that’s not how global politics work. The deals made before you do matter.
I think nato agreeing not to expand towards russia comes from one comment a NATO official made towards a Russian official. I don't believe it was an actual NATO promise. Also nobody has forced any of these countries to join NATO, maybe russia should ask themselves why so many are so keen to join.
At best case scenario let’s say you’re right and we don’t put a military base in Ukraine, everyone knows there will be missiles put in Ukraine pointing right at Moscow. Ukraine joining NATO has and always will be Russia’s red line. Putin didn’t decide this war on his own. It was always the oligarchs red line too. The war could have easily been avoided, but America said no. Former Israeli pm Bennett said he was very close to securing a deal before asshole Boris Johnson blew it up.
They are already here.
China is already buying up farmland. They are literally our neighbors already.
https://www.themainewire.com/2024/05/new-map-breaks-down-chinese-ownership-of-farmland-by-state/
Regan Verbally Promised This To Gorbachev. And Gorbachev was very pissed off when it started happening years later. After Reagan left office. I promises a promise, whether in writing or not. This is how gentleman do business legal or not. It’s the way it should be done. If you don’t want. And you want peace. And a good world economy.
President Reagan promised Gorbachev verbally that we would not allow NATO to encroach Russia. When Reagan was gone and other presidents took his place NATO began moving closer to Russia. When Gorbachev commented on this saying that he was promised no encroachment by President Reagan, the reply was “ That promise wasn’t in writing“. I do believe this is the actual circumstances on this. Either way, and no matter why, NATO should never have allowed buffer nations enrollment. That is, if you don’t want to create tensions and potentially start a war I’ll say it again. War is bad for business. Other than the business of war.
except he didn't. There wasn't even a verbal agreement, much less so from Reagan. I dare you to find any proof of Reagan making this promise. You won't find it.
This Was A Quote From Gorbachev directly. After his tenure in Russia, he made many comments. He said that Reagan took him aside privately and said “if we were attacked by aliens will you help us“. Gorbachev said yes. And then Reagan replied “Good we’ll help you too”. This is where I have heard these things. Not sure if you can find them on Google not naturally Google doesn’t show you everything that has happened in the world. It shows you what it shows you. But it one point listening to a show online I heard
Gorbachev speaking and these were his words.
Russian bot.
edit: after checking this guys comment history i’m fully convinced he’s some paid actor. Who posts this frequently but comments so rarely?
Seriously why do we need NATO at this point? Anyone can see Russia is not going to go all Hitler and take over Europe. America always needs a boogeyman to keep war and weapons sales going.
Russia was and still is a huge trade partner with Europe. Quit spewing the stupid shit they are going to take over Europe. Anyone with a brain knows Putin won’t. Quit watching the msm and you will get smarter. If Hannity and Maddow agree on something you know the story is really full of shit.
https://www.ft.com/content/15e7b892-c4f3-45b8-b375-80ef52e4b83c
The reason we know Russia is not going to go all Hitler and take over Europe is because of NATO. He's trying to take the smaller nations that are not part of NATO, if we were all independent Russia would try to gobble us upp one by one.
He went into Ukraine and Georgia due to security issues. If China was doing the same shit in Mexico or Canada we wouldn’t put up with their shit for a second. Get a clue.
Exactly. Many on this thread need their head examined. They have no concept of politics or negotiations. If you do the research on JFK and Khrushchev, then you will see we were in process of making peace with them. Kennedy created the first nuclear arms treaty with Khrushchev. He was also in the process of starting a joint moon mission with them. They were very advanced in space at this point. And it would have made a lasting peace with Russia. And strong economic ties. And if you extrapolate 40 years out, then you would see we would have ties to Russia and China would be the odd man out. Kennedy was also in the process of sharing top level UFO information with Russia. He was doing this to avoid nuclear war.
There were activities over nuclear sites that could have been classed as invasive. Invasive by Russia. And vice versa with them. Kennedy wanted to avert these problems. And felt that by both parties sharing information the world would be a safer place.
America died the day JFK was assassinated. If our government would do that, that means they will do anything to achieve ultimate power. Those who run America are the ultimate gangsters.
Another great comment here. America did die when JFK was assassinated. A coup de tait. Anyone who researches John Kennedy in full understands the amazing things that he had in the works. Taking away the oil depletion allowance from the oil barons. Lowering big steel prices so that America could build and not be reliant on foreign metal. Breaking apart the CIA. He had already fired John Dulles. He was making deals with Kruschev
That would have made a lasting peace with Russia and economic ties. this would have put China as the odd man out today. Kennedy created the first nuclear arms treaty. He understood that you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. This is why he started the Peace Core. You cannot beat the country by attacking them into submission. You only win by giving them something better than they already have. Like a good economy and a democracy. Kennedy understood this. And he was in process of removing America from the Vietnam war. He began to see That it was unwinnable. Even though we now have a lasting piece with Vietnam we would’ve been better off leaving. In the same way the French left Afghanistan. And that we should never have been there in the first place, but then again opium is good business and black projects need money.
PS : i’m not against black projects. I just don’t think they should be black. I think that all the great technology that we possess currently. That is 100 years beyond what people see now. Should be used for the good of the entire planet. His question. Why are we not using zero point energy. Why are we still on the oil paradigm?
And believe me we do currently possess zero point energy as well as anti-gravity technology. Why do you think that half of the UFOs that we see are our own craft ?
That was meant to read black projects should not be black. They should be used for the value of the planet. And not the select few who run the planet currently.
Also a correction. The question is why are we not using zero point energy currently. Lieutenant colonel Thomas Bearden does a good job explaining this technology.
Are You Nuts ???
Do you have the slightest clue how politics work. Read the above comment. If Russia took over Mexico, do you think for a minute America would sit idly by. would they not be pissed off beyond recognition. You need to read more.
you’ve commented multiple times in this thread with pretty much the same response:
• call opponent crazy
• tell them they know Jack about politics because they don’t agree
• ask them to “educate themselves
Clown
you comment every few minutes on some useless thread on Reddit.
before calling somebody else useless maybe look at what you choose to devote your obviously incredibly precious time to.
Sector. An excellent point. I was thinking the same thing in fact. Interesting reading, but much to do about nothing. I must’ve spent 40 minutes wasting my time on it. Although I enjoy Reddit and occasionally get value, I agree that it is an utter waste of time replying.
If time is the only currency we have, then I’m running broke on a negative deficit.
Also, do you know why "light blue" countries did want to join the nato? Because Russia was a fucking parasite between ww2 and early 90s, destroying intentionally every economy around them, my parent did not even have toilet paper. Those countries just did not want that corrupt crap (Russia) to infect them again.
Damn, you are dumb.
Of course, ain’t gonna argue with an obvious know-it-all, not my fuckquen business lmfao
How does it feel to be upvoted by an army of expert bots like you? Lmfao
Either you're pretending not to know why countries that border Russia applied to join a defensive alliance, or you know fuck all about European history. Or both.
