What's even worse is the posts I see on here playing the pity game.
"I'm a single mother struggling with 3 kids and any extra tips go towards feeding my children. I hope you have a fantabulous day! :)"
I’m a dasher. Sometimes I take sucky orders. I understand the temptation to do something like this. However I’ve never done it. I don’t cancel orders. And I find this to be inappropriate on the dashers end. Also instead of thinking in terms of percent… think in terms of the miles. Gas prices the way they are we need $1.50-2 per mile
That is the total for the trip but what most customers don't understand is that DD and most of the other gig companies pay the drivers very little. Usually around 2-3 bucks.We get $2.50 orders for 10-30 miles all the time and it doesn't even cover the expenses we incur. Still does not make what this driver did right and I would report them.
Report this to door dash..this is harassment…you don’t know if these folks will come to your door..plus they have your home address
Report them..they won’t know it’s you
You can change your tip.
I’ve increased the tip amounts when the dasher follows instructions when delivering food in bad weather or late at night etc I simply contacted support on chat - gave them my name + email address and ask them to adjust the tip.
Yes you can. You just message support. I've increased my tip before when Dashers end up waiting longer than normal.
Not saying what this person did was okay but you can adjust the tip after.
Maybe it's because I'm a pessimist, but I think it's just a con. They're just saying that for sympathy and more money. Either way, if 20% equals roughly $4 or more, then it's enough of a tip.
For me personally, in my market, I don't except anything under $6 ($2.50 base + min $3.50 tip) unless it is extremely busy and the distances and wait times are really short. I'll take a $5 order if I know for certain the time to complete is 15 min or less. Excluding that rare occurrence, a $3.50 - $4 minimum tip is what I look for. If you are comfortable with a $5 minimum, I see nothing wrong with that. The point here, though, is the begging for more. No driver should be begging for tips. If you have to beg for more, you should have never taken the order in the first place, however, I'm leaning more to this being a scam and not necessarily a case of low/no tip to begin with.
Not necessarily a scam, as I said before. Could be desperation, it could have been a rough day or close to the end of the night & orders are getting thin. Maybe they are x amount of dollars away from that room. It is a real struggle to have to move every day if you can't make the payment and/or payment deadline to keep your room. I would NEVER ask someone that tipped to tip more but I do understand this Dasher's particular struggle. I live in a hotel when I can make enough for the room which is usually every day except Tuesday. For some reason, Tuesdays are rough in my market.
That's pretty good. But tbh it's all about the mileage from the restaurant to your location times 2 (because the dasher has to return to the area where the restaurants are to get a new order). Most dashers won't move for under $1.50/$2.00 per mile at minimum. Just something to keep in mind. :)
So if the restaurant is 7.3 miles from my house how do I know how much a dasher gets paid? I always overtip but quit using DoorDash bc there are too many reasons why your food gets to you not fresh or takes forever.
The dasher gets paid about $2.25 REGARDLESS of miles unless your order is sitting for awhile then they start throwing quarters on it.
It's not a tip it's a bid for service period. How much is it worth to you to not load up the kids in your car to do a mcds run?
I've always more than overtipped and wondered why my food would still take so long or the dasher would change. After talking to some dashers and reading Reddit I found out multiple reasons. I don't understand why they would not let you see the full tip and/or the comments that there's a cash tip. Having been a server I always preferred cash tips but was informed by more than one dasher that the fact I actually said I was going to tip extra in cash and did was rare.
I ordered from Walmart.Com two day shipping and it showed up that same night. I just happened to catch the girl in driveway and gave her a tip, she really appreciated it and from talking with her I realized they're getting doordashers to deliver stuff unbeknownst to the person who ordered it. It happened another time and I told them when I order I'm ordering two day shipping and it isn't like when you order groceries there's no option for a tip. I quit ordering from them bc of this issue. How would I know they are sending a doordasher that day? It's all wild to me, I don't know how people put up with working for them
I’ve actually texted my dasher as soon as they were assigned and let them know. Hey, I dash too at times and know DD hides tips. Just FYI I left $$$. Most of the time I do it when end up being too lazy to go to the store like a mile away, or the fast food close to my house. I know they’re gonna hide the closer stuff a lot of the time.
Doordash doesn't show the full tip on some orders in an attempt to trick newer Dashers into taking crappy orders on the off chance that there will be more money in it than it appears (on small enough orders, that's never the case, but some of those middling amounts are tricky). For a while, we managed to learn their tip hiding algorithm, and were able to really reward the people who tipped appropriately. Unfortunately, once Doordash realized that, they changed it, and it's much harder to gauge, now. We would love to provide better service to better tippers, but Doordash prevents us from being able to distinguish between the good and the bad, because they want all customers to be served, regardless of how little they value that service.
This is a better way people need to think about it. As I’ve grown older I finally understand why people will pay for others to do things for them. In my younger years I didn’t always get why people didn’t just do something’s themselves. Now, I will literally pay you extra to ignore DD’s route because they don’t understand detours for some damn reason. I just want my damn tacos to be hot, not taken on a scenic route of Iowa.
THIS...Really is how DD should be framing the whole idea of "TIPS" It really is a bid to get service faster. Higher bids get accepted faster. And idk bout yall, but when a customer is "tipping" well. I do everything I can to make sure their food is right and FAST. If I have a double order, the better bid gets it first. Every time
$1.50 per mile from restaurant to home. That should get your order picked faster from a driver and delivered. Anything less and you are risking time wasted trying to find a Dasher for that low paying order.
$5 has always been the minimum for delivery drivers though technically it should have gone up with inflation so it would be at least $10 dollars or more if it kept up. However, restaurant delivery drivers only drive within a few mile radius.
I'm not saying you necessarily have to tip over 10 dollars every time but you should consider how far they are driving with the understanding that they might be right next to the restaurant when they accept or over 5 miles away from the restaurant.
These apps allow you to order from well over 10 miles away so it depends on how far away it is. To make money people generally need to make $1.5/mile or more.
Generally the apps will pay $2/$2.50 for base pay.
