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Turrribull1

r/nothowdrugswork


Tobus123

Trying to keep that sub alive I seešŸ„²


neuspeed674

have been putting a copy of crime and punishment on my forehead every night while I sleep to not be dumb as shit anymore and so far it has not worked :( Iā€™m still dyslexic and watching conspiracy theory YouTube vids, v disappointed 0/10


tayfun333

You need to put the copy of crime and punishment on your head and wear a tinfoil hat above that it will shield your brain from all other things except the energy of crime and punishment


tayfun333

Oh and beeing dyslexic is not that bad and conspiracy theories are quite entertaining, so don't judge yourself and have fun just don't take yourself to serious


TheBigSmoke420

Put some Notes of encouragement in the margins. Like ā€˜you can do itā€™ and ā€˜he did what now?!ā€™.


Mikhal_Tikhal_Intrn

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elDani_uwu

That can happen with stramonium tho


elDani_uwu

I have a friend that did put leaves of stramonium under his pillow before sleeping, he told me he was playing chess against a bike in his dreams


The_Barbelo

Mugwort/ wormwood (artemisia) does that too. It grows here like a weed and I dry it/ make tea out of it. Itā€™s interesting. It makes a lovely smudging bundle too,


TheLeBlanc

Mugwort tea does make for some interesting dreams.


clarkthegiraffe

I thought mugwort and wormwood were two different things, TIL. Just googled it and apparently it's like a squares and rectangles thing. Mugwort refers to the genus, wormwood is a species within the genus. I have a bunch dried at home, didn't know you could make tea with it! Will try when I get home


The_Barbelo

Mugwort is applied to all plants in the genus Artemisia , wormwood being Artemisia absinthium! There are 300 species, all medicinal. Some are toxic in high doses (including wormwood), but some are used culinarily. Common mugwort is artemisia vulgaris, which is what grows wild in North America. Itā€™s naturalized except for Alaska where itā€™s native).


wikum00

They're "different" enough that they are identifiable as separate but they are both a variety of the ornamental artemisia herb


The_Barbelo

Mugwort often refers to all artemisia but vulgaris is whatā€™s known as common mugwort.


wikum00

They're all so fun to smoke and go directly to bed with the taste in your mouth lol. Afternoon naps with a lunchtime mugwort bong are the absolute best way to spend a Sunday. Makes my dreams vivid and lucid.


The_Barbelo

Yeah, I used them to induce lucid dreaming and it definitely worked. There are some outside of my apartment that Iā€™m fixing to harvest soon. They donā€™t use chemical weed killers/ fertilizer around here fortunately. Iā€™ve mixed it with lower thc/ high cbd cannabis a few times for a very relaxing smoke.


wikum00

Cbd + artemisia herb is a God tier combo for sleep, I've found it growing rampant in the woods near my house and every time I pass through I take a sprig or 2. I smoked it often with plain-leaf salvia divinorum a few months back when I was doing meditation work with Sally, the visuals and the vibes were also god tier šŸ’Æ


TheLeBlanc

That's the folklore, but it really doesn't.


dermander

This is called magical thinking. Get a rigid set of rules for your superstition and itā€™s called religion.


Broad-Meringue

Lol Reddit is so full of ā€œLOGiC n SCIENCE ONLYā€ mfs. No wonder yā€™all never have cool experiences like this. Same type to say ā€œitā€™s not activeā€ because you personally didnā€™t get effects or yields šŸ˜‚


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Broad-Meringue

Yes I am yelling. Science is so upsetting šŸ˜¢šŸ˜¢šŸ˜¢


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Broad-Meringue

Thatā€™s sick hope you feel good šŸ˜Š


Boris740

Science, unlike politics or religion, is a self-correcting process.


Broad-Meringue

Deep


dermander

The method of uncovering the behavior of our matter


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newhaircut989

I was just as surprised as anyone.


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sloppyasseating

Hippie mescaline placebo effects ​ also the Swiss authorities raided Albert Hoffmann home and found little cacti on the floor which they thought where toxic from just being in the same room ​ superstition is a funny thing


Broad-Meringue

Not everything is ā€œchemicalsā€ as we know them. There is so much unwritten, forgotten, misplaced. Be open to the magic and it might open up to you.