Ronald Reagan verbally promised Gorbachev that this would not happen. And on Reagan’s watch it did not. Later on when NATO encroached and Gorbachev got pissed the comment back to him was “that was not in writing“. If politics are to work then a promise must be a promise.
Clearly, you have no idea on how to do politics. And because many others in government, Do Not, we are as close to war as we have been since World War II. governments need to cooperate more instead of seeing who has the biggest swinging dick. War is always on the table. Is always an option. But it should be a desperate last resort. If I was in Office then I would work a deal out between Russia and Ukraine. a deal that would work for all parties concerned including the free world. War is bad for the economy. And nuclear war is bad for peoples health. I would’ve appeased Russia with a deal stating no NATO on your border and you don’t invade Ukraine. I would’ve done thisin advance of firing bullets. If Russia did then go into Ukraine anyway, and break a treaty then the allied forces could certainly go in and support Ukraine. No one says that one of the large countries can’t start a war. They do it all the time.
Thanks for your patronizing tone!
Russia and Ukraine did have a deal. Ukraine gave all their Nukes to Russia and Russia promised not to invade. Russia is backsliding and invaded Belarus, Crimia, Donbas, Ukraine, and more. Continuing to appease Putin has a pretty modern corollary to Hitlers advances. It doesn’t work.
Thank God you are not in power. I don’t know your background but you either have been persuaded by Russian propaganda or aren’t knowledgeable on the subject. Or both.
Putin was and is constantly meddling in the affairs of the countries on the border of Russia because Putin does not consider the countries that were republics of the Soviet Union sovereign. He thinks they belong to him and that he can dictate what they can and can’t do.
Yes, they do. In truth we don’t have two parties. And we don’t have democracy. And it’s the highest levels I do believe the leaders of all countries, the true leaders and not the ones you see on poster boards, are in lock step. They all work together towards a common goal. Which is a one world government. And I’ll say again, I have no problem with a one world government. It’s who and how that concerns me. Will there be freedoms. Will we have some level of free will available to us. will we still have healthy competition so that people have the inclination to excel or will we be like the boneheads in Orwells 1984?
Yep, bingo mate.
The only thing you are missing is that it's the devil at the top. He's a deceiver of the whole world. All these sickos work for him.
Donald Trump is the Antichrist, which is why we are seeing all these wars right now. He's gonna swoop back in and strengthen the Abraham Accords which is the covenant with many that'll start the final 7 years.
Jesus is the only way through what's about to happen my friend.
If you are not going to affect or invade another country in anyway you dont mind even if they belong to the Galactic union. Russia created same kind of accuses of threat to Finland before it invaded in 1939. Now it seems to repeat but on bigger scale.
Except the nato treaty doesn't guarantee any assistance in the case of a nato country invading a non nato neighbor. It's solely a defensive agreement. However, I do appreciate that when the US invades anywhere our nato partners always send troops and equipment along with us.
Why would mexico wanna do that? The economic sanctions would abysmal, with no gain.
Furthermore it’s not necessary for them. Eastern european countries have a right to defend themselves against russia.
Everytime they were under russian rule, they got nothing biut misery, corruption and poverty.
What would mexico defend itself from? A USA that would march into mexican territory and seize some land, like russia did in georgia, in ukraine?
Rather unrealistic.
The people of ukraine were fed up and revolted against their own corrupt government. What is so hard to get here? Do you think CIA or whatever you are thinking can make hundreds of thousands of people go on the street to revolt?
In contrary to all the governments the CIA brought down by aiding in military coups, this one was driven by the people.
What is so hard to believe that people want a better live for themselves and their children? Russia means poverty, corruption and oppression. The west mean economic growth, democratic rules based life, social peace.
Why is it so hard that the ukrainian people fought because they want this as well?
And even if there was foreign "aid", don't yout think the ukrainians deserve such a good life, we in the west can enjoy?
> Meanwhile, the Ukrainian people are being slaughtered, in a war they cannot win. But, for some reason, liberals are okay with this.
The single reason why the ukrainians have to suffer, is russia, and russia alone.
"What would you say if a robber steals all your stuff but nay, not the robber is to blame, someone else is because they basically made the robber steal from you. The robber didn't even have a real choice but to steam from you. It's all the neighbour's fault, because he offered some help to install a security system in your house. And that is actually the reason why the robber broke into your house, BEFORE you could installt it."
This is the twisted logic you are following ...
If Russia or China put bases in Mexico, the U.S. absolutely would not invade Mexico to increase its territory.
And we did notice the Russian Navy. But notice what we didn’t do… right, we didn’t invade Cuba to increase US territory.
What a sad and pathetic false equivalence.
I call these guys Libtards. I was a huge supporter of JFK. But he was the last Democratic president that I had faith in. Once Clinton got into office things changed. LBJ sucked as well. Although Nixon did a lot to let the deep state take charge. As did ‘Poppy’ Bush. And LBJ. And I’m clearly no fan of the bush clan. CIA, All the way. There are pictures of him in Dallas although he denies being there. And when his name came up regarding the Kennedy thing, he said “It must’ve been another George Bush“. But in general, the woke liberals at this point in time are very dangerous to this country in the free world. I do believe they represent the New World order. And although I’m not against a One World government. I am reticent on who will be in charge of it and how they will rule things. It’s The who and how that worries me. And although both parties are quite corrupt. It’s the Democratic Libtards that scare me the most.
Nations freely deciding to petition for membership of an international coalition based on free association and self determination is not aggressive expansion. This map might be more of a smack down if all those places turned blue because of NATO invading its neighbours. Like Russia does, and has been doing for decades.
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Would you want to be part of a possible communost Russia again or would you try a dance with the new devil that has McDonald's and burger king and Micheal Jordan.
The states individually decided Russia could be a threat again, and joined ; NATO didnt invite anyone anywhere. Look at Sweden and Norway, what did NATO do besides accept a democratic decision to join?
Golly, would countries which share a border with a federation that is known for invading its neighbors have a vested interest in joining a military alliance?
NATO has no official document saying they wouldn't expand. Moreover, Putin has invaded, subverted, and corrupted multiple countries other than Ukraine. Georgia, Chechnia, Tajikistan, Syria, Central African Republic just to name a few are all areas where Russian forces have operated. This is blanket propaganda from Putin's perspective.
Or are we going to pretend Putin has the most benevolent of motives while sending hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens to their death while invading a sovereign nation? NATO is expanding for protection of its own territory because of Russian aggression. Not the other way around.
Except that NATO doesn’t invite any countries to join them, and don’t invade. It expanded by countries ASKING to join, and then going through years of reforms in order to get their business in order to be accepted.
This is well and good so long is it does not foment a war. Which in this case it probably has. And this is why countries need to negotiate with peace in mind. I don’t think that Putin would have went into Ukraine if they were talking in advance that would appease all sides. And there is always common ground. And all sides need to make concessions. War is bad for business.
You know that nations join willingly and are completely allowed to do so. Nato is not taking over countries and forcing them to join. Such a silly thing here.