Example,
So, $2.50+$5=$7.50
Miles 10
Result - drivers will decline and be annoyed at the customer
Example 2,
$7.50
Miles 2
You will get a driver quickly and they will be happy
Which means the tip was hidden or at $6.50. the dasher should assume it's a hidden tip if that money equals miles. So they're either a dumbass not knowing about hidden tip threshold or they ask all their customers that
I've done it once but that was only because the guy gave an incorrect address and didn't send me a text notifying me until I almost got to the the original address in the app which was his girlfriends house. I had to drive an 4 extra miles to him and told him I expected a bigger tip for the inconvenience. The guy didn't give me a damn thing. Not a pleasant experience. Now, if they give an incorrect address, I make it known that I'm leaving the order at the address given. They can come get it. It's not my problem, I did my part
Definitely. Every dasher knows “20% tip” means fuck all because there are so many mitigating factors- distance, wait times, delivery location/circumstances. And no one’s impressed by a 20% tip when your meal cost $8. But like you said, no one makes us accept these orders. I might bitch about the platform and their practices from time to time, but you’ll never hear me complain about the pay of an individual order because I choose the ones worth my time and effort.
I LIVE IN A HOTEL MYSELF, I NEVER ASKED FOR MORE TIP!! I full time gig work while I'm working on another project.
I just had delivery to me, and I messed up my tip ,the app wouldn't let me adjust so I sent her more in cash app.. hustle more or manage $$ Better.
Lived in hotel 2 years while dashing. Was a constant battle to make anything extra, and I literally only made enough for the hotel + gas so I couldn’t have survived without assistance like food stamps and the occasional help from my family but towards the end I found the best way to manage it was to use hotels where I could earn points. With Expedia I was earning enough points that every 6th day I earned a free night. So I was only paying for 6 days instead of 7. I also found a few options for AirBnB that were cheaper than the hotel if you don’t mind doing like a furnished basement or room rent deal in someone’s home but I found it was hard to find openings because they were always booked solid. My area is a tourist spot though so that contributed to the difficulty finding openings for AirBnB. I was lucky enough to find a program in my area that helped to pay 3 months of rent and a security deposit because living in a hotel you are still legally considered homeless. There were even some that offered me furniture if I had needed it.
For a single person I think living in hotel and dashing can be awesome. You have the freedom of going anywhere you want. I’ve seen YouTubers that dash across the country and just stay in hotel wherever they land for the night. They have the opportunity to dash in areas that have busy markets.
Nah corporate doing that job just fine. I never drove, but I did manage a food joint that got high volume DD sales, left earlier this year. It was genuinely more trouble than it was worth from purely a financial perspective.
They wouldn't pay out on time or they'd short the payout by a LOT ($1-2k/week) and give us a dumb cherry picked excuse. We'd have to call on the next payout to fight for it to be adjusted, sometimes taking a few hours.
Completely out of line.
Even if you got a mcchicken for $3 and 20 percent is 60 cents and you lived 100 miles away, that driver could have just declined.
When I tip , I always use their recommended amount on the app. Is that enough? If their recommended amount is less than 5-6, I always at least give that.
we’re not servers. unless it’s a catering order, a tip is a tip. if a Dasher is unhappy with the estimated payout, they should simply decline the order.
Right. And honestly, as sad as it is you’d probably make more money doing that. I’ve heard of people making a ton panhandling. It’s terrible because a lot don’t need to do it but are greedy and take advantage of peoples sympathy. Not all- but some.
ALSO, she hasn’t picked up the order yet at this moment, so I wasn’t asking her to cancel after she got it.. AND it was an alcohol order.. so I would have to meet her in person to get it..
The balls to actually ask someone that you have to see face-to-face to give you a bigger tip. Not saying you were going to but how do they know you wouldn't have given a cash tip on top of your in app tip. I've had numerous dashes where the tip in the app is only one or two dollars and I get there and then they have a $10 cash hip as well. Some people prefer cash to keeping money on a card so they may very well only have enough money to order just the food. There's many scenarios of how this could have played out. I'm sorry that Dasher did that. Not all of us are like that.
Dude just don’t. Don’t do that. Don’t take the order in the first place. Def don’t ask the customer for more. Just. Don’t. Wow. (I mean he must be new, yeah?)
He shouldn’t have accepted the order if he wasn’t happy with the amount being offered.
But also, keep in mind “20%” means nothing to drivers because the price of the food doesn’t affect our pay whatsoever. 20% of a $20 dollar order is only 4 bucks which is a pretty low tip especially if the drive is pretty far. Either way he just shouldn’t have accepted it if the tip was low.
People are so fucking weird.
If I was DD I would deactivate for that kinda shit but I'm a heartless bastard.
If it wasn't clear I'm talking about the dasher doing the shakedown.
You tipped and dasher asked for more.
I’m sorry dasher is having hard times. But not you problem.
It’s always no tip no trip. You tipped.
Sone dashers, it’s never enough.
what a fucking weirdo. I get it, doordash pays shit and it sucks. but if i ordered food and someone asked that (especially if i already tipped well) i’d be really annoyed.
Yes it’s out of line! You have the opportunity to decline an order If you aren’t happy with the amount. Don’t go begging for bigger tips. It’s not a good look.
I've actually had someone ask me if I can increase my tip a little more because he was going through a hard time and I tripled it. I had the funds to do it and I guess maybe it is a bit odd to ask but I understand the struggle so it didn't bother me to help where I was able.
You got some cajones my friend. I give you respect for that. But I'ma have to take it back cause you ain't got sense to go with it. I drive I would love bigger tips but I'm happy with 2 bucks or something over nothing.
Saying the tip was 20% isn't informative. When I order dd, I don't go by percentage, I tip at least $10, often $15, because I live about 5 miles out of town. I'm also a dasher. The tip percentage is irrelevant. The dollar amount of the tip is.
You accepted the order do the fffing job it’s not a charity and nobody cares if you live on a park bench. If you need help there are charities that may be a fit but asking for More on a contract that you accepted if not on
Do people not have dignity? What’s going on? It wouldn’t even remotely cross my mind to literally BEG another person for more money (unless ur homeless or whatever obviously).Jesus Christ.
It's possible doordash only showed the first $4 of your tip so the driver didn't know there was more pay. Still doesn't excuse the dashers actions though.
My husband recently tipped $8 on an order that’s .6mi away and the dasher messaged us asking if we would like to be generous and tip more and included their Venmo
Some people have absolutely no shame or tact or anything. I don’t care if I was living in a cardboard box, surviving on one can of kidney beans a day and I knew you were a multi millionaire…I would NEVER ask someone to tip me more! Not ever!
There’s always someone that shoots themselves in the foot and here we have a prime example. Like don’t except the order this is dumbest crackhead shit if I e ever seen dumb shit.
