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Guardian homes - red flag.
No OFA look up - this means they're lying about hip testing which automatically post. The whole kennel hasn't had anything other than eyes, a thyroid done in their entire existence. They're misrepresenting themselves as doing health testing.
No titles or proof the dogs are temperamentally stable.
Absolutely not.
At the price they are selling these backyard bred dogs that anybody on planet earth could slap together, she could get a VERY well-bred dog in just about any breed on planet earth. Doesn’t even look like they’re doing the required health testing. This is like agreeing to pay 3k for a SHEIN jumpsuit. There’s just no logic behind the pricing. Hard pass.
Have your friend take a look at this video as a way to orient them to what they should be looking for in a breeder: [Ethical Breeding Practices](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN6DVSdP/)
I spent $3500 for my first well-bred show prospect in a pretty rare breed.
Not a reputable breeder as others have mentioned. There’s a guide on identifying a reputable breeder in the subreddit sidebar/wiki section here. Maybe you could send the link to that to her?
So the breed in and of itself is a huge red flag (they're just mutts with a hefty price tag). Tagging some of the dogs as "micro" and "mini" is also a big, big red flag. OFA/health claims are all pretty vague and broad, but no results advertised. $3500 for a mutt when you can get a purebred poodle from AKC CH parents for 3k. Just overall a really bad look. She needs to find an ethical, responsible breeder and do serious research.
This looks like a puppy mill. I see no redeeming qualities.
I looked up 4 of their dogs using the names given on the OFA database, none came up with results.
A doodle is a red flag that it's a backyard breeder. They're mutts. Nothing wrong with a mutt, but there should be a special circle of hell for the people that intentionally breed them.
Other commenters have given good advice about the breeder. My only additional concern would be her ability to care for the dog’s grooming needs. Doodle personalities and coats are a crapshoot when it comes to coat texture and shedding. She can very easily end up with a dog whose coat mats if you look at it wrong who isn’t easy to train to tolerate grooming. The dog would need daily brushing and regular grooming appointments (every 6 weeks), which can get expensive fast. If she’s not willing to budge just because the breeder isn’t ethical, make sure she knows this wouldn’t be a good first-time dog because of the high maintenance coat.
Doodles can be tricky dogs for first-timers; there’s the grooming needs, and then the fact that you’re crossing retriever dogs with high drives and energy levels, and quite a long adolescence. They need a lot of exercise and a lot of stimulation and a lot of training. Poodles are not easy first-time dogs, so it doesn’t make sense that doodles get marketed as easy first-timer family dogs.
You definitely want to choose a breeder who posts OFA hip results for their breeding stock OR will send you their PennHip results. I’ve seen so many sweet doodles with hip issues, because when you crossbreed two or three breeds with known dysplasia issues, you don’t necessarily get a dog with healthy structure.
Definitely adopt locally. You can meet the dogs, you can take time to see if there's a connection and it's entirely possible that a different type of dog will end up, capturing her heart.
As others have already pointed out this breeder is not an ethical, responsible breeder. Breeding anything to a poodle does not make the dog hypoallergenic. Stick to the poodle, not anything doodle as a doodle is a genetic crapshoot. And I can't imagine a good genetic crapshoot as a lab is structurally so different than a poodle, Lab barrel chest on poodle hips, joint issues. Please do not doodle as you can't find a reputable, responsible doodle breeder. And if you choose to doodle, the only ethical way of getting one is through legitimate rescues and shelters. Why a doodle? Most people start with all the poodle traits. If that is the case, your friend should get a poodle and if you like the look of a doodle, have your groomer do a doodle hair cut on your poodle. Standards are not froufrou and are great dogs; there are smaller standards in the 38 to 45 lb range as well as up to 70 bs.. Minis are smaller but more active and a bit less kid friendly. Really do breed research and pick a breed (doodle are not a breed , they are a mix so a crapshoot of what you get as you don't get the best from both breeds as doodle breeders will try to tell you and that's why they can shed and have unmanageable coats Doodles are NOT the best of both breeds when they are a crapshoot of either breeds. The other breeds have a different structure than a poodle so you can get an outsized dog on poodle hips, both dogs could pass hips but the offspring could get the structure of a larger dog on a poodle hip and end up dysplastic same with elbow and other joints. Just no, as doodle breeder use minis and toys to breed to all to get smaller sizes. And most (not all) doodles have much harder coats to maintain than any of the breeds including poodle that make up the mix. Just doodle cut your poodle if you like the look of a doodle . And your friend should not support an unethical breeder, if you are not buying from an ethical breeder, then go through legitimate recue organizations. If you haven't read the WIKI, I would start with the WIKI on responsible breeders, it will give you what to look for in a breeder and questions to ask: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/wiki/identifying\_a\_responsible\_breeder/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/wiki/identifying_a_responsible_breeder/) . Many breeders will have a waitlist so it's best to start contacting them in advance of when you want to get a puppy. Doodle breeders do not get great dogs to start with as great breeders would not sell them a dog to irresponsibly breed. And with the number of litters, the puppies will nit be properly socialized.
Maybe have her fill out a dog breed questionnaire to help her identify a breed that may work? I also recommend that she check out the reputable breeder guide. I’ll link it below!
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/s/GuwXwWHa4q
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Guardian homes - red flag. No OFA look up - this means they're lying about hip testing which automatically post. The whole kennel hasn't had anything other than eyes, a thyroid done in their entire existence. They're misrepresenting themselves as doing health testing. No titles or proof the dogs are temperamentally stable. Absolutely not.
20+ breeding females. That alone is a big red flag.
