Yeah definitely hard to parse. Melancholy is sadness with a little joy, nostalgia is joy with a little sadness, so i agree that the emotions on the left seem to be primary. They should have flipped many of the circles in that case!
Edit: actually there’s no rhyme or reason to this guide. Horror is mostly fear w a little disgust, repulsion is disgust with a little fear, this runs contrary to the examples above.
I'm not a member of this sub so I just see the posts that hit the front page and all the guides I see are ridiculous and generally very non-scientific/not provable.
Even then, a lot of it feel super forced and don't make sense.
Like, how do you get Joy+Disgust adding up to "ironic"?
Also, the fact that they can't pick a tense to use for the words is driving me nuts. They've got "ecstasy", "ironic", "hatred", "repulsed", and "zeal" all in the same list. Half a dozen different tenses and conjugations for words instead of one uniform option.
Yeah the melancholy one was all I needed to see to tell that this was bs.
Joy and sad would be bittersweet.
Melancholy is what they used to call depression a long time ago. It's like being sad as your normal state of being.
Same base emotions on the top row and left column. Combination of the top and left row emotions giving the names of feeling both for the same memory or circumstance. Seems like the emotion on the left is the dominant emotion in the combination of the two. In the case where the same base emotion is there twice it is like an absolute or extreme feeling of the one emotion.
They should have swapped color orders to explain portion or which leads:
nostalgia is joy/yellow front with blue sad behind while melancholy they have right with blue front & yellow behind
Yes, it's so annoying they didn't have any consistency with the color order for rows / columns 🙄
Would have been even better if the primary emotion color was darker to indicate that's it the primary one lol
Like others have said, this is just an ad, and a lot of it makes sense, but like so many “cool guides” we see on this sub, it’s an extreme oversimplification.
No, it's about consistency. Most of these are nouns ("ecstasy", "hatred", "betrayal"), so "ironic" should be "irony", "nostalgic" should be "nostalgia", "repulsed" should be "repulsion", "vengeful" should be "vengefulness" or even "spite", etc...
I understand their point. The point I was making that a guide with low quality content likely won't be well thought out when it comes to presenting that content.
I'm not complaining about content, only presentation. I think it's asking the bare minimum of a cool guide to at least try to present the supposed information in a congruent way.
I know you aren't complaining about content, I am. I'm saying that a guide with low quality content is likely also going to have low quality presentation.
> actual academic take on the subject
Isn't this more from a drawing/artistic perspective though? Still better than OP's, which is based on nothing as far as I can tell
I think the point is the McCloud isn't making any claims about human emotion. He's not literally claiming that horror is what humans experience when feeling disgust and fear at the same time. He's just talking about facial expressions.
What a load of nonsense. These kind of so-called 'guides' can do a lot of harm to people who have problems identifying their emotions. It just looks like someone mashed up their favorite characters from a Disney movie and just made up a chart. This is awful. It doesn't even explain what emotions like joy, fear, sadness or anger even mean.
Some very basic emotions like shame, guilt, surprise, interest, boredom and frustration can't even been found on this 'guide'. It's completely pointless and unhelpful.
The fact that this guide has 3k upvotes and made it to my front page has me feeling sad and disgusted, which combined appears to be either contempt or loathing depending on how you read this graph
/r/im14andthisisdeep material really
Just googled synonyms for the main emotions and filled in the blanks without any real consideration for what the words mean.
a lot of these make absolutely no sense though. like betrayal is a circumstance that can potentially lead to feeling both anger and sadness, but that doesn't mean that feeling both anger and sadness leads to feeling betrayal. and anxiety has nothing to do with sadness. it's basically fear, except not of a specific stimulus - just a general feeling of tension/worry/uneasiness that something might happen. "ironic" is not a feeling. and "vengeful" has nothing to do with fear. etc. etc.
Nostalgia isn't sadness.
Distain (sic)/Disdain isn't joy.
Contempt is neither sadness nor disgust.
Anger and sadness isn't betrayal.
Fear and anger isn't vengeful.
Fear and joy isn't protective.
Disgust and joy isn't ironic.
Hatred isn't anger and disgust.
Hostility isn't fear and anger.