I would have not responded until I got my delivery so I didn't have to deal with getting a refund or credit or them possibly doing something to my stuff. Then said nope. And you get a bad rating. That's extremely unprofessional to ask that of you.
I’ve been through tough times. You pull thru by being a decent human being and not putting undo pressure on others. Learn to live out of your car if you have to lol. Idk.
Nah you weren’t. That Dasher is one of the ones who make us look bad. It’s one thing to ask someone to tip more but to say shit like “excuse me?” Don’t cop an attitude with me you little punk ass. Don’t like your circumstances change them yourself. OP’s tip ain’t gonna change your life.
Please report this to doordash
Unfortunately, the burden of bringing this to the company’s attention falls on customers but if you don’t he will keep doing it to everyone
I’m so sorry that you had to deal with this. This is in no way acceptable from a dasher. This is a very unprofessional and immature way to treat you and their job. You said the exact perfect thing.
And remember, you are never an asshole for not wanting to leave a large tip on a doordash order. Every doordasher chooses to accept an order before it is assigned to them, so this person willingly accepted your order, and then asked you to pay them more.
If you’re this dasher, you suck. Grow up.
Are you high? You get what they give you. That's some serious balls to ask someone for a bigger tip. If you aren't happy with it, don't take it. That customer was totally in the right. I can't believe they were so kind about it.
I've been homeless before and was living out of a motel with my dad (long story.) Never once when doing Uber did I ask for a bigger tip (but I did have to explain my trunk situation a couple of times which made things awkward.) I get where the person is coming from because they are having hard times, but in the same breath this was out of line.
I think this is trashy and tacky af! I do door dash I would never dream of telling a customer to change their tip! I don’t know the entire thing so who knows if the order was worth it or what the actual tip really was. All I know is if I accept a order and it’s not worth it I’ll complete the order and keep it moving I dash in the same areas so I got a idea of the non tippers or really low tippers and I just won’t take their orders anymore. She accepted so either complete the order and move on or cancel. They do batch crappy orders with good orders so I’m assuming that’s how she ended up with your order in the first place
It’s people like this are literally ruining this for other drivers. We’re all suffering but if you’re living in a hotel doordash is the last thing you need to be working on. Please get this person fired.
For real! How are you gonna tell the person you’re delivering food to that you really need money. DONT WE ALL??? No one is just fucked and in a hotel in an instant everyone makes choices and decisions so this person let shit slide till they got to the begging stage and it’s gross
Exactly. You’ve got to know when this isn’t working out and move on to something that will keep you afloat. I am almost there. Don’t think I’ll be working this joke next year if it gets any worse.
Bro this is out of line. You can’t ask the diner for more tip. That is not how you do things… I’d say it was a new driver. I hope so cus a vet driver would never ever do this. Got a lot to learn. Sheesh 🙄 sorry on this drivers behalf
Wrong of that dasher IMHO. However, I can appreciate the need for slightly better tips…I think a lot of us dashers are at that point. I won’t accept an order for less than $2 per mile from restaurant to customer. For example say you lived 10 miles from the store, I don’t know if it’s a small French fry order from McDonald’s or an order of 50 20 piece nuggets and 46 packets of honey mustard. If the total isn’t $20 (door dash only ever pays me $2 for some reason so you could probably tip $18 depending on your location) I wouldn’t take it. If you lived 5 miles tip 10. However if you live 2 miles or less I would suggest tipping $3 or $5 (if you can afford it )at a minimum I refuse to accept orders less than $5…unless I’m really hard up for cash.
TL;DR. Tip $2 per miles from restaurant…or minimum $3-5. Pick up food, deliver food, on to the next one.
You tip by mile not percent man. 8 miles away from you, you should be tipping at least 16 imo I always tip $2 per mile since as a driver I would never take anything under $2 a mile and the guaranteed pay around here is $3.
The Dasher has zero cuth at all. Soliciting tips is tacky & disrespectful. I would cancel the order and call DD support about the Dasher. Their living situation isn't anyone's problem but theirs.
I would not be upset if you are really hurting. It's ok to let people know you need help. Us humans are supposed to stick together and help each other out. But we live in a selfish me me me society. If you can afford to order in food you can afford to tip $10 ! Fuck doordash most people don't tip worth a shit.
Probably the tip is hidden, driver thinks you tipped less but we don't know what showed up on their screen at acceptance, but regardless as a driver you shouldn't ask of this from the customer.
How much did you spend if you don't mind me asking? Not that the guy asking is really appropriate although, he was nice about it but when you say 20%, you make it sound like it was a gigantic tip but in reality, if you spent $20, then a 20% tip is $4 which isn't necessarily big. Although, I wouldn't really complain about a $4 tip because some people tip less or don't tip at all
I was dropping my daughter off at my ex husbands house one night and he received a text that was almost identical to this one. Turns out everyone else was also receiving this text no matter what the initial tip was. I think it’s insane. Could you imagine if waiters and waitresses did this as customers were walking out the door?
It's against contract, since the contract was made by you, with the amount given, and he accepted it meaning he now either has to unassign it or complete it per contract obligations. Asking for more money goes against the accepted contract and needs to be reported as this is a contract violation.
No you weren’t out of line at all, don’t worry. Your reply was helpful and respectful.
To me, the driver comes across as greedy and it gives me a “scammer” feeling. I highly doubt you were the first person they’ve tried this on. Not cool. If they didn’t like the amount of gratuity for some reason, then that’s their problem and not yours. Instead of disrespectfully asking for more money & playing a sympathy card, they should have simply not accepted the order. I hope this doesn’t happen to you again, they’re lame :)
I don't think the " excuse me?" Was meant in an angry way . I think
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Yeah, that's out of line. It's on him whether or not to accept the order, including whatever the tip is. To ask for more on top of that is cheesy as hell.
You're not out of line at all. The DoorDash driver is. He's trying to guilt trip you for a higher tip, all while essentially holding your food ransom. Then has the fucking nerve to say "Excuse me" as if he has the moral high ground. Your response was very tame. Personally I wouldn't have answered until the food was delivered. Even then, I would've considered the following options:
a) not replying at all
b) replying with a cold, simple "No."
c) annoy him by not responding directly to what he's asking and just stating the known: "I already tipped."
as a person who works in the restaurant that the order is picked up from, your dasher is getting all the tip $$ from just taking the food from A to B. 90% of the time they can’t even do that correctly (stealing food/mixing up multiple orders) and the dashers have an attitude with US. meanwhile the restaurant employees bust their ass to make the food/secure it for to-go/and get it out to them. smh
Hi...
