Nothing says quality like filming most of your scenes spliced together in front of a green screen. I see we've hit the point in the marketing tour where she can start hating on the movie because they've got all the pre-sale tickets.
Emma Watson said the same thing about Beauty and the Beast. There were whole scenes where it was just her on a giant green screen alone, trying to act without anyone or thing to really react to. The Be Our Guest scene was just her sitting silently at a table making faces of astonishment and awe to nothing
Transformers is just Shia LeBouf running around pretending to react to giant robots. His performance is actually pretty good when you take that into account.
If it means anything, I saw them filming part of that movie in NYC and they had a[guy wearing a giant smiley face and a hula hoop](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11276049/amp/Ryan-Reynolds-director-John-Krasinski-set-Imaginary-Friends.html) that Ryan interacted with.
That's not true.
A prequel is a type of sequel. Sequels have nothing to do with the in world chronology of the film, only the order they were actually made in.
In other words, Star Wars Episode 4 is not a sequel to any other film, nor is it a prequel.
Yeah, I'm a little worried about this one. To me the previews have all looked like bad green screen compositing and a lot of aftereffects to mask the fake looking scenes. A far cry from what we got with Fury Road. But I really want to be proved wrong here. I'll be there opening day.
Okay I thought I was alone watching that trailer
I was like nah it’s George Miller can’t be as Fury Road is one of my favourite movies
But yea it looks like they didn’t really try or put the same effort into this which surprises me coming from Miller
During her pause.. she thought, “ Dune Part 2 was a walk in the park”. In my opinion Any Actor or Actress who walks into the World of Mad Max really push themselves into some hardcore shit. I imagine taking on such a role has to be a journey within one’s self to pull off. Can’t wait to see it.
The fuck of course Dune was a walk in the park for her, she had one 3 second scene that consisted of her standing still and saying a I love you, that’s possibly the easiest paycheck anyone’s ever gotten, did she seriously expect a whole ass movie to be the same?
I mean she doesn’t actually say any of that in the article or compare Furiosa to Dune at all? I think the commenter made a poorly formed joke or just making stuff up.
I just read the Vanity Fair article about the feud between Charlize Theron and Tom Hardy and it's interesting to hear how both Charlize and Anya said that they felt so alone on their sets. Charlize's bad experience in Fury Road was mostly from Tom, but she said that she felt like she had no one in her corner. She wanted an experienced female producer to join the set and try to reconcile things and be in her corner, but the main producer was so territorial about the set, and maintaining certain "conditions". It's interesting, she was on set with all these other women (the "wives"), who also had beef with Tom, but she still felt alone.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/mad-max-fury-road-tom-hardy-charlize-theron-excerpt
I think the remoteness of the two movie sets might have been a huge factor in their feeling isolated, but it sounds like a management issue as well. It's easy to blame Tom for his unprofessionalism in Fury Road, but really it sounds like the producers didn't do enough to support and maintain a professional working atmosphere. I wonder if thay continued when filming Furiosa? Like how many times can an actor be 8 hours late to set with no consequence? It's a top down issue, and maybe certain conditions were overlooked to draw certain emotions out of their actors? Or maybe rural Australia just really sucks for filming lol
I'd highly recommend Blood, Sweat & Chrome by Kyle Buchanan, it's a really fascinating read about the making of the movie that fleshes out all of the turmoil well
He constantly showed up late to set when shooting days were already grueling and miserable. Like 6-8 hours late. Imagine having to deal with somebody who thinks he’s good enough to make people wait around all day in the hot desert. I’d be livid too.
I had heard way back when that Tom was bad on set, but didn't know he specifics. I wonder why he was showing up late, a few famous actors who had this problem it ultimately ended up being a serious drug / alcohol problem causing them to be many hours late for shooting time.
Jim Gandolfini infamously had this the second half of Sopranos, sometimes missing entire filming days because he would literally be on the streets of New York zooted out of his mind. There was apparently one incident where the production literally couldn't find the guy for days, and they were worried he had gone off and died of an overdose somewhere. Then he randomly shows up a few days later.
From what I remember he didn't want to be there and thought the movie was stupid. But then he saw the finished film and immediately went and apologized to everyone. Don't know if that makes up for making everyone miserable.
Dependa, did he get forced into the movie or did he choose to do it? Because if he chose to do it of his own free will then that him being a shitty person who thought he was above doing Mad Max: Fury Road and made it everyone else's problem. But it's up to each individual crew member if they want to forgive him.
