I just had a flashback to that post supervisor on here who mentioned that he’d fired one of his editors on the spot because the editor said “I just need to render this” when he meant “I just need to export this”
In TV, most Post Supervisor has sole discretion in hiring/firing the member in the Post Department. The EP don't really interfere with any of that decision making.
I work in TV in the UK and the Producer has final say over hiring & firing. Exec Producers, I agree, are rarely involved. Only seen an EP fire someone once and because a runner first ignored and then was horrifically rude to a Creative from the broadcaster for no reason.
I find myself more and more annoyed by terminology and industry nomenclature gets misused, misunderstood, carelessly thrown around. Even when I can tell what they meant to say given context clues.
I don’t like that I am this bothered, but I also still wish people used correct terms and accepted definitions because being too sloppy and casual with it can lead to legit frustrations and accusations of “that isn’t my job” or “outside the scope” shit and it drives me nuts when things get miscommunicated.
Sigh
Yeah this really pisses me off. My favourite (or not) is how distributors seem to get stuck using really old fashioned terminology and refuse to use more modern, widely accepted language.
wait, what? i’ve never heard of there being a distinction between the two before, and i have a decent number of major studio gigs under my belt o.o have i been committing a faux paus this entire time?
We do 2 hours regularly and it's painful. Usually a few times a year I'll do stints of 14-16 hour shifts and so much of that is exporting different versions, with and without FNSTs, diff codecs, just every imaginable variation.
I had gone a long time where rendering meant almost nothing, maybe 10-30sec of wait time.
But this last year of b-rolling only via stock and UGC has forced me to use a ton of layered fx, animating stuff, a million blurs (because guests don't follow the "no unauthorized people, artwork, logos, etc... in your shot" rules).
For a minute I loved getting my render times back to chill, but after my 3rd or 4th midnight version change, watching that export bar slowly tick away for 30 minutes, I'm ready for a beefier system again.
It's got to the point that you can accurately track my rendering and exporting times by looking at my reddit comment times. 3 minutes to go on this one!
"I'm rendering" is great to use for a well needed time-out. But man, sometimes it's too much.
Six years ago at my old job, we had a junior editor come in to offline edit a stand up show. Everyday before she stepped out of the office, she stated that she's rendering her timeline. She would be AFK for atleast two hours. I found it sus that she would be gone for so long. One day, I checked the 'render'. She left the same timeline with all raw uncut footage to render EVERYDAY. Two days before deadline, I was forced to pull an all-nighter with her and she had the gall to blame the machine, apparently it was too slow. That was the last time she worked for us.
An animator I work with would mess around on his laptop booking vacations, shopping whatever, while waiting on long renders and invariably a producer or someone would always walk by the suite and peek in and it would look as if he's just sitting there "goofing off".
So, he taped a bunch of sheets of computer paper together end-to-end and wrote "RENDERING" in big sharpie marker letters that you you could see from 30 feet away.
He taped it to the top of his monitors and would flip it down over the monitors when rendering stuff. I thought it was brilliant.
Someone tweaked an XKCD for it a while back. :D
https://phloatingman.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/video-rendering-xkcd-compiling-remix-by-phloating-man1.png?w=640
I just did a noise reduction pass on an edit and the 20 minute video took 5 hours to render. My work station can’t even play Spotify when I click render so I just watch a couple movies on the iPad and got paid a full day!
I work in reality and basically never render sans a motion effect here and there. Who’s rendering for 15 mins - hours? I literally have Never done this
Back when I was a smoker, I loved my render times.
Glad I kicked the habit but I don't look forward to rendering as much as I did did in the past... strange that!
careful buddy. my editor did that once he didn't realize I have 10 years editing experience. more than him.
I didn't tell him. I never hired him again.
if you need a break, ask for one. if you dont get one, never work for them again.
EDIT: oh wait - you mean for legit rendering things - oh totally, it's great, sorry I misunderstood.
No worries. I agree with you! The post was half jest since it's funny friday. Luckily, the team I work with, and boss, get it. We can take breaks, walks, whatever we need.
Hi guys not sure if this is the right place for this question- I’m making a documentary film and am syncing my tascam áudio to my 4K video clips in Final Cut Pro. They go in as mp4s and a 10 min clip is approximately 8GB, after I share out the master file using pro res it is suddenly like 50 GB! I am working on a film with around 40 interviews all using multiple cameras so this is crazy! Any suggestions on how to marry audio to video without upping the file size so dramatically but keeping the same original quality of the clips? Any help would be SUPER appreciated!