At the price they are selling these backyard bred dogs that anybody on planet earth could slap together, she could get a VERY well-bred dog in just about any breed on planet earth. Doesn’t even look like they’re doing the required health testing. This is like agreeing to pay 3k for a SHEIN jumpsuit. There’s just no logic behind the pricing. Hard pass. Have your friend take a look at this video as a way to orient them to what they should be looking for in a breeder: [Ethical Breeding Practices](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN6DVSdP/) I spent $3500 for my first well-bred show prospect in a pretty rare breed.
Not a reputable breeder as others have mentioned. There’s a guide on identifying a reputable breeder in the subreddit sidebar/wiki section here. Maybe you could send the link to that to her?
Yes I will do that! Thanks for the suggestion
Five litters due in two months?? How the heck do you care for 30-50 pups at a time? Or do they have a large staff?
Sounds like a puppy mill to me
its a puppymill🙁
So the breed in and of itself is a huge red flag (they're just mutts with a hefty price tag). Tagging some of the dogs as "micro" and "mini" is also a big, big red flag. OFA/health claims are all pretty vague and broad, but no results advertised. $3500 for a mutt when you can get a purebred poodle from AKC CH parents for 3k. Just overall a really bad look. She needs to find an ethical, responsible breeder and do serious research.
Australian labradoodles are the only doodle that’s made any attempt to start the process to be recognized as a breed.
That doesn’t automatically make them ethical breeders.
I didnt say it did. Youll note my other comment, this breeder is a mill.
That doesn't make them not mutts. They're not purpose bred and there's no accepted breed standard.
The purpose of being a companion is still a purpose. You’re completely missing the point of my comment.
This looks like a puppy mill. I see no redeeming qualities. I looked up 4 of their dogs using the names given on the OFA database, none came up with results.
A doodle is a red flag that it's a backyard breeder. They're mutts. Nothing wrong with a mutt, but there should be a special circle of hell for the people that intentionally breed them.
Other commenters have given good advice about the breeder. My only additional concern would be her ability to care for the dog’s grooming needs. Doodle personalities and coats are a crapshoot when it comes to coat texture and shedding. She can very easily end up with a dog whose coat mats if you look at it wrong who isn’t easy to train to tolerate grooming. The dog would need daily brushing and regular grooming appointments (every 6 weeks), which can get expensive fast. If she’s not willing to budge just because the breeder isn’t ethical, make sure she knows this wouldn’t be a good first-time dog because of the high maintenance coat.
Doodles can be tricky dogs for first-timers; there’s the grooming needs, and then the fact that you’re crossing retriever dogs with high drives and energy levels, and quite a long adolescence. They need a lot of exercise and a lot of stimulation and a lot of training. Poodles are not easy first-time dogs, so it doesn’t make sense that doodles get marketed as easy first-timer family dogs. You definitely want to choose a breeder who posts OFA hip results for their breeding stock OR will send you their PennHip results. I’ve seen so many sweet doodles with hip issues, because when you crossbreed two or three breeds with known dysplasia issues, you don’t necessarily get a dog with healthy structure.
$3500 for a mutt? Absolutely not
I would direct her to the shelter you volunteer at or a local pet rescue to find other beautiful mutts in need of homes.
Definitely adopt locally. You can meet the dogs, you can take time to see if there's a connection and it's entirely possible that a different type of dog will end up, capturing her heart.
As others have already pointed out this breeder is not an ethical, responsible breeder. Breeding anything to a poodle does not make the dog hypoallergenic. Stick to the poodle, not anything doodle as a doodle is a genetic crapshoot. And I can't imagine a good genetic crapshoot as a lab is structurally so different than a poodle, Lab barrel chest on poodle hips, joint issues. Please do not doodle as you can't find a reputable, responsible doodle breeder. And if you choose to doodle, the only ethical way of getting one is through legitimate rescues and shelters. Why a doodle? Most people start with all the poodle traits. If that is the case, your friend should get a poodle and if you like the look of a doodle, have your groomer do a doodle hair cut on your poodle. Standards are not froufrou and are great dogs; there are smaller standards in the 38 to 45 lb range as well as up to 70 bs.. Minis are smaller but more active and a bit less kid friendly. Really do breed research and pick a breed (doodle are not a breed , they are a mix so a crapshoot of what you get as you don't get the best from both breeds as doodle breeders will try to tell you and that's why they can shed and have unmanageable coats Doodles are NOT the best of both breeds when they are a crapshoot of either breeds. The other breeds have a different structure than a poodle so you can get an outsized dog on poodle hips, both dogs could pass hips but the offspring could get the structure of a larger dog on a poodle hip and end up dysplastic same with elbow and other joints. Just no, as doodle breeder use minis and toys to breed to all to get smaller sizes. And most (not all) doodles have much harder coats to maintain than any of the breeds including poodle that make up the mix. Just doodle cut your poodle if you like the look of a doodle . And your friend should not support an unethical breeder, if you are not buying from an ethical breeder, then go through legitimate recue organizations. If you haven't read the WIKI, I would start with the WIKI on responsible breeders, it will give you what to look for in a breeder and questions to ask: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/wiki/identifying\_a\_responsible\_breeder/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/wiki/identifying_a_responsible_breeder/) . Many breeders will have a waitlist so it's best to start contacting them in advance of when you want to get a puppy. Doodle breeders do not get great dogs to start with as great breeders would not sell them a dog to irresponsibly breed. And with the number of litters, the puppies will nit be properly socialized.
Maybe have her fill out a dog breed questionnaire to help her identify a breed that may work? I also recommend that she check out the reputable breeder guide. I’ll link it below! https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/s/GuwXwWHa4q