It was a bit more nuanced than that as I recall. Not that what he did was acceptable but he was going through a rough time, filming in general was a bit of a mess (think there was often no script or rewrites), and the stress of replacing Mel, so Tom was just depressed while filming something he thought was going to tank. Charlize was also having a rough time and him being late often broke her and had her get aggressive with him to which he responded the same way. They made up later during filming and Tom’s been pretty vocal that he was an asshole and behaved poorly.
He had been sober for a long time by the time they filmed Fury Road. So it’s not drugs, he just is (or was) an ass. Maybe the brutal conditions got to him, but no matter what, there’s no excuse. It was unprofessional.
No--this is just based on a number of cast interviews, they generally try to talk about it respectfully as well because he was very beloved by everyone who ever worked with him. Michael Imperioli and Steve Schiripa (the guy who played Bobby Baccalieri) have a podcast and they have talked about it a couple of times.
Ah—yeah James is just his credited name, if you listen to a lot of the Sopranos podcasts literally all of those guys call him Jim, I don’t think he ever really went by James. I just used it because that is what I hear him called most of the time these days—back when he was alive I definitely remember using James, but the podcasts just have me using Jim without thinking about it:
So while waiting on set with the entire cast and crew besides Tom, they felt lonely? We’re going to pretend that makes sense? They were alone on set because one guy wasn’t there? Okay, sounds good
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Edit: that’s it! Vote it down so people don’t get caught up in annoying little things like logic.
The article is about her being lonely on set. If you’re lonely around an entire filming crew because one guy wasn’t there… you’re either a liar or you’re obsessed with him.
There’s a difference between being alone and being/feeling lonely.
You can feel lonely in a room full of people if you aren’t really connecting with any of them, or if you aren’t feeling heard (or respected as seems to be the case with the producer), etc.
From the sound of it, the lack of having anyone “in her corner” and the other main star of the film seeming to not give a shit or respecting what they were doing seem to be the contributing factors.
Makes perfect sense to me.
On top of what’s been said; there was an instance where he was 5+ hours late, with Charlize sitting patiently in the war rig the entire 5 hours, and finally when Tom sauntered onto set, she blew up and demanded he be fined X amount of money for every hour of everyone’s time he wasted, at which point he got incredibly toxic, marched up, got in her face and was all “what did you just say to me?” And made her feel threatened.
Nicholas Hoult compared it to being a kid in the backseat of the car while your parents are fighting.
That's because Tom Hardy thinks he runs all the sets he's on. I'm sure it didn't go that way on Nolan's set. But I've heard he's a bully on set. Not cool.
Which sucks. Hearing he was a dog lover made me think he must be a softy but I guess he’s one of those who prefers dogs to people… which, I can’t blame him for, but I’m not going to be an unprofessional jerk about it.
I can blame him for it. Dude sounds crazy and dogs aren't people. Of course they're easy to get along with. They're literally bred to be subservient to you. It says a lot about a man if he prefers dogs to other people. 🤷🏽♀️
Yeah, I get it. I heard he has rescued several strays in locations he filmed in which pulled my heartstrings.
But you’re totally right. Hitler and Putin liked dogs too.
I hate when people report this, time and time again. Maybe, instead of only reading Vanity Fair, try Googling around a bit and have a look at any or all of the various interviews the people involved with the project have given.
There's more to the story then, "Tom made Charlize feel unsafe and was generally unprofessional." A lot more. The primary interaction that consistently gets recounted has to do with her directly confronting him and him responding in a similarly aggressive manner. There have been a few reports as to why Tom was having problems with the film (his dog died, no complete working script during shooting, taking over the role from Mel). Some of this has been discussed but hardly ever gets reported on, likely because it's not as interesting as two actors hating each other. I believe Tom also gave Charlize a bracelet or a painting at the end of production, with a note telling Theron that he appreciated her (something to that effect). But even more than that, Tom later apologized to George (during the press conference for Fury Road) for his overall frustration and attitude, as well as admitting that he could have been a better partner for Charlize during their time on the film.
Everybody involved made a great film, but people insist on crafting this narrative around Tom (and really by extension George Miller) creating some unsafe work environment for women. That's actually the only issue I have whenever Theron talks about her experiences with the movie.