Shame on the driver asking for more than your very generous 20%...
But.
FYI, Doordash hides most big tips from us drivers.
Our base pay starts at $2.00.
At $6.50, Doordash hides the true payout.
We don't know that there is a decent tip until after we confirm that the orders are delivered and confirmed as completed.
I am not saying it's right, but that's probably why the Dasher asked for a bigger tip.
You tipped fair, but Doordash probably hid your generous tip from the drivers.
If it took a long time for your order to get accepted by a Dasher, it's because Doordash showed multiple drivers mediocre pay.
I suggest calling Doordash and complaining about them hiding tips from the drivers.
Best wishes.
As a dasher I wouldn't do this. There's plenty of orders to be had. In fact just tonight I made $20/hr. for 2 hours (only worked 2 hours because it was getting fairly late). And I just took the typical paying orders.
20% of what is my first question? Secondly I'll just point out that there are doordashers that beg for more money every single trip by default. You could tip $50 for a 2 mile order and they would still ask for more.
I don’t know much about door dash, but personally I work in the service industry and I would consider the text the dasher sent very rude. 20% is a perfectly acceptable standard tip. The guilt tripping is not cool. Sorry that happened to you! Very unprofessional of them
How much was the order? Don't rip by %, tip based on order difficulty (how long of a wait is the restaurant usually, how far from the restaurant are you, and how many bags are the criteria to consider).
20% can be too little on smaller orders, or way more than enough on bigger orders. Like if I ordered somewhere really nice and the total was $100 for one or two bags, and the restaurant is only 4 miles away, no way in hell am I tipping $20. But at the same time a $3 tip on McDonald's $15 order where they have to wait 20 minutes in the drive thru is unfairly low.
(I'm not defending the driver to clarify, they're an asshole. This isn't a job where you panhandle, he could have dropped the order if he didn't feel it was fair)
You…what? Are you kidding? No! You don’t message your customer asking for a bigger tip. What…?
Wait.. I hope you know I’m the customer, not the dasher!
Nope. Asking for a bigger tip is tacky. Just don't accept it, if that dasher didn't want to do it. You're in the right.
It is very tacky and out of bounds.
What's even worse is the posts I see on here playing the pity game. "I'm a single mother struggling with 3 kids and any extra tips go towards feeding my children. I hope you have a fantabulous day! :)"
Puke. We all strugglin out here if we are DDin. Unless you have an electric car maybe. Idk.
Which is why I said what I said. My breath was taken away by the audacity of the dasher, asking for more.
I’m a dasher. Sometimes I take sucky orders. I understand the temptation to do something like this. However I’ve never done it. I don’t cancel orders. And I find this to be inappropriate on the dashers end. Also instead of thinking in terms of percent… think in terms of the miles. Gas prices the way they are we need $1.50-2 per mile
Is that $1.50-2 per mile for just the tip, or are you including the driver delivery fee in that computation as well?
That is the total for the trip but what most customers don't understand is that DD and most of the other gig companies pay the drivers very little. Usually around 2-3 bucks.We get $2.50 orders for 10-30 miles all the time and it doesn't even cover the expenses we incur. Still does not make what this driver did right and I would report them.
you just decline those offers.
Report this to door dash..this is harassment…you don’t know if these folks will come to your door..plus they have your home address Report them..they won’t know it’s you
We know you are the customer. Essentiallynothing was just saying that dashers don’t just ask customers for more tip
You can’t even change the tip anyways on DoorDash
You can always add cash at the door. I've done that a couple times.
You can change your tip. I’ve increased the tip amounts when the dasher follows instructions when delivering food in bad weather or late at night etc I simply contacted support on chat - gave them my name + email address and ask them to adjust the tip.
Yes you can. You just message support. I've increased my tip before when Dashers end up waiting longer than normal. Not saying what this person did was okay but you can adjust the tip after.
You don’t but if it was just that alone I’d be more understanding, they’re going through a rough time. Getting angry when refused is just unacceptable
Maybe it's because I'm a pessimist, but I think it's just a con. They're just saying that for sympathy and more money. Either way, if 20% equals roughly $4 or more, then it's enough of a tip.
I bet they copy-paste this all the time to customers. Can't imagine it has a high success rate, though.
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They don't even need to dip below 4.2. Begging for tips can get them deactivated regardless of their ratings.
I’m always anxious about this. I usually give 20% and nothing below $5. Is that normal.
I would say that should be normal but it's not. Very sweet of you though.
For me personally, in my market, I don't except anything under $6 ($2.50 base + min $3.50 tip) unless it is extremely busy and the distances and wait times are really short. I'll take a $5 order if I know for certain the time to complete is 15 min or less. Excluding that rare occurrence, a $3.50 - $4 minimum tip is what I look for. If you are comfortable with a $5 minimum, I see nothing wrong with that. The point here, though, is the begging for more. No driver should be begging for tips. If you have to beg for more, you should have never taken the order in the first place, however, I'm leaning more to this being a scam and not necessarily a case of low/no tip to begin with.
Not necessarily a scam, as I said before. Could be desperation, it could have been a rough day or close to the end of the night & orders are getting thin. Maybe they are x amount of dollars away from that room. It is a real struggle to have to move every day if you can't make the payment and/or payment deadline to keep your room. I would NEVER ask someone that tipped to tip more but I do understand this Dasher's particular struggle. I live in a hotel when I can make enough for the room which is usually every day except Tuesday. For some reason, Tuesdays are rough in my market.
I just wonder how much the order was for them to be asking more. You could say “the tip was 20% though” but have an insanely small order.
That's pretty good. But tbh it's all about the mileage from the restaurant to your location times 2 (because the dasher has to return to the area where the restaurants are to get a new order). Most dashers won't move for under $1.50/$2.00 per mile at minimum. Just something to keep in mind. :)
So if the restaurant is 7.3 miles from my house how do I know how much a dasher gets paid? I always overtip but quit using DoorDash bc there are too many reasons why your food gets to you not fresh or takes forever.
The dasher gets paid about $2.25 REGARDLESS of miles unless your order is sitting for awhile then they start throwing quarters on it. It's not a tip it's a bid for service period. How much is it worth to you to not load up the kids in your car to do a mcds run?