Except they never agreed not to do this.If you referring to James Baker saying “not one inch eastward” to Gorbachev this referred to East Germany and German unification. To this day I believe no NATO bases have been built in East Germany. If you want to talk about broken deals look at the Budapest memorandum where Russia gave Ukraine security guarantees in exchange for them handing over their nuclear weapons (at the time the 3rd highest in the world). Russia recognised Ukraines independance in 1994 and Ukraines NATO status did not change before the invasion.
Why not look at Russias expansion in to Georgia Chechnya Transnistria and other areas? Countries can choose to join Europe or Russia. If you believe Russia has the right to invade Ukraine then you should be permitting of Europe invading Belarus. Its no wonder these countries want to join NATO with the threat of Russia
In all of my above comments, I probably sound like Joe Kennedy and appeaser of Nazi Germany and Hitler. But I am not I believe in peace first. Negotiations and cooperation always all sides making concessions. And if war needs to be made and waged, then it should be done in a grizzly fashion.
If you haven’t noticed yet the elites are desperate for a one world government, one world religion, one world currency. World war 3 will be their final war to make the masses turn around and want a one world government, they create the crisis, then they offer the solution. Ww3 has already been planned, and there’s no turning back
No they really aren't. The elites thing they are better than everyone else, including other elites. Does it seem like billionaires really cooperate with each other, let one get along?
Say somehow they managed to unite the world under one government. Then what? A single economy. How do you oppress other governments and subjugate anyone at that point? They establish this to what end? It ends the game they all play. Ultimately it would result in basically what we have now with a broad planet wide federal government.
My point is for those that truly seek power. What are they going to do when they hit their level cap? Without any struggle the game ceases to be entertaining.
Honestly please study the elite. This is what they have always wanted, this is what the illuminati has always wanted, a new world order, once the people commit to one world government then they are in control. Mass depopulation, mass surveillance, mass sterilisation through vaccines, mass confining of space, mass getting everyone chipped. Their ultimate game is control.
They worship nimrod, the bloke who built the Tower of Babel, the only other time when humanity was United, they tried to build a tower that would reach to the heavens to overthrow God. The whole idea of a one world is satanic. Honestly this is what they believe they are maniacs
How does one study the elites then. The tower of babbel is an allegory. It's a story that didn't happen meant to teach a moral lesson. There isn't even enougn information from that time period to write much more than a paragraph about the guy who tried to build it. Provided he even existed at all.
I absolutely disagree though. What happens when someone wins a game of Risk and conquers the whole planet? The game ends because there is now nothing more to do for those that seek conquests.
Plus there is zero chance that all or most of the world's richest narcissist and out of touch with reality folk could or would agree on a religion or a God when most feel like they are close to being one themselves.
Yes, I'm aware that they do that weird ass retreat where they supposedly worship molloch or whatever his name is. But, consider this...say burning man was a super exclusive invite only kind if gathering. Lots of secrecy and nobody talks about what they do there. All we know is they burn an enormous effigy of a man at the end of it and there is lots of dirty sandy desert sex....that actually sounds and looks more like a cult gathering than burning an owl effigy on California with some rich folks there.
Nothing without transparency is what we assume it is. We can usually only speculate and the human mind tends to want to see patterns and signs that aren't necessarily there and coincidences as signs.
Now I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong. I don't know. We are both speculating just to different conclusions.
Yes fair play brother, like you said we can’t be sure we are 100% right, only time will tell.
But I would say this about the religion bit . I believe the one world religion they want is the new age religion, it acknowledges all the gods as ways to enlightenment and most young people these days are completely into it, all the astrology and crystals and that. Honestly it’s pure satanic and it denies Christ Jesus, who I believe to be God. And it’s so mainstream these days
That's fair. I appreciate that you and i at least can find common ground even if we don't agree. Remember, in the Torah God tells Moses that he is not the only God. But, the one above all others. So, if you believe in this type of thing there are a multitude of lesser gods that would he considered to be false idols one could worship. Even though the Egyptian high priests couldn't stop or reverse the plagues they were powerful enough to counter them in the area directly around the Pharoah.
So if they do exist they aren't without significant powers of their own and shouldn't be f'd with. Modern Christianity has a habit of acting like there is only one God when they should remember there is one God above all others instead. By acting like they never existed ppl forget why they are to he avoided.
Much the same thing they did to romanticize angels. Angels may protect you but they don't do it defensively. They do it by killing anyone trying to harm you. The Hebrew word for angel is Satan. Pronounced Seh-tan. It sort of translates to "the great adversary" or "the great foe". Seeing an angel means you are about to be murdered. It's why lots wife turned to salt when she looked back at Sodom and Gamora. She saw Michael.
Sorry I went way off topic on a tangent when all I wanted to say was thank you for the discussion. We don't agree but,unlike most ppl today you didn't get angry or insult anybody. You listened and thoughtfully replied which is how discussion is supposed to work.
Shalom my friend.
Right if the Egyptian gods were able to counter the will of God, even minimally then we have to assume that the gods of every ancient area, religion, or peoples could plausibly exist and have similar powers.
The devil was created to be nearly as beautiful as God and therefore nearly as powerful. Which makes me think God isn't entirely omnipotent. At least he can't see the future. If he could there would be no reason to create him as he'd know the outcome. He wouldn't needs to torture job because he would know the outcome. Somehow the idea of free will keeps him trapped by some linearly just like we are.
But, I'm not a religious person at all. I simply find these ponderings interests to think about. For what it's worth. I hope you are right and you get to rest alongside your God someday.
And why is a one word government the boogie man to yall? You know that would ultimately end wars, bring about laws that would offer more freedom to those that live in tyrannical countries, ect. You understand that a world unified would bring our civilization to the next step, and help us protect this planet, while making space travel to other places much easier.
I always think about the old republic in star wars. Each planet sends a representative to vote for the entire planet. Because every planet basically has a single governing entity. It worked for star wars...until the greedy trade federation got involved.
Although using a science fiction movie is a bit odd, they have actually predicted a few things in a way. Regardless, I can actually see what you mean in a way. Or like in Star Trek as well. Corruption is possible at any level of technological advancement.
I get that this is like a conspiracy club, but some of the things people assume will be guaranteed to happen with a one world government is batshit crazy, and some things that are said happen regardless of how many governing bodies there are.
Yeah I agree. I know it was a bit if an odd analogy. But it was something I noticed when I watched the older new star wars trilogy. Which I think was episodes 1-3?¿?
What I find interesting is how adamant ppl are about their preferred conspiracy theory being 100% correct. If we knew with absolute certainty it wouldn't be a conspiracy, it'd just be facts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely as they say. I like to think that as technology advances it would provide less opportunity for corruption. But, it'll likely actually allow much more control of the masses and enable unrestricted corruption only at the highest levels.