TheBigSmoke420

Nah mate. If it was there weā€™d be able to measure it. Brain acts funny though, and itā€™s built to find patterns in things. Drugs accentuate that.


blissfullyalienated

One idea I've really opened up to from taking hallucinogens is that we really have no idea what we're doing and there's probably far more to whatever this experience is than our brains are capable of measuring or even comprehending


TheBigSmoke420

I can agree with that, I donā€™t think we have to resort to ā€˜magicā€™ to explain the unknown unknowns though. The universe is mechanical, what seems nonsensical is just something we donā€™t yet understand. Personally I think describing things as magic or divine is a cop-out. The actual explanation is always more sublime. Just look at quantum physics.


Broad-Meringue

Very curious to hear what yā€™all mean by magic in this context


TheBigSmoke420

Something that canā€™t be explained or described mechanically basically. Thereā€™s a mechanism for everything. If there isnā€™t, it doesnā€™t exist.


Broad-Meringue

Thank you, that last line really helped me understand where youā€™re coming from. I feel differently but love to hear something different *from my own thoughts, like what youā€™ve said here. Have a wonderful day!


nwoh

Magic is just shit we can't explain yet.


blissfullyalienated

I agree that it's not magic, if I had to guess about this guys dreams I'd say it was either a coincidence or the power of suggestion, your environment is always going to affect your mind even in ways you dont immediately perceive Quantum physics is a good way for us to get a basic understanding, as far as our minds will allow. Personally I think there are things that we can't perceive or measure and maybe we just don't have the hardware as in brains to ever perceive these things, even with extremely advanced instruments. It doesn't have to be some sort of magic but the nature of the universe sure feels mystical when we haven't even really got the faintest idea of how matter came to be out of nothing in the first place. I can see how someone would call this magic but really that doesn't help anyone because as you said its a cop out and just denies further investigation


TheBigSmoke420

Iā€™m open to the possibility that a cactus released a chemical during the night, perhaps to dissuade nocturnal animals that might eat it, or attract nocturnal animals that might spread its pollen/pups. Itā€™s also possible that those chemicals released could have a small psychoactive effect on humans during sleep. Probably very unlikely though! But this would be a reasonable mechanical explanation for the phenomenon. Without resorting to magic. As you say though, itā€™s far more likely a case of the dreamers own mind. Lots of things can influence dreams, anxiety, food, drugs, hormones, genetics, mental health issues. Rule them out first before concretely saying itā€™s definitely the cactus by the bed. To caveat, someone also mentioned datura stramonium. In that case I actually could believe thereā€™s some mechanism, at least more likely anyway. Those tropane alkaloids are incredibly potent, and they are present in every part of the plant. Including the pollen. There was briefly a craze for tapping datura pollen into tea during the 18th or 19th century. Upper class ladies would do it and get a bit loopy during their tea mornings.


blissfullyalienated

That's pretty interesting, I don't think I'd be up for datura tea, especially in the mornings! I'd say that led to a few interesting incidents lol


mycologyquestions

This is patently false. Every time we've met something that was "beyond our comprehension", we ended up understanding it within a single human lifetime, often much much less. Humans have ideas and dreams that are far more complex and incomprehensible than what the natural world offers, that's why so many people prefer their imagination to reality, and it's why people like you attempt to bring that to the real world, when it doesn't belong at all.


blissfullyalienated

You give humans too much credit, we have no idea what we're doing here What exactly am I trying to bring to the real world? I don't believe in magic or mystical ideas I have no idea what the universe is and any man that claims to understand the origin of matter, time and space is a fool There are undoubtedly basic laws of the universe that we as humans don't have the hardware to understand, We can look forever and not see things right in front of us because we don't even know what we're looking for yet There's a good chance we'll be extinct before we get close to understanding how matter came to be from nothing, if it can be explained at all Remember you are your brain and the potential of the mind has limits


mycologyquestions

>There are undoubtedly basic laws of the universe that we as humans don't have the hardware to understand This is literally proof of you believing in magic. You claim to be simply open to the unknown while also firmly shutting out the chance that you're wrong about our inability to grasp everything. How would you even know? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth to justify a little spirituality and magic. How about you remember that if you're this open, you wouldn't have even commented in the first place because you'd be aware of your uncertainty.


blissfullyalienated

Your first point applies to yourself aswell, you seem so certain that we have the capacity to understand EVERYTHING Why not be open to the idea that we know very little? We only have the capacity to understand what we can perceive, Its a bit much to say we're the perfect beings to figure out everything about this universe Our very basic understanding we've developed so far could be completely wrong That's the whole point of science, we prove ourselves wrong over and over and new theories take the place of the old ones


Broad-Meringue

Oh so we understand everything already, with our modern machines, and there is nothing we canā€™t measure or interpret with the tools we have now. We have reached peak understanding, all of our rulers are physical and all experiences measurable in perfect quantitative bliss.


TheBigSmoke420

Thatā€™s not what I mean and you know it.


Broad-Meringue

What did you mean? Honestly. Iā€™m makin jokes but Iā€™m interested.


TheBigSmoke420

Oh fairplay. I mean that if there was things like esp or magic in terms of an ā€˜energyā€™ or some kind of matter associated with it we would have detected it by now. It would be possible to study practitioners and find out if thereā€™s truth to what they purport to be able to do. So far we havenā€™t found that yet, so I think itā€™s unlikely that if it does exist, it works as the proponents describe. However, I do believe that the complexity of interpersonal relationships, and the zeitgeist that arises from the interaction of large groups of people, do constitute what could be called the ā€˜collective unconsciousā€™. An immaterial entity that has no physical form, but is sustained by the beliefs and assumptions held by large groups. Let me try an analogy. Imagine thereā€™s a community that believes thereā€™s a giant green apple on the centre of town. There isnā€™t actually one there, but everyone acts as if there is, so for the experience of the townspeople, and their behaviour, the apple exists. So in an immaterial way the apple does exist, people are material and they act on the world. Because they act with the belief that thereā€™s a giant apple where there isnā€™t, the immaterial giant apple has an action on the physical world. I think that phenomenon is as close to spiritual as the material world gets. But it does make a huge difference. To me it is a good example of how the complexity of the universe creates something akin to what could be called ā€˜magicā€™. Some things may be beyond the comprehension of the human brain. Undoubtedly. But, I donā€™t think thatā€™s a reason both not to try, and not is it a reason why we couldnā€™t improve our understanding through measuring and observing the world, while taking account of our inherent prejudices and biases. That is the scientific method.


Broad-Meringue

When you get down to the details, it becomes a personal choice/priorities. I prefer to be open to whatever may be beyond our current scientific perceptions. Its no fun to need ā€œproofā€ of everything we experience. I see why some want that. But life is short and weird. I like/choose to think more things are possible than we can measure, rather than spend my time worrying about what is able to be proven. So what if the patterns my brain picks up on are ā€œjust patternsā€ if they make me happy and my life more meaningful? I do think itā€™s a bitā€¦arrogant? to say we would be able to measure everything (such as practitioners.) We are always discovering new things, I donā€™t think itā€™s so crazy to think there are still immeasurable forces. Thanks for your perspective.


M1S3RY365

I totally get it because when I sleep next to my fridge I don't need to eat. See? Magic.


Broad-Meringue

No you have to boof the ice out of the door duh newb


badwifii

That's not what they're meaning by it. I guess you have to be spiritually inclined


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badwifii

Okay? I'm not the one saying it so don't look to me for further explanation


Javasar

2nd hand mescaline is bad!


InTheShade007

Just like sleeping with the heart under your pillow after a deer hunt.


BrannC

Gotta eat the balls too tho


sloppyasseating

Balls under the pillow and eat the heart


InTheShade007

See I knew it was something like that


claviceptress666

Dude when I got out of jail my San Pedro bloomed a disproportional sized magnificently beautiful flower right in front of me. I've never felt like a flower was blooming for me.... Before or since ...... But I really felt like my cactus was just happy that I came home......


newhaircut989

Their intelligent beings imo, if your chosen to be a keeper by the spirit āœØļø I think they can be far more than meets the eye.


mycologyquestions

This is the dumbest shit I'll probably read all day. Please take this crystal worshiping nonsense elsewhere.


Prawna420

I definitely feel the effects of having sacred cacti around.


TheLeBlanc

Nope. I could reach out and touch some from my bed and have experienced no difference. They're also not grafted, which I understand understand essentially renders them non active. I also have datura, brugmansia, and wormwood growing just outside my window. No effect. It's all you. You don't need magic plants to have an "enhanced dream ". Give yourself some credit.


BackyardAnarchist

How old are those grafts?


newhaircut989

Just over one year!