I never said I only read Vanity Fair., I linked that to quote Charlize's comments and isolation because it of its striking similarity to Anya's. My point in my main and followup comment isn't about any perceived feud between Tom and Charlize (in a second comment I said I didn't feel like she was abused), but I was trying to get the point across, perhaps inarticulately, that the real underlying issue *is* beyond just their little fight, and likely connects the experiences felt with both movies. I said that while it's easy to blame Tom Hardy, there is more to the story, one that likely lies with overall management of the two films.
I think that method worked for the movie producing a post apocalyptic dystopia where every one is out for themselves, there is no one in anyone’s corner… every man or woman for themselves , there is no one who cares about your feelings
That's what I suspected the producers were trying to do with the sets. Even method actor Tom to a degree (he grew kinder near the end of shooting, which others on the movie said paralleled the movie relationship). It struck me as bizarre that the producer wouldn't let the veteran female producer come in and give Charlize the support she was begging for. He wanted to keep the atmosphere going, but on the other hand, that doesn't make sense. The production was costly enough and all these delays didn't help. At the end of the day, (hopefully) producers wouldn't sacrifice the bottom line for drawing out a method performance.
There has to be a line on sets with working conditions to protect the cast and crew. (Not saying Charlize was in an abusive situation at all). I don't know if the conditions will result in a better movie or not, they are actors after all, and it's hard to feel sorry for these actors who are getting a huge payday, but we also don't want to go to the extreme of The Shining director and torture our lead to draw out a better fear performance. Safe and fair working conditions are a right, even for millionaire actors. It doesn't sound like that line was crossed on either movie set at all, but a smoother production is ultimately a win for the movie.
Yeah, I really love this movie and it’s kinda disappointing to read some of this. I also don’t get why they wouldn’t abide Charlize’s request to have a female producer come on set for support. She didn’t seem like she was much of a problem and her attitude was in reaction to Tom’s chronic unprofessionalism, so why deny her something that would make her feel better and maybe lead to a resolution between the two main actors.
I am also confused that all the Wives were sick of Tom too, but I guess they didn’t bond with Charlize? If she were seeking female support, you’d think they’d have her back.
The other women (who spoke on it) indicated that Tom and Charlize had different approaches to acting, so to a degree they probably weren't taking sides in that particular feud. I think Charlize, when she said she felt alone, was likely saying that she didn't feel supported by the producers and maybe felt like she was the only one going through it (to that degree).
The fact that they didn't let the female producer help was so odd. The only thing I can think of is that the main producers didn't want her interference with their schedule.
If that's the case, then fuck the producers. They could just let the actors, you know, ACT without purposely cultivating a toxic, dystopian work environment in hopes that it'll turn everyone into real life savages to better portray fake ones.
Yeah , I considered that perspective… but a good actor may not pick up nor display subtle things like complete despair and hopelessness because most of us have never even experienced or considered those these days much less exhibit them unless it was all but forced out of them
I had a lot of friends on this shoot (lots did Mad Max in Africa too), and the conditions were absolutely brutal. Months in shitty Alice Springs, red dirt, dust, insane temperatures, extreme hours, sand, noise, night shoots, crap accomodation. Absolutely fucking tough stuff. Then to Kurnell sand hills for some even more flogging. Hats off to all of them. VFX, yes, but most work was in camera stunts with MANY vehicles plus duplicates. Then not to mention 2nd Unit!
I mean, absolutely. He’s an icon of Australian cinema. To be credited with one of his films is an enormous compliment to your ability. He treats his crew well, and engages the same people repeatedly (which is always a good sign). I’ve seen lots of BTS pics and honestly the rigs should be in a museum exhibition one day. Unbelievable feat of engineering and design. I’ve seen some of the stunt vids too and it would’ve been unreal to be on set for those. I’d recommend watching “The Madness of Max” documentary about making the original film. It’s been loose and insane since the start. It’s definitely something they can all be proud of. Each department, I mean, sand/dirt/dust and cameras/lenses, lighting, costume, sound, SFX, HMU, vehicles etc do not mix so it’s a fucking technical marvel they got it all together. It was BRUTAL for everyone but an unbelievable shared experience by all accounts
That’s great to hear. I’m not in film but I have friends who are. It’s always wonderful to hear good things about people I respect. And always sad to hear bad things.