As soon as they get their one world government, your freedoms are OVER. You will not be able to travel anywhere, they will confine you to one space like cattle, 15 minute cities. You will be chipped and anyone who is not chipped won’t be able to buy or sell. You will be forced inoculated. Anyone who does not participate in society will be killed. You will be watched by surveillance everywhere you go without even knowing it. YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY, said by klaus schwab himself. They want us all to die honestly
This is the truest comment yet. And Klaus Schwab and George Soros are total criminals. Read 1984 and you’ll understand the playbook. People will be herded into smart cities. They will be chipped and money will become digital. Inoculations of all kinds that will limit humanity will be common place. And I consider this to be quite a shame. And certainly against anything considered spiritual or anything that works in conjunction with Darwin‘s theory of evolution. Very sad but very true. And it’s going on now and nearing the end stages. I am not against a one world government. Done as a Cooperative. With an ironclad Constitution and Bill of Rights. The worry I have is who will run things and how will they be run. Human beings are generally greedy and corrupt if left to their own devices. Not all but the ones that seek power.
The question is who will run it. And how will it be run. And the government behind the government is already 100 years in advance of what you’re seeing technologically. We are already well into space. We have already conquered gravity with anti-gravity flight. Look up torsion physics. Plasma with discs above and below spinning in opposite directions. 100 years ago Nicola Tesla was working with over unity energy. He rediscovered it. He did not discover it. But we have it and yet we still keep the oil paradigm. Ask yourself why. And if you don’t think the deals have been made at the highest planetary levels with off world species then you should “guess again“. Because you can be sure all this and more is true. So if you’ve seen a UFO, there’s a 50-50 chance that it was ours.
If you want more proof, then look up Ben Bradley‘s comment on our space technology. He ran Lockheed Martin skunk works. It’s on the record that he stated “we now have the technology to go anywhere in space and take ET home. And if you want information on over unity energy, or zero point energy. Then look up Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Bearden. then you’ll be qualified to comment
There is a plan in the works for a One World government. It’s not in the public knowledge, but it is being discussed at the highest levels. And I agree with a One World government. What I do not agree with is who will run it and how it will be run, it surely will not be run based on the American Constitution. And the American Bill of Rights. And this is a concern. Who will run things, and how will things be run. This is the question to ask.
Well if Eastern Europe wouldn't join NATO and western sphere of influence it would share the same fate as Ukraine or had ally with China. Maybe this is not such a bad idea EU is finished and USA is declining superpower. Russia is not real power or enemy for the West but China is.
That seems to be exactly what's happening as a result of this war no? EU countries across the board are exploring and implementing alternatives to relying on Russian energy.
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What about Ukraine giving up nukes in exchange for Russia not invading?
Hey that doesnt matter here!
It should matter just as the post itself matters. Don't fall for their tricks. *"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people."* **—George Washington** *"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."* **-John Adams**
So Accurate. NATO Should NEVER Have Encroached On Russia’s Border. Probably Could Have Evaded A War. War Is Bad For Business. Just Watch Godfather Part 1.
War is bad for us, good for Boeing and Lockheed Martin.
Yes. Both having the contracts for anti-gravity flying machines. Part of the New World order and the breakaway civilization that owns it. One day soon they plan to run planet Earth from space. I remember when the book 1984 by George Orwell was mandatory reading in school. Now you can’t even find this book in a library. Because it’s the playbook for what’s going on today.
Now thats the conspiracy shit I’m down for
And Ben Bradley, who ran skunk works, made an on the record comment that we already have intergalactic space travel, and can “take ET home”.
it doesn't matter because US changed the situation
Hey get rid of your deterrents and I won't invade. "OK done" gets invaded. Is surprised. So fucking dumb.
You beat me to it. Russia did not keep any of its promises, EVER. So…they did it to themselves.
Listen to Jeffery Sachs if you want a real history lesson. The guy has forgotten more about this topic than anyone in this discussion will ever know. America wanted this to happen since the 90s.
That was a promise by the USA and the UK
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb Signed by US, GB, Ukraine, and Russia
Yeah, but USA and UK were supposed to protect Ukraine, not just send weapons and let them fight on their own.
This is exactly what uk and usa wanted Slavs killing Slavs
It’s a little bit more complicated than that and both sides are guilty of breaking the Budapest and Minsk Memorandums. The most ironic part being that the areas presently under Russian control has continuously for the past nearly 30 years said they don’t want to be part of Ukraine and want to be Independent and forge closer ties with Russia, so Ukraine is literally throwing their next generation into a meat grinder protecting the “freedom” of a community who doesn’t want them to. But let’s not let facts get in the way of the narrative.
That was dumb on them. You could argue that was some for this exact reason. Now nato has a responsibility to protect them.
This is what victory looks like, if the Soviet Union won the Cold War the Warsaw Pact would definitely expand westward.
The Cold War never ended. It just idled for a while.
Probably True.
Why should joining a defence alliance that has a rule to not invade other countries be something any other country should be bothered by, unless of course the other country has ambitions to invade other countries?
Right and Russia invaded. Why didn't they let Russia join?
I don't disagree with you, but you are throwing stones from a glass house. How many governments has the CIA overthrown in the name of freedom? Two sides of the same coin, disregarding a country's sovereignty in favor of economic prosperity for the elites.
The CIA helped overthrow the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014.
ah yes the democratically elected Russian stooge that was Putins personal bitch and gave Russia whatever free shit and concessions they wanted, against the will of the people of Ukraine, because he was a corrupt puppet of a leader that most Ukrainian people didn't want in charge. But America is definitely bad for getting involved in other countries politics. They should just let Russia take over countries and do whatever they want with no repercussions.
Multiple international observers said the election was fair. America overthrew the government with the Nazi faction. There could have been a deal in March to April when the war as Americans know it started, but America blew up the peace deal. Don’t take my word for it. Take the former Israeli pm Bennett’s word for it. We cause war all over the world, but someone like you is too ignorant to see it.
Sorry Guy. My post at you was meant for other. YOU… I Agree With, Nearly 100%. Just remember, 60% of the time it works all the time. I love that one.
It’s only been a few dozen countries and a couple attempted coups on America and one in Australia, and most likely assassinating a sitting president. It’s not like their former director became a president and then his son became president two terms later.
Not saying the US are always in the right but when was the last time the Americans went to war with hundreds of thousands of casualties in terms of Americans. The Americans were not right to to go Iraq or Vietnam. The utter disregard Russia has for Russian life is appalling.
R U NUTS. Look At Your History. Specifically The Cuban Missile Crisis. You Need To Read Or Learn To.
Well alrighty Russian propaghanda spreader or whatever the hell you are. Also, I’m Canadian, not American. Let me ask you why it’s not a huge deal that finland joining NATO at Russias borders is not a big deal but Ukraine joining it is? Possibly something to do with where mr Putin wants to invade. All of this is bull shit, Putin just wants the old USSR together and thinks there his, but that’s not how global politics work. The deals made before you do matter.
It must be sad to be you. I feel sorry for your brain. It must be lonely up there because there’s nothing up there.
