Thats interesting, but it makes sense. Good luck wating for your bisexual girl looking to corrupt you.
But i am also curious about the little minority that weren’t disappointing i you are willing to share.
Genuinely hate the other dudes in every fun fetish I have for making it entirely unpleasant for any woman but the most masochistic and self loathing to even hang around. Like Jesus dude learn to adjust your behavior around what the person you’re talking to is after. Just every sub where half the comments on any good post is “dm me” or some variation piss me off since all it does is chase interested people off
As a straight guy who's been fortunate enough to try this out with a non-binary friend. They didn't have any interest in guys but their girlfriend knew I was above average and had permission to forward a photo. It took some time but they proposed a threesome. It never would have happened without our pan friend as a buffer and they're never going to like men and may never have sex with another guy, but we enjoy having sex and it's a safe environment.
Anecdotally?
Indulging in this kink usually just reinforces ones sexuality, for *ANY* other situation.
But there was a LOT that found doing it with their partner/their partner being bred with them on the bed was the best.
The most interesting one was one that stayed repuled through all the preliminaries, safe worded out of penetration, partner tapped in (partner was a fwb), layed on her, and then had me stick it in right as I was about to cum, to fill her. (NI sperm donation)
Yeah I've been on this sub for a while and the men that go on here DO NOT behave themselves in the slightest
I USED to be one of the good ones but now I'm trans non binary so yep that's another reasonable "dude" gone from this sub XD lol
This sounds a bit like me, tbh. At least, I understand what you're saying.
Certainly, I aspire to be "one of the good ones", and I like to encourage others to do the same by pointing out just how damn low the bar is and that we can end up all but drowning in pussy just by being a kind of alright sort of person.
Conversely, the whole reason I have this account (and indeed a presence on this sub) is because I enjoy pretending to be the precise opposite and honestly I love spaces where women invite me to degrade and demean them. This is definitely the sort of place that attracts that, on purpose or otherwise, and given our track record for being messed up even in vanilla spaces...
And just like you I've had some real questions about my gender identity, although in my case I've kind of not really reached any life-changing conclusions or really decided that it's something I feel particularly strongly about, so I kind of decided to stay where I am as a cis man and try to be a good example to the rest of us (Christ knows we could use some, I feel like a lot of us are abandoning the gender entirely and I can't say I blame anyone who wants to have as little as possible in common with... *gestures vaguely*).
We can be better, and I'm gonna try to prove it. Even *with* my fetish for being a condescending narcissist.
Please don't call people brain damaged. You can disagree with people without resorting to that.
/u/ilikeporn242, please don't be needlessly hostile to straight people. I understand a personal preference for not engaging with them sexually or for being fed up with heteronormativity but there's nothing inherently wrong with being straight.
are u not a straight and/or cis man getting off to this subreddit about converting gay women sometimes by force?..suck it up. Queer people dont like u especially in their kink spaces??? how will u ever survive. maybe join a subreddit that isnt (supposed to be) for queer people pal.
A lot of guys want to open with "I'll impale your slutty cunt with my rock-hard dick" and it's like, "whoa, dude, if you *actually* want her to enjoy it, you've got to fuck her like you fuck straight women; start by playing with her body, helping her relax and feel at ease, and eating her out", and it makes me sad because I am afraid it will end up doing this and scaring women away. Sorry, OP.
This actually tracks with my experience talking about the kink. The actual sex has been better but that's the benefit of having a sex worker wife help me arrange things.
Very understandable. A lot of guys have this entitlement to women that as soon as a woman approaches them their the shit and don’t have to put any effort in.
It’s just as bad when they initiate though. It’s annoying to see but there are those who do give a shit. They tend to be much rarer though. I like to think I’m one of them but that might be too self absorbed lol.
I wish I could say I was surprised that a bunch of men took this as an invitation to shoot their shot in my DMs.
Also, y’all need to grasp:
1. This is kink. It’s not real. You can’t ACTUALLY “convert” us.
2. Going from zero to 60 with violent degrading shit to a stranger you know nothing about is really unproductive.
3. Ignoring boundaries is a really fast way to end an interaction, and not taking no for an answer is a HUGE red flag.
I was originally going to comment something but it basically amounted to the points you made here, so instead I’ll just add that people in general can really struggle with kinks like this that are a two way street. Getting one’s brain out of one’s pants long enough to realize that their partner is a complete human with complex needs, desires and fantasies is a challenge and too many people prefer the easy, selfish route. It’s also not necessarily fun or sexy to realize that the person who is typing out something super hot on here with one hand while she furiously masturbates with the other may very likely be in a very different state of mind when your similarly one-handed DM lands in her inbox 7 hours later.