Nice idea, but a terrible guide. [This one is better.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57b5ef68c534a5cc06edc769/1588029193663-0FO826LV9VYNXN5XO41N/Feelings+Wheel+WIP.png?format=2500w)
So it starts by naming the feelings you feel - "ecstacy", "melancholy", "distain" then mixes-up the naming by calling it "nostalgic" instead of "nostalgia" and "ironic" instead of "irony". E.g. why isn't "excitement" labelled as "exciting".
Is a mess tbh
Actually, there's no such thing as emotions
I'm not trying to be rude, just ask the law!
It's little tiny micro-plastic pieces of shit floating around in the atmosphere.
That is what emotions are...
Oh well.
I thought it would be a symmetrical matrix. How does this work? Are the emotions in the columns more prevalent throughout the movie than those in the rows?
Each combination actually leads to a range of mixed (of complex) emotions. They have just illustrated 2 mixed emotions out of many possibilities for each pair.
And here's everyone commenting with their criticisms on a bad post. lol
I recognize the irony of my comment.
LET'S GET THIS TO THE FRONT PAGE!!!!111!!!!11!!!!!!!11
It'd be nice if the colors were laid out in a consistent way, with either the rows or columns always first.
Instead, joy is always on the left, anger is always on the right and everybody else is a mix.
Should be primary always on the left, what's being mixed in on the right. I'd also change it so that the primary is always on top instead of how this chart does it where the right is always on top except for when mixing anger with anger.
Joy and Disgust are not Disdain, also it’s disdain, not distain which is “an archaic verb that means to stain or dishonour something”
This is why you don’t take internet shit at face value, that’s in the first line, I haven’t looked any further.
Edit I looked further literally the first one I saw: fear and joy would be nervousness… not protective? this guide is shit
Anger and disgust is resentment but they’ve assigned that one “outrage” which would be Anger and Anger together but that’s already labeled rage which is basically the same thing as outrage.
I wish it was this simple. For many people secondary emotions take over, for example simple anger can turn into fear, or shame can turn into rage before you can even notice them.
I thought anxiety/nostalgia were already separate emotions from the second movie? And embarassment would be a bit of anger (with yourself) and sadness (with how the situation turned out). I think Ennuei is a nice addition though
Distain vs disdain
**Noun** [**distain**](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/distain) 1. *Misspelling of* **disdain**.
Which is apparently equal to "ironic" now
Normal dain
Nobody just dains any more.
Shall I give you dis pear?
Datdain
Probably should be schadenfreude anyway
I don’t understand the difference between the top row emotions and the left side emotions and how they combine
Yeah definitely hard to parse. Melancholy is sadness with a little joy, nostalgia is joy with a little sadness, so i agree that the emotions on the left seem to be primary. They should have flipped many of the circles in that case! Edit: actually there’s no rhyme or reason to this guide. Horror is mostly fear w a little disgust, repulsion is disgust with a little fear, this runs contrary to the examples above.
> actually there’s no rhyme or reason to this guide Then its right at home here, as of late.
I'm not a member of this sub so I just see the posts that hit the front page and all the guides I see are ridiculous and generally very non-scientific/not provable.
Even then, a lot of it feel super forced and don't make sense. Like, how do you get Joy+Disgust adding up to "ironic"? Also, the fact that they can't pick a tense to use for the words is driving me nuts. They've got "ecstasy", "ironic", "hatred", "repulsed", and "zeal" all in the same list. Half a dozen different tenses and conjugations for words instead of one uniform option.
Def would have helped to flip them.
Pretty sure it's just a crappy ad for the .org using current trending images.
Yeah the melancholy one was all I needed to see to tell that this was bs. Joy and sad would be bittersweet. Melancholy is what they used to call depression a long time ago. It's like being sad as your normal state of being.
Melancholy essentially means sadness with no reason. There is no joy in melancholy.
Same base emotions on the top row and left column. Combination of the top and left row emotions giving the names of feeling both for the same memory or circumstance. Seems like the emotion on the left is the dominant emotion in the combination of the two. In the case where the same base emotion is there twice it is like an absolute or extreme feeling of the one emotion.