I think nato agreeing not to expand towards russia comes from one comment a NATO official made towards a Russian official. I don't believe it was an actual NATO promise. Also nobody has forced any of these countries to join NATO, maybe russia should ask themselves why so many are so keen to join.
If China cozies up to Mexico more and sets up a military base there are you cool with it?
Who is building military base in Ukraine?! Being in NATO doesn't automatically mean building military bases. In Slovakia there is no NATO base.
At best case scenario let’s say you’re right and we don’t put a military base in Ukraine, everyone knows there will be missiles put in Ukraine pointing right at Moscow. Ukraine joining NATO has and always will be Russia’s red line. Putin didn’t decide this war on his own. It was always the oligarchs red line too. The war could have easily been avoided, but America said no. Former Israeli pm Bennett said he was very close to securing a deal before asshole Boris Johnson blew it up.
They are already here. China is already buying up farmland. They are literally our neighbors already. https://www.themainewire.com/2024/05/new-map-breaks-down-chinese-ownership-of-farmland-by-state/
Is America invading Mexico?
You’re very dense.
Correct no such agreement or promise has ever been made by nato in any official fashion. Yet you hear all the time about this made up agreement
Regan Verbally Promised This To Gorbachev. And Gorbachev was very pissed off when it started happening years later. After Reagan left office. I promises a promise, whether in writing or not. This is how gentleman do business legal or not. It’s the way it should be done. If you don’t want. And you want peace. And a good world economy.
President Reagan promised Gorbachev verbally that we would not allow NATO to encroach Russia. When Reagan was gone and other presidents took his place NATO began moving closer to Russia. When Gorbachev commented on this saying that he was promised no encroachment by President Reagan, the reply was “ That promise wasn’t in writing“. I do believe this is the actual circumstances on this. Either way, and no matter why, NATO should never have allowed buffer nations enrollment. That is, if you don’t want to create tensions and potentially start a war I’ll say it again. War is bad for business. Other than the business of war.
except he didn't. There wasn't even a verbal agreement, much less so from Reagan. I dare you to find any proof of Reagan making this promise. You won't find it.
This Was A Quote From Gorbachev directly. After his tenure in Russia, he made many comments. He said that Reagan took him aside privately and said “if we were attacked by aliens will you help us“. Gorbachev said yes. And then Reagan replied “Good we’ll help you too”. This is where I have heard these things. Not sure if you can find them on Google not naturally Google doesn’t show you everything that has happened in the world. It shows you what it shows you. But it one point listening to a show online I heard Gorbachev speaking and these were his words.
provide links.
You do realize that Russia needs to be light blue on this map? Russia is part of Partnership for Peace.
Lmao. Tell ukraine and the Chechens
Their current actions don't reflect the membership, just pointing out that this post is full of BS.
"This post is full of BS" Isn't that the whole point of the sub?
Their current actions don't reflect the membership Then why even bring it up, comrade?
Because this post presents the PfP as NATO encroaching on poor old Russia.
Just like Palestine..
Russian bot. edit: after checking this guys comment history i’m fully convinced he’s some paid actor. Who posts this frequently but comments so rarely?
Are you crazy. Go back to your Cuban missile crisis. And then you will understand politics. Keeping the peace should be paramount.
Go and live in russia then.
Nations willingly joining NATO, often to discourage attacks specifically from Russia is a problem, how?
Because OP guzzles propaganda yet probably calls themselves a "free thinker"
Some. Others, like Yugoslavia, get bombed by NATO until the country collapses.
Yes they shouldve let serbs massacre everyone en masse 👍
Seriously why do we need NATO at this point? Anyone can see Russia is not going to go all Hitler and take over Europe. America always needs a boogeyman to keep war and weapons sales going.
Are you high or a Russian bot?
Russia was and still is a huge trade partner with Europe. Quit spewing the stupid shit they are going to take over Europe. Anyone with a brain knows Putin won’t. Quit watching the msm and you will get smarter. If Hannity and Maddow agree on something you know the story is really full of shit. https://www.ft.com/content/15e7b892-c4f3-45b8-b375-80ef52e4b83c
Got it, Russian bot.
The reason we know Russia is not going to go all Hitler and take over Europe is because of NATO. He's trying to take the smaller nations that are not part of NATO, if we were all independent Russia would try to gobble us upp one by one.
He went into Ukraine and Georgia due to security issues. If China was doing the same shit in Mexico or Canada we wouldn’t put up with their shit for a second. Get a clue.
Exactly. Many on this thread need their head examined. They have no concept of politics or negotiations. If you do the research on JFK and Khrushchev, then you will see we were in process of making peace with them. Kennedy created the first nuclear arms treaty with Khrushchev. He was also in the process of starting a joint moon mission with them. They were very advanced in space at this point. And it would have made a lasting peace with Russia. And strong economic ties. And if you extrapolate 40 years out, then you would see we would have ties to Russia and China would be the odd man out. Kennedy was also in the process of sharing top level UFO information with Russia. He was doing this to avoid nuclear war. There were activities over nuclear sites that could have been classed as invasive. Invasive by Russia. And vice versa with them. Kennedy wanted to avert these problems. And felt that by both parties sharing information the world would be a safer place.
America died the day JFK was assassinated. If our government would do that, that means they will do anything to achieve ultimate power. Those who run America are the ultimate gangsters.
Another great comment here. America did die when JFK was assassinated. A coup de tait. Anyone who researches John Kennedy in full understands the amazing things that he had in the works. Taking away the oil depletion allowance from the oil barons. Lowering big steel prices so that America could build and not be reliant on foreign metal. Breaking apart the CIA. He had already fired John Dulles. He was making deals with Kruschev That would have made a lasting peace with Russia and economic ties. this would have put China as the odd man out today. Kennedy created the first nuclear arms treaty. He understood that you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. This is why he started the Peace Core. You cannot beat the country by attacking them into submission. You only win by giving them something better than they already have. Like a good economy and a democracy. Kennedy understood this. And he was in process of removing America from the Vietnam war. He began to see That it was unwinnable. Even though we now have a lasting piece with Vietnam we would’ve been better off leaving. In the same way the French left Afghanistan. And that we should never have been there in the first place, but then again opium is good business and black projects need money. PS : i’m not against black projects. I just don’t think they should be black. I think that all the great technology that we possess currently. That is 100 years beyond what people see now. Should be used for the good of the entire planet. His question. Why are we not using zero point energy. Why are we still on the oil paradigm? And believe me we do currently possess zero point energy as well as anti-gravity technology. Why do you think that half of the UFOs that we see are our own craft ?
That was meant to read black projects should not be black. They should be used for the value of the planet. And not the select few who run the planet currently.
Also a correction. The question is why are we not using zero point energy currently. Lieutenant colonel Thomas Bearden does a good job explaining this technology.
Sad But True. There is a global battle going on for the ultimate control of planet earth. War is part of the protocol. Good for them, but not for us.