I have wondered for a while if the way this particular kink lies adjacent to or at times intersects with various other misogynistic fetishes and viewpoints works against the women (and men) here getting what they want. There is a lot of seriously toxic shit that men get up to on the internet these days (as I am sure you are well aware), and from living a lifetime surrounded by men I can say with confidence that some of us take it way too far. It’s all fun and games when you have a partner who gives you enthusiastic consent beforehand, and with whom you have negotiated and come to an understanding. If you skip those steps, it’s cringy at best and a hate crime at worst. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if there is a good way to preemptively sort out the men who understand that fantasy does not necessarily equal real life and that playing with the tension between queerness and heteronormativity requires a degree of finesse from those who just got done watching some whacko on YouTube rant about how much they hate the gays and came here to fight the culture wars.
This is exactly it! Begin an interaction with an introduction and ask about what they're into and what their limits are.
I know people come on here horny and just looking for immediate gratification, but I think that scheduled sessions really work best. It ensures that both parties are in the same head space, have limits set, and have a good idea of what the other is seeking. It also allows for a little foreplay and is a great opportunity to heighten the experience by edging before the session.
I do wish that more people posted their sessions so that people looking to indulge without having to seek out or facilitate direct interactions can meet their needs. Essentially providing sort of voyeuristic fantasy "wank bank" for those who are looking for immediate gratification.
Straight men tend to ruin most fun things. As a queer, ive seen so many of my favorite kinks get over ran by baseless idiot straight men wanting to get their dicks wet.
So, shitting on straight guys is fine here? Thought y'all had a rule against bigotry. I'm bisexual, but it's hilarious how this thread is devolving into straight hate.
Listen i understand how you feel, but this reads a lot like #notallmen and if you your self are not actively causing these problems. Then the thread isnt about you. I’m sorry that you’re in your feelings, but the #1 complaint in every kink reddit/kink space ive seen is how straight guys, will create spaces where its difficult to express sexuality without straight men expecting catering
No one expects catering except people like you who lump in an entire group of people to a nasty stereotype, but cry when it's done to them. I'm not "in my feelings", I just despise double standard.
I agree. But all im saying is that a community of people are expressing problems. And your first reaction is to be upset because people who you share identity with are the common source of the issues. Im glad that you dont cause these problems. Im not saying all straight guys are bad. Im just saying its a common issue.
Please try and decenter yourself from these conversations. This is a fetish reddit, its not that serious. A queer person said “man these straight men have been really awful to me, “ and other queer people have said “this is a similar experience to mine”
As an aside, I believe this guy identifies as bisexual not straight. I think it's good to respect and not to dismiss people's sexual identities. He doesn't agree with you, but that doesn't make him less of a member of the LGBTQ+ community.
In general, I find that their is a difference between identifying and pointing out a problem and targeting a demographic. It is all about vocabulary, avoiding sweeping comments, i.e. "straight men ruin everything," tends to help avoid the discussion degenerating into attack/defense mode.
With that said, I have noticed that a significant amount of the entitled behavior, harassment, and complete disrespect/disregard for the women on this thread as people has been committed be cisgender men. It is a problem.
The thing is they aren't wrong: most of the issues in *any* kink subreddit stem from the behavior of straight cismen. Obviously they are not the only people capable of bigotry and harm, but by volume they are the source of the significant majority of it. I'm part of that demographic and recognize just how much improvement is needed.
Thank you so much for your totally not empty gesture. You're not, I hope, the one causing it. And to lump an entire demographic into a group of "troublemakers" based off anecdotal experiences is exactly what minorities have attempted to avoid being done to them for a long time. The solution isn't to now do it to straight, cis, people.
u will piss urself over queer ppl not finding straight men desirable whatsoever, and then comment things like that, and probably watch even more degrading shit on the dl directed to women and queer women. Does that make sense to you? are you a child or a adult who can understand people wont like you
I don't care who someone likes. The circle jerking and omg straight people ruin everything is boring and played out. The guys who play into it are pathetic.
I get that for you this is all very serious but for me it's 20 minutes in the evening before I nut and then back to reality. You can cum to something without internalising it as a fundamental truth and part of your identity. Well I can, maybe you can't.
"Hey" is not an opening line.
Thats interesting, but it makes sense. Good luck wating for your bisexual girl looking to corrupt you. But i am also curious about the little minority that weren’t disappointing i you are willing to share.
Genuinely hate the other dudes in every fun fetish I have for making it entirely unpleasant for any woman but the most masochistic and self loathing to even hang around. Like Jesus dude learn to adjust your behavior around what the person you’re talking to is after. Just every sub where half the comments on any good post is “dm me” or some variation piss me off since all it does is chase interested people off
As a straight guy who's been fortunate enough to try this out with a non-binary friend. They didn't have any interest in guys but their girlfriend knew I was above average and had permission to forward a photo. It took some time but they proposed a threesome. It never would have happened without our pan friend as a buffer and they're never going to like men and may never have sex with another guy, but we enjoy having sex and it's a safe environment.
Anecdotally? Indulging in this kink usually just reinforces ones sexuality, for *ANY* other situation. But there was a LOT that found doing it with their partner/their partner being bred with them on the bed was the best. The most interesting one was one that stayed repuled through all the preliminaries, safe worded out of penetration, partner tapped in (partner was a fwb), layed on her, and then had me stick it in right as I was about to cum, to fill her. (NI sperm donation)
Yeah I've been on this sub for a while and the men that go on here DO NOT behave themselves in the slightest I USED to be one of the good ones but now I'm trans non binary so yep that's another reasonable "dude" gone from this sub XD lol
This sounds a bit like me, tbh. At least, I understand what you're saying. Certainly, I aspire to be "one of the good ones", and I like to encourage others to do the same by pointing out just how damn low the bar is and that we can end up all but drowning in pussy just by being a kind of alright sort of person. Conversely, the whole reason I have this account (and indeed a presence on this sub) is because I enjoy pretending to be the precise opposite and honestly I love spaces where women invite me to degrade and demean them. This is definitely the sort of place that attracts that, on purpose or otherwise, and given our track record for being messed up even in vanilla spaces... And just like you I've had some real questions about my gender identity, although in my case I've kind of not really reached any life-changing conclusions or really decided that it's something I feel particularly strongly about, so I kind of decided to stay where I am as a cis man and try to be a good example to the rest of us (Christ knows we could use some, I feel like a lot of us are abandoning the gender entirely and I can't say I blame anyone who wants to have as little as possible in common with... *gestures vaguely*). We can be better, and I'm gonna try to prove it. Even *with* my fetish for being a condescending narcissist.
This is just my opinion but this kink is better without straight people in it, most things are
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welcome to reddit
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“kinda heterophobic” under a dyke conversion subreddit is crazy
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Please don't call people brain damaged. You can disagree with people without resorting to that. /u/ilikeporn242, please don't be needlessly hostile to straight people. I understand a personal preference for not engaging with them sexually or for being fed up with heteronormativity but there's nothing inherently wrong with being straight.
are u not a straight and/or cis man getting off to this subreddit about converting gay women sometimes by force?..suck it up. Queer people dont like u especially in their kink spaces??? how will u ever survive. maybe join a subreddit that isnt (supposed to be) for queer people pal.
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then i have no explanation for why u are the way u are
A lot of guys want to open with "I'll impale your slutty cunt with my rock-hard dick" and it's like, "whoa, dude, if you *actually* want her to enjoy it, you've got to fuck her like you fuck straight women; start by playing with her body, helping her relax and feel at ease, and eating her out", and it makes me sad because I am afraid it will end up doing this and scaring women away. Sorry, OP.
This actually tracks with my experience talking about the kink. The actual sex has been better but that's the benefit of having a sex worker wife help me arrange things.
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Actual bigotry isn't allowed on this sub mate, her being trans ain't even relevant here 🤦♂️
Very understandable. A lot of guys have this entitlement to women that as soon as a woman approaches them their the shit and don’t have to put any effort in. It’s just as bad when they initiate though. It’s annoying to see but there are those who do give a shit. They tend to be much rarer though. I like to think I’m one of them but that might be too self absorbed lol.
I wish I could say I was surprised that a bunch of men took this as an invitation to shoot their shot in my DMs. Also, y’all need to grasp: 1. This is kink. It’s not real. You can’t ACTUALLY “convert” us. 2. Going from zero to 60 with violent degrading shit to a stranger you know nothing about is really unproductive. 3. Ignoring boundaries is a really fast way to end an interaction, and not taking no for an answer is a HUGE red flag.
