Exactly. Put it on parts of the models you can’t usually see. They added a nipple for Artist and Yui. What’s a marking on Demo’s foot or Pyramid Heads hand (under the glove) gonna do?
it'll make some of license holders lose their shit, probably. i think even tiny details like that would need to be in their contract to be suddenly added without re-negotiating.
Cool idea, maybe Freddy has a larger one on his glove.
Depending on how you power scale wesker (a lot more powerful than people think) it would be cool as shit to like, replace the cat pupils with the mark, it would be like a minor addition to the mori
I think if put in the same spot as it is on vecna might be a little distracting on some characters, but if its in a different spot like a wrist it would add pretty well to the design
In things like the lobby and from the survivor point of view if you look at the characters neck and see a bright red sigil it would very much be distracting for some characters, sadako being a prime example of this
Can they even do that without renowing the license? Like didn't they say they can't update Myers model because that's how the license wanted him even if he has comically large hands?
I thought it was implied that Pinhead willingly restrains himself and takes part in the trials simply because it allows him to do what he enjoyed doing anyways: reveling in other people's pain and suffering.
I mean his Mori has survivors dragged off to Hell or w/e the Cenobites home realm is. Clearly, he isn't fully restrained by the Entity if he can outright remove survivors from the Entity's realm... not that where they are going isn't any better.
I've heard some argue the entity controls him and his mori only 'sends them back to the campfire'. I prefer to think there's some sort of deal/mutual understanding between Leviathan.
He does restrain himself even in the movies so yeah that fits.
I think there definitely is a deal between the entity and the Leviathan, not because they are friends but because the Leviathan, despite being probably weaker than the Entity, is still a really powerful entity. If pinhead(basically Leviathan's top guy) were to be kidnapped by the Entity, the Leviathan wouldn't be pleased, and that could spell trouble for the entity. It's far safer to simply allow pinhead to do what he like while abiding to the entity's rules. That's why a mark of negation wouldn't make sense on him
TL;DR: Pinhead shouldn't get a mark of negation because he has daddy Leviathan watching his back
Michael is a menace in his own movies but honestly he’s a non-threat to anybody with superhuman stats, seeing as how his power grows on fear but none of the killers in dbd would be particularly afraid of him.
Well it means... most of licensed killers? Both PHs, Sadako(because it's film version, damned bhvr), Freddy and Myers(because i can't explain otherwise why they are bottom tier).
I assume it means magically powerful characters, so PH, Sadako, and Freddy. Also I guess some survivors like Cheryl and Alan Wake really should have it since they have god/reality powers.
Alan can't rewrite reality without the typewriter room, dark place and a story that makes sense. Since he's already written himself into the trials, I believe the Alan that's in the entity's domain is now completely dependant on the whims of the version/loop of himself that wrote that story.
yeah, entity snatched his ass, immediately went 'ah shit wait a second-' and smacked him with an ungodly amount of nerfs so he didnt fuck over the whole thing
Is Freddy really that powerful in his own lore? That's crazy, I always just assumed he was kinda just another slasher (never actually watched the movies lol)
He’s kind of both underrated and overrated, he is on the level of vecna against people who are sleeping (a god) but can’t do a single thing to you if you are awake because he only exists in the dream world as a ghost.
Freddy basically has his own domain, the dream world. In SCP terms he'd probably be considered a reality bender. But he can only gain power when people know that he exists. I think the entity is still more powerful because at one point Freddy Krueger was a human, and as far as we know the entity is an old one... A lovecraftian old god. Although I'm still not sure if he's on the same level as Nyalarthotep, Shub-niggurath, or even Cthulhu. It's all fiction so I guess it's whatever BHVR decides.
He’s not, he’s been defeated by teenagers multiple times in his own films. The idea of a dream “demon” is cool and he does just like generally kill people but he’s also just a human creeper and likes toying with children specifically. He’s literally just a formerly human guy that can manipulate dreams and is quasi-immortal. Definitely significantly less powerful than the entity.
He’s bottlenecked by his generally like average to below average human intelligence. I can’t stress enough that he was Just Some Guy that liked messing with children when he was human, and got a devil deal as a result.
He doesn't manipulate dreams. He has a world to himself where he can bring those he preys on when they sleep. This can apply to literally anyone or anything that sleeps. If the Entity slept, which I doubt, freddy could be a real threat. But i dont think freddy WANTS to leave the trials. He gets to do what he loves forever
i wonder if this applies to pinhead, i wouldnt say leviathan would let that happen to some of his cenobites and they are allowed to leave, this probably does apply to the killers who can kill with their power, like myers, pyramid head, or sadako
Trying to, atleast. The survs don’t actually go back to Leviathans realm, they just return to the campfire.
Entity ain’t lettin anyone take its snacks.