Frosty-Helicopter870

Where did you get the stock cactus for the grafts at? Iā€™m trying to get into grafting but I canā€™t find the right grafting cactus. Thank you in advance!


newhaircut989

I can send you some cuttings if you live I'm a reasonable distance for free. Their peres. A weed like cacti


Frosty-Helicopter870

Oh my god no way! Thank would be amazing!! I live in Seattle. Where are you located?


newhaircut989

Alberta Canada.


Frosty-Helicopter870

Oh shoot is that too far?


newhaircut989

It just wouldn't make it through customs. It's very common and should be found easily!!


Frosty-Helicopter870

For sure! Thanks for the offer. Iā€™ll look around here for some šŸ‘


newhaircut989

Facebook cacti trading groups for best results


BackyardAnarchist

Wow! That's amazing!


[deleted]

Mugwort placed in a sachet under your pillow has the same effect ā˜ÆļøšŸ„³


NewTrader21

is it like spiritually or scientifically works ?


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Spiritual I guess


Esslemut

code for trust me bro


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Most def


Broad-Meringue

Same mfs who hate on ā€œmagical thinkingā€ are the type to call themselves shamans after a few tabs of acid looool. Atheist drugs onlyyyyyy


newhaircut989

Update: I did just receive a vial full of Datura seeds same time frame as I moved peyote into my bedroom. Any chance this is it somehow. Lmfao hard to make sense of it.


throwaway958473662

No. Placebo effect


Salviasammich

Placebo


[deleted]

Dude what are you talking about lol


Broad-Meringue

Fuck these hating ass weirdos, do your thing. This is what happens when plants go more mainstream with bros n shit.


Starhaunt

Lol


sloppyasseating

No


Mikhal_Tikhal_Intrn

I think itā€™s all in ur head. Get it cuz ur dreaming haha. Jk


MartoPolo

it also could just be astrology. lots of movement atm causing wild dreams


BrannC

That explains why my dirt bike had street tires and was lowered in my dreams last night. I donā€™t even have a dirt bike!


ianonuanon

I noticed you left the leaves on your pere after grafting. I was told you should pull them off. Thoughts?


bakedpotatopiguy

No leave them on as long as they last IMO


ianonuanon

Gotcha. I had one with some on but they fell off. The rest I think I plucked em. They are all doing fine with no leaves but maybe they would be even faster growing if they still had all leaves idk.


Broad-Meringue

Who told you that lol


ianonuanon

Your momā€¦ she didnā€™t tell you? Jkjk Mind do just fine with no leaves so it definitely works either way but itā€™s possible leaves mean a bit faster growth Iā€™m not sure.


[deleted]

I have conversations with mine. Sweet grafts,btw.


Additional_King1967

What is this? Why is this? Can anyone please explain why and how to do that if one can even do that cause that looks amazing


DreamTheUnimaginable

Grafting. Because some plants are so closely related they are genetically compatible despite usually growing at wildly different rates which allows the root stock (here pereskiopsis) to pump growth into the scion (here lophophora). You match up the vascular cambium of each plant so that they overlap (preferably as much as possible, but even two single overlapping connections will do.) and the plant fuses the two together due to its normal healing mechanisms. Since the non vascular tissue dries up and fuses, but the vascular tissue still pumps liquid through it, the two combined become functionally one. It is very possible, and often times the only realistic way to grow plants and trees of all different kinds. In this case, it basically produces 10 years of lophophora growth in a year or less depending on conditions itā€™s kept in.


Additional_King1967

Whoah that sounds fucking amazing idk how I've never heard of that, gonna look more into it and try with mine as well thanks.


DreamTheUnimaginable

If you need to buy pereskiopsis sp. cuttings or rootstock feel free to send me a dm. Theyā€™re generally considered to be the best/easiest/fastest growing cactus rootstock; especially/mainly for early growth. Iā€™ve got way too many growing too tall, and can send you plenty of different diameter cuttings and give you some more advice depending on what youā€™re trying to graft.


Additional_King1967

Thanks I'll hit you up for sure!


Suspicious-Cup-9236

Something that can actually effect your dreams in a really crazy way is Brigham also known as the Mormon plant. Itā€™s native to southern utah and when you cook it into a tea(and add a fuck ton of sugar) you get a recipie for some crazy dreams. Also itā€™s a light stimulant if u take it during the day


TheLeBlanc

By Brigham, do you mean Ephedra?


Suspicious-Cup-9236

Looks like it yup. Sorry I didnā€™t know the technical name or whatever Iā€™ve just heard it called that


HalPaneo

I love how those grafts look! Like little peyote lollipops