I was originally going to comment something but it basically amounted to the points you made here, so instead I’ll just add that people in general can really struggle with kinks like this that are a two way street. Getting one’s brain out of one’s pants long enough to realize that their partner is a complete human with complex needs, desires and fantasies is a challenge and too many people prefer the easy, selfish route. It’s also not necessarily fun or sexy to realize that the person who is typing out something super hot on here with one hand while she furiously masturbates with the other may very likely be in a very different state of mind when your similarly one-handed DM lands in her inbox 7 hours later. I have wondered for a while if the way this particular kink lies adjacent to or at times intersects with various other misogynistic fetishes and viewpoints works against the women (and men) here getting what they want. There is a lot of seriously toxic shit that men get up to on the internet these days (as I am sure you are well aware), and from living a lifetime surrounded by men I can say with confidence that some of us take it way too far. It’s all fun and games when you have a partner who gives you enthusiastic consent beforehand, and with whom you have negotiated and come to an understanding. If you skip those steps, it’s cringy at best and a hate crime at worst. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if there is a good way to preemptively sort out the men who understand that fantasy does not necessarily equal real life and that playing with the tension between queerness and heteronormativity requires a degree of finesse from those who just got done watching some whacko on YouTube rant about how much they hate the gays and came here to fight the culture wars.
This is exactly it! Begin an interaction with an introduction and ask about what they're into and what their limits are. I know people come on here horny and just looking for immediate gratification, but I think that scheduled sessions really work best. It ensures that both parties are in the same head space, have limits set, and have a good idea of what the other is seeking. It also allows for a little foreplay and is a great opportunity to heighten the experience by edging before the session. I do wish that more people posted their sessions so that people looking to indulge without having to seek out or facilitate direct interactions can meet their needs. Essentially providing sort of voyeuristic fantasy "wank bank" for those who are looking for immediate gratification.
Straight men tend to ruin most fun things. As a queer, ive seen so many of my favorite kinks get over ran by baseless idiot straight men wanting to get their dicks wet.
So, shitting on straight guys is fine here? Thought y'all had a rule against bigotry. I'm bisexual, but it's hilarious how this thread is devolving into straight hate.
Listen i understand how you feel, but this reads a lot like #notallmen and if you your self are not actively causing these problems. Then the thread isnt about you. I’m sorry that you’re in your feelings, but the #1 complaint in every kink reddit/kink space ive seen is how straight guys, will create spaces where its difficult to express sexuality without straight men expecting catering
No one expects catering except people like you who lump in an entire group of people to a nasty stereotype, but cry when it's done to them. I'm not "in my feelings", I just despise double standard.
I agree. But all im saying is that a community of people are expressing problems. And your first reaction is to be upset because people who you share identity with are the common source of the issues. Im glad that you dont cause these problems. Im not saying all straight guys are bad. Im just saying its a common issue. Please try and decenter yourself from these conversations. This is a fetish reddit, its not that serious. A queer person said “man these straight men have been really awful to me, “ and other queer people have said “this is a similar experience to mine”
As an aside, I believe this guy identifies as bisexual not straight. I think it's good to respect and not to dismiss people's sexual identities. He doesn't agree with you, but that doesn't make him less of a member of the LGBTQ+ community. In general, I find that their is a difference between identifying and pointing out a problem and targeting a demographic. It is all about vocabulary, avoiding sweeping comments, i.e. "straight men ruin everything," tends to help avoid the discussion degenerating into attack/defense mode. With that said, I have noticed that a significant amount of the entitled behavior, harassment, and complete disrespect/disregard for the women on this thread as people has been committed be cisgender men. It is a problem.
The thing is they aren't wrong: most of the issues in *any* kink subreddit stem from the behavior of straight cismen. Obviously they are not the only people capable of bigotry and harm, but by volume they are the source of the significant majority of it. I'm part of that demographic and recognize just how much improvement is needed.
Thank you so much for your totally not empty gesture. You're not, I hope, the one causing it. And to lump an entire demographic into a group of "troublemakers" based off anecdotal experiences is exactly what minorities have attempted to avoid being done to them for a long time. The solution isn't to now do it to straight, cis, people.
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“its a sign of respect to rub my cockhead on your eyeball” 😃
Redditor with nothing to say gives up and looks for gross things said on a porn account. You'll find plenty, that's the point.
u will piss urself over queer ppl not finding straight men desirable whatsoever, and then comment things like that, and probably watch even more degrading shit on the dl directed to women and queer women. Does that make sense to you? are you a child or a adult who can understand people wont like you
I don't care who someone likes. The circle jerking and omg straight people ruin everything is boring and played out. The guys who play into it are pathetic. I get that for you this is all very serious but for me it's 20 minutes in the evening before I nut and then back to reality. You can cum to something without internalising it as a fundamental truth and part of your identity. Well I can, maybe you can't.
Makes sense. Do you crave the seduction and temptation over the physical violation?
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You know transphobes aren’t welcome on this sub right?