Trying to, atleast. The survs don’t actually go back to Leviathan, they just return to the campfire.
Entity ain’t lettin anyone take its snacks.
Also, not 100% sure but I think Pinhead is actually trapped. He shows up in a trial at the same time as survs, not just when someone solves his box. Plus his portals to leviathan clearly don’t work for survivors, not sure he would be able to get through either.
Regardless of whether The Entity or Leviathan is more powerful, they each reign supreme in their own realms. Pinhead is in The Entity’s realm, so he must obey the Entity’s rules.
I've always interpreted it as Pinhead not being trapped, but just messing around and willingly playing by the Entity's rules for the fun of it. Entity would kick him out if he was a problem, but since he plays along everyone gets to be happy.
As for the mori, I thought Pinhead was abducting them and taking them home to torture for a bit, but always returning them to the Entity because they have such a good relationship.
Exactly!
Also, the Cenobite's bio pretty much confirms that he is not trapped, instead Dwight simply found the Box and fucking solved the Lament Configuration, and ...he *came*.
According to lore and this subreddit, the killers who should have a mark are:
Vecna - Sadako - Pinhead - Wesker - Freddy - PyramidHead - Nemesis -
And dare to say that survivors with that mark should include:
Ash - Cheryl
Would they be as powerful as powerful as Vecna? And if they are, would they be wanting to fight against the Entity? Legit question cuz idk much about either
I always figured the two of them would be complicit in working with the Entity, because it provides Pinhead with victims to dole pain out onto, and it's tricked Pyramid Head into believing the survivors are in need of atonement. So even if they're as powerful, they'd be less likely to oppose the Entity because "it is what it is," whereas Vecna is a scheming sonnuva bitch who wouldn't be so easy to tame
>It's tricked Pyramid Head into believing the survivors are in need of atonement.
According to Pyramid's lore, it has an unspoken agreement with The Entity for participating in the trials, meaning it's less about being tricked into doing the spider god's bidding and more so that Pyramid Head simply just treats it's obligation like it's just another job.
Vecna might be the only one who really needs it so far. Seems like all the older powerful killers are in the trials willingly or at least have some agreement with the entity.
* Pinhead have no legit reason to leave as the trials are like a vacation for him and any other cenobite, regardless if he actually could leave or not. (which we don't really know if he can)
* Pyramid Head is too duty bound to break it's agreement with The Entity. It's duty is also what it's entire existence revolves around in the first place and without it, there is nothing else that it has.
* Sadako probably doesn't care a whole alot about her whereabouts to begin with, her sole goal is to spread her rage through cursing others, even if she wanted to leave the realm, she'd probably have just about as much luck with it as all other teleportation killers would.
* Chucky straight up loves being in the realm since he say so himself in one of his lobby voiceline, not that he really could leave even if his doll body was destroyed since death is not an escape. Also killing and sacrificing for The Entity means he's killing for someone else other than Damballa. So if Chucky actually managed to somehow leave the realm one day, Damballa would most likely forsake him as a result, similar to how he forsake Chucky in Chucky Season 3.
* The rest are trapped to the same degree as the Survivors are regardless if the killer's existence is supernatural or if they have supernatural properties in their powers.
Vecna is not only powerful, but ambitious enough to the point where he actively wants the realm and it's secrets, so that he can take it all for himself as it writes in his lore and he says in one of his lobby voicelines.
Blight, Doctor & Wesker are probably the three most ambitious killers in the trials outside of Vecna and even they do not have such a level of ambition or the capability to achieve it, even Blight can't do that since for all of the power & attributes the pustula serum grants him, it is still something that originates from The Entity itself, which means it still holds power over him as a result.
With all that said however, him getting the mark of negation is most likely for the sake of the trial and the Survivors rather than for The Entity itself, as while Vecna may be really strong and is capable of keeping it at bay for an unknown amount of time, i have high doubts he is strong enough to straight up beat it.
The lore says Vecna willingly allowed himself to be pulled into the realm of the Entity to learn it's secrets and is going along with the trials until he has what he wants to know. I wonder how he feels about how the Entity is nerfing his power cus surely that would mean that now Vecna is a prisoner of the Entity as much as the Survivors now since the entity does not seem like the sort to let it's slaves leave when they like, survivor or not.
The thing is that Vecna has been trapped before by godlike entities and has also broken out of these demi-plane prisons several times. Most of which were before he ascended to godhood and became a godslayer. Unlike other killers Vecna has a track record to betraying or overpowering his captors like the Entity.
Really? Licenseholders wouldn't allow a small red mark on a character's body? I'm not really educated on copy right law and license holding, but that's ridiculous.