I've always more than overtipped and wondered why my food would still take so long or the dasher would change. After talking to some dashers and reading Reddit I found out multiple reasons. I don't understand why they would not let you see the full tip and/or the comments that there's a cash tip. Having been a server I always preferred cash tips but was informed by more than one dasher that the fact I actually said I was going to tip extra in cash and did was rare.
When it says or they text you cash tip, 99.9999% of the time, maury povich determined it was a lie lol
I ordered from Walmart.Com two day shipping and it showed up that same night. I just happened to catch the girl in driveway and gave her a tip, she really appreciated it and from talking with her I realized they're getting doordashers to deliver stuff unbeknownst to the person who ordered it. It happened another time and I told them when I order I'm ordering two day shipping and it isn't like when you order groceries there's no option for a tip. I quit ordering from them bc of this issue. How would I know they are sending a doordasher that day? It's all wild to me, I don't know how people put up with working for them
I like cash tips but 99.9% of orders without tips DO NOT give cash tips when you arrive. Most people who say they give cash tips are flat out lying.
Yup. This is why I've started figuring people are lying to my face until their prove me wrong. Most of the customers are cheap and lazy.
I’ve actually texted my dasher as soon as they were assigned and let them know. Hey, I dash too at times and know DD hides tips. Just FYI I left $$$. Most of the time I do it when end up being too lazy to go to the store like a mile away, or the fast food close to my house. I know they’re gonna hide the closer stuff a lot of the time.
Doordash doesn't show the full tip on some orders in an attempt to trick newer Dashers into taking crappy orders on the off chance that there will be more money in it than it appears (on small enough orders, that's never the case, but some of those middling amounts are tricky). For a while, we managed to learn their tip hiding algorithm, and were able to really reward the people who tipped appropriately. Unfortunately, once Doordash realized that, they changed it, and it's much harder to gauge, now. We would love to provide better service to better tippers, but Doordash prevents us from being able to distinguish between the good and the bad, because they want all customers to be served, regardless of how little they value that service.
This is a better way people need to think about it. As I’ve grown older I finally understand why people will pay for others to do things for them. In my younger years I didn’t always get why people didn’t just do something’s themselves. Now, I will literally pay you extra to ignore DD’s route because they don’t understand detours for some damn reason. I just want my damn tacos to be hot, not taken on a scenic route of Iowa.
THIS...Really is how DD should be framing the whole idea of "TIPS" It really is a bid to get service faster. Higher bids get accepted faster. And idk bout yall, but when a customer is "tipping" well. I do everything I can to make sure their food is right and FAST. If I have a double order, the better bid gets it first. Every time
$1.50 per mile from restaurant to home. That should get your order picked faster from a driver and delivered. Anything less and you are risking time wasted trying to find a Dasher for that low paying order.
$5 has always been the minimum for delivery drivers though technically it should have gone up with inflation so it would be at least $10 dollars or more if it kept up. However, restaurant delivery drivers only drive within a few mile radius. I'm not saying you necessarily have to tip over 10 dollars every time but you should consider how far they are driving with the understanding that they might be right next to the restaurant when they accept or over 5 miles away from the restaurant. These apps allow you to order from well over 10 miles away so it depends on how far away it is. To make money people generally need to make $1.5/mile or more. Generally the apps will pay $2/$2.50 for base pay. Example, So, $2.50+$5=$7.50 Miles 10 Result - drivers will decline and be annoyed at the customer Example 2, $7.50 Miles 2 You will get a driver quickly and they will be happy
If I can’t give $5 minimum, I don’t order.
If you’re not a far distance yeah. 2.50+5 is 7.50, but it’ll show up as a hidden tip to the dashers probably at 6.50.
Which means the tip was hidden or at $6.50. the dasher should assume it's a hidden tip if that money equals miles. So they're either a dumbass not knowing about hidden tip threshold or they ask all their customers that
Totally inappropriate , in my humble opinion : “your emergency is not my problem “! A safer shouldn’t ask a customer for a higher tip
People have no morals anymore and it’s sad. Really really sad.
It's the same as it's always been. There are just more people and less space now.
I've done it once but that was only because the guy gave an incorrect address and didn't send me a text notifying me until I almost got to the the original address in the app which was his girlfriends house. I had to drive an 4 extra miles to him and told him I expected a bigger tip for the inconvenience. The guy didn't give me a damn thing. Not a pleasant experience. Now, if they give an incorrect address, I make it known that I'm leaving the order at the address given. They can come get it. It's not my problem, I did my part
Completely out of line to ask for more tip. If the order wasn’t good enough for them, they didn’t have to accept it.
Definitely. Every dasher knows “20% tip” means fuck all because there are so many mitigating factors- distance, wait times, delivery location/circumstances. And no one’s impressed by a 20% tip when your meal cost $8. But like you said, no one makes us accept these orders. I might bitch about the platform and their practices from time to time, but you’ll never hear me complain about the pay of an individual order because I choose the ones worth my time and effort.
“If not I understand” “No” “Excuse me?” GIRL if you don’t let your two brain cells communicate simultaneously you’ve got bigger problems
I LIVE IN A HOTEL MYSELF, I NEVER ASKED FOR MORE TIP!! I full time gig work while I'm working on another project. I just had delivery to me, and I messed up my tip ,the app wouldn't let me adjust so I sent her more in cash app.. hustle more or manage $$ Better.
Hey I’m not the only dasher who lives in a hotel… idk if that makes me feel better or angrier at DoorDash 🤨
Makes me feel better.. It's a roof, bed, and all the things needed to survive
Lived in hotel 2 years while dashing. Was a constant battle to make anything extra, and I literally only made enough for the hotel + gas so I couldn’t have survived without assistance like food stamps and the occasional help from my family but towards the end I found the best way to manage it was to use hotels where I could earn points. With Expedia I was earning enough points that every 6th day I earned a free night. So I was only paying for 6 days instead of 7. I also found a few options for AirBnB that were cheaper than the hotel if you don’t mind doing like a furnished basement or room rent deal in someone’s home but I found it was hard to find openings because they were always booked solid. My area is a tourist spot though so that contributed to the difficulty finding openings for AirBnB. I was lucky enough to find a program in my area that helped to pay 3 months of rent and a security deposit because living in a hotel you are still legally considered homeless. There were even some that offered me furniture if I had needed it. For a single person I think living in hotel and dashing can be awesome. You have the freedom of going anywhere you want. I’ve seen YouTubers that dash across the country and just stay in hotel wherever they land for the night. They have the opportunity to dash in areas that have busy markets.