Are You Nuts ??? Do you have the slightest clue how politics work. Read the above comment. If Russia took over Mexico, do you think for a minute America would sit idly by. would they not be pissed off beyond recognition. You need to read more.
you’ve commented multiple times in this thread with pretty much the same response: • call opponent crazy • tell them they know Jack about politics because they don’t agree • ask them to “educate themselves Clown
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you comment every few minutes on some useless thread on Reddit. before calling somebody else useless maybe look at what you choose to devote your obviously incredibly precious time to.
Sector. An excellent point. I was thinking the same thing in fact. Interesting reading, but much to do about nothing. I must’ve spent 40 minutes wasting my time on it. Although I enjoy Reddit and occasionally get value, I agree that it is an utter waste of time replying. If time is the only currency we have, then I’m running broke on a negative deficit.
I feel like Russia would loose to Mexico 😂
Yeah, and what Russia agreed not to do and did anyways?
Also, do you know why "light blue" countries did want to join the nato? Because Russia was a fucking parasite between ww2 and early 90s, destroying intentionally every economy around them, my parent did not even have toilet paper. Those countries just did not want that corrupt crap (Russia) to infect them again. Damn, you are dumb.
I see you’re an expert on international affairs, particularly East-west relations. What postgrad school did you go to?
All you had to do was just to live through those times, in that regions.
Oh yeah, that does makes you a fuckquen expert lmfao
Shut up dork 🤓
Of course, ain’t gonna argue with an obvious know-it-all, not my fuckquen business lmfao How does it feel to be upvoted by an army of expert bots like you? Lmfao
Whatever helps you sleep at night baby girl
Awww thanks for being so concerned and loving lmfao
Either you're pretending not to know why countries that border Russia applied to join a defensive alliance, or you know fuck all about European history. Or both.
NATO never promised that they wouldn’t expand stop being stupid
Exactly, they won't force expansion, but if countries want to join, they are free to do so.
Someone's big mad at nato 🤡
You burned this account you Russian shill.
Ronald Reagan verbally promised Gorbachev that this would not happen. And on Reagan’s watch it did not. Later on when NATO encroached and Gorbachev got pissed the comment back to him was “that was not in writing“. If politics are to work then a promise must be a promise.
Clearly, you have no idea on how to do politics. And because many others in government, Do Not, we are as close to war as we have been since World War II. governments need to cooperate more instead of seeing who has the biggest swinging dick. War is always on the table. Is always an option. But it should be a desperate last resort. If I was in Office then I would work a deal out between Russia and Ukraine. a deal that would work for all parties concerned including the free world. War is bad for the economy. And nuclear war is bad for peoples health. I would’ve appeased Russia with a deal stating no NATO on your border and you don’t invade Ukraine. I would’ve done thisin advance of firing bullets. If Russia did then go into Ukraine anyway, and break a treaty then the allied forces could certainly go in and support Ukraine. No one says that one of the large countries can’t start a war. They do it all the time.
Thanks for your patronizing tone! Russia and Ukraine did have a deal. Ukraine gave all their Nukes to Russia and Russia promised not to invade. Russia is backsliding and invaded Belarus, Crimia, Donbas, Ukraine, and more. Continuing to appease Putin has a pretty modern corollary to Hitlers advances. It doesn’t work. Thank God you are not in power. I don’t know your background but you either have been persuaded by Russian propaganda or aren’t knowledgeable on the subject. Or both.
Putin was and is constantly meddling in the affairs of the countries on the border of Russia because Putin does not consider the countries that were republics of the Soviet Union sovereign. He thinks they belong to him and that he can dictate what they can and can’t do.
Wait until you realise they all work together. **ALL** OF THEM.
Yes, they do. In truth we don’t have two parties. And we don’t have democracy. And it’s the highest levels I do believe the leaders of all countries, the true leaders and not the ones you see on poster boards, are in lock step. They all work together towards a common goal. Which is a one world government. And I’ll say again, I have no problem with a one world government. It’s who and how that concerns me. Will there be freedoms. Will we have some level of free will available to us. will we still have healthy competition so that people have the inclination to excel or will we be like the boneheads in Orwells 1984?
Yep, bingo mate. The only thing you are missing is that it's the devil at the top. He's a deceiver of the whole world. All these sickos work for him. Donald Trump is the Antichrist, which is why we are seeing all these wars right now. He's gonna swoop back in and strengthen the Abraham Accords which is the covenant with many that'll start the final 7 years. Jesus is the only way through what's about to happen my friend.
If Russia really was peaceful nation it would not matter to them but clearly Putin have his own evil vision.
What kinda fucked up logic is that? You can be peaceful until you're surrounded and being overtaken
If you are not going to affect or invade another country in anyway you dont mind even if they belong to the Galactic union. Russia created same kind of accuses of threat to Finland before it invaded in 1939. Now it seems to repeat but on bigger scale.
Reminder that every country can make the independent choice of joining the Nato.
We need more NATO countries. Containment of Russia is important.
Ok, Boris.
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Except the nato treaty doesn't guarantee any assistance in the case of a nato country invading a non nato neighbor. It's solely a defensive agreement. However, I do appreciate that when the US invades anywhere our nato partners always send troops and equipment along with us.
Why would mexico wanna do that? The economic sanctions would abysmal, with no gain. Furthermore it’s not necessary for them. Eastern european countries have a right to defend themselves against russia. Everytime they were under russian rule, they got nothing biut misery, corruption and poverty.
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What would mexico defend itself from? A USA that would march into mexican territory and seize some land, like russia did in georgia, in ukraine? Rather unrealistic. The people of ukraine were fed up and revolted against their own corrupt government. What is so hard to get here? Do you think CIA or whatever you are thinking can make hundreds of thousands of people go on the street to revolt? In contrary to all the governments the CIA brought down by aiding in military coups, this one was driven by the people. What is so hard to believe that people want a better live for themselves and their children? Russia means poverty, corruption and oppression. The west mean economic growth, democratic rules based life, social peace. Why is it so hard that the ukrainian people fought because they want this as well? And even if there was foreign "aid", don't yout think the ukrainians deserve such a good life, we in the west can enjoy? > Meanwhile, the Ukrainian people are being slaughtered, in a war they cannot win. But, for some reason, liberals are okay with this. The single reason why the ukrainians have to suffer, is russia, and russia alone. "What would you say if a robber steals all your stuff but nay, not the robber is to blame, someone else is because they basically made the robber steal from you. The robber didn't even have a real choice but to steam from you. It's all the neighbour's fault, because he offered some help to install a security system in your house. And that is actually the reason why the robber broke into your house, BEFORE you could installt it." This is the twisted logic you are following ...
If Russia or China put bases in Mexico, the U.S. absolutely would not invade Mexico to increase its territory. And we did notice the Russian Navy. But notice what we didn’t do… right, we didn’t invade Cuba to increase US territory. What a sad and pathetic false equivalence.
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Ad hominem fallacy. False Equivalency fallacy. Do you have anything to say that isn’t a logical fallacy?
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I’ll take that as a no.
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That you can’t make a point without using logical fallacies? Yeah, I got that.