He’s actually pretty chill, he talked about the upcoming movie’s new design for PH and he seemed ok with it
He just basically hates how PH appears in other canon games
he doesn't hate it he just doesn't like it used outside the context of Silent Hill 2. I'm not even sure he'd mind Pyramid Head in DBD, because technically he isn't Red Pyramid Thing, but his own entity who just looks like Pyramid Thing.
Ito has spoken about it here: https://x.com/adsk4/status/1556368734088232960
He basically dislikes that they used Red Pyramid Thing because that's *specifically* James's "demon", and the White Hunters are not unique to James.
I think he was more pissed about PH appearing in other Silent Hill stuff as fan service.
Besides, the monster doesn’t belong to him. He’s just the creator. There were other people who made Silent Hill 2 and Pyramid Head happen.
Its more about contracts then laws. If BHVR what's to make a skin for a licensed character they have to get permission so it doesn't damage the brand of licensed character.
To get this mark on Vechna, WotC would have given their approval, since it isn't part of his current design, and by adding it, it doesn't harm D&D, infact it make him look more powerful. (Vechna is so powerful a creature who controls an whole dimension needed to nerf his power for him to do as he's told)
I mean Myer's bloody clothing is so lacking because that's all they could get the licenseholders to agree on. The outfits have to be approved by the people who hold the licenses, and they can (and probably have) said no, so those characters don't get too many.
its not even that but (assuming since the devs r very privy about this info for whatever reason) that its a whole process to have edits approved and possibly a new contract for a new design, etc.
I think many people aren't really understanding that it's not only about power. It's also about intention and necessity. While Vecna pre ascension is still particularly powerful, he's probably nowhere near the Entity's power level. But despite this he's very much a menace to her because he came here with a goal: to find her secrets. And he's experienced, smart and powerful enough to achieve it. The consequences of Vecna, a powerful lich and a soon to be god, escaping with her deepest secrets would be catastrophic to her. That's why Vecna is being kept on a tight leash.
On the other hand, basically all powerful killers that we have here aren't really interested in anything that isn't tormenting the survivors. That's why she doesn't need to slap them with the iron glove. Pyramid Head and the entity are working together, they have an agreement, that's why he can retain his powers as far as he abide to the rules, and the same goes for Pinhead. They don't need to be nerfed because they aren't disrupting the trials and they aren't a threat to the Entity
That explains why Demo hasn’t been used to open a portal for the Mind Flayer and, funnily enough, Vecna.
I wonder if on all these powerful killers they’re somewhere else on their body. Demo on a foot, Pyramid Head on a hand or Sadako on her hip for example. Pretty cool idea they should add to some killer outfits.
No, not at all.
The D&D versions are completely different and generally more powerful. (The mindflayer may be on roughly the same scale as its counter part)
They just use names as a reference.
Regular Mindflayer would be much weaker than stranger things version, though an Elder Brain or some of the other special Mindflayers are definitely stronger. Real Demogorgan and Vecna are so drastically stronger than the show versions it’s not even funny
Mostly agree but 3.5 they were also spellcasters with a favoured class of wizard which lends a lot of BS. So while a base mindflayer was weaker they could also be a lot stronger.
Tbf in 2e which is what they would be playing I don't think that was true and they are hands down weaker.
So they have a spread from weaker to stronger.
That said yes it was more on the scale of an elder brain and the other two are so massively out of scale with the show counterparts that the powered difference here is negligible.
Yeah, D&D Vecna would dab on ST Vecna without breaking a sweat. Shit, he could probably just turn off ST Vecna’s psychic abilities and proceed to beat him to death with his bare hands.
Feel like pinhead would have a respect for the laws the or order the entity has in its realm that he willingly holds back. As for the Mori I take it like fishing he messes with them in hell and then tosses them back.
a lot of killers have marks on them that are different from this one. Skull Merchant has some carved on her back in her blood moon skin and Spirit has a bunch on her and her sword in one of her shop skins. Would love to know what they all mean
I guess it would matter if Freddy could be a potential threat to begin with. Does the Entity even sleep? If not, then Freddy is effectively powerless against the Entity. I haven't watched the movies in a long time. I don't think he can force people to sleep either.
Sounds like it's some-what based on the Wand of Negation from the AD&D era of Forgotten Realms. IIRC that gave like a 50 or 75% chance for a struck magic item to fail on attempted use from then on.
Vecna broke free from the Dark Powers of Ravenloft so its not like this is his first rodeo playing Dragon to a formless shapeless nightmare dimensionlord.
No they shouldn’t add it to other killers already in the game because they are not a threat to the Entity. Vecna definitely is. The Entity has actually made some of the killers stronger in its realm.
Always remember Licensing.
DnD allowed dbd to add that mark for in game lore. Other characters from other companies may not want their IP given a tattoo
A lot of dnd fans are upset but it makes a lot of sense for vecnas character. His thirst for knowledge is his main motivator, and as an immortal god lich he's seen most things. the entities realm must be like heaven to him with all the new things he's seeing and experiencing.
