Why even have dog laws if criminals are just going to bring dogs wherever they want anyway?
I'm going to bring my dog into the OR next week during Grandma's heart replacement because this is America. Grampa didn't die fighting communism so grandma wouldn't not get dog hair in her ventricles.
Yesterday at the Charlotte airport, there was a random dog walking around inside the baggage claim with no leash. He was loosely following a guy, but the guy wasn’t paying him any attention. There were other dogs with leashes and service signs that the dog kept trying to antagonize, and I was just waiting to see if the unleashed dog would start attacking them. I hope security said something to the guy, because that wasn’t cool at all.
(Editing because trolls keep saying this was a service dog):
The guy wasn’t disabled. The dog wasn’t wearing a collar or sign. It wasn’t well trained and was stopping to look and bark at the other dogs, which is why I expected it to start a fight. It may not have even been the guys dog at all, it was just following him as he walked and he never once acknowledged it.
The amount of trolls trying to argue with me about this is ridiculous and you will all be blocked. I work at the airport, I know the laws, and I see service dogs all day. THIS WAS NOT A SERVICE DOG AND THIS MAN WAS NOT DISABLED. It wasn’t even with him, it was just loosely following him.
Don’t bring your dog inside the airport without a leash, PERIOD, I don’t care how well trained you think it may be, or whether you consider it a “service dog” or not. You won’t be able to easily pull it away when it’s fighting with another animal. Use your brain.
Blocking all trolls and bots that try to argue about this being a service dog because you weren’t there and didn’t see what I saw.
I flew out of Charlotte last year and a woman had a dog in the boarding line a few folks ahead of me; it started pooping in the line and the woman was just catching it with her hands.
I guess there was nothing else to really do, but if you're traveling with a dog you need to be more prepared for things like that.
I have four dogs, I love them, I love my friends' dogs, etc.
I really don't like this 'take dogs everywhere' culture that's grown up in the last ten/twenty years. Go out to get a beer and I'm constantly waiting for a random dog fight to break out.
Seriously. Kinda like the teacup poodle I saw at Disneyland weaving back and forth between people while walking behind the owner. We all know the dog wasn’t a service animal.
Even if it was, it's perfectly legal to kick out service animals if they are behaving poorly. A lot of places just don't want to risk catching heat for it
Exactly this. As someone with a real service dog he gets grabbed at or people reaching for him or wanting him to smell there hand etc the most at the airport/flying. They’re always disappointed when he doesn’t even seem to know they’re there. I feel like he gets the most serious at the airport because of all the stimulation
Until the FAA changes the rules not much can be done. There needs to be a federal certification program for service dogs and then the FAA can require that certification. But that’s big bad regulation (/s). As usual, a handful of assholes ruin what is a legitimate need for many.
It’s not though. All we need is a certification program. No papers for your pet, no flying with your pet. Forging papers, like forging an ID card is a felony.
Problem solved.
What we haven’t seen (yet, I don’t think) is a well-publicized incident on video. A dog mauling a child, a dog jumping on and knocking over and injuring an elderly person, a dog shitting all over the floor next to an immune compromised person, etc… it is, sadly, inevitable.
And just like a school of children getting shot up didn’t do anything about gun violence that also won’t do shit.
Dogs are second only to guns and beer in this country and far FAR ahead of any consideration for human life.
It is the only way it gets fixed. A licensed certification program that requires traceability, not just Amazon creativity. And I hate more regulation but this is an area that needs it.
You can’t have peanuts on some flights but you can bring a two muscular 80lbs, obviously not trained, animals that can snap bones in half on a flight with people who maybe terrified of animals or have bad allergies.
I agree with you about a regulation. I don’t see why the ADA couldn’t require one. People who train professional service animals spend thousands of hours training them for tasks and the animals costs a fortune. Why does Karen get to side-step all of that? It’s total nonsense.
Make it make sense.
It’s not required because 1) the cost of implementing the program, setting up the database, retroactively testing/certifying all the current dogs, etc. 2) You are making the assumption that all dogs are trained by a trainer. Many excellent service dogs are owner trained. 3) There is no current registration for TRAINERS, either, so if you want even owner trained dogs tested by a certified trainer, then THAT is yet another hurdle.
Don’t automatically say “only trainer trained dogs allowed”, either. The cost of a “professionally” (and I use that term loosely because anyone training for $$ is a pro, there is no registration/oversight here either) is 20K to 40K, and so very many people who benefit from a service dog simply cannot afford that. Some of the best service dogs I’ve seen were owner trained.
So - while I’m not in disagreement that some sort of oversight is desperately needed, a federal registry would take YEARS to get moving, be incredibly expensive, and would put a very large barrier to access that many disabled folk cannot surmount. I wish I had a real answer. :(
Everyone hates regulation until it’s something that occasionally and minorly inconveniences them. Then they’re all about regulating. Sometimes it’s not just things that inconvenience them either, sometimes it doesn’t affect them at all too. It’s crazy the world we live in.
Ps: hate unregulated animals on planes too.
The FAA already allows airlines to block passengers when their alleged service dog is creating a disturbance. This is a clear situation where the airport or airline could kick this person out of the airport.
FYI there is a system in place if you check in at the gate as you’re suppose to . They ask for the paperwork and bust your balls. Also you’re suppose to call a couple days before and confirm on the phone.
But if you do self check in then no one will voluntarily stop you and ask
My gf has a service dog . They are annoying everytime at the gate check in
The ADA doesn’t apply on aircraft. There, it’s the ACAA, which does allow airlines to require an attestation form. It doesn’t require any additional info about the passenger or dog’s training etc., just the handler’s promise that it is a service dog.
That is a perfect solution. It could work just like TSA precheck, where you purchase your ticket and the service dog registration is part of the passenger id. Then the passenger has to show service dog id at security and again at the gate. The passenger boarding pass would have a special logo to indicate the service dog was joining them. Certifications, id, and a paper trail, just like us regular passengers.
> an obvious oversight in the rules that people abuse at the cost of other ~~passengers~~ people
This is pretty much the US across the board right now. From politics to traffic laws, it's a shit show of main character syndrome.
Yeah, I feel like the US no longer functions based on what is right or wrong. It seems like the general modus operandi for literally everything is what is obviously wrong; but nobody has been injured, killed, or scammed on a scale to do something about it yet.
It's a purely American thing. Every time I return to the country I see dogs in more and more places. Restaurants, grocery stores, planes, gyms. I don't see this in any of the other countries I travel to.
It's main character syndrome. And no one will do anything to stop them
I’ve started seeing it more and more where I’m at, dogs in Costco, the mall, grocery stores. It’s absolutely bizarre. Half the time it’s a tiny yappy dog in someone’s bag, but you’ll also see random medium sized breeds. I have a dog, he’s great, but I can’t imagine being so physically attached to him that I’d pass him off as a service animal. There’s also no reason in my mind that Karen’s Yorkshire terrier absolutely MUST accompany her into a grocery store full of people and food.
I'm always amazed how immaculately dogs seems to be trained when visiting large European cities though. I'll see owners with perfectly trained unleashed dogs walking through crowded areas. God help us if the average American dog owner tried to do that.
It’s happening at restaurant’s everywhere too. You can’t even ask questions other than what service is the dog trained to perform. You can’t require that they have any special leash or vest (in my state at least) to indicate they are service animals so these fake vests people buy are just a waste for the purpose of you can’t go to a restaurant like a normal human being without your dog at the table too.