They should have swapped color orders to explain portion or which leads: nostalgia is joy/yellow front with blue sad behind while melancholy they have right with blue front & yellow behind
Yes, it's so annoying they didn't have any consistency with the color order for rows / columns 🙄 Would have been even better if the primary emotion color was darker to indicate that's it the primary one lol
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You mean subjective?
Thats speculating.
Yes, hypothetically.
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Subjecture
Conjective?
It’s because the whole thing is made up nonsense.
Like others have said, this is just an ad, and a lot of it makes sense, but like so many “cool guides” we see on this sub, it’s an extreme oversimplification.
What, you mean you can't tell the difference between being joyfully sad and sadly joyous??? /s
You're not supposed to understand anything, this is/was a movie advertisement
Some are nouns. Some are adjectives. Some are verbs. I wish they'd settle on one.
You're asking a lot for a "guide" that's completely subjective and made up.
No, it's about consistency. Most of these are nouns ("ecstasy", "hatred", "betrayal"), so "ironic" should be "irony", "nostalgic" should be "nostalgia", "repulsed" should be "repulsion", "vengeful" should be "vengefulness" or even "spite", etc...
I understand their point. The point I was making that a guide with low quality content likely won't be well thought out when it comes to presenting that content.
Subjective and made-up things can still have consistent grammar. And by God I demand it.
I'm not complaining about content, only presentation. I think it's asking the bare minimum of a cool guide to at least try to present the supposed information in a congruent way.
I know you aren't complaining about content, I am. I'm saying that a guide with low quality content is likely also going to have low quality presentation.
Im with you on this one, i hatred that they did it that way. It made me sadness.
Some aren’t even words!
Is this just an Ad?
It's not even advertising the right movie, this guide is many years old and only references the FIRST Inside Out movie.
Feels like a ad
If Disney/Pixar had made this, the image quality would be better.
Zeal and betrayal = Mastercard.
Resentment=maestro
Was looking for this comment lol
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Did anybody hear something?
How did you reply to blank comment? Must be a bug…
"Ironic" is a feeling now?
It's the feeling of 10,000 forks when all you need is a knife.
I like this version way more https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/31/4c/9b314c117db091c9b912106359a84b4c.jpg
> You **ATE** it??
Scott McCloud - Understanding Comics. An actual academic take on the subject, and worlds better than OP's guide.
> actual academic take on the subject Isn't this more from a drawing/artistic perspective though? Still better than OP's, which is based on nothing as far as I can tell
It's comprehensive and widely referred to when studying sequential art. I took Comics as an elective, and Understanding Comics was one of our texts.
I think the point is the McCloud isn't making any claims about human emotion. He's not literally claiming that horror is what humans experience when feeling disgust and fear at the same time. He's just talking about facial expressions.
This is creepily accurate.
"you ATE it?" being an emotion is so fucking funny
Reminds me of [this](https://www.eudaemonist.com/biblion/characters/)
This is fascinating! Great contribution btw 💠
What a load of nonsense. These kind of so-called 'guides' can do a lot of harm to people who have problems identifying their emotions. It just looks like someone mashed up their favorite characters from a Disney movie and just made up a chart. This is awful. It doesn't even explain what emotions like joy, fear, sadness or anger even mean. Some very basic emotions like shame, guilt, surprise, interest, boredom and frustration can't even been found on this 'guide'. It's completely pointless and unhelpful.
Nah, this sucks ass
"Nonserious guides will be removed."
The fact that this guide has 3k upvotes and made it to my front page has me feeling sad and disgusted, which combined appears to be either contempt or loathing depending on how you read this graph
i feel disdain when i read and see "distain"
'Dat stain? No, 'dis stain.
This was all I could see!!!
Before I got any meaning, that one tiny typo shines through.
…..but you still posted it?
then why did you contribute to the further enshittification of the internet by posting this worthless graph
The mixing of nouns and adjectives is a crime.
/r/im14andthisisdeep material really Just googled synonyms for the main emotions and filled in the blanks without any real consideration for what the words mean.
Why don’t these mirror across the diagonal axis? What makes joy + sadness different from sadness + joy?