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Time to make a list of killers that should have it ~~and write fanfictions about how much of a bummer that must be. Like imagine some spider god just cutting off your hand to nerf you. I feel like Wesker speciffically would have a breakdown~~
By DnD lore, Vecna is far more powerful as a being than any other killer in the game, possibly the entity itself. I don’t know enough about the entity to say for sure, but in the new DnD campaign, Vecna is literally in the process of rewriting existence itself. The necessity of this red dot thing comes from Vecna’s inability to truly ever die. All the other killers have ultimate mortality apart from whatever necromancy keeps them “alive” and killing. Vecna has completely separated himself from death. Even when he dies he reforms after so many centuries. It makes sense that he would need this, but none of the others would.
They should definitely go back and put that mark on a few characters.
Definitely, I would argue it doesn't even ruin the characters design, because of how small it is
Exactly. Put it on parts of the models you can’t usually see. They added a nipple for Artist and Yui. What’s a marking on Demo’s foot or Pyramid Heads hand (under the glove) gonna do?
it'll make some of license holders lose their shit, probably. i think even tiny details like that would need to be in their contract to be suddenly added without re-negotiating.
Behavior also created the dagger Vecna uses.
The dagger is a thing from one of the campaigns Vecna is in. I think its name is Afterthought?
They probably meant to say that it is the first ever time it was visually shown anywhere, even including books
Ah okay, that makes sense.
I think that if you go to the D&D wiki, the picture that is shown for the dagger is taken from DBD
Yeah visually. Not the actual item itself.
Afterthought is established in the lore
Why does Demo need nerfing by the entity? A singular Demogorgon without access to the upside down seems to exactly fit how Demo plays.
I wouldn't have added the nipple part
It helps validate my argument. If they wanna add a detail that pointless, this can be added to other killers
Pointless? I assure you, I think not...
Definitely not. More like, additionally pointy!
Straight to the point I see
Typically most women characters in games have modeled nipples and it’s usually not pointless. It’s to help model clothes better.
They should put a nipple on Demo and PH too
Cool idea, maybe Freddy has a larger one on his glove. Depending on how you power scale wesker (a lot more powerful than people think) it would be cool as shit to like, replace the cat pupils with the mark, it would be like a minor addition to the mori
>They added a nipple for Artist and Yui What?
Oh? Did you not know that? It happened a year or so ago and turns out Yui and Artist have nipples on their character models
I only play since 9 months
How do people know that though?
I think in one of Artist’s skins a nipple was visible and then people looked through the code for the models
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You leave Demo's feet out of this!
Wait could Freddy be getting a cosmetic, oh my goodness
I’d also argue that even if people think it’s still too noticeable playing killer you will never see it ! 10/10 they should
I think if put in the same spot as it is on vecna might be a little distracting on some characters, but if its in a different spot like a wrist it would add pretty well to the design
Distracting to who? The killer's pov is first person (sans Chucky), so the only people seeing it is a survivor
In things like the lobby and from the survivor point of view if you look at the characters neck and see a bright red sigil it would very much be distracting for some characters, sadako being a prime example of this
I don't think too many people would be upset if a red or was on the lower back of thier neck but that's just me, tbh I think it adds character!
Survivors will literally never see it and its miniscule? And who gives af about the lobby lol
Can they even do that without renowing the license? Like didn't they say they can't update Myers model because that's how the license wanted him even if he has comically large hands?
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NOOOOOOO NOT ON PINHEAD
I thought it was implied that Pinhead willingly restrains himself and takes part in the trials simply because it allows him to do what he enjoyed doing anyways: reveling in other people's pain and suffering. I mean his Mori has survivors dragged off to Hell or w/e the Cenobites home realm is. Clearly, he isn't fully restrained by the Entity if he can outright remove survivors from the Entity's realm... not that where they are going isn't any better.
I've heard some argue the entity controls him and his mori only 'sends them back to the campfire'. I prefer to think there's some sort of deal/mutual understanding between Leviathan. He does restrain himself even in the movies so yeah that fits.
I think there definitely is a deal between the entity and the Leviathan, not because they are friends but because the Leviathan, despite being probably weaker than the Entity, is still a really powerful entity. If pinhead(basically Leviathan's top guy) were to be kidnapped by the Entity, the Leviathan wouldn't be pleased, and that could spell trouble for the entity. It's far safer to simply allow pinhead to do what he like while abiding to the entity's rules. That's why a mark of negation wouldn't make sense on him TL;DR: Pinhead shouldn't get a mark of negation because he has daddy Leviathan watching his back
I’m choosing to imagine it’s on some of them, but hidden
Are there any other killers who stand at the same level as Vecna? He's kind of in a league of his own up there.
pinhead, sadako, ph, and myers
Michael is a menace in his own movies but honestly he’s a non-threat to anybody with superhuman stats, seeing as how his power grows on fear but none of the killers in dbd would be particularly afraid of him.