"It's been loose and insane since the start"-- totally, anybody who's actually watched the films and documentaries would know damn well what they're getting into, if they don't delude themselves that 'George made the cute barnyard-animal picture, respected by Hollywood, it'll be fine'. The cars are the real stars of the film, and nobody really looks like they're experiencing more fun than discomfort most of the time except maybe the drivers.
People are taking this like she’s being a brat about the movie, but it IS a truly isolating and grueling set to work on. I personally enjoy when actors are honest about the hardships of their job. It’s not always luxurious.
I wasn't really interested in this despite loving Fury Road because she just... Doesn't give me Furiosa energy at all. Read the plot description there and it's seriously making her backstory a "torn between two guys" schtick?
And it doesn't help that with this being a prequel we know Hemsworth's character loses, Furiosa doesn't make it home, and she proceeds to stay with women-as-milk-cattle owning Joe for the next two decades.
God I hate the prequel-sequel-reboot game. Again, I did really like Fury Road, but these things only work when they're giving us something new, not just Livejournal fanfic plots. One thing that I liked about Fury Road was it left you with so many wild questions, but you believed the crazy world and went with it. It worked. I don't *need* to *see* how that world or characters came to be because they did a good job the first time! Tell me a new story, don't keep overworking the dough on the old ones.
Agreed, I think Mad Max works as a snapshot of an apocalypse. It puts you in the right mindframe of a society that has lost all knowledge.
You don't know why everyone is running around in cars - it doesn't really matter. The more you learn the less enjoyable it is because plot holes appear.
That movie was perfect. I can’t think of a single think I would change …
I’m hoping I’ll be surprised by the prequel that we didn’t need aside from the fact that the first was so god damn good
Agreed. They’re always made to un-creatively capitalize on the previous film’s success, ignoring everything that made it a success. And doing it to a character that is already young and still has more stories in their future seems to misunderstand the whole idea of a prequel.
The only way that a prequel can work is with a wide slew of new characters that are not directly antagonists of the main character. I'm really hoping Hollywood clues into that at some point, because nothing matters in a prequel otherwise.
It wasn't received well by some, but I legit was enjoying Rings of Power. Knowing Galadriel or anyone else from later in the story is gonna survive hasn't changed anything for me since there are tons of supporting characters with their own journeys. It's a question of if they have a happy ending or die tragically.
Might’ve been better that way (anime prequels don’t feel as superfluous as other prequels, but more like a fun experiment), but I’m sure I’m gonna love the film anyway.
I totally agree. This reminds me of Jennifer Garner “fighting” or 90 lbs Keira Knightley intoning “my name is Domino Hahhvie. I’m a bounty huntaah”
I’ll still see this though !
Charlize is a gorgeous, beautiful actor. But she can put on muscle weight or change her appearance significantly for roles. ATJ is always ATJ. She’s terrific, absolutely, but she doesn’t disappear like Theron can.
It seems like it was more weightloss than buccal fat removal. If you look at some recent red carpet photos of her it looks like she has gained some weight and gotten fuller cheeks again. Like here https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/cepiRNELoA
For me it's not the Furiosa energy so much as the drastically different tone. *Fury Road* was all about crazy levels of raw realism. I was never cringing or even noticing at all, the VFX (yes there were some).
The extended materials I've seen so far on Furiosa look to be the complete opposite. To the point that I *hope* it's intentional (i.e. trying to be more like *Sin City*).
If it's not intentional, it's an abysmal, ersatz attempt at a sequel.
This is exactly what I thought. There’s no way that this person, no matter how gnarly, becomes a Charlize Furiosa. She might somehow win a fucking Oscar for this film, but no one holds a candle to the continental blaze that is Theron. It’s just weirdly unfair to do a prequel.
From the snippets I've seen of her acting, it looks that isolation has paid off. I know theirs plenty of doubters pertaining to her casting and cgi but I'm not too worried because it's George Miller and the Mad Max universe. Sure the plot won't be that compelling because we know where Furiosa's story goes but the spectacle will be worth the price of admission and hopefully Miller will get to make more films in the Wastelands.
So... Lots of green screen? Sir Ian McKellen said the same thing while filming Hobbit films. Whatever studio or people promoting this movie might say, there's heavy use of CG and Green/ Blue screen in this.
I’ll trust the people who actually worked on the film,
Thanks.
And of course a lot of CGI is a part of it, I expect that. Doesn’t mean it was primarily shot on green screen though, my man.