How is it doordash's fault for yall living in a hotel? They didn't put you there.
You’ll see one day you’ll wake up bam hotel living it’s the dasher hotel and Tony’s the landlords learn to read the fine print
This is why doordash has such a bad reputation.
Nah corporate doing that job just fine. I never drove, but I did manage a food joint that got high volume DD sales, left earlier this year. It was genuinely more trouble than it was worth from purely a financial perspective. They wouldn't pay out on time or they'd short the payout by a LOT ($1-2k/week) and give us a dumb cherry picked excuse. We'd have to call on the next payout to fight for it to be adjusted, sometimes taking a few hours.
Yeah as a fellow driver I’d tell ‘em to fuck off… your life problems are not my burden to bear, sorry!
Completely out of line. Even if you got a mcchicken for $3 and 20 percent is 60 cents and you lived 100 miles away, that driver could have just declined.
Man I remember when those were on the dollar menu.
The Mc gang bang was where it’s at
A.K.A "the MC Faaawwwkkk"
When I tip , I always use their recommended amount on the app. Is that enough? If their recommended amount is less than 5-6, I always at least give that.
Same. 20% or $5 as the minimum.
That is so unprofessional and tacky of that driver. Jeez
They really need to get rid of dashers like this. Report them immediately
they expect you to call customer support and add to your already generous tip? I’d email support and complain about this Dasher. what a leech.
I apologize; not all of us are like that.
20% being a generous tip depends on how much the order was. Regardless begging for tips isn’t a good look. Driver shouldn’t do this.
we’re not servers. unless it’s a catering order, a tip is a tip. if a Dasher is unhappy with the estimated payout, they should simply decline the order.
I would have told them to go fuck themselves, and then reported them.
you should’ve just reported them, based off the message i can tell they’ve said something like that before
Yeah they copy/pasted that line all night, and I'm sure someone took the bait.
Oh man I would be so nervous to eat that food after they dropped that “excuse me”.
Just get a cardboard sign and stand at the busy intersection if your that stupid to ask your customer for more of a tip. Unfuckingbelievable!!
Right. And honestly, as sad as it is you’d probably make more money doing that. I’ve heard of people making a ton panhandling. It’s terrible because a lot don’t need to do it but are greedy and take advantage of peoples sympathy. Not all- but some.
very well said. Truth!
Driver shouldn’t have done that. 20% tip can also be total shit
The customer was right. Dasher could drop it if the tip was too low for them.
That’s just so weird to ask for a bigger tip. Some people don’t tip well but that’s on them.
ALSO, she hasn’t picked up the order yet at this moment, so I wasn’t asking her to cancel after she got it.. AND it was an alcohol order.. so I would have to meet her in person to get it..
I would never ask a customer for more money, no matter what. That is very tacky and extremely rude.
Report her to door dash. She needs fired. Unreal.
The balls to actually ask someone that you have to see face-to-face to give you a bigger tip. Not saying you were going to but how do they know you wouldn't have given a cash tip on top of your in app tip. I've had numerous dashes where the tip in the app is only one or two dollars and I get there and then they have a $10 cash hip as well. Some people prefer cash to keeping money on a card so they may very well only have enough money to order just the food. There's many scenarios of how this could have played out. I'm sorry that Dasher did that. Not all of us are like that.
Acceptable response: I hear OnlyFans and GoFundMe are accepting new accounts since you don't want to do your current job
Dude just don’t. Don’t do that. Don’t take the order in the first place. Def don’t ask the customer for more. Just. Don’t. Wow. (I mean he must be new, yeah?)
this ladies got some big balls to be asking such a thing. ive been flat broke dashing and this has never once past my mind to ask.
Hey no worries I'll call support and tell them to change the tip, as soon as they leave "Hi support I made a mistake and meant to tip 20 cent" 😆
And that's how to get deactivated
This is waaay wrong. Never do this.
This driver needs to be deactivated.
I would rather die than beg a customer for more money. Wow
He shouldn’t have accepted the order if he wasn’t happy with the amount being offered. But also, keep in mind “20%” means nothing to drivers because the price of the food doesn’t affect our pay whatsoever. 20% of a $20 dollar order is only 4 bucks which is a pretty low tip especially if the drive is pretty far. Either way he just shouldn’t have accepted it if the tip was low.
The person saw and agreed to the amount shown anything more that hidden is extra. Do your best to report and block that scammer
No absolutely unacceptable!!! If they aren’t okay with the tip then that’s on them for choosing to accept
People are so fucking weird. If I was DD I would deactivate for that kinda shit but I'm a heartless bastard. If it wasn't clear I'm talking about the dasher doing the shakedown.
Eeek. Yeah, DoorDash isn’t for panhandling.
nah what the fu*k doordash drivers r never to say anything like that 😭
This is what I call a beggar being a chooser.
You tipped and dasher asked for more. I’m sorry dasher is having hard times. But not you problem. It’s always no tip no trip. You tipped. Sone dashers, it’s never enough.
what a fucking weirdo. I get it, doordash pays shit and it sucks. but if i ordered food and someone asked that (especially if i already tipped well) i’d be really annoyed.
Yes it’s out of line! You have the opportunity to decline an order If you aren’t happy with the amount. Don’t go begging for bigger tips. It’s not a good look.
I've actually had someone ask me if I can increase my tip a little more because he was going through a hard time and I tripled it. I had the funds to do it and I guess maybe it is a bit odd to ask but I understand the struggle so it didn't bother me to help where I was able.
Only time I ever seen anyone stay in a hotel cause of “hard times” was when they had warrants or selling drugs and he warrants lol
So what ended up happening?
You got some cajones my friend. I give you respect for that. But I'ma have to take it back cause you ain't got sense to go with it. I drive I would love bigger tips but I'm happy with 2 bucks or something over nothing.
Saying the tip was 20% isn't informative. When I order dd, I don't go by percentage, I tip at least $10, often $15, because I live about 5 miles out of town. I'm also a dasher. The tip percentage is irrelevant. The dollar amount of the tip is.
Shouldn’t tip be based on travel time, distance & number of bags type thing??? Not the price of the food?