As one commenter said, eventually an incident will happen, or something will go viral enough to bring attention to the issue. The two pressures airlines face are financial and Congressional — anything that hurts their earnings or when Congress (or the government) gets involved.
I think pressure should come from the disability rights community, as people are abusing ADA protections to bring pets on board. Short of that, maybe we start complaining to airlines or writing to senators
It’s similar to how emotional support animals went. It was a thing until it wasn’t. But obviously the tougher part of this is that there are real service dogs and people with those needs. So something legit has to be in place.
What airlines could maybe do is seat people with service animals in one space (ie back of plane to avoid interaction) and require them to deplane last, etc. But the crappy thing is it punishes those who actually do have real service animals (and basically acknowledges that people are faking it because a trained service dogs don’t need to avoid other passengers, etc.
The disability rights community would be against most of the ideas in this thread. Their lives are difficult enough without more hoops to jump through.
I'm glad to see you bring this up. A lot of people in here are suggesting policies that would cost legitimate users of service animals extra time and money.
These people are disabled, we shouldn't be imposing more difficulties upon them.
Last time we flew Delta I expressly communicated that my daughter has an assistive device (rollator) but does not require assistance or wheelchair transfer. Someone showed up each and every leg of the flight to and from our destination and needed multiple reassurance from myself and her that we didn’t need assistance. They were nice but it was waaaay too much.
Honestly, I don’t mind the airlines erring on the side of accommodation in the case of your daughter. The real problem is all the people who request wheelchairs so they can board first. Oftentimes these same people won’t request wheelchairs when they arrive.
The airlines actually encourage people to take the wheelchairs as it speeds up boarding. I hurt my knee a few years ago, and was in a brace that was visible. I wasn’t even walking slower. The GA requested I pre-board and even suggested a wheelchair. After I explained I was fine and she realized that, she said it’s requested to help keep boarding faster as while a small amount of folks might abuse the privilege, far more people are too proud to ask for help and it can slow down the whole process when they don’t pre-board and slowdown the whole line.
Obviously not true of everyone, but for people with POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome) it's not unusual to need a wheelchair for departure but not arrival.
I can walk for ages, no problem. But if I stand in one place, my blood pressure drops. Extreme low blood pressure causes disorientation, confusion, vertigo, nausea, and fainting.
So anywhere I have to be in a long line- like TSA -I have to be able to sit. Leaving the airport, I wait until I can walk off the plane without a crowd, and can just walk through the airport without another line if I'm flying domestic.
Personally, I hate being pushed in a wheelchair, so I travel with a rollator that has a seat on it. But for others, being escorted in a chair to the plane saves them from fainting in long lines, but they don't need it when leaving. Just one of the conditions where this is true.
My 94 year old grandfather (who doesn't look a day over 70) will use a chair to get to the plane when he is worried about getting there quickly, but prefers to walk off and take his time, stop a few times through the airport to rest on the way.
Neither of us likes boarding early. We'd rather be on the plane as little as possible.
POTS used to be a rare disease. Every time I went to a new doctor, I would have to educate them on it. Unfortunately, a lot of people developed POTS post-COVID. It's now so common that if I go to any medical professional and say that I have it, I don't even have to spell out what the POTS stands for, they have many other patients with it and know all about it.
Just want to add my 2 cents here. POTS is not new, it’s been around forever, it just didn’t have a name or treatment plan. Now that it does, many people are diagnosed with it, similar to Autism.
Remember those old stories where the woman swooned? POTS, they just called her a fainter.
Who fucking cares? Why be so petty as to try to judge if you think someone needs or doesn’t need a wheelchair? You’ll get on the plane just like everyone else. This avarice and envy are just childish and gross.
In the ancient times we had different assistance codes we could add to a person's reservation. WCHR, WCHS, WCHC, and maybe a few others. It's been 20 years and I still remember the whole code to add them to a reservation lol
That's pretty remarkable! I travel with a rollator, they always make me gate-check it, but then it's never there when I get off the plane. So then we have to wait to call for a wheelchair, which may or may not eventually show up.
Last trip on the way there it came out at baggage claim missing a few vital bolts , so we had to find a hardware store first thing. Coming home, it was lost and I had to wait over three hours for them to find it.
You cant judge the need for one on outside appearance. I do agree that this has been overused by ppl wanting special boarding etc but some like myself you cannot tell from looking at me. I never ever use one but there are days i can hardly move and should but you wouldn't know it by looking at me
I got fucked by American Airlines for wheelchair assist because I don't look disabled and I'm young.
I had nerve damage from a spinal injury and I was in a lot of pain and was flying to see my Doctor.
The American Airlines lady denied me the wheelchair I requested (curbside), and demanded to know what was wrong with me, which doesn't sound very ADA compliant but whatever. She also demanded that I stand and walk and ridiculed me the entire time as she did. I was in so much pain that I just left my bags that my husband dropped off for me by her weigh station and sat down to call customer service. Which caused her to scream even more.
It was a scary and humiliating and extremely painful experience. I eventually got the wheelchair thanks to a kind airport worker that came up to me and asked me what was wrong and that he would be happy to push me. He talked to the American Airlines lady and sorted it out for me.
Fuck American Airlines. It was malicious and cruel.
I swear airlines just hire the bitchiest, fuck everyone else people to be in their customer service. Recently had an issue with a United gate agent who was a massive cunt, regardless of me asking nicely about a flight they canceled at the gate.
had a O’Hare security person or something get angry at me for trying to ask where the exit was, supposedly i walked up to them “aggressively” and they never had anyone ask where the exit was before i was lost in that airport for like 40 minutes just trying to exit
My first job out of high school was at a major movie theatre chain, and I ultimately worked up to operating a handful of them across various states in the US. I quit that shit back in 2019, but in those last few years, the amount of dogs people would bring in absolutely skyrocketed. Always causing disruptions in theatres by barking, jumping up and down on seats, whimpering (likely from the bass in the sound), etc. Shitting and pissing on floors.
I successfully removed ONE customer from a theatre and the next one called corporate, gave some BS sob story, and I was told "just let it happen" from that point on. 100% of people say it's some emotional support animal or would immediately say "YOU CANT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS."
Every person in this country knows what a true service dog is. How they act in public, their demeanor.. it's a damn shame that losers who are incapable of being separated from their pet for a few hours have to ruin it for folks who actually require one.
How can I tell if an animal is really a service animal and not just a pet?
To determine if an animal is a service animal, you may ask two questions:
Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability?
What work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
It’s not just about the two questions, though. Airlines should be assessing the behavior of dogs.
If a dog is repeatedly barking, growling, lunging, or otherwise clearly not under the control of the handler, then it doesn’t matter if the handler can give valid answers to the two questions. The dog can be barred from flying or made to fly as a pet because it doesn’t pass the behavioral attestation component required by the DOT form.
According to the USDOT website:
**How do airlines determine whether an animal is a service animal?**
* Airlines can determine whether an animal is a service animal or pet by:
* Asking an individual with a disability if the animal is required to accompany the passenger because of a disability and what work or task the animal has been trained to perform;
* Looking for physical indicators such as the presence of a harness or vests;
* Looking to see if the animal is harnessed, leashed, or otherwise tethered; and
* Observing the behavior of the animal.
[https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/service-animals](https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/service-animals)
Serious question. Some airlines also allow pets that aren't service animals on with a fee. Are we upset at the owners that lie about their dog being a service animal when they clearly aren't?
I've had to travel with a pomeranian puppy to bring him home. Am I a monster? I never tried to pass him off as a service animal and he was in his bag entire time, I paid the fee. I'm not being snarky, just genuinely curious about people's thoughts there.
I *wish* there were more options for bringing pets (eg, larger non-service dogs) onboard… putting them in the hold is a non-starter. I’d be happy to buy them a seat, pay a fee, pay for specific training, put them in a muzzle, etc.. but sadly there really aren’t any good options
I hope that someday we (dog owners) could have a flight that is just for pet owners. Something of a monthly flight or something like that. It would be awesome
I would love this across all forms of transportation. I currently travel from Texas to Iowa twice a year for the holidays: Thanksgiving for a week and Christmas for two. I fly for Thanksgiving, but I drive for Christmas so I can bring my pets with me, and that drive SUCKS. Its a 16 hour drive, and thankfully one of my parents will fly down so I don't have to make the trip alone, and we usually split it between two days so it's a little more bearable, but I would love to have the option to pay for an extra seat on a plane or for a private cabin on a train so I didn't have to make the drive. Unfortunately, tho, all forms of mass transit have a limit of 20lbs, which is fine for my cats, but not so much for my dog.
I flew with my dog on the same flight. But I had to keep him in his carrier the whole time. And there are specific requirements for having a pet-in-cabin. Like the dog has to be in the carrier the whole time and under a certain weight. So, it baffles me that anything other than a legit service animal is allowed to sit at the feet of their owner outside of a carrier
If the dog barks/growls at other people or animals, is not harnessed, jumps on or causes injuries or displays disruptive behavior and demonstrates it has not been trained properly can be grounds for removal from the aircraft.
People literally call into the airline how do I get the letter for my dog? What letter? The one so I don't have to pay a pet in cabin fee.
Fucking jackasses.
Only x number of dogs on the plane. So lil elderly blind women couldn't take hers cause you're an asshole. Lots of fucking assholes.
In 3 years I’ll have to take an international flight to move again for the military, with a dog who will likely be too old to ride under the plane anymore.
Can’t wait to get my shit bashed in on this sub like I have another choice other than giving my 12 year old dog up.
I know there’s a lot of bad people who ruin this for others, but fuck man, redditors just love to assume the lives of everyone and post them as opposed to just talking to people.
You either change the law so Delta doesn’t get sued for discrimination, or you shut up about it. Delta makes it harder than any other airline to bring a service dog on board. Fake or not, they did the paperwork if they got on the airplane.
So write your congressmen about it and go from there.
It seems like this is something TSA should get involved in, no? Its potentially a safety risk for the flight to have an untrained animal in the cabin.
Legitimate certified service dogs go through rigorous training, and if they can be visibly observed to be acting erratically then TSA should step in and remove them from a flight. Though, they’ll inevitably have to deal with some social media backlash….
lol. I just saw a TSA working dog and a service dog wagging tails and licking each other in ATL a week ago—should they both be sent to pasture for exhibiting dog behavior.
Side note: TSA can’t do anything. Ever.
I watched Air Canada refuse a “service dog” at LaGuardia once. This yappy little terrier type dog kept lunging, growling, and attempting to bite everyone who walked by. The agent told her to find a crate or go home. She went home. I was relieved because that thing wouldn’t have shut up the entire flight. So yeah, they can keep a dog off a flight based on it’s poor behavior.
I feel sorry for American internal flights. So many of them cater to entitled dog nutters. What about those that are allergic or have a phobia?!
Dogs don’t belong on planes.
My dog is way better behaved but not a service animal and I’m still forking over the travel fee and not slapping a vest that says service animal. This is why we can’t have nice things
I am a retired Delta F/A. We had a woman from LGA get on with her huge dog saying he was he a “service” dog. As the First Officer was going to do his walk around before take off the dog bit him. She and her dog were thrown off the airplane and she was banned from flying with another animal.
Because of her we were delayed for two hours while we got another first officer.
Everywhere you go, someone has their "emotionally support dog." No folks. Unless it is trained and a legitimate service dog, please do not bring your pet.
They need to do an overhaul of the laws.
The biggest problem is the ADA provision that you can't even ask for proof that it is a service dog. That unfortunately needs to be reversed and service animals should be required to openly display their certification.
The law should be that Service Animals:
* Service animals need to fit very specific training
* They need to be for very specific conditions
* The need to wear a high visibility red harness in pubic
* A laminated copy of their certification must be visible on the harness. The certification does not need to disclose the person's condition but must include a physical describe of the animal and have emergency contact information for a lost animal or downed person.
* Be allowed anywhere their person is allowed, regardless of normal animal rules except in very rare exception defined in the law.
* Falsely claiming an animal is a service animal, including putting a service animal harness on a non-service animal should be a felony.
* Interfering with a service animal or refusing t allow it in a place were service animals are required to be allowed should be a misdemeanor.
Therapy animals need to:
* Be prescribed by a doctor
* Be harnessed in public with a 'therapy animal' harness which must be distinctly not a red service animal harness
* The animal does not require special training or certification but can have it.
* Businesses have the right, but not the requirement, to refuse service to the owner in places where animals are not normally allowed.
* Businesses, especially airlines, can discriminate on the type of therapy animals they allow, including imposing training certification requirements.
* Businesses can refuse to serve the owner and require them to leave even if they normally allow therapy animals if the animal is not harnessed or ill behaved.
🥰 I am an avid, dog lover and golden retrievers are one of my favorites, that being said, this lady is totally taking advantage of something that is needed by many people. People like her should be blacklisted from flying.
This isn’t even after security. She’s obviously standing near the entrance of the airport. No bags nothing. So you mean to say you recorded a random woman with dogs before you even passed security and she just so happened to be on your flight? GTFOH you’re just lying and trying to get people riled up.
one time, a woman bought a first class seat for her faux service dog (no vest or leash) on my flight. i had to do a double take as i was walking past because the dog was sitting on a few blankets and looked so cozy! the woman also had her eye mask on already, clearly to avoid the stares and eye rolls… (including an eye roll from me)
The problem is the way the law is written. We deal with it at my place of employment every single day (a public library). The only question you are allowed to ask if “What service is your dog trained to provide?” The person just has to answer you; they don’t need to prove it or produce evidence. Obviously with such limitations, people are going to take advantage all over the place. It’s why you see dogs literally everywhere, including restaurants, nowadays.
When I worked retail, fake service dogs were almost a daily occurrence. People often get very aggressive if confronted over it. We'd have some hulking untrained pitbull jumping on people and barking that would be wearing a service animal harness. Not fooling anyone. I even had people threaten to steal if I refused them service
I don't know how check in wouldn't catch that. Unless she checked in at a kiosk, but they still have to check papers? I'd have denied her. Ex Delta here.
Make a license for them expensive without a verifiable diagnosis and prescription and require that they have to be wearing a special vest. Also, public places have to enforce the rules. Seeing a dog in a grocery store or home depot because you need emotional support to buy food or construction supplies is ludicrous.
It's the fault of whoever made the rules not to require paperwork or licensing. It was a system built to fail from the start. Until they start allowing people to be questioned about their service animal, people will continue to abuse the system.
Trained service dogs would not act like that. Time for airlines to demand proof of training. I would be royally pissed if I had to share my space with two large dogs.
It’s only a matter of time before there is a serious enough incident (and accompanying lawsuit) that much stricter controls are put in place by airlines or a federal authority.
For example, some idiot will take their violent dog on a flight as a service animal and it will attack a passenger or crew.
Can’t come soon enough. It’s an airplane not a petco. This also makes people who really need their service animal look bad as well because of the negative attention towards people with poorly behaved “service” animals.
I knew somebody who kept a wheelchair in the garage for when she flew. She had a drooly mean old dog that would wear a tattered service vest, and she would call for special transportation to the airport. She would pull the poor little old me game in the wheelchair with her growling dog. This is a woman who could climb onto the roof to fix a wire. Once she came back and was disgruntled because the dog farted all during the flight home. I laughed and she got mad at me.
I love dogs my K9 boy is one of the best parts of my life. That being said it’s getting absurd. The amount of dogs I see in grocery stores and restaurants is absurd. A holes ruin it for the rest of us and will eventually turn the public from being reasonable in regards to where dogs are allowed.
Animals just flat out shouldn’t be allowed on airlines. Unless a government certified “service” dog. If all airlines would agree, then they don’t need to lander to these selfish people. No airline would have and advantage.
Hot take: Maybe airlines should come up with a process for dog owners to fly with their larger dogs in the cabin or accessible from the cabin. Something like, last 4 rows, have to buy out the whole side of the row, etc. Only a certain number of dogs per flight, etc.
Give people a safe, legal option for their dogs that isn't baggage, charge a fair, but hefty, fee and problem is solved.
I hate that you don't have to have a license for your service animal. The animal or owner should be required to wear it at all times in places where animals would not normally be allowed.
I don’t like people faking things to bend the rules. I love dogs. You should just be able to just take your dog on the plane with an additional ticket and limitations.
So, imo you don’t do anything about it. Downvote me if you wish
I wish we would stop filming every person we don't like and posting partial clips of them with no context and anonymously. I'm more concerned about that.
I have no dog in this fight, but it's just as obnoxious as pretending your dog is a service animal.
Just flew from DTW to LAX....at DTW this border collie is wearing a service animal vest by the tome we land the vest is gone. It is obvious that the dog is well behaved nut not a trained service animal. Did not take up the expected position next to their handler while walking etc
I wish they would create a registry and make it a felony to impersonate a service animal.
I loudly say “NO!” When people’s fake service dogs start to approach me. I love animals, but I cannot trust a person that has a service dog vest on an animal that is clearly not trained. Therefore, I cannot trust that animal.
Some guy had his big old bulldog across the aisle from me. Dog was fine except for the farting.
We landed. I had to pee and was anxious to get off but of course obeyed plane etiquette and let those in front move out first. I stepped into the aisle, looked at dog guy and said, ‘I really have to go.’
He had the nerve to want to cut in front of me by telling me, ‘so does he.’
Goddammit, no dude.
Look, I was on a Soutwest flight, the same thing happened. They whole flight the FAs were playing with the dog, carrying it around the cabin. It was not a service dog. It was supposed to be crated under the seat. At arrival, they came from behind me, trying to hurry. (I was on row 2, them on row 3) They dog (again supposed to be in a carrier) shit on the aisle and the whole plane had to wait for them to come clean it.
The only time I have ever reported FA behavior. They encourage it , actively participated and were ultimately responsible for not telling them to keep the dog in its little crate.
It needs to go viral for a fix. If you have a child you can spare to get bit, that’ll usually put the spotlight on the situation and get some politician who wants to get reelected to grab on to the collective rage.
Rules are for the rest of us; not the entitled.
Why even have dog laws if criminals are just going to bring dogs wherever they want anyway? I'm going to bring my dog into the OR next week during Grandma's heart replacement because this is America. Grampa didn't die fighting communism so grandma wouldn't not get dog hair in her ventricles.
Screw it, just let the dog do the surgery.
Doggie Howser, MD
First the NBA, now HCA.
There’s nothing in the rule book that says a dog can’t do major surgery
There’s nothing in the rule book that says a dog can’t do surgery
My God, you're right, and we just lost our star anesthesiologist. It's time for Airway Bud.
Can always lick the wound
This only applies if you sit in seat 2A.
Yesterday at the Charlotte airport, there was a random dog walking around inside the baggage claim with no leash. He was loosely following a guy, but the guy wasn’t paying him any attention. There were other dogs with leashes and service signs that the dog kept trying to antagonize, and I was just waiting to see if the unleashed dog would start attacking them. I hope security said something to the guy, because that wasn’t cool at all. (Editing because trolls keep saying this was a service dog): The guy wasn’t disabled. The dog wasn’t wearing a collar or sign. It wasn’t well trained and was stopping to look and bark at the other dogs, which is why I expected it to start a fight. It may not have even been the guys dog at all, it was just following him as he walked and he never once acknowledged it. The amount of trolls trying to argue with me about this is ridiculous and you will all be blocked. I work at the airport, I know the laws, and I see service dogs all day. THIS WAS NOT A SERVICE DOG AND THIS MAN WAS NOT DISABLED. It wasn’t even with him, it was just loosely following him. Don’t bring your dog inside the airport without a leash, PERIOD, I don’t care how well trained you think it may be, or whether you consider it a “service dog” or not. You won’t be able to easily pull it away when it’s fighting with another animal. Use your brain. Blocking all trolls and bots that try to argue about this being a service dog because you weren’t there and didn’t see what I saw.
I flew out of Charlotte last year and a woman had a dog in the boarding line a few folks ahead of me; it started pooping in the line and the woman was just catching it with her hands. I guess there was nothing else to really do, but if you're traveling with a dog you need to be more prepared for things like that. I have four dogs, I love them, I love my friends' dogs, etc. I really don't like this 'take dogs everywhere' culture that's grown up in the last ten/twenty years. Go out to get a beer and I'm constantly waiting for a random dog fight to break out.
Agree. I think dogs are probably happier at home too.
I dunno if I had a poop catcher following me around town that'd be pretty neat
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Always carry treats to the airport. See an unleashed dog and chuck the snack across the concourse!
She needs two service dogs? Wouldn't that be a red flag?
She has multiple personality disorder, needs one dog for each personality
What a lightweight. Only two personalities? Pfft
More like a C*** disorder
Which is why she needed 2: one for Tuesday and one for Thursday. 😂
And they’re clearly not under her control. Service dogs don’t behave like that.
Yeah, they obviously want everyone to pet them, which is not how a service dog would act. At least they're friendly but still ridiculous.
Seriously. Kinda like the teacup poodle I saw at Disneyland weaving back and forth between people while walking behind the owner. We all know the dog wasn’t a service animal.
Even if it was, it's perfectly legal to kick out service animals if they are behaving poorly. A lot of places just don't want to risk catching heat for it
Exactly this. As someone with a real service dog he gets grabbed at or people reaching for him or wanting him to smell there hand etc the most at the airport/flying. They’re always disappointed when he doesn’t even seem to know they’re there. I feel like he gets the most serious at the airport because of all the stimulation
A service isn't supposed to flinch when anyone and or another dog walks by.. def shouldn't be jumping up and down and preparing to pounce
Her service dog needs a service dog to function
That was my first thought also
I had someone tell me their service dog needed a service dog. Yeah ... NO.