I call these guys Libtards. I was a huge supporter of JFK. But he was the last Democratic president that I had faith in. Once Clinton got into office things changed. LBJ sucked as well. Although Nixon did a lot to let the deep state take charge. As did ‘Poppy’ Bush. And LBJ. And I’m clearly no fan of the bush clan. CIA, All the way. There are pictures of him in Dallas although he denies being there. And when his name came up regarding the Kennedy thing, he said “It must’ve been another George Bush“. But in general, the woke liberals at this point in time are very dangerous to this country in the free world. I do believe they represent the New World order. And although I’m not against a One World government. I am reticent on who will be in charge of it and how they will rule things. It’s The who and how that worries me. And although both parties are quite corrupt. It’s the Democratic Libtards that scare me the most.
Imagine cock riding Russia. NATO gang
Yes how dare these nations seek to protect themselves from Russia.
Nations freely deciding to petition for membership of an international coalition based on free association and self determination is not aggressive expansion. This map might be more of a smack down if all those places turned blue because of NATO invading its neighbours. Like Russia does, and has been doing for decades.
Neocons in the state department. Americans break every agreement they sign. American hegemony. Hypocrites. Putin warned you.
*Putin* warned them? Was that before or after he bombed the hospitals?
Before
He’s out of line. We’re out of line. Everyone’s out of line. I blame them all.
Very True. Putin’s a louse. And so are we.
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Would you want to be part of a possible communost Russia again or would you try a dance with the new devil that has McDonald's and burger king and Micheal Jordan.
at 22 seconds it looks like a blue crab fighting a red turtle
Why not let Russia into NATO?
I don’t know why it even exists anymore.
REMINDER OF NAZI RUZZIA DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY AGREED NOT TO DO # 1 BUDAPEST AGREEMENT - 1994 # 2 MINSK AGREEMENT - 2014
The states individually decided Russia could be a threat again, and joined ; NATO didnt invite anyone anywhere. Look at Sweden and Norway, what did NATO do besides accept a democratic decision to join?
Could you link a document where NATO agreed 'not to do' pls?
Golly, would countries which share a border with a federation that is known for invading its neighbors have a vested interest in joining a military alliance?
U realize countries voluntarily joined NATO? Its their sovereign right to do so.
How dare you point out the real reason for the Russia/Ukraine conflict. That's a threat to democracy lol.
NATO has no official document saying they wouldn't expand. Moreover, Putin has invaded, subverted, and corrupted multiple countries other than Ukraine. Georgia, Chechnia, Tajikistan, Syria, Central African Republic just to name a few are all areas where Russian forces have operated. This is blanket propaganda from Putin's perspective. Or are we going to pretend Putin has the most benevolent of motives while sending hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens to their death while invading a sovereign nation? NATO is expanding for protection of its own territory because of Russian aggression. Not the other way around.
There was never an agreement
When was this agreement made? Who signed it?
Except that NATO doesn’t invite any countries to join them, and don’t invade. It expanded by countries ASKING to join, and then going through years of reforms in order to get their business in order to be accepted.
Not to mention the fact the Belarus is not a potential applicant.
This is well and good so long is it does not foment a war. Which in this case it probably has. And this is why countries need to negotiate with peace in mind. I don’t think that Putin would have went into Ukraine if they were talking in advance that would appease all sides. And there is always common ground. And all sides need to make concessions. War is bad for business.
You know that nations join willingly and are completely allowed to do so. Nato is not taking over countries and forcing them to join. Such a silly thing here.
Are there really people in here that are against this happening? If so, why?
It must be a day that ends in Y because here’s another pro-Russia post. It’s like you aren’t even trying, comrade.
Except they never agreed not to do this.If you referring to James Baker saying “not one inch eastward” to Gorbachev this referred to East Germany and German unification. To this day I believe no NATO bases have been built in East Germany. If you want to talk about broken deals look at the Budapest memorandum where Russia gave Ukraine security guarantees in exchange for them handing over their nuclear weapons (at the time the 3rd highest in the world). Russia recognised Ukraines independance in 1994 and Ukraines NATO status did not change before the invasion. Why not look at Russias expansion in to Georgia Chechnya Transnistria and other areas? Countries can choose to join Europe or Russia. If you believe Russia has the right to invade Ukraine then you should be permitting of Europe invading Belarus. Its no wonder these countries want to join NATO with the threat of Russia
In all of my above comments, I probably sound like Joe Kennedy and appeaser of Nazi Germany and Hitler. But I am not I believe in peace first. Negotiations and cooperation always all sides making concessions. And if war needs to be made and waged, then it should be done in a grizzly fashion.
NATO, the UN, the EU, can all go to hell!!!! To hell with their attempts at a one world government
Someone needs to go to the Jelly School
Schwab, is this you, brah?
If you haven’t noticed yet the elites are desperate for a one world government, one world religion, one world currency. World war 3 will be their final war to make the masses turn around and want a one world government, they create the crisis, then they offer the solution. Ww3 has already been planned, and there’s no turning back
Thats not plausible. Fun to think about. You think theyre going to share an economy with Africa?
No they really aren't. The elites thing they are better than everyone else, including other elites. Does it seem like billionaires really cooperate with each other, let one get along? Say somehow they managed to unite the world under one government. Then what? A single economy. How do you oppress other governments and subjugate anyone at that point? They establish this to what end? It ends the game they all play. Ultimately it would result in basically what we have now with a broad planet wide federal government. My point is for those that truly seek power. What are they going to do when they hit their level cap? Without any struggle the game ceases to be entertaining.
Honestly please study the elite. This is what they have always wanted, this is what the illuminati has always wanted, a new world order, once the people commit to one world government then they are in control. Mass depopulation, mass surveillance, mass sterilisation through vaccines, mass confining of space, mass getting everyone chipped. Their ultimate game is control. They worship nimrod, the bloke who built the Tower of Babel, the only other time when humanity was United, they tried to build a tower that would reach to the heavens to overthrow God. The whole idea of a one world is satanic. Honestly this is what they believe they are maniacs
How does one study the elites then. The tower of babbel is an allegory. It's a story that didn't happen meant to teach a moral lesson. There isn't even enougn information from that time period to write much more than a paragraph about the guy who tried to build it. Provided he even existed at all. I absolutely disagree though. What happens when someone wins a game of Risk and conquers the whole planet? The game ends because there is now nothing more to do for those that seek conquests. Plus there is zero chance that all or most of the world's richest narcissist and out of touch with reality folk could or would agree on a religion or a God when most feel like they are close to being one themselves. Yes, I'm aware that they do that weird ass retreat where they supposedly worship molloch or whatever his name is. But, consider this...say burning man was a super exclusive invite only kind if gathering. Lots of secrecy and nobody talks about what they do there. All we know is they burn an enormous effigy of a man at the end of it and there is lots of dirty sandy desert sex....that actually sounds and looks more like a cult gathering than burning an owl effigy on California with some rich folks there. Nothing without transparency is what we assume it is. We can usually only speculate and the human mind tends to want to see patterns and signs that aren't necessarily there and coincidences as signs. Now I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong. I don't know. We are both speculating just to different conclusions.