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Yes. We know. We know that every frame has some CGI. Anyone who knew anything about filmmaking could tell that from a single frame in the trailer back in the day. We all know this.
That wasn’t what we were discussing. Please engage with our actual topic before quickly scanning for an opportunity to link your usual talking points and pat yourself on the back for educating a rube.
You speculated that Anya felt isolated because she was alone on green screen/soundstages a lot, isolated from other cast members constantly like Ian McKellen was for the Hobbit trilogy.
I said that this film was filmed mostly on location, which wasn’t the case for the Hobbit, and so it is unlikely that Anya was on soundstages constantly to the degree McKellan was. I highly doubt she saw more green screens for this production than she did for New Mutants or even the VVitch. I’m sure she was on a few, as any highly stylized big blockbuster film would need but not to the degree McKellen had to be to make the height effects work on the Hobbit. The article mentions nothing of green screen fatigue, either, but rather the stress of shooting on location and doing physical difficult scenes there.
Please, just engage with what we’re actually saying. I’m sorry to come across as condescending, but blue-linking me with stale, stale news is condescending in itself.
I'm saying don't be naive and understand how products are promoted. Did you work on the film? Why are you so confident that it was all location? Even in the trailer some shots looked incredibly inferior to Fury Road.
The two reasons I watched the last one: Charlize Therone and Tom Hardy's lips. The only reason I'll watch this one: Anya Taylor Joy. I'll watch her in anything. She makes interesting choices and I'm never bored when she's on screen.
There’s nothing normal about making a “Mad Max” movie, and Anya Taylor-Joy knew that when she signed on to star in “Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga,” the newest film in George Miller’s long-running action series.
“I wanted to be changed,” she said. “I wanted to be put in a situation in extremis where I would have no choice but to grow. And I got it.”
Why tf is this even a headline then ? Actor knows what she got herself into, actor wants to be changed and put in extreme conditions, actor still complains and has issues with set. I’m sorry but what am I missing here lol.
I’m tired of actors complaining about doing their jobs bc sometimes it’s hard. Thats like if I were to agree to a construction job for a certain pay but when I got there I realized I’d have to work in the hot sun so I complain and ask for more. I mean I signed up and knew what I was getting myself into. That doesn’t mean I should bad mouth the company or manager. Why can’t actors just be grateful and move on ? I’m sure the PAs on set had just as hard of a time as her but with 10% of the pay and none of the fame.
Yeah but none of this means she can't still complain about it. She's just talking about her experience. And there's as much room out there in the world as there is here on Reddit for anybody to say whatever it is they want.
Being a PA is like being an indentured servant. Your day could be as long as 18 hours, and you'd walk around 30 miles a day. They WILL NOT allow you to sit down, because it makes you look "unprofessional." They talk to you as if you aren't a person. You eat, last. How do I know? I was a pa.. Fuck Hollywood. I will forever and always steal their movies. I will forever teach others how to steal their movies.
I know somebody who did it and the only positive thing I ever heard him say was that David Spade is a really good dude who shared his vegetarian food with him.
I always hoped David Spade was a good guy. But I'm not surprised that David was your friend's only positive experience. Being a PA is the lowest of the low in terms of crew, and they absolutely let you know it through their actions.
Yeah, he talks shit on basically everybody else he ever met. Hates Ryan Seacrest with a fiery passion. Haha. But he said David Spade was awesome. Recognized he wasn't eating the catering which was all meat and invited him to come eat and talk with him
The difference is that no one is doing interviews to with construction workers to promote the house they built. And if you were interviewed after a laborious effort, are you going to act tough and say it was easy?
She’s an actor talking about her experience when asked. You’re in an entertainment sub complaining about how she answered questions in a New York Times interview.
I swear I remember hearing people talk about her playing in a prequel walking out of Fury Road when it was in theaters so lots of people have wanted this prequel and wanted her to do it. We're about to get both in less than two weeks and this is going to be the biggest movie of the year. I'm stoked Anya is part of it and I'm sure it was quite challenging but she's so fucking awesome, I know she gave her all and it'll show.
Whenever it’s someone who doesn’t seem right for a role the marketing becomes about the lengths they went to in the role. One of my least favorite forms of movie marketing up there with using review quotes in the trailer. Always makes me less interested somehow
The number of options women have for roles drops off a cliff when they get older, so I think it’s totally valid for younger women to collect as much bag as they can while they’re able to imo.