Was about to ask that. One can think about what is the stronger emotion but the guide doesn't specify which is which... So yeah
The fact that sadness/joy doesn't form catharsis anywhere makes absolutely no sense as that is basically the definition.
Where's the one for horny?
This is so wrong it’s absurd
a lot of these make absolutely no sense though. like betrayal is a circumstance that can potentially lead to feeling both anger and sadness, but that doesn't mean that feeling both anger and sadness leads to feeling betrayal. and anxiety has nothing to do with sadness. it's basically fear, except not of a specific stimulus - just a general feeling of tension/worry/uneasiness that something might happen. "ironic" is not a feeling. and "vengeful" has nothing to do with fear. etc. etc.
Anger and sadness and you get Maestro
Why is this asymmetrical? And how does an emotion combine with itself?
Distain? Almost everyone of these charts has a spelling error on them. It's "disdain".
How is this matrix not equal to its transpose?
I have to disagree, contempt doesn't really involve sadness.
Who’s upvoting all this shit on this sub? How does this have 2.6K upvotes when so many of the comments are criticizing it?
Nostalgia isn't sadness. Distain (sic)/Disdain isn't joy. Contempt is neither sadness nor disgust. Anger and sadness isn't betrayal. Fear and anger isn't vengeful. Fear and joy isn't protective. Disgust and joy isn't ironic. Hatred isn't anger and disgust. Hostility isn't fear and anger. Nice idea, but a terrible guide. [This one is better.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57b5ef68c534a5cc06edc769/1588029193663-0FO826LV9VYNXN5XO41N/Feelings+Wheel+WIP.png?format=2500w)
Really? When I’m nostalgic, I feel kinda sad tho.
Nostalgia is an emotion that *does* make you somewhat happy and sad, but that's not what it means.
Nostalgia makes sense, melancholy made me annoyed because it just means sad
Loathing is a form of hatred to that’s wrong too.
The guide you listed is describing something entirely different
As a non-English speaker it's more of a cool guide to emotions in the language for me
Don't use this as a guide to emotions in English; it really has nothing to do with what any of those words mean.
I thought Mastercard changed their logos
"Distain" 😭😭😭
A good idea, terribly executed. Also OP must have not seen Inside out 2 because it misses some emotions.
This makes absolutely no sense haha. Why does combining two emotions result in two different emotions. This isn’t cool or a guide
There’s a lot of frustration in these comments…
I have a problem with the way the did the van diagram color’s especially in the first row lolol
Mastercard and Maestro?
This chart has more to do with identifying synonyms than emotions.
Yet another dumb, useless graphic on this sub. What the hell even happened in the last year where this sub is just full of Facebook level posts?
I don’t understand the rows and columns together. Why is joy + fear Excitement on Row 1 and Protective on Column 1?
People will up vote even the most unreadable nonsense on this sub, wtf is this shit even saying?
Um... All of these aren't emotions
Everything about this is awful.
Who upvotes this garbage?
Nah fam this is just the first movie. But cool and accurate either way.
I get master card if I mix anger and joy?
So it starts by naming the feelings you feel - "ecstacy", "melancholy", "distain" then mixes-up the naming by calling it "nostalgic" instead of "nostalgia" and "ironic" instead of "irony". E.g. why isn't "excitement" labelled as "exciting". Is a mess tbh
Master card
Most of this doesn't work or make any sense
This is more someone's opinion on the meaning of words than a "guide"
This is one of the worst ‘cool guides’ I’ve seen yet. Congrats!
Shouldn’t this be a symmetric matrix?
So Joy+Anger = Mastercard? 🤔
Tf is “distain?” Do you mean disdain? This whole thing is wonky.
Wouldn't "contempt" be a better word for disgust and anger? Outrage I feel is more anger and disappointment.
You guys can actually name your emotions?
Nostalgia, irony, protectiveness, repulsion, vengeance,
This doesn’t make any sense at all
Joy + Anger = Bloodlust
How to mix them to form "Horny"?
Rage squared
How about you just post an emotions wheel? Those are better to understand and are logically put together, not like this... thing
YEa i feel like some of these words are not accurate or even very different than others.
So only 1/5 emotions is possitive?
Folks interested in a more methodical representation might Google Plutchik's Wheel of Emotions.
I am untethered and my anger + anger has no bounds.
I was just thinkin about this!!
Dread for me
cant wait for inside out 3 where the emotions perform steven universe fusion dances to fuse into more nuanced adult emotions
Now I know the order of the factors affects the product.
Fear, Sadness, and Disgust in Las Vegas
wait, wouldnt sadness and happiness create the same emotion when combined? why does it say nostalgic for one and melancholy for the other
What’s “distain”?
I've seen this kind of thing before. But this is missing all the new emotions! If you add them there's 4 times the permutations.
Missing “sick & tired”
Distain????
This isn't all that great. It's got problems with accuracy I think
Where horny??
This chart makes zero fucking sense.
I don't think whoever made this spoke English as a first language.
what a load of shit
Ah yes. Colors are a perfect representation of emotions. Not really
There is another 😔
So does this mean that Fear and Sadness…
My silly brain is over here like “red and yellow make orange which is anxiety, so there for anger and joy make anxiety!” LoL. Dumb just dumb. 🤣
Actually, there's no such thing as emotions I'm not trying to be rude, just ask the law! It's little tiny micro-plastic pieces of shit floating around in the atmosphere. That is what emotions are... Oh well.
Thank you :)
Lol meh
Disdain is misspelled.
How does any combination of Joy and Sadness result in protective?
Someone didnt take their matrix classes
What about if you have combinations of 3 or more
These are not correct in the slightest. I'm so irrationally upset about it
I thought it would be a symmetrical matrix. How does this work? Are the emotions in the columns more prevalent throughout the movie than those in the rows?
Each combination actually leads to a range of mixed (of complex) emotions. They have just illustrated 2 mixed emotions out of many possibilities for each pair.
So Fear and Sadness had a fling and Anxiety came to be.
Fear & Sadness + Disgust in Las Vegas.
This reminds me of Omori
And here's everyone commenting with their criticisms on a bad post. lol I recognize the irony of my comment. LET'S GET THIS TO THE FRONT PAGE!!!!111!!!!11!!!!!!!11
Jealousy is just love and hate at the same time
But all of them get you Mastercard
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Ah, a non-abelian group.
This graph isn't scientifically accurate.
The company that produced this, 6 Seconds, is a cult.
thats true at lot many checkbixes
It'd be nice if the colors were laid out in a consistent way, with either the rows or columns always first. Instead, joy is always on the left, anger is always on the right and everybody else is a mix. Should be primary always on the left, what's being mixed in on the right. I'd also change it so that the primary is always on top instead of how this chart does it where the right is always on top except for when mixing anger with anger.
You talking distain or dat stain?
Joy and Disgust are not Disdain, also it’s disdain, not distain which is “an archaic verb that means to stain or dishonour something” This is why you don’t take internet shit at face value, that’s in the first line, I haven’t looked any further. Edit I looked further literally the first one I saw: fear and joy would be nervousness… not protective? this guide is shit Anger and disgust is resentment but they’ve assigned that one “outrage” which would be Anger and Anger together but that’s already labeled rage which is basically the same thing as outrage.
This chart is bizarre
Ironic is not a real feeling.
This is stupid. The same combos have different names
The fact that the convention on which circle is on the left or right is inconsistent throughout means this is very much *not* a cool guide…
This sub is fucking dogshit
Joy and disgust is horny.
As a designer I feel resentment towards the inconsistent use of colors in this tab
Joy and disgust is fetish
this guide is real fuckin stupid
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All i see is mastercard logo
Not real
I wish it was this simple. For many people secondary emotions take over, for example simple anger can turn into fear, or shame can turn into rage before you can even notice them.
They did it wrong a large amount of circles are in the wrong place makes the guide difficult to read
Melancholy, nostalgic, anxiety
There is only fear and love all others stem from the 2.
looks completely made up
I thought anxiety/nostalgia were already separate emotions from the second movie? And embarassment would be a bit of anger (with yourself) and sadness (with how the situation turned out). I think Ennuei is a nice addition though
I can like movies but I never make to tell about things happen in the movie anyway but why I don't know