You should’ve tipped them 20000% after this request
You accepted the order do the fffing job it’s not a charity and nobody cares if you live on a park bench. If you need help there are charities that may be a fit but asking for More on a contract that you accepted if not on
I love the response. Healthy boundary.
Do people not have dignity? What’s going on? It wouldn’t even remotely cross my mind to literally BEG another person for more money (unless ur homeless or whatever obviously).Jesus Christ.
Driver is completely in the wrong. That being said, do not tip drivers based on percentages. 20% of $15 is $3.
It's possible doordash only showed the first $4 of your tip so the driver didn't know there was more pay. Still doesn't excuse the dashers actions though.
As a driver, I would NEVER ask someone to tip more. That's disgusting.
I feel like 20% is pretty standard and acceptable. Ur good my friend.
Did you get your food? I hope you reported them to doordash.
My husband recently tipped $8 on an order that’s .6mi away and the dasher messaged us asking if we would like to be generous and tip more and included their Venmo
Some people have absolutely no shame or tact or anything. I don’t care if I was living in a cardboard box, surviving on one can of kidney beans a day and I knew you were a multi millionaire…I would NEVER ask someone to tip me more! Not ever!
No, someone asking for a larger tip is out of line. Your response is one I hope we all share.
This person is an idiot. Do not tip any extra. People like this needs to be deactivated
There’s always someone that shoots themselves in the foot and here we have a prime example. Like don’t except the order this is dumbest crackhead shit if I e ever seen dumb shit.
Drivers are free of consequence to decline any order they want. If they wanted a bigger tip they can wait for it like everyone else.
I would have not responded until I got my delivery so I didn't have to deal with getting a refund or credit or them possibly doing something to my stuff. Then said nope. And you get a bad rating. That's extremely unprofessional to ask that of you.
The tip could have been zero. This is creepy and unprofessional to say the least! I understand taking on hard times but fuuck
Yea that’s tacky af. You’re panhandling online basically.
Dude i just deliver the food. if the distance is reasonable, $5 is enough. no wonder there's a stupid amt of fighting between both sides
Its not anyones problem but the driver. You don’t beg for additional money and expect to be respected.
I’ve been through tough times. You pull thru by being a decent human being and not putting undo pressure on others. Learn to live out of your car if you have to lol. Idk.
The pseudo sense of superiority in this sub is so fucking pathetic
Nah you weren’t. That Dasher is one of the ones who make us look bad. It’s one thing to ask someone to tip more but to say shit like “excuse me?” Don’t cop an attitude with me you little punk ass. Don’t like your circumstances change them yourself. OP’s tip ain’t gonna change your life.
The nuggets on this driver lmaooo no way I wld do this. I wld just not accept. Probably a junkie
Please report this to doordash Unfortunately, the burden of bringing this to the company’s attention falls on customers but if you don’t he will keep doing it to everyone
Definitely out of line what the driver asked for. That driver is a bum with zero self awareness.
Message doordash. As a driver this isnt how it works
I’m so sorry that you had to deal with this. This is in no way acceptable from a dasher. This is a very unprofessional and immature way to treat you and their job. You said the exact perfect thing. And remember, you are never an asshole for not wanting to leave a large tip on a doordash order. Every doordasher chooses to accept an order before it is assigned to them, so this person willingly accepted your order, and then asked you to pay them more. If you’re this dasher, you suck. Grow up.
I mean… 20% of WHAT? For most small orders, 20% is kinda shitty considering the driver used their own gas and vehicle to come to you.
They didn't have to accept the order though.
Are you high? You get what they give you. That's some serious balls to ask someone for a bigger tip. If you aren't happy with it, don't take it. That customer was totally in the right. I can't believe they were so kind about it.
Dasher is a degen
I've been homeless before and was living out of a motel with my dad (long story.) Never once when doing Uber did I ask for a bigger tip (but I did have to explain my trunk situation a couple of times which made things awkward.) I get where the person is coming from because they are having hard times, but in the same breath this was out of line.
I think this is trashy and tacky af! I do door dash I would never dream of telling a customer to change their tip! I don’t know the entire thing so who knows if the order was worth it or what the actual tip really was. All I know is if I accept a order and it’s not worth it I’ll complete the order and keep it moving I dash in the same areas so I got a idea of the non tippers or really low tippers and I just won’t take their orders anymore. She accepted so either complete the order and move on or cancel. They do batch crappy orders with good orders so I’m assuming that’s how she ended up with your order in the first place
So tacky I would’ve canceled it for sure so unprofessional
Bro leave personal shit out of work
It’s people like this are literally ruining this for other drivers. We’re all suffering but if you’re living in a hotel doordash is the last thing you need to be working on. Please get this person fired.
For real! How are you gonna tell the person you’re delivering food to that you really need money. DONT WE ALL??? No one is just fucked and in a hotel in an instant everyone makes choices and decisions so this person let shit slide till they got to the begging stage and it’s gross
Exactly. You’ve got to know when this isn’t working out and move on to something that will keep you afloat. I am almost there. Don’t think I’ll be working this joke next year if it gets any worse.
Bro this is out of line. You can’t ask the diner for more tip. That is not how you do things… I’d say it was a new driver. I hope so cus a vet driver would never ever do this. Got a lot to learn. Sheesh 🙄 sorry on this drivers behalf
just don’t respond lol
I would cancel the order if I got this text.
Wow you’re kind of a POS for that. They tipped you but it’s not good enough, go get an hourly or something then. SMH.
Wrong of that dasher IMHO. However, I can appreciate the need for slightly better tips…I think a lot of us dashers are at that point. I won’t accept an order for less than $2 per mile from restaurant to customer. For example say you lived 10 miles from the store, I don’t know if it’s a small French fry order from McDonald’s or an order of 50 20 piece nuggets and 46 packets of honey mustard. If the total isn’t $20 (door dash only ever pays me $2 for some reason so you could probably tip $18 depending on your location) I wouldn’t take it. If you lived 5 miles tip 10. However if you live 2 miles or less I would suggest tipping $3 or $5 (if you can afford it )at a minimum I refuse to accept orders less than $5…unless I’m really hard up for cash. TL;DR. Tip $2 per miles from restaurant…or minimum $3-5. Pick up food, deliver food, on to the next one.
Y’all have no shame
You tip by mile not percent man. 8 miles away from you, you should be tipping at least 16 imo I always tip $2 per mile since as a driver I would never take anything under $2 a mile and the guaranteed pay around here is $3.