Bro what are you on about? Tom cruise, vin diesel, the rock, RDJ, Brolin, Arnold, Stallone, Liam Neeson, Denzel. Even Brad Pitt
The roles open up cuz those tend to be the people in charge. The screen reflects
Edit: how could I forget Bruce Willis
"So many"? If anything, she's been pretty selective and the reason I personally enjoy her work is because of her interesting, diverse choices in roles.
Well “tens of millions” is a bit of a stretch. That’s Dwayne The Rock Johnson money you’re talking about. She isn’t even the highest paid actress around. She probably banked a cool $5 mil, though.
Usually this is code for 'I'm not fucking doing a sequel.'
I see she took the Dakota Johnson approach
Huh? Explain?
I assume its regarding madame webb
My bad. My brain pulled up Dakota Fanning so you can see my confusion now
I did this too!
Whoa me too. Is mercury in retrograde lol
Blame it on the caprisun, pacific cooler is a brain cleanser.
When ISNT mercury in retrograde
I literally thought the same thing, that’s wild
Yo me too wth lol
It’s crazy that we all thought this.
Higher cheekbones?
Nothing says quality like filming most of your scenes spliced together in front of a green screen. I see we've hit the point in the marketing tour where she can start hating on the movie because they've got all the pre-sale tickets.
Emma Watson said the same thing about Beauty and the Beast. There were whole scenes where it was just her on a giant green screen alone, trying to act without anyone or thing to really react to. The Be Our Guest scene was just her sitting silently at a table making faces of astonishment and awe to nothing
Well… That’s her job.
Yep, and she did it, and didn't like it, and probably won't do it again
She made $$ Did she ever get cast into anything with that much fanbase?
Don’t think she was in anything big before or after really.
Even Dobby in the second Harry Potter was an orange ball on a stick.
Transformers is just Shia LeBouf running around pretending to react to giant robots. His performance is actually pretty good when you take that into account.
Similarly why I've got no interest in IF. Ryan Reynolds reacting to prompts, I'd rather just go watch old episode of Foster's Home.
If it means anything, I saw them filming part of that movie in NYC and they had a[guy wearing a giant smiley face and a hula hoop](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11276049/amp/Ryan-Reynolds-director-John-Krasinski-set-Imaginary-Friends.html) that Ryan interacted with.
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That doesn't say anything about the movie quality.
Good thing they already filmed the sequel
Came to say that. The sequel to a prequel is just the movie that’s already been made.
That's not true. A prequel is a type of sequel. Sequels have nothing to do with the in world chronology of the film, only the order they were actually made in. In other words, Star Wars Episode 4 is not a sequel to any other film, nor is it a prequel.
Reddit moment
damn, sucks we could've had the original Furiosa for multiple movies like most fans wanted
Yeah, I'm a little worried about this one. To me the previews have all looked like bad green screen compositing and a lot of aftereffects to mask the fake looking scenes. A far cry from what we got with Fury Road. But I really want to be proved wrong here. I'll be there opening day.
Okay I thought I was alone watching that trailer I was like nah it’s George Miller can’t be as Fury Road is one of my favourite movies But yea it looks like they didn’t really try or put the same effort into this which surprises me coming from Miller
I’m sure the millions she was paid kept her plenty company
It’s ok. She dies at the end.
I don’t know why I doubt this…
because this is a prequel and the 2015 movie has her 10-15 years older and alive?
Nah, it's something else.
Yeah, the math doesn’t add up. Definitely a different actress.
During her pause.. she thought, “ Dune Part 2 was a walk in the park”. In my opinion Any Actor or Actress who walks into the World of Mad Max really push themselves into some hardcore shit. I imagine taking on such a role has to be a journey within one’s self to pull off. Can’t wait to see it.
How long was her scene in Dune 2?
A couple of seconds, basically an uncredited cameo appearance.
Some voiceovers too.
The fuck of course Dune was a walk in the park for her, she had one 3 second scene that consisted of her standing still and saying a I love you, that’s possibly the easiest paycheck anyone’s ever gotten, did she seriously expect a whole ass movie to be the same?
I mean she doesn’t actually say any of that in the article or compare Furiosa to Dune at all? I think the commenter made a poorly formed joke or just making stuff up.
Hey, Shut up, I'm furious that she could have said it. Or thought it. Whatever happend, im on reddit, and I am angