they clearly barely even value the late round picks in this years draft, and this should be a great class as a whole. by all accounts, next years class is much weaker. we’re also gonna be picking late again. i don’t mind losing those ‘25 third and fourth rounders as much as i did initially
You can downvote me all you want but you're wrong.
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/04/23/nfl-draft-explaining-compensatory-picks/73405434007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/04/23/nfl-draft-explaining-compensatory-picks/73405434007/)
[https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/inclusion/the-rooney-rule/#:\~:text=If%20a%20team%20lost%20a,compensatory%20pick%20for%20three%20years](https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/inclusion/the-rooney-rule/#:~:text=If%20a%20team%20lost%20a,compensatory%20pick%20for%20three%20years)
[https://theathletic.com/5327314/2024/04/25/nfl-compensatory-draft-picks-2024/](https://theathletic.com/5327314/2024/04/25/nfl-compensatory-draft-picks-2024/)
I would much rather have Ben Johnson than an extra late round pick.....hell, I would choose keeping Ben over any extra pick for losing him, even if it was in the late 1st or early 2nd round. His adds as much value as at least a high level starter, if not more.
I don’t wanna hear the “trust in Brad” crowd bitch about him giving up draft picks. He’s taking risks, we don’t have a reason to assume there won’t be a reward during this upcoming season.
And? We have one of the youngest teams in the league already. Even if we end up with only three picks next year, we will still have a solid longevity of good players and a (likely) full draft in 2026.
for a developmental pick like Manu, taking the 4th this year - he would EASILY be worth a 3rd next year, but we get him a year early and able to develop him.
This makes a ton of sense
We'll just trade a 2026 for a third day 2025. No rule against it, but one year the attrition will lead to us not having a pick after day one... however if we keep drafting homeruns and scheme fits then we might afford a year where there are only 3-5 spots anyway
Considering how we have suddenly become a desirable destination, chances are that compensatory picks will be few & far between for years to come (aside from what will will get when AG inevitably leaves for a HC job). When you are a winner & have a coach that players want to play for, talented free agent vets & current players on expiring contracts are more likely to sign/re-sign, even if it means doing so at a bit of a discount, in exchange for the opportunity to win & to play in a favorable environment(especially if they have already made a ton of money & are Dan Campbell/Brad Holmes guys that love the game itself above everything that playing at a high level can bring them financially). Naturally, if Holmes keeps hitting it out of the park year after year in the draft, before long it will get to the point that, due to the salary cap, it will be impossible to retain the majority of our homegrown talent, but that is literally the best possible problem an organization can be faced with & one that can be minimized substantially by continued draft wizardry. (When you manage to draft a 1st-Team All-Pro in the 4th round & 5 Pro Bowlers in 3 drafts, with the next closest team only drafting 2 Pro Bowlers over that same time period, like Holmes has done, you are clearly one of the best in the world at your job.)
I would argue that what the Texans did was what all-in looks like more than what we did bc they traded away most of their premium draft capital to move up last year & then signed several really expensive veterans that are, at best, at the very peak of their careers but could very well see their production start to decrease before the end of their contracts. Honestly, the Lions aren't risking mortgaging their future to win now....which is more in line with going "all-in". We are actually building a deep roster for sustained success, signing free agents that fit our timeline & drafting project type players at their positions to develop & eventually take over when the vets are done. Shockingly, the Detroit Lions under Brad Holmes & Dan Campbell are showing the rest of the league how to competently run an organization & build a roster for sustained long-term success. I never thought I would live to see it & wouldn't have believed I would ever be able to say that about the Lions, but here we are & I love it.
People forget we got a 2025 4th for Swift, and we probably get a 2025 comp for Jonah Jackson, so Brad is just proving he’s thinking several steps ahead at all times
We have a young team under contract. Not shedding an old regime. Just pointless whining. We are so used to being bad we think the draft is the Super Bowl.
He might end up being able to trade a CB later in the year before the deadline, depending upon how well the rookies pan out & whether or not they are both already capable of playing starter minutes by that point....which is wild to think about, considering how the room looked just a few months ago.
Imo 25 is the end or near of the window with the current core. If you’re relying on 2025 third rounders then something went wrong.
We start losing pieces after 25.
The year we pick 32nd so it's okay I guess
Also the year it’s hosted in Green Bay lol
What if you just continually trade your next years picks, it's a never end revolving door of trades
Made me look around for a second thinking.
Next year's picks are necessarily less valuable than this yea s picks because of the unknowns, so you'd quickly end up in diminishing returns world
they clearly barely even value the late round picks in this years draft, and this should be a great class as a whole. by all accounts, next years class is much weaker. we’re also gonna be picking late again. i don’t mind losing those ‘25 third and fourth rounders as much as i did initially
Plus we gained a forth next year from the swift trade so really we currently are just missing a third round pick
They had an additional 4th and a few 7ths next season. Not much to lose a 3rd
And we are expecting to get some comp picks anyways
Projections don't have us getting any comp picks next year. Only lost 3 guys with eligible contracts and signed 4.
The real assumption would the loss of am offensive coordinator (and maybe a defensive one) at a certain point Ben Johnson will be leaving
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we only get a compensatory pick if one of our assistant coaches that leaves is a minority, right?
You’re right I think I misunderstood the rule
No it’s 2 for AG 1 for Ben
It's only for minority coaches, we wouldn't get anything for Ben leaving.
You can downvote me all you want but you're wrong. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/04/23/nfl-draft-explaining-compensatory-picks/73405434007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/04/23/nfl-draft-explaining-compensatory-picks/73405434007/) [https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/inclusion/the-rooney-rule/#:\~:text=If%20a%20team%20lost%20a,compensatory%20pick%20for%20three%20years](https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/inclusion/the-rooney-rule/#:~:text=If%20a%20team%20lost%20a,compensatory%20pick%20for%20three%20years) [https://theathletic.com/5327314/2024/04/25/nfl-compensatory-draft-picks-2024/](https://theathletic.com/5327314/2024/04/25/nfl-compensatory-draft-picks-2024/)
I didn't hear anywhere that if Ben had gone to the Commanders, we would have gotten a compensatory pick. That's news to me
I would much rather have Ben Johnson than an extra late round pick.....hell, I would choose keeping Ben over any extra pick for losing him, even if it was in the late 1st or early 2nd round. His adds as much value as at least a high level starter, if not more.
Wait, if a coach leaves and he is a black guy, the team gets a comp pick in the draft? lol
If the defense improves and AG gets a HC gig, that'll be two 3rd round comp picks.
I don’t wanna hear the “trust in Brad” crowd bitch about him giving up draft picks. He’s taking risks, we don’t have a reason to assume there won’t be a reward during this upcoming season.
We will also get comp picks if/when AG gets a head coaching gig
And? We have one of the youngest teams in the league already. Even if we end up with only three picks next year, we will still have a solid longevity of good players and a (likely) full draft in 2026.
for a developmental pick like Manu, taking the 4th this year - he would EASILY be worth a 3rd next year, but we get him a year early and able to develop him. This makes a ton of sense
We'll just trade a 2026 for a third day 2025. No rule against it, but one year the attrition will lead to us not having a pick after day one... however if we keep drafting homeruns and scheme fits then we might afford a year where there are only 3-5 spots anyway
when the window is wide open
FUKKIN A..if we had this DB group 3 months ago we'd have a ring🏆
Facts
We gave up a 3rd, 4th and 7th. We already had an extra 4th and 7th, so we still have a 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 7th round pick in 2025.
And we’re getting a comp pick for losing Jonah.
That's not exactly how comp picks work.....I think our free agent signings more than offset his loss.
Did we sign anyone to a contract like he got?
https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks His chart isn't normally perfect but it's very close to it.
It's the accumulation of contracts that offset what we lost
Considering how we have suddenly become a desirable destination, chances are that compensatory picks will be few & far between for years to come (aside from what will will get when AG inevitably leaves for a HC job). When you are a winner & have a coach that players want to play for, talented free agent vets & current players on expiring contracts are more likely to sign/re-sign, even if it means doing so at a bit of a discount, in exchange for the opportunity to win & to play in a favorable environment(especially if they have already made a ton of money & are Dan Campbell/Brad Holmes guys that love the game itself above everything that playing at a high level can bring them financially). Naturally, if Holmes keeps hitting it out of the park year after year in the draft, before long it will get to the point that, due to the salary cap, it will be impossible to retain the majority of our homegrown talent, but that is literally the best possible problem an organization can be faced with & one that can be minimized substantially by continued draft wizardry. (When you manage to draft a 1st-Team All-Pro in the 4th round & 5 Pro Bowlers in 3 drafts, with the next closest team only drafting 2 Pro Bowlers over that same time period, like Holmes has done, you are clearly one of the best in the world at your job.)
This is what “all in” looks like
I would argue that what the Texans did was what all-in looks like more than what we did bc they traded away most of their premium draft capital to move up last year & then signed several really expensive veterans that are, at best, at the very peak of their careers but could very well see their production start to decrease before the end of their contracts. Honestly, the Lions aren't risking mortgaging their future to win now....which is more in line with going "all-in". We are actually building a deep roster for sustained success, signing free agents that fit our timeline & drafting project type players at their positions to develop & eventually take over when the vets are done. Shockingly, the Detroit Lions under Brad Holmes & Dan Campbell are showing the rest of the league how to competently run an organization & build a roster for sustained long-term success. I never thought I would live to see it & wouldn't have believed I would ever be able to say that about the Lions, but here we are & I love it.
People forget we got a 2025 4th for Swift, and we probably get a 2025 comp for Jonah Jackson, so Brad is just proving he’s thinking several steps ahead at all times
We won't get any comps this year we signed more qualified comp players than we lost
Valid, I didn’t realize that’s how it works. The extent of my knowledge of comp picks is the rule of thumb that good player leaving equals comp pick
We have a young team under contract. Not shedding an old regime. Just pointless whining. We are so used to being bad we think the draft is the Super Bowl.
brad planning to trade a piece or two to accumulate 2025 picks?
He might end up being able to trade a CB later in the year before the deadline, depending upon how well the rookies pan out & whether or not they are both already capable of playing starter minutes by that point....which is wild to think about, considering how the room looked just a few months ago.
All in my ass
What is, doesn't that hurt you?
Can't he leave some of it out?
Did he use lube at least or was it dry stuffing?
Imo 25 is the end or near of the window with the current core. If you’re relying on 2025 third rounders then something went wrong. We start losing pieces after 25.