Until the FAA changes the rules not much can be done. There needs to be a federal certification program for service dogs and then the FAA can require that certification. But that’s big bad regulation (/s). As usual, a handful of assholes ruin what is a legitimate need for many.
The rule will change when someone gets attacked by a service dog, and the owner and airline get sued. Entirely foreseeable event.
That has happened—fake service dogs have freaked out inflight, bitten people, squirmed loose, shat in the aisles—and no policy changes ensue.
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It’s not though. All we need is a certification program. No papers for your pet, no flying with your pet. Forging papers, like forging an ID card is a felony. Problem solved.
What we haven’t seen (yet, I don’t think) is a well-publicized incident on video. A dog mauling a child, a dog jumping on and knocking over and injuring an elderly person, a dog shitting all over the floor next to an immune compromised person, etc… it is, sadly, inevitable.
And just like a school of children getting shot up didn’t do anything about gun violence that also won’t do shit. Dogs are second only to guns and beer in this country and far FAR ahead of any consideration for human life.
"Rules are written in blood."
It is the only way it gets fixed. A licensed certification program that requires traceability, not just Amazon creativity. And I hate more regulation but this is an area that needs it.
You can’t have peanuts on some flights but you can bring a two muscular 80lbs, obviously not trained, animals that can snap bones in half on a flight with people who maybe terrified of animals or have bad allergies. I agree with you about a regulation. I don’t see why the ADA couldn’t require one. People who train professional service animals spend thousands of hours training them for tasks and the animals costs a fortune. Why does Karen get to side-step all of that? It’s total nonsense. Make it make sense.
It’s not required because 1) the cost of implementing the program, setting up the database, retroactively testing/certifying all the current dogs, etc. 2) You are making the assumption that all dogs are trained by a trainer. Many excellent service dogs are owner trained. 3) There is no current registration for TRAINERS, either, so if you want even owner trained dogs tested by a certified trainer, then THAT is yet another hurdle. Don’t automatically say “only trainer trained dogs allowed”, either. The cost of a “professionally” (and I use that term loosely because anyone training for $$ is a pro, there is no registration/oversight here either) is 20K to 40K, and so very many people who benefit from a service dog simply cannot afford that. Some of the best service dogs I’ve seen were owner trained. So - while I’m not in disagreement that some sort of oversight is desperately needed, a federal registry would take YEARS to get moving, be incredibly expensive, and would put a very large barrier to access that many disabled folk cannot surmount. I wish I had a real answer. :(
Everyone hates regulation until it’s something that occasionally and minorly inconveniences them. Then they’re all about regulating. Sometimes it’s not just things that inconvenience them either, sometimes it doesn’t affect them at all too. It’s crazy the world we live in. Ps: hate unregulated animals on planes too.
This!! Require a KTN for service animals when booking a ticket.
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As far as a national registry goes, there’s also a ton of costs associated with something like that, and a large amount of privacy concerns as well.
Please let me jump on the soapbox with you!
The FAA already allows airlines to block passengers when their alleged service dog is creating a disturbance. This is a clear situation where the airport or airline could kick this person out of the airport.
It’s the Department of Transportation on animal air travel that regulates this.
FYI there is a system in place if you check in at the gate as you’re suppose to . They ask for the paperwork and bust your balls. Also you’re suppose to call a couple days before and confirm on the phone. But if you do self check in then no one will voluntarily stop you and ask My gf has a service dog . They are annoying everytime at the gate check in
There is no paperwork for service animals though. Anyone carrying supposed papers bought them
I think they’re referring to the DOT paperwork that the owner has to fill out before the flight.
Which the owner self-certifies, and the airlines have no way to validate.
The ADA doesn’t apply on aircraft. There, it’s the ACAA, which does allow airlines to require an attestation form. It doesn’t require any additional info about the passenger or dog’s training etc., just the handler’s promise that it is a service dog.
That is a perfect solution. It could work just like TSA precheck, where you purchase your ticket and the service dog registration is part of the passenger id. Then the passenger has to show service dog id at security and again at the gate. The passenger boarding pass would have a special logo to indicate the service dog was joining them. Certifications, id, and a paper trail, just like us regular passengers.
And all it will take to over turn that rule is for one person to sue the FAA in Amarillo Texas 🫠
It seems like it would be useful to have a service dog registry in general. They just get entered when they pass whatever exam is required.
Something needs to happen. It's an obvious oversight in the rules that people abuse at the cost of other passengers aboard.
> an obvious oversight in the rules that people abuse at the cost of other ~~passengers~~ people This is pretty much the US across the board right now. From politics to traffic laws, it's a shit show of main character syndrome.
Yeah, I feel like the US no longer functions based on what is right or wrong. It seems like the general modus operandi for literally everything is what is obviously wrong; but nobody has been injured, killed, or scammed on a scale to do something about it yet.
Oh my god I love this. Summarized beautifully and explains 90% of the cringe maddening crap we witness everyday.
It's a purely American thing. Every time I return to the country I see dogs in more and more places. Restaurants, grocery stores, planes, gyms. I don't see this in any of the other countries I travel to. It's main character syndrome. And no one will do anything to stop them
I heard that bringing dogs everywhere in public is even more common in Germany.
I’ve started seeing it more and more where I’m at, dogs in Costco, the mall, grocery stores. It’s absolutely bizarre. Half the time it’s a tiny yappy dog in someone’s bag, but you’ll also see random medium sized breeds. I have a dog, he’s great, but I can’t imagine being so physically attached to him that I’d pass him off as a service animal. There’s also no reason in my mind that Karen’s Yorkshire terrier absolutely MUST accompany her into a grocery store full of people and food.
There’s plenty of dogs in all the places you mentioned in Europe (aside from the gym where literally there are never dogs).
I'm always amazed how immaculately dogs seems to be trained when visiting large European cities though. I'll see owners with perfectly trained unleashed dogs walking through crowded areas. God help us if the average American dog owner tried to do that.
What other countries are you going to? I’ve been to quite a few across Europe and I see dogs everywhere.
I’m an American currently living in England, and I’ve seen far more dogs in pubs (indoors!) within the past month here than I’ve ever seen in the US.
It’s happening at restaurant’s everywhere too. You can’t even ask questions other than what service is the dog trained to perform. You can’t require that they have any special leash or vest (in my state at least) to indicate they are service animals so these fake vests people buy are just a waste for the purpose of you can’t go to a restaurant like a normal human being without your dog at the table too.
Flexi leashes are not used by service dog handlers, ever!
Came looking for this comment! The first red flag I noticed!
As one commenter said, eventually an incident will happen, or something will go viral enough to bring attention to the issue. The two pressures airlines face are financial and Congressional — anything that hurts their earnings or when Congress (or the government) gets involved. I think pressure should come from the disability rights community, as people are abusing ADA protections to bring pets on board. Short of that, maybe we start complaining to airlines or writing to senators
It’s similar to how emotional support animals went. It was a thing until it wasn’t. But obviously the tougher part of this is that there are real service dogs and people with those needs. So something legit has to be in place. What airlines could maybe do is seat people with service animals in one space (ie back of plane to avoid interaction) and require them to deplane last, etc. But the crappy thing is it punishes those who actually do have real service animals (and basically acknowledges that people are faking it because a trained service dogs don’t need to avoid other passengers, etc.
The disability rights community would be against most of the ideas in this thread. Their lives are difficult enough without more hoops to jump through.
Yep, this is catch 22. If you're someone who follows the rules, it adds to your work. If you're someone who doesn't, then it doesn't matter.
I'm glad to see you bring this up. A lot of people in here are suggesting policies that would cost legitimate users of service animals extra time and money. These people are disabled, we shouldn't be imposing more difficulties upon them.
Yeah ... we're sadly going to need a pitbull "service dog" to eat a child's face mid-flight before anything is done.
That and wheelchair assists are out of control
Last time we flew Delta I expressly communicated that my daughter has an assistive device (rollator) but does not require assistance or wheelchair transfer. Someone showed up each and every leg of the flight to and from our destination and needed multiple reassurance from myself and her that we didn’t need assistance. They were nice but it was waaaay too much.
Honestly, I don’t mind the airlines erring on the side of accommodation in the case of your daughter. The real problem is all the people who request wheelchairs so they can board first. Oftentimes these same people won’t request wheelchairs when they arrive.
The airlines actually encourage people to take the wheelchairs as it speeds up boarding. I hurt my knee a few years ago, and was in a brace that was visible. I wasn’t even walking slower. The GA requested I pre-board and even suggested a wheelchair. After I explained I was fine and she realized that, she said it’s requested to help keep boarding faster as while a small amount of folks might abuse the privilege, far more people are too proud to ask for help and it can slow down the whole process when they don’t pre-board and slowdown the whole line.
That’s a fair point.
Obviously not true of everyone, but for people with POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome) it's not unusual to need a wheelchair for departure but not arrival. I can walk for ages, no problem. But if I stand in one place, my blood pressure drops. Extreme low blood pressure causes disorientation, confusion, vertigo, nausea, and fainting. So anywhere I have to be in a long line- like TSA -I have to be able to sit. Leaving the airport, I wait until I can walk off the plane without a crowd, and can just walk through the airport without another line if I'm flying domestic. Personally, I hate being pushed in a wheelchair, so I travel with a rollator that has a seat on it. But for others, being escorted in a chair to the plane saves them from fainting in long lines, but they don't need it when leaving. Just one of the conditions where this is true. My 94 year old grandfather (who doesn't look a day over 70) will use a chair to get to the plane when he is worried about getting there quickly, but prefers to walk off and take his time, stop a few times through the airport to rest on the way. Neither of us likes boarding early. We'd rather be on the plane as little as possible. POTS used to be a rare disease. Every time I went to a new doctor, I would have to educate them on it. Unfortunately, a lot of people developed POTS post-COVID. It's now so common that if I go to any medical professional and say that I have it, I don't even have to spell out what the POTS stands for, they have many other patients with it and know all about it.
Developed POTS after Covid. I feel you. It’s a whole new way of learning to live.
Just want to add my 2 cents here. POTS is not new, it’s been around forever, it just didn’t have a name or treatment plan. Now that it does, many people are diagnosed with it, similar to Autism. Remember those old stories where the woman swooned? POTS, they just called her a fainter.
Who fucking cares? Why be so petty as to try to judge if you think someone needs or doesn’t need a wheelchair? You’ll get on the plane just like everyone else. This avarice and envy are just childish and gross.
In the ancient times we had different assistance codes we could add to a person's reservation. WCHR, WCHS, WCHC, and maybe a few others. It's been 20 years and I still remember the whole code to add them to a reservation lol
That's pretty remarkable! I travel with a rollator, they always make me gate-check it, but then it's never there when I get off the plane. So then we have to wait to call for a wheelchair, which may or may not eventually show up. Last trip on the way there it came out at baggage claim missing a few vital bolts , so we had to find a hardware store first thing. Coming home, it was lost and I had to wait over three hours for them to find it.
You cant judge the need for one on outside appearance. I do agree that this has been overused by ppl wanting special boarding etc but some like myself you cannot tell from looking at me. I never ever use one but there are days i can hardly move and should but you wouldn't know it by looking at me
I got fucked by American Airlines for wheelchair assist because I don't look disabled and I'm young. I had nerve damage from a spinal injury and I was in a lot of pain and was flying to see my Doctor. The American Airlines lady denied me the wheelchair I requested (curbside), and demanded to know what was wrong with me, which doesn't sound very ADA compliant but whatever. She also demanded that I stand and walk and ridiculed me the entire time as she did. I was in so much pain that I just left my bags that my husband dropped off for me by her weigh station and sat down to call customer service. Which caused her to scream even more. It was a scary and humiliating and extremely painful experience. I eventually got the wheelchair thanks to a kind airport worker that came up to me and asked me what was wrong and that he would be happy to push me. He talked to the American Airlines lady and sorted it out for me. Fuck American Airlines. It was malicious and cruel.
With evidence or witness, that's a lawsuit right there.
I swear airlines just hire the bitchiest, fuck everyone else people to be in their customer service. Recently had an issue with a United gate agent who was a massive cunt, regardless of me asking nicely about a flight they canceled at the gate.
had a O’Hare security person or something get angry at me for trying to ask where the exit was, supposedly i walked up to them “aggressively” and they never had anyone ask where the exit was before i was lost in that airport for like 40 minutes just trying to exit
Man, having been in a wheelchair from nerve pain before you have my sympathy.
I'm sure they'll take care of that right after people who fake injuries to board early
Idk why people would want to board early. The plane ain't going anywhere before everyone is inside
Overhead bag space is the only thing i can think of
My first job out of high school was at a major movie theatre chain, and I ultimately worked up to operating a handful of them across various states in the US. I quit that shit back in 2019, but in those last few years, the amount of dogs people would bring in absolutely skyrocketed. Always causing disruptions in theatres by barking, jumping up and down on seats, whimpering (likely from the bass in the sound), etc. Shitting and pissing on floors. I successfully removed ONE customer from a theatre and the next one called corporate, gave some BS sob story, and I was told "just let it happen" from that point on. 100% of people say it's some emotional support animal or would immediately say "YOU CANT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS." Every person in this country knows what a true service dog is. How they act in public, their demeanor.. it's a damn shame that losers who are incapable of being separated from their pet for a few hours have to ruin it for folks who actually require one.
Actually, in my experience, damn few people have any real conception of what a real service dog is.
Just tell them, "That's the worst trained service dog I have ever seen." It shames them without them being able to say you are discriminating.
What a weird thing to be scrolling Reddit, seeing this, instantly recognizing it because I’m in the video in the background…
But you’re not even at the gate
What do we do about people recording video of others (and recording other people’s kids in the process)?
I have terrible allergies to dogs and cats and I understand when it comes to service dogs, they’re needed but these people are so selfish.
Pet in cabin is allowed, although limited to pets that can fit under the seat. The dogs in the video are way too big.
Seriously.
Doesn't delta allow pets? One of them just has a harness, doesn't look like pretending to be a service animal.