Well it means... most of licensed killers? Both PHs, Sadako(because it's film version, damned bhvr), Freddy and Myers(because i can't explain otherwise why they are bottom tier).
I assume it means magically powerful characters, so PH, Sadako, and Freddy. Also I guess some survivors like Cheryl and Alan Wake really should have it since they have god/reality powers.
Alan can't rewrite reality without the typewriter room, dark place and a story that makes sense. Since he's already written himself into the trials, I believe the Alan that's in the entity's domain is now completely dependant on the whims of the version/loop of himself that wrote that story.
True, I guess if the Entity allowed him in/was created by him, its already accepted whatever damage him being there would cause.
I've been wondering, and doubting, what effect will this have on Control 2 since he must be a big part of it
Nea already has it.
It's already on there. We just can't see them.
Can't wait to find like 5 of those on Freddy
yeah, entity snatched his ass, immediately went 'ah shit wait a second-' and smacked him with an ungodly amount of nerfs so he didnt fuck over the whole thing
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Sharp Hand Joe brings me trauma
Is Freddy really that powerful in his own lore? That's crazy, I always just assumed he was kinda just another slasher (never actually watched the movies lol)
He's not kidding when he says, "You're in my world now."
He’s kind of both underrated and overrated, he is on the level of vecna against people who are sleeping (a god) but can’t do a single thing to you if you are awake because he only exists in the dream world as a ghost.
I can't agree that he's overrated for the sole reason that everyone sleeps sooner or later
In the real world yes but in the entity’s realm it doesn’t seem like anybody ever sleeps
Darn
Damn I miss old Freddy
definitely watch the first 3. great movies, terrifying concept. I was afraid to sleep in the middle of my bed or take a bath.
Freddy basically has his own domain, the dream world. In SCP terms he'd probably be considered a reality bender. But he can only gain power when people know that he exists. I think the entity is still more powerful because at one point Freddy Krueger was a human, and as far as we know the entity is an old one... A lovecraftian old god. Although I'm still not sure if he's on the same level as Nyalarthotep, Shub-niggurath, or even Cthulhu. It's all fiction so I guess it's whatever BHVR decides.
He’s not, he’s been defeated by teenagers multiple times in his own films. The idea of a dream “demon” is cool and he does just like generally kill people but he’s also just a human creeper and likes toying with children specifically. He’s literally just a formerly human guy that can manipulate dreams and is quasi-immortal. Definitely significantly less powerful than the entity. He’s bottlenecked by his generally like average to below average human intelligence. I can’t stress enough that he was Just Some Guy that liked messing with children when he was human, and got a devil deal as a result.
He doesn't manipulate dreams. He has a world to himself where he can bring those he preys on when they sleep. This can apply to literally anyone or anything that sleeps. If the Entity slept, which I doubt, freddy could be a real threat. But i dont think freddy WANTS to leave the trials. He gets to do what he loves forever
Getting smacked by pallets and watch some adults tbagging him?
Bro got nerfed so hard he was rendered nearly mute
i wonder if this applies to pinhead, i wouldnt say leviathan would let that happen to some of his cenobites and they are allowed to leave, this probably does apply to the killers who can kill with their power, like myers, pyramid head, or sadako
I don't think Pinhead is trapped in the trials like some of the other killers though. He just shows up when someone solves the box.
yep, his mori also shows him and the surv leaving to go to leviathan.
Trying to, atleast. The survs don’t actually go back to Leviathans realm, they just return to the campfire. Entity ain’t lettin anyone take its snacks.
Trying to, atleast. The survs don’t actually go back to Leviathan, they just return to the campfire. Entity ain’t lettin anyone take its snacks. Also, not 100% sure but I think Pinhead is actually trapped. He shows up in a trial at the same time as survs, not just when someone solves his box. Plus his portals to leviathan clearly don’t work for survivors, not sure he would be able to get through either. Regardless of whether The Entity or Leviathan is more powerful, they each reign supreme in their own realms. Pinhead is in The Entity’s realm, so he must obey the Entity’s rules.
I've always interpreted it as Pinhead not being trapped, but just messing around and willingly playing by the Entity's rules for the fun of it. Entity would kick him out if he was a problem, but since he plays along everyone gets to be happy. As for the mori, I thought Pinhead was abducting them and taking them home to torture for a bit, but always returning them to the Entity because they have such a good relationship.
Wholesome eldritch horrors?
Exactly! Also, the Cenobite's bio pretty much confirms that he is not trapped, instead Dwight simply found the Box and fucking solved the Lament Configuration, and ...he *came*.
According to lore and this subreddit, the killers who should have a mark are: Vecna - Sadako - Pinhead - Wesker - Freddy - PyramidHead - Nemesis - And dare to say that survivors with that mark should include: Ash - Cheryl
I'm glad they are explaining why he's nerfed from his lore I'm DnD, glad he's here. But I would of loved to see an Illithid or even Strahd
Cote said they planned to use Strahd until they got the Castlevania license.
Honestly my top 3 for D&D were Strahd, Vecna or Tiamat (However that would work)
We got Chucky the tiny killer.. Tiamat the HUGE killer now. It can be done, surely.
Hear me out... Lolth.
They could possibly add Strahd as a skin if Dracula ends up being the killer.
A mindflayer would have been so fun. Could even have a mori sbout consuming the brain of a survivor. While being a full psychic killer
Strahd could have a power around the obsession and it would fit well. He is convinced that they're Tatiana or his brother.
Pinhead and pyramidhead, but I'm not sure if their licenseholders would allow that type of change to them
Would they be as powerful as powerful as Vecna? And if they are, would they be wanting to fight against the Entity? Legit question cuz idk much about either I always figured the two of them would be complicit in working with the Entity, because it provides Pinhead with victims to dole pain out onto, and it's tricked Pyramid Head into believing the survivors are in need of atonement. So even if they're as powerful, they'd be less likely to oppose the Entity because "it is what it is," whereas Vecna is a scheming sonnuva bitch who wouldn't be so easy to tame
>It's tricked Pyramid Head into believing the survivors are in need of atonement. According to Pyramid's lore, it has an unspoken agreement with The Entity for participating in the trials, meaning it's less about being tricked into doing the spider god's bidding and more so that Pyramid Head simply just treats it's obligation like it's just another job.
Vecna might be the only one who really needs it so far. Seems like all the older powerful killers are in the trials willingly or at least have some agreement with the entity.
* Pinhead have no legit reason to leave as the trials are like a vacation for him and any other cenobite, regardless if he actually could leave or not. (which we don't really know if he can) * Pyramid Head is too duty bound to break it's agreement with The Entity. It's duty is also what it's entire existence revolves around in the first place and without it, there is nothing else that it has. * Sadako probably doesn't care a whole alot about her whereabouts to begin with, her sole goal is to spread her rage through cursing others, even if she wanted to leave the realm, she'd probably have just about as much luck with it as all other teleportation killers would. * Chucky straight up loves being in the realm since he say so himself in one of his lobby voiceline, not that he really could leave even if his doll body was destroyed since death is not an escape. Also killing and sacrificing for The Entity means he's killing for someone else other than Damballa. So if Chucky actually managed to somehow leave the realm one day, Damballa would most likely forsake him as a result, similar to how he forsake Chucky in Chucky Season 3. * The rest are trapped to the same degree as the Survivors are regardless if the killer's existence is supernatural or if they have supernatural properties in their powers. Vecna is not only powerful, but ambitious enough to the point where he actively wants the realm and it's secrets, so that he can take it all for himself as it writes in his lore and he says in one of his lobby voicelines. Blight, Doctor & Wesker are probably the three most ambitious killers in the trials outside of Vecna and even they do not have such a level of ambition or the capability to achieve it, even Blight can't do that since for all of the power & attributes the pustula serum grants him, it is still something that originates from The Entity itself, which means it still holds power over him as a result. With all that said however, him getting the mark of negation is most likely for the sake of the trial and the Survivors rather than for The Entity itself, as while Vecna may be really strong and is capable of keeping it at bay for an unknown amount of time, i have high doubts he is strong enough to straight up beat it.
The lore says Vecna willingly allowed himself to be pulled into the realm of the Entity to learn it's secrets and is going along with the trials until he has what he wants to know. I wonder how he feels about how the Entity is nerfing his power cus surely that would mean that now Vecna is a prisoner of the Entity as much as the Survivors now since the entity does not seem like the sort to let it's slaves leave when they like, survivor or not.
The thing is that Vecna has been trapped before by godlike entities and has also broken out of these demi-plane prisons several times. Most of which were before he ascended to godhood and became a godslayer. Unlike other killers Vecna has a track record to betraying or overpowering his captors like the Entity.
This is just tuesday for Vecna.
Might as well be, he lives for a hell of a long time as a lich.
Really? Licenseholders wouldn't allow a small red mark on a character's body? I'm not really educated on copy right law and license holding, but that's ridiculous.
im sure the creator of pyramid head would go crazy if they did that
He’s actually pretty chill, he talked about the upcoming movie’s new design for PH and he seemed ok with it He just basically hates how PH appears in other canon games
Oh snap, well that’s pretty dope then!
the creator of pyramid head already despises his creation as is
he doesn't hate it he just doesn't like it used outside the context of Silent Hill 2. I'm not even sure he'd mind Pyramid Head in DBD, because technically he isn't Red Pyramid Thing, but his own entity who just looks like Pyramid Thing.
Ito has spoken about it here: https://x.com/adsk4/status/1556368734088232960 He basically dislikes that they used Red Pyramid Thing because that's *specifically* James's "demon", and the White Hunters are not unique to James.
I think he was more pissed about PH appearing in other Silent Hill stuff as fan service. Besides, the monster doesn’t belong to him. He’s just the creator. There were other people who made Silent Hill 2 and Pyramid Head happen.
Konami specifically is known to be really anal with their copyright.
Konami is freaky w they copyright???👅
Its more about contracts then laws. If BHVR what's to make a skin for a licensed character they have to get permission so it doesn't damage the brand of licensed character. To get this mark on Vechna, WotC would have given their approval, since it isn't part of his current design, and by adding it, it doesn't harm D&D, infact it make him look more powerful. (Vechna is so powerful a creature who controls an whole dimension needed to nerf his power for him to do as he's told)
I mean Myer's bloody clothing is so lacking because that's all they could get the licenseholders to agree on. The outfits have to be approved by the people who hold the licenses, and they can (and probably have) said no, so those characters don't get too many.
You would be surpised
You underestimate how petty license holders are.
its not even that but (assuming since the devs r very privy about this info for whatever reason) that its a whole process to have edits approved and possibly a new contract for a new design, etc.
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>sneak dissed by The Entity: Pinhead is dropping a 7 minute distrack on the entity. "Hook-phoria"
pinhead wasn’t dragged into the realm, he was summoned
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Pig collecting these like Pokémon cards
Lore wise Amanda is buffed by the killer because she’s a skinny woman carrying 200 pound dudes
Though she is nerfed because there is actually a way out of her reverse bear traps in the trials, which is decidedly NOT a regular Amanda moment:tm:
Maybe she learned her lesson because rigging the traps killed her in the first place.
nope, one of the addons is tampering with the timers to make them activate faster lol
I think many people aren't really understanding that it's not only about power. It's also about intention and necessity. While Vecna pre ascension is still particularly powerful, he's probably nowhere near the Entity's power level. But despite this he's very much a menace to her because he came here with a goal: to find her secrets. And he's experienced, smart and powerful enough to achieve it. The consequences of Vecna, a powerful lich and a soon to be god, escaping with her deepest secrets would be catastrophic to her. That's why Vecna is being kept on a tight leash. On the other hand, basically all powerful killers that we have here aren't really interested in anything that isn't tormenting the survivors. That's why she doesn't need to slap them with the iron glove. Pyramid Head and the entity are working together, they have an agreement, that's why he can retain his powers as far as he abide to the rules, and the same goes for Pinhead. They don't need to be nerfed because they aren't disrupting the trials and they aren't a threat to the Entity
That explains why Demo hasn’t been used to open a portal for the Mind Flayer and, funnily enough, Vecna. I wonder if on all these powerful killers they’re somewhere else on their body. Demo on a foot, Pyramid Head on a hand or Sadako on her hip for example. Pretty cool idea they should add to some killer outfits.
Characters in stranger things are just Easter eggs. They are not really the demogorgon, windflower, and vecna from dnd, right?
No, not at all. The D&D versions are completely different and generally more powerful. (The mindflayer may be on roughly the same scale as its counter part) They just use names as a reference.
Regular Mindflayer would be much weaker than stranger things version, though an Elder Brain or some of the other special Mindflayers are definitely stronger. Real Demogorgan and Vecna are so drastically stronger than the show versions it’s not even funny
Mostly agree but 3.5 they were also spellcasters with a favoured class of wizard which lends a lot of BS. So while a base mindflayer was weaker they could also be a lot stronger. Tbf in 2e which is what they would be playing I don't think that was true and they are hands down weaker. So they have a spread from weaker to stronger. That said yes it was more on the scale of an elder brain and the other two are so massively out of scale with the show counterparts that the powered difference here is negligible.
Yeah, D&D Vecna would dab on ST Vecna without breaking a sweat. Shit, he could probably just turn off ST Vecna’s psychic abilities and proceed to beat him to death with his bare hands.
They are just called that because the kids in the show are dnd fans and need names to refer to these weird aliens they keep finding.
Put a big ass one on Freddy’s back
Feel like pinhead would have a respect for the laws the or order the entity has in its realm that he willingly holds back. As for the Mori I take it like fishing he messes with them in hell and then tosses them back.
a lot of killers have marks on them that are different from this one. Skull Merchant has some carved on her back in her blood moon skin and Spirit has a bunch on her and her sword in one of her shop skins. Would love to know what they all mean
haven’t played dbd in a bit vecnas in the game now?
The Dungeons and Dragons one yes.
About to be in a couple of weeks.
So the cannon is he chose to show up then got nerfed?
when hes coming to the game?? i dont have him yet in finland
June 6 iirc. At the moment he's just on the PC test build
I thought it was June 3rd
June 3rd is a monday, its praobly june 4th
I know, I was surprised too, but it literally says June 3rd on the Twitter post for the chapter reveal
So far, Vecna is the most powerful killer in the realm, as he is the only one powerful enough to need the mark of negation
It really should be on Pyramid Head right? Also I guess Freddy since the Entity tampered with his powers.
I would expect if for Freddy, he doesn't really seem like the type to abide other people's rules for long. If ever.
If he had a ounce of Vecna's smarts he'd be planning on how to take over the realm probably.
I guess it would matter if Freddy could be a potential threat to begin with. Does the Entity even sleep? If not, then Freddy is effectively powerless against the Entity. I haven't watched the movies in a long time. I don't think he can force people to sleep either.
I've always been under the impression that the entity has no real power to keep pyramid head in the realm and he only stays through a mutual agreement
I'd rather it be more discreet than glowing like this, but whatever lol
I hope they don’t go back and add this to more killers. I think it’s just annoying to look at.
Sounds like it's some-what based on the Wand of Negation from the AD&D era of Forgotten Realms. IIRC that gave like a 50 or 75% chance for a struck magic item to fail on attempted use from then on.
if you zoom in closely you will be able to see the pig portrait
Vecna broke free from the Dark Powers of Ravenloft so its not like this is his first rodeo playing Dragon to a formless shapeless nightmare dimensionlord.
No they shouldn’t add it to other killers already in the game because they are not a threat to the Entity. Vecna definitely is. The Entity has actually made some of the killers stronger in its realm.
That logo is the loading screen logo
Doesn’t Sable have that tattoo on her thigh?
Yea but it's a "cult" symbol that's widely to be believed to mean "The Entity". It appears in a few other places in-game too.
KAMUI!!!!!!
That explains why freddy is the way he is
Negation?
Negation
This is very cool. I also wanna know the secrets of the Entity.
He also has a heart on his butt ♥
 Entity, “It’s ok. I have this handy dandy inhibitor chip.” Vecna:
As much as some other liscened killers should have these, there’s probably legal issues behind it
Legion definitely tattooed that on eachother
In that case freddy would be a red glowing gumball
My inner monk want to squeeze it. 
Considering Vecna actually managed to stand up against the Lady of Pain, I am not surprised he may allow himself to be captured on purpose lol
it’s such an amazing detail
Is vecna the strongest killer lore wise in the game? Off the top of my head there's no killer that's a literal god.
Now this makes me Wonder how many curent characters in the realm has that symbol
Always remember Licensing. DnD allowed dbd to add that mark for in game lore. Other characters from other companies may not want their IP given a tattoo
Its neat
It’s his bumhole
I didn’t even know Vecna was in dbd. Where did I miss this
Definitely wished for a beholder instead of vecna
It's a really cool detail and is certainly needed as other killers might be powerful entities in their own right, but Vecna is a straight up god
A lot of dnd fans are upset but it makes a lot of sense for vecnas character. His thirst for knowledge is his main motivator, and as an immortal god lich he's seen most things. the entities realm must be like heaven to him with all the new things he's seeing and experiencing.
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Time to make a list of killers that should have it ~~and write fanfictions about how much of a bummer that must be. Like imagine some spider god just cutting off your hand to nerf you. I feel like Wesker speciffically would have a breakdown~~
Who copyed who, i saw this exact same thing but in a youtube video like word for word. Are you the same person ?
It would look pretty out of place on Sadako imo
Just smack it on her forehead
Dude, you're so right 👀
That’s where he carries his drivers license and flesh light
All these Godlike killers and the Entity keeps smacking these seals onto Pig instead.
The mark of the nerf touches all
By DnD lore, Vecna is far more powerful as a being than any other killer in the game, possibly the entity itself. I don’t know enough about the entity to say for sure, but in the new DnD campaign, Vecna is literally in the process of rewriting existence itself. The necessity of this red dot thing comes from Vecna’s inability to truly ever die. All the other killers have ultimate mortality apart from whatever necromancy keeps them “alive” and killing. Vecna has completely separated himself from death. Even when he dies he reforms after so many centuries. It makes sense that he would need this, but none of the others would.
Im my head canon sadako has this mark but its placed on her physical body that's currently rotting in the well
If they're gonna add this to Sadako can she have it as a weapon, that would look cool as fuck
I mean, Vecna is a god from one if the most thought out and powerful narratives in active fiction, im astonished the entity can even constrain him