ProRes is significantly higher-bitrate than mp4 (which is presumably H.264). Higher bitrate = bigger files. If storage space is a premium, you could try using ProRes LT or just H.264 with a high bitrate. Or you could bring everything into your NLE and sync there, using sequences to keep everything aligned, since that would erase the need to transcode.
I just had a flashback to that post supervisor on here who mentioned that he’d fired one of his editors on the spot because the editor said “I just need to render this” when he meant “I just need to export this”
Seems like a terrible manager.
yeah i woulda left anyways lmao
Technically an export is a render.
Why? Is it because the program is rendering, and you're exporting? Seems like such an annoying thing to pick on someone for
Can a post super really fire an editor on the spot? Wouldn’t a producer or owner need to sign off on something that drastic?
I wish I could find that thread to ask more questions because the whole thing sounded like a toxicity circus
Varies wildly based on what kind of shop you're in and what the project is.
In TV, most Post Supervisor has sole discretion in hiring/firing the member in the Post Department. The EP don't really interfere with any of that decision making.
I work in TV in the UK and the Producer has final say over hiring & firing. Exec Producers, I agree, are rarely involved. Only seen an EP fire someone once and because a runner first ignored and then was horrifically rude to a Creative from the broadcaster for no reason.
I always say render
What’s the difference?
One gets you fired
lmao
I find myself more and more annoyed by terminology and industry nomenclature gets misused, misunderstood, carelessly thrown around. Even when I can tell what they meant to say given context clues. I don’t like that I am this bothered, but I also still wish people used correct terms and accepted definitions because being too sloppy and casual with it can lead to legit frustrations and accusations of “that isn’t my job” or “outside the scope” shit and it drives me nuts when things get miscommunicated. Sigh
Yeah this really pisses me off. My favourite (or not) is how distributors seem to get stuck using really old fashioned terminology and refuse to use more modern, widely accepted language.
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wait, what? i’ve never heard of there being a distinction between the two before, and i have a decent number of major studio gigs under my belt o.o have i been committing a faux paus this entire time?
I hate myself.
Pro Tip: Take a screenshot of your render or export. Then you can just walk away anytime you want.
Pro pro tip: set the screenshot as your screensaver image.
You sir/madam are a GENIUS!
I will neither confirm nor deny that I have done this.
Neutral evil energy - i love it
I use my render time for crying mostly
That's a given. At least cry outside or on a skateboard. Bringing a pillow to work and screaming into it helps, too.
Render times are too damn fast now. I remember 15 years ago the render times in Avid and FCP were so loooong. Didnt know how good i had it.
Truth. Add some dynamic linking and noise filters, slow those renders down.
Yep, the old Gaussian blur at 0%... god I’m such a fucking hack
Render it out to a 5,400 RPM PATA disk on USB2 while you're at it.
For real. Was like, "What render times?". (Avid editor for 15 years)
Sounds like someone needs to add 3d elements and 360 video to their projects and increase the rendering time!
Not if you keep getting renderer errors lol
Ah The Adobe Life
Truth.
My life with Lumetri.
I had a job where 70% was rendering, no lie. And I still got paid. I miss that job..
I hear ya.
TBH I haven't found render time significantly relevant since the FCP7 days. Unless we're talking long format or AE/animation stuff.
I'm in docs, our renders can be 1hr+ easily, don't even get me started on online deliveries.
I'm in the process of onlining a 30 minute doc now. This really drains the soul.
We do 2 hours regularly and it's painful. Usually a few times a year I'll do stints of 14-16 hour shifts and so much of that is exporting different versions, with and without FNSTs, diff codecs, just every imaginable variation.
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Oh my bad forced narrative subtitles, I think people probably usually abbreviate "FN"
Oh man I feel for you. Would definitely like to work my way into features, but that aspect of it doesn't seem great.
Yeah, I'm usually a combo of footage and AE.
These days I've been doing so many micro cutdown 6, 10, 15s. It takes more time to get them queued up than actually render.
PREACH! Ain't this the truth. 15s and 10s are painful enough, but 6s? I feel for ya!!
“Oh we also need those in 1:1 and 9:16”
And 4:5.
I render, and then I get to spend the rest of the render time wondering if any of my audio tracks are muted.
Then you cancel the render to double check, turns out it was fine all along.
Yes! I just crawled into fetal position.
I had gone a long time where rendering meant almost nothing, maybe 10-30sec of wait time. But this last year of b-rolling only via stock and UGC has forced me to use a ton of layered fx, animating stuff, a million blurs (because guests don't follow the "no unauthorized people, artwork, logos, etc... in your shot" rules). For a minute I loved getting my render times back to chill, but after my 3rd or 4th midnight version change, watching that export bar slowly tick away for 30 minutes, I'm ready for a beefier system again.
It's got to the point that you can accurately track my rendering and exporting times by looking at my reddit comment times. 3 minutes to go on this one!
Problem solver.
Also good for convincing your producers to upgrade your equipment!
Truth. I've actually got a new machine coming.
"I'm rendering" is great to use for a well needed time-out. But man, sometimes it's too much. Six years ago at my old job, we had a junior editor come in to offline edit a stand up show. Everyday before she stepped out of the office, she stated that she's rendering her timeline. She would be AFK for atleast two hours. I found it sus that she would be gone for so long. One day, I checked the 'render'. She left the same timeline with all raw uncut footage to render EVERYDAY. Two days before deadline, I was forced to pull an all-nighter with her and she had the gall to blame the machine, apparently it was too slow. That was the last time she worked for us.
My co-worker lists 'rendering' under skills on his resume because he likes to see if any employers pick up on it and question him.
Ha, love it! I'm adding that to my resume'.
An animator I work with would mess around on his laptop booking vacations, shopping whatever, while waiting on long renders and invariably a producer or someone would always walk by the suite and peek in and it would look as if he's just sitting there "goofing off". So, he taped a bunch of sheets of computer paper together end-to-end and wrote "RENDERING" in big sharpie marker letters that you you could see from 30 feet away. He taped it to the top of his monitors and would flip it down over the monitors when rendering stuff. I thought it was brilliant.
I've done similar, just not that drastic. I'd stick an index card in my keyboard that said rendering before walking away.
Someone tweaked an XKCD for it a while back. :D https://phloatingman.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/video-rendering-xkcd-compiling-remix-by-phloating-man1.png?w=640
I just did a noise reduction pass on an edit and the 20 minute video took 5 hours to render. My work station can’t even play Spotify when I click render so I just watch a couple movies on the iPad and got paid a full day!
IT guy: your render times could be much faster if we just.... Me: LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU
UGH! I'm dealing with this right now regarding online storage and some bandwidth solutions.
I work in reality and basically never render sans a motion effect here and there. Who’s rendering for 15 mins - hours? I literally have Never done this
Back when I was a smoker, I loved my render times. Glad I kicked the habit but I don't look forward to rendering as much as I did did in the past... strange that!
careful buddy. my editor did that once he didn't realize I have 10 years editing experience. more than him. I didn't tell him. I never hired him again. if you need a break, ask for one. if you dont get one, never work for them again. EDIT: oh wait - you mean for legit rendering things - oh totally, it's great, sorry I misunderstood.
No worries. I agree with you! The post was half jest since it's funny friday. Luckily, the team I work with, and boss, get it. We can take breaks, walks, whatever we need.
I can relate to this... most times I roll up a nice blunt
Absolutely! That or my RAM just melted
Waaaaiit a minute…did you spend your render break posting on Reddit?
Where else?
I didn't fully appreciate how much rendering was a part of the job when I first started. Lol
3 words
It was an edited sentence... get it? Nevermind.
Hi guys not sure if this is the right place for this question- I’m making a documentary film and am syncing my tascam áudio to my 4K video clips in Final Cut Pro. They go in as mp4s and a 10 min clip is approximately 8GB, after I share out the master file using pro res it is suddenly like 50 GB! I am working on a film with around 40 interviews all using multiple cameras so this is crazy! Any suggestions on how to marry audio to video without upping the file size so dramatically but keeping the same original quality of the clips? Any help would be SUPER appreciated!
This is not the right place to ask this question. We're talking render breaks here, brah.
Sorry!
ProRes is significantly higher-bitrate than mp4 (which is presumably H.264). Higher bitrate = bigger files. If storage space is a premium, you could try using ProRes LT or just H.264 with a high bitrate. Or you could bring everything into your NLE and sync there, using sequences to keep everything aligned, since that would erase the need to transcode.
I am literally waiting on a proxy right now so I can edit and render in just a few minutes.