I think this works better as one of those split cards where you can choose to fuse them. That way the discarding effect can be paid for with just black mana and the draw effect can be paid for with blue mana.
Yes, but that makes it more expensive to use both effects, whereas using both effects should cost less.
Currently: U - draw 2, discard 2
UB - draw 2
UB - discard 2
That way: U - draw
B - discard
UB - draw, discard
See the problem?
You could make the black half cost one more so you end up with
U- Draw 2
1B - Discard 2
UB - Draw 2, Discard 2
Not a perfect fix, but a bit more viable in terms of color pie
No, but thats what OP has it as at the moment. U - each player draws 2. I was just proposing a way to make the fuse version work, which may be cleaner.
Op right now has:
U - each player draws 2, then each player discards 2. Alternatively, Each player discards 2, then each player draws 2.
UB - Each player draws 2, or each player discards 2.
Your suggestion inverts the modes, and creates additional options. Your card would work like this:
U - Each player draws 2
B - Each player discards 2
UB - Each player draws 2, then each player discards 2.
It's a completely different card.
Edit: formatting
I like it, and I get the vibes that a couple other commenters didn't read closely enough to understand what's happening here.
There *is* a color difficulty going on. Switching from looting to EITHER draw or discard bounces you all over the pie.
I think it needs to be “Each player draws two cards. If this spell was kicked, each player discards two cards instead.” Or whichever way round you want it.
Instant speed, table wide, Faithless Blueting
Anyway, I like it, and I actually understand the purpose. I don’t think cleave works unless you do it really jank and have too different sets of brackets (like [] and {} and not just []) like another comment (jokingly) suggested, but I assume there’s no precedent for that. Maybe reword it to “choose both, if the spell was kicked, choose one instead.”
Double Cleave, with [] and {}
/j
Edit: Or "[Choose one:] Each player draws two cards [or each player] then discards two cards"
The then is jank but technically not incorrect
Wouldn't that make it work the opposite way? Defaulting to "choose one", with Cleave then making it both effects?
Maybe Cleave B, Choose 1 [then choose the other]?
This would be better with cleave single kicker normally adds effects for the mana but cleave removes them.
“Each player draw two cards [then discards two cards]
Pretty cool card, I’m a fan. Obviously a bit hard to parse as the comments have shown, but not much you can do about that, this feels like the best way to word it. Though I do think it should probably be a sorcery, a bit too powerful otherwise
That is the opposite of what it does. If you don’t pay the kicker, each player draws two cards then discards two cards. If you do pay the kicker, either each player draws two cards or each player discards two cards.
I think this works better as one of those split cards where you can choose to fuse them. That way the discarding effect can be paid for with just black mana and the draw effect can be paid for with blue mana.
Yes, but that makes it more expensive to use both effects, whereas using both effects should cost less. Currently: U - draw 2, discard 2 UB - draw 2 UB - discard 2 That way: U - draw B - discard UB - draw, discard See the problem?
You could make the black half cost one more so you end up with U- Draw 2 1B - Discard 2 UB - Draw 2, Discard 2 Not a perfect fix, but a bit more viable in terms of color pie
So you're saying that drawing 2 for U is a good idea?
No, but thats what OP has it as at the moment. U - each player draws 2. I was just proposing a way to make the fuse version work, which may be cleaner.
Wait, I read the card wrong. My bad.
Op right now has: U - each player draws 2, then each player discards 2. Alternatively, Each player discards 2, then each player draws 2. UB - Each player draws 2, or each player discards 2. Your suggestion inverts the modes, and creates additional options. Your card would work like this: U - Each player draws 2 B - Each player discards 2 UB - Each player draws 2, then each player discards 2. It's a completely different card. Edit: formatting
Yup, thats why I said I read it wrong
Okay, that would make sense.
Actually due to the rules its U - each player draws 2, then each player discards 2.
I don't think the modes make much sense with the kicker. Why does [[Vision Skeins]] fit in Black's color pie?
It doesn't, but you can't cast this spell with mono black anyways.
[Vision Skeins](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76999d96-f3fe-421e-9190-e682259e3cdb.jpg?1592765524) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vision%20Skeins) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/e01/29/vision-skeins?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76999d96-f3fe-421e-9190-e682259e3cdb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It can never be just B. It’s either U or UB.
The blue \[\[Delirium Skeins\]\] gives me pause too
That’s not how this card works. For just blue, all players loot 2. For UB, you can choose if you want Vision or Delirium.
I was thinking that too. Maybe add "if this was kicked, each player loses 2 life" at the end?
The card flavor text alone talks about exploiting knowledge which is a Blue Black thing not just a blue thing
Theres a mind warp already btw
https://ibb.co/86GPQQx
[[Mind Warp]]
[Mind Warp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1f0d58c-24fa-498f-9531-e62144401e86.jpg?1562823754) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20Warp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/143/mind-warp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1f0d58c-24fa-498f-9531-e62144401e86?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like it, and I get the vibes that a couple other commenters didn't read closely enough to understand what's happening here. There *is* a color difficulty going on. Switching from looting to EITHER draw or discard bounces you all over the pie.
This is better done with cleave
I think it needs to be “Each player draws two cards. If this spell was kicked, each player discards two cards instead.” Or whichever way round you want it.
From another comment by OP it seems clear the idea is by paying U you get both effects but by paying UB you can choose one
Oh I see. So it should be “Choose both. If this spell was kicked choose one instead.”
Name too similar to an existing card.
what is up with everyone making a 2 mana draw 2 spell
Instant speed, table wide, Faithless Blueting Anyway, I like it, and I actually understand the purpose. I don’t think cleave works unless you do it really jank and have too different sets of brackets (like [] and {} and not just []) like another comment (jokingly) suggested, but I assume there’s no precedent for that. Maybe reword it to “choose both, if the spell was kicked, choose one instead.”
This is why they made Cleave
Cleave doesn't work here, because the intent is if the card is kicked you choose _either_ the draw or discard effect.
Double Cleave, with [] and {} /j Edit: Or "[Choose one:] Each player draws two cards [or each player] then discards two cards" The then is jank but technically not incorrect
Wouldn't that make it work the opposite way? Defaulting to "choose one", with Cleave then making it both effects? Maybe Cleave B, Choose 1 [then choose the other]?
Yes, but mechanically it's identical. Standard cost is UB and Cleave for U, so the effect-cost pair is identical
Lol. Cleave?
Cleave doesn't work here, because the intent is if the card is kicked you choose _either_ the draw or discard effect.
This would be better with cleave single kicker normally adds effects for the mana but cleave removes them. “Each player draw two cards [then discards two cards]
Cleave doesn't work here, because the intent is if the card is kicked you choose _either_ the draw or discard effect.
Pretty cool card, I’m a fan. Obviously a bit hard to parse as the comments have shown, but not much you can do about that, this feels like the best way to word it. Though I do think it should probably be a sorcery, a bit too powerful otherwise
This would be “entwine - B”
That is the opposite of what it does. If you don’t pay the kicker, each player draws two cards then discards two cards. If you do pay the kicker, either each player draws two cards or each player discards two cards.
This would probably work best with hybrid mana.