Yeah op is just assuming
How can I tell if an animal is really a service animal and not just a pet? To determine if an animal is a service animal, you may ask two questions: Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? What work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
It’s not just about the two questions, though. Airlines should be assessing the behavior of dogs. If a dog is repeatedly barking, growling, lunging, or otherwise clearly not under the control of the handler, then it doesn’t matter if the handler can give valid answers to the two questions. The dog can be barred from flying or made to fly as a pet because it doesn’t pass the behavioral attestation component required by the DOT form.
According to the USDOT website: **How do airlines determine whether an animal is a service animal?** * Airlines can determine whether an animal is a service animal or pet by: * Asking an individual with a disability if the animal is required to accompany the passenger because of a disability and what work or task the animal has been trained to perform; * Looking for physical indicators such as the presence of a harness or vests; * Looking to see if the animal is harnessed, leashed, or otherwise tethered; and * Observing the behavior of the animal. [https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/service-animals](https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/service-animals)
Serious question. Some airlines also allow pets that aren't service animals on with a fee. Are we upset at the owners that lie about their dog being a service animal when they clearly aren't? I've had to travel with a pomeranian puppy to bring him home. Am I a monster? I never tried to pass him off as a service animal and he was in his bag entire time, I paid the fee. I'm not being snarky, just genuinely curious about people's thoughts there.
I *wish* there were more options for bringing pets (eg, larger non-service dogs) onboard… putting them in the hold is a non-starter. I’d be happy to buy them a seat, pay a fee, pay for specific training, put them in a muzzle, etc.. but sadly there really aren’t any good options
I hope that someday we (dog owners) could have a flight that is just for pet owners. Something of a monthly flight or something like that. It would be awesome
I would love this across all forms of transportation. I currently travel from Texas to Iowa twice a year for the holidays: Thanksgiving for a week and Christmas for two. I fly for Thanksgiving, but I drive for Christmas so I can bring my pets with me, and that drive SUCKS. Its a 16 hour drive, and thankfully one of my parents will fly down so I don't have to make the trip alone, and we usually split it between two days so it's a little more bearable, but I would love to have the option to pay for an extra seat on a plane or for a private cabin on a train so I didn't have to make the drive. Unfortunately, tho, all forms of mass transit have a limit of 20lbs, which is fine for my cats, but not so much for my dog.
I flew with my dog on the same flight. But I had to keep him in his carrier the whole time. And there are specific requirements for having a pet-in-cabin. Like the dog has to be in the carrier the whole time and under a certain weight. So, it baffles me that anything other than a legit service animal is allowed to sit at the feet of their owner outside of a carrier
Rules only keep an honest man honest
If the dog barks/growls at other people or animals, is not harnessed, jumps on or causes injuries or displays disruptive behavior and demonstrates it has not been trained properly can be grounds for removal from the aircraft.
Those are definitely not service dogs. Service dogs are some of the best trained animals you will ever encounter. These are not
what is it that shows them as service dogs? A harness?
Yeah, I don’t see a service dog vest on either. ???
People literally call into the airline how do I get the letter for my dog? What letter? The one so I don't have to pay a pet in cabin fee. Fucking jackasses. Only x number of dogs on the plane. So lil elderly blind women couldn't take hers cause you're an asshole. Lots of fucking assholes.
Public shaming needs to be a thing.
In 3 years I’ll have to take an international flight to move again for the military, with a dog who will likely be too old to ride under the plane anymore. Can’t wait to get my shit bashed in on this sub like I have another choice other than giving my 12 year old dog up. I know there’s a lot of bad people who ruin this for others, but fuck man, redditors just love to assume the lives of everyone and post them as opposed to just talking to people.
What a steaming pile of Karen.
It’s terrible because there are folks who really need service dogs and these jerks make it harder for them.
You either change the law so Delta doesn’t get sued for discrimination, or you shut up about it. Delta makes it harder than any other airline to bring a service dog on board. Fake or not, they did the paperwork if they got on the airplane. So write your congressmen about it and go from there.
It seems like this is something TSA should get involved in, no? Its potentially a safety risk for the flight to have an untrained animal in the cabin. Legitimate certified service dogs go through rigorous training, and if they can be visibly observed to be acting erratically then TSA should step in and remove them from a flight. Though, they’ll inevitably have to deal with some social media backlash….
lol. I just saw a TSA working dog and a service dog wagging tails and licking each other in ATL a week ago—should they both be sent to pasture for exhibiting dog behavior. Side note: TSA can’t do anything. Ever.
The TSA can't legally do anything.
Service dogs are trained to stay still and not leave their persons side.
I watched Air Canada refuse a “service dog” at LaGuardia once. This yappy little terrier type dog kept lunging, growling, and attempting to bite everyone who walked by. The agent told her to find a crate or go home. She went home. I was relieved because that thing wouldn’t have shut up the entire flight. So yeah, they can keep a dog off a flight based on it’s poor behavior.
I feel sorry for American internal flights. So many of them cater to entitled dog nutters. What about those that are allergic or have a phobia?! Dogs don’t belong on planes.
My dog is way better behaved but not a service animal and I’m still forking over the travel fee and not slapping a vest that says service animal. This is why we can’t have nice things
I am a retired Delta F/A. We had a woman from LGA get on with her huge dog saying he was he a “service” dog. As the First Officer was going to do his walk around before take off the dog bit him. She and her dog were thrown off the airplane and she was banned from flying with another animal. Because of her we were delayed for two hours while we got another first officer.
Everywhere you go, someone has their "emotionally support dog." No folks. Unless it is trained and a legitimate service dog, please do not bring your pet.
Who cares?
Retractable leash is a red flag
They need to do an overhaul of the laws. The biggest problem is the ADA provision that you can't even ask for proof that it is a service dog. That unfortunately needs to be reversed and service animals should be required to openly display their certification. The law should be that Service Animals: * Service animals need to fit very specific training * They need to be for very specific conditions * The need to wear a high visibility red harness in pubic * A laminated copy of their certification must be visible on the harness. The certification does not need to disclose the person's condition but must include a physical describe of the animal and have emergency contact information for a lost animal or downed person. * Be allowed anywhere their person is allowed, regardless of normal animal rules except in very rare exception defined in the law. * Falsely claiming an animal is a service animal, including putting a service animal harness on a non-service animal should be a felony. * Interfering with a service animal or refusing t allow it in a place were service animals are required to be allowed should be a misdemeanor. Therapy animals need to: * Be prescribed by a doctor * Be harnessed in public with a 'therapy animal' harness which must be distinctly not a red service animal harness * The animal does not require special training or certification but can have it. * Businesses have the right, but not the requirement, to refuse service to the owner in places where animals are not normally allowed. * Businesses, especially airlines, can discriminate on the type of therapy animals they allow, including imposing training certification requirements. * Businesses can refuse to serve the owner and require them to leave even if they normally allow therapy animals if the animal is not harnessed or ill behaved.
People can bring their non service dogs into the airport and on the plane. These are not service dogs.
It’s crazy that this isn’t regulated properly. There should be a certification process at minimum
This trend has reached alarming epidemic levels in this country.
Please stop these people. They are always the worst
🥰 I am an avid, dog lover and golden retrievers are one of my favorites, that being said, this lady is totally taking advantage of something that is needed by many people. People like her should be blacklisted from flying.
You have to see the shitshow that these main characters have turned the nyc subway with their dogs. Like we dont have enough problems as it is.
Public shaming.
This isn’t even after security. She’s obviously standing near the entrance of the airport. No bags nothing. So you mean to say you recorded a random woman with dogs before you even passed security and she just so happened to be on your flight? GTFOH you’re just lying and trying to get people riled up.
one time, a woman bought a first class seat for her faux service dog (no vest or leash) on my flight. i had to do a double take as i was walking past because the dog was sitting on a few blankets and looked so cozy! the woman also had her eye mask on already, clearly to avoid the stares and eye rolls… (including an eye roll from me)
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I am sad for her. Her illness must be so severe in order to need two dogs!!! /s
I've only ever seen this madness when I flew to America the first time. Never saw so many "service dogs". Every breed except Labradors 😂
Same thing you do about unruly real service dogs. You deny service. A misbehaved service dog is not protected under ADA laws.
The problem is the way the law is written. We deal with it at my place of employment every single day (a public library). The only question you are allowed to ask if “What service is your dog trained to provide?” The person just has to answer you; they don’t need to prove it or produce evidence. Obviously with such limitations, people are going to take advantage all over the place. It’s why you see dogs literally everywhere, including restaurants, nowadays.
When I worked retail, fake service dogs were almost a daily occurrence. People often get very aggressive if confronted over it. We'd have some hulking untrained pitbull jumping on people and barking that would be wearing a service animal harness. Not fooling anyone. I even had people threaten to steal if I refused them service
Lady has an emotional support dog and that dog has an emotional support dog. This is crazy.
Dog owners gonna dog owner.
I don't know how check in wouldn't catch that. Unless she checked in at a kiosk, but they still have to check papers? I'd have denied her. Ex Delta here.
Criminal what these people are doing. Total twist on seeing eye dogs.
Make a license for them expensive without a verifiable diagnosis and prescription and require that they have to be wearing a special vest. Also, public places have to enforce the rules. Seeing a dog in a grocery store or home depot because you need emotional support to buy food or construction supplies is ludicrous.
There are more pressant problems than worrying about dogs on leash…
It's the fault of whoever made the rules not to require paperwork or licensing. It was a system built to fail from the start. Until they start allowing people to be questioned about their service animal, people will continue to abuse the system.
Trained service dogs would not act like that. Time for airlines to demand proof of training. I would be royally pissed if I had to share my space with two large dogs.
Just ban all animals on planes or charge exorbitantly unless it’s a real seeing eye dog. Take meds if you need an animal for your anxiety.
Oh and they were barking and running around security check
It’s only a matter of time before there is a serious enough incident (and accompanying lawsuit) that much stricter controls are put in place by airlines or a federal authority. For example, some idiot will take their violent dog on a flight as a service animal and it will attack a passenger or crew.
Can’t come soon enough. It’s an airplane not a petco. This also makes people who really need their service animal look bad as well because of the negative attention towards people with poorly behaved “service” animals.
Nothing like hearing “hey! Stop! Get back here!” As the dog barks and prances around security check. 🤣
That's why there are 2. One is a "service" dog for comforting the human. The 2nd is a service dog to comfort the other dog!
I knew somebody who kept a wheelchair in the garage for when she flew. She had a drooly mean old dog that would wear a tattered service vest, and she would call for special transportation to the airport. She would pull the poor little old me game in the wheelchair with her growling dog. This is a woman who could climb onto the roof to fix a wire. Once she came back and was disgruntled because the dog farted all during the flight home. I laughed and she got mad at me.
Honestly I even wonder how embarrassing they look standing there not fooling anyone
You assume trash like in the video has any capacity for self-reflection or shame
I love dogs my K9 boy is one of the best parts of my life. That being said it’s getting absurd. The amount of dogs I see in grocery stores and restaurants is absurd. A holes ruin it for the rest of us and will eventually turn the public from being reasonable in regards to where dogs are allowed.
Animals just flat out shouldn’t be allowed on airlines. Unless a government certified “service” dog. If all airlines would agree, then they don’t need to lander to these selfish people. No airline would have and advantage.
Wondering what happens when someone has an allergy to dogs.
They are told to put chemical into their bodies to accommodate someone's animal.
Call them the fuck out? Fuck people who do this. Don't bring your fucking pets when you travel. Don't care. Get a sitter, for your "fur baby'
Serious question, how are the dogs (service or not) hurting you?
I’ll take a dog sitting next to me on the plane over 90% of human options
Me, a person with severe allergies to anything with fur, looks at this and dreads my next flight in a few weeks.
I take allerclear/Zyrtec with me on flights now because of this madness.
I wear an N95 mask if needed - like we all did for 2 years.
Fuck those people! They need to be shamed off the aircraft
This makes me SO ANGRY for those in need of true service animals.
Hot take: Maybe airlines should come up with a process for dog owners to fly with their larger dogs in the cabin or accessible from the cabin. Something like, last 4 rows, have to buy out the whole side of the row, etc. Only a certain number of dogs per flight, etc. Give people a safe, legal option for their dogs that isn't baggage, charge a fair, but hefty, fee and problem is solved.
It is becoming an epidemic...fuck that Karen
Is it me or has the number of people who want their pets everywhere they go gone up tremendously
I hate that you don't have to have a license for your service animal. The animal or owner should be required to wear it at all times in places where animals would not normally be allowed.
I don’t like people faking things to bend the rules. I love dogs. You should just be able to just take your dog on the plane with an additional ticket and limitations. So, imo you don’t do anything about it. Downvote me if you wish
I wish we would stop filming every person we don't like and posting partial clips of them with no context and anonymously. I'm more concerned about that. I have no dog in this fight, but it's just as obnoxious as pretending your dog is a service animal.
People travel with pets all the time, doesnt have to be service animals and doesnt appear to be labeled as such?
Pet them.
2 very friendly and happy Goldens
Provide better, easier ways to travel with dogs. Good dogs exist.
Just flew from DTW to LAX....at DTW this border collie is wearing a service animal vest by the tome we land the vest is gone. It is obvious that the dog is well behaved nut not a trained service animal. Did not take up the expected position next to their handler while walking etc I wish they would create a registry and make it a felony to impersonate a service animal.
Surely Delta realises that nobody needs two service dogs?
I loudly say “NO!” When people’s fake service dogs start to approach me. I love animals, but I cannot trust a person that has a service dog vest on an animal that is clearly not trained. Therefore, I cannot trust that animal.
Some guy had his big old bulldog across the aisle from me. Dog was fine except for the farting. We landed. I had to pee and was anxious to get off but of course obeyed plane etiquette and let those in front move out first. I stepped into the aisle, looked at dog guy and said, ‘I really have to go.’ He had the nerve to want to cut in front of me by telling me, ‘so does he.’ Goddammit, no dude.
Look, I was on a Soutwest flight, the same thing happened. They whole flight the FAs were playing with the dog, carrying it around the cabin. It was not a service dog. It was supposed to be crated under the seat. At arrival, they came from behind me, trying to hurry. (I was on row 2, them on row 3) They dog (again supposed to be in a carrier) shit on the aisle and the whole plane had to wait for them to come clean it. The only time I have ever reported FA behavior. They encourage it , actively participated and were ultimately responsible for not telling them to keep the dog in its little crate.
It needs to go viral for a fix. If you have a child you can spare to get bit, that’ll usually put the spotlight on the situation and get some politician who wants to get reelected to grab on to the collective rage.