I would have canceled the order if my door dasher sent me that foolishness and not even replied to the message. Are you serious?!?
I only dash I don't order. I think 20% is more than enough
The Dasher has zero cuth at all. Soliciting tips is tacky & disrespectful. I would cancel the order and call DD support about the Dasher. Their living situation isn't anyone's problem but theirs.
I would not be upset if you are really hurting. It's ok to let people know you need help. Us humans are supposed to stick together and help each other out. But we live in a selfish me me me society. If you can afford to order in food you can afford to tip $10 ! Fuck doordash most people don't tip worth a shit.
I don't think people understand what a tip is
You're putting someone that already tipped you 20% with your sob story, true or not, is definitely not cool.
I am high asf on lsd as i type this and still i understand our confusion 🙃
Probably the tip is hidden, driver thinks you tipped less but we don't know what showed up on their screen at acceptance, but regardless as a driver you shouldn't ask of this from the customer.
What a chump. Report so they are deactivated!
Report/ 1 star. Dasher definitely out of line and makes the rest of us look bad.
How much did you spend if you don't mind me asking? Not that the guy asking is really appropriate although, he was nice about it but when you say 20%, you make it sound like it was a gigantic tip but in reality, if you spent $20, then a 20% tip is $4 which isn't necessarily big. Although, I wouldn't really complain about a $4 tip because some people tip less or don't tip at all
I was dropping my daughter off at my ex husbands house one night and he received a text that was almost identical to this one. Turns out everyone else was also receiving this text no matter what the initial tip was. I think it’s insane. Could you imagine if waiters and waitresses did this as customers were walking out the door?
It's against contract, since the contract was made by you, with the amount given, and he accepted it meaning he now either has to unassign it or complete it per contract obligations. Asking for more money goes against the accepted contract and needs to be reported as this is a contract violation.
No you weren’t out of line at all, don’t worry. Your reply was helpful and respectful. To me, the driver comes across as greedy and it gives me a “scammer” feeling. I highly doubt you were the first person they’ve tried this on. Not cool. If they didn’t like the amount of gratuity for some reason, then that’s their problem and not yours. Instead of disrespectfully asking for more money & playing a sympathy card, they should have simply not accepted the order. I hope this doesn’t happen to you again, they’re lame :)
Yes, out of line. Soliciting for extra tips is highly unprofessional. His domicile and residential status has nothing to do with the customer, at all
I don't think the " excuse me?" Was meant in an angry way . I think It was more confusion . Cause they Asked your For more tip Money and you told Them they could Cancel if they wanted to. Which might of confused them. They probly Were expecting a yes or No answer . Either way , it's crazy they asked you this
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No, the excuse me part was though. You knew what they meant. Just don’t take low tip orders and you won’t have this problem.
Yeah, that's out of line. It's on him whether or not to accept the order, including whatever the tip is. To ask for more on top of that is cheesy as hell.
Hey this is your delivery driver. My crack addiction is accelerating pretty bad…
Definitely out of line. A tip is a gift and not required. Although I’ve always worked tipped positions, I would never be this brazen.
Yeah the customer response to that is it's either passive aggressive or it just makes no sense
This is a lose-lose scenario. I’d cancel the order immediately. Either you tip more, or they’ll mess with the food
You're not out of line at all. The DoorDash driver is. He's trying to guilt trip you for a higher tip, all while essentially holding your food ransom. Then has the fucking nerve to say "Excuse me" as if he has the moral high ground. Your response was very tame. Personally I wouldn't have answered until the food was delivered. Even then, I would've considered the following options: a) not replying at all b) replying with a cold, simple "No." c) annoy him by not responding directly to what he's asking and just stating the known: "I already tipped."
as a person who works in the restaurant that the order is picked up from, your dasher is getting all the tip $$ from just taking the food from A to B. 90% of the time they can’t even do that correctly (stealing food/mixing up multiple orders) and the dashers have an attitude with US. meanwhile the restaurant employees bust their ass to make the food/secure it for to-go/and get it out to them. smh
Hi... Shame on the driver asking for more than your very generous 20%... But. FYI, Doordash hides most big tips from us drivers. Our base pay starts at $2.00. At $6.50, Doordash hides the true payout. We don't know that there is a decent tip until after we confirm that the orders are delivered and confirmed as completed. I am not saying it's right, but that's probably why the Dasher asked for a bigger tip. You tipped fair, but Doordash probably hid your generous tip from the drivers. If it took a long time for your order to get accepted by a Dasher, it's because Doordash showed multiple drivers mediocre pay. I suggest calling Doordash and complaining about them hiding tips from the drivers. Best wishes.
No u don’t do that!!!!
More than okay. It’s cringey to see that drivers really message nonsense like this.
That driver a fuckin bum
I don’t blame the customer. I would be pissed if something messaged me that.
As a dasher I wouldn't do this. There's plenty of orders to be had. In fact just tonight I made $20/hr. for 2 hours (only worked 2 hours because it was getting fairly late). And I just took the typical paying orders.
This type of dasher is a disgrace of the gig community. EW
This shit is rude and unprofessional af. I know it's just a delivery job but come on now. I'd be hella tempted to not top him at all after this shit
I probably wouldn't have responded until after I got my food out of concern they'd mess with it.
20% of what is my first question? Secondly I'll just point out that there are doordashers that beg for more money every single trip by default. You could tip $50 for a 2 mile order and they would still ask for more.
You were not out of like at all. I don't get why some drivers think it's okay to do this
I don’t know much about door dash, but personally I work in the service industry and I would consider the text the dasher sent very rude. 20% is a perfectly acceptable standard tip. The guilt tripping is not cool. Sorry that happened to you! Very unprofessional of them
This is so rude.
How much was the order? Don't rip by %, tip based on order difficulty (how long of a wait is the restaurant usually, how far from the restaurant are you, and how many bags are the criteria to consider). 20% can be too little on smaller orders, or way more than enough on bigger orders. Like if I ordered somewhere really nice and the total was $100 for one or two bags, and the restaurant is only 4 miles away, no way in hell am I tipping $20. But at the same time a $3 tip on McDonald's $15 order where they have to wait 20 minutes in the drive thru is unfairly low. (I'm not defending the driver to clarify, they're an asshole. This isn't a job where you panhandle, he could have dropped the order if he didn't feel it was fair)