Yes fair play brother, like you said we can’t be sure we are 100% right, only time will tell. But I would say this about the religion bit . I believe the one world religion they want is the new age religion, it acknowledges all the gods as ways to enlightenment and most young people these days are completely into it, all the astrology and crystals and that. Honestly it’s pure satanic and it denies Christ Jesus, who I believe to be God. And it’s so mainstream these days
That's fair. I appreciate that you and i at least can find common ground even if we don't agree. Remember, in the Torah God tells Moses that he is not the only God. But, the one above all others. So, if you believe in this type of thing there are a multitude of lesser gods that would he considered to be false idols one could worship. Even though the Egyptian high priests couldn't stop or reverse the plagues they were powerful enough to counter them in the area directly around the Pharoah. So if they do exist they aren't without significant powers of their own and shouldn't be f'd with. Modern Christianity has a habit of acting like there is only one God when they should remember there is one God above all others instead. By acting like they never existed ppl forget why they are to he avoided. Much the same thing they did to romanticize angels. Angels may protect you but they don't do it defensively. They do it by killing anyone trying to harm you. The Hebrew word for angel is Satan. Pronounced Seh-tan. It sort of translates to "the great adversary" or "the great foe". Seeing an angel means you are about to be murdered. It's why lots wife turned to salt when she looked back at Sodom and Gamora. She saw Michael. Sorry I went way off topic on a tangent when all I wanted to say was thank you for the discussion. We don't agree but,unlike most ppl today you didn't get angry or insult anybody. You listened and thoughtfully replied which is how discussion is supposed to work. Shalom my friend.
Yes very true, most don’t think about the lesser gods in Abrahamic religions the Elohim. Yes good discussion. Farewell
Right if the Egyptian gods were able to counter the will of God, even minimally then we have to assume that the gods of every ancient area, religion, or peoples could plausibly exist and have similar powers. The devil was created to be nearly as beautiful as God and therefore nearly as powerful. Which makes me think God isn't entirely omnipotent. At least he can't see the future. If he could there would be no reason to create him as he'd know the outcome. He wouldn't needs to torture job because he would know the outcome. Somehow the idea of free will keeps him trapped by some linearly just like we are. But, I'm not a religious person at all. I simply find these ponderings interests to think about. For what it's worth. I hope you are right and you get to rest alongside your God someday.
And why is a one word government the boogie man to yall? You know that would ultimately end wars, bring about laws that would offer more freedom to those that live in tyrannical countries, ect. You understand that a world unified would bring our civilization to the next step, and help us protect this planet, while making space travel to other places much easier.
I always think about the old republic in star wars. Each planet sends a representative to vote for the entire planet. Because every planet basically has a single governing entity. It worked for star wars...until the greedy trade federation got involved.
Although using a science fiction movie is a bit odd, they have actually predicted a few things in a way. Regardless, I can actually see what you mean in a way. Or like in Star Trek as well. Corruption is possible at any level of technological advancement. I get that this is like a conspiracy club, but some of the things people assume will be guaranteed to happen with a one world government is batshit crazy, and some things that are said happen regardless of how many governing bodies there are.
Yeah I agree. I know it was a bit if an odd analogy. But it was something I noticed when I watched the older new star wars trilogy. Which I think was episodes 1-3?¿? What I find interesting is how adamant ppl are about their preferred conspiracy theory being 100% correct. If we knew with absolute certainty it wouldn't be a conspiracy, it'd just be facts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely as they say. I like to think that as technology advances it would provide less opportunity for corruption. But, it'll likely actually allow much more control of the masses and enable unrestricted corruption only at the highest levels.
As soon as they get their one world government, your freedoms are OVER. You will not be able to travel anywhere, they will confine you to one space like cattle, 15 minute cities. You will be chipped and anyone who is not chipped won’t be able to buy or sell. You will be forced inoculated. Anyone who does not participate in society will be killed. You will be watched by surveillance everywhere you go without even knowing it. YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY, said by klaus schwab himself. They want us all to die honestly
This is the truest comment yet. And Klaus Schwab and George Soros are total criminals. Read 1984 and you’ll understand the playbook. People will be herded into smart cities. They will be chipped and money will become digital. Inoculations of all kinds that will limit humanity will be common place. And I consider this to be quite a shame. And certainly against anything considered spiritual or anything that works in conjunction with Darwin‘s theory of evolution. Very sad but very true. And it’s going on now and nearing the end stages. I am not against a one world government. Done as a Cooperative. With an ironclad Constitution and Bill of Rights. The worry I have is who will run things and how will they be run. Human beings are generally greedy and corrupt if left to their own devices. Not all but the ones that seek power.
The question is who will run it. And how will it be run. And the government behind the government is already 100 years in advance of what you’re seeing technologically. We are already well into space. We have already conquered gravity with anti-gravity flight. Look up torsion physics. Plasma with discs above and below spinning in opposite directions. 100 years ago Nicola Tesla was working with over unity energy. He rediscovered it. He did not discover it. But we have it and yet we still keep the oil paradigm. Ask yourself why. And if you don’t think the deals have been made at the highest planetary levels with off world species then you should “guess again“. Because you can be sure all this and more is true. So if you’ve seen a UFO, there’s a 50-50 chance that it was ours. If you want more proof, then look up Ben Bradley‘s comment on our space technology. He ran Lockheed Martin skunk works. It’s on the record that he stated “we now have the technology to go anywhere in space and take ET home. And if you want information on over unity energy, or zero point energy. Then look up Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Bearden. then you’ll be qualified to comment
There is a plan in the works for a One World government. It’s not in the public knowledge, but it is being discussed at the highest levels. And I agree with a One World government. What I do not agree with is who will run it and how it will be run, it surely will not be run based on the American Constitution. And the American Bill of Rights. And this is a concern. Who will run things, and how will things be run. This is the question to ask.
Well if Eastern Europe wouldn't join NATO and western sphere of influence it would share the same fate as Ukraine or had ally with China. Maybe this is not such a bad idea EU is finished and USA is declining superpower. Russia is not real power or enemy for the West but China is.
Russia was not a nation when this timeline map began. What a young nation with very few friends and agreements
NATO was solely created to have war with Russia
NATO was created to contain the USSR and stop its expansion into Europe. So, since the USSR disbanded, why has NATO continued to exist?
because small countries (especially from eastern europe) want to be protected from a potential russian aggression. And … rightfully so.
Then maybe they should tell the EU to stop spending billions on Russian energy. And spend more on their own armies?
That seems to be exactly what's happening as a result of this war no? EU countries across the board are exploring and implementing alternatives to relying on Russian energy.
Over unity energy. Or zero point energy. Sometimes called free energy think Nicola Tesla.
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Can someone explain that tiny little red blip kaliningrad? Wtf is that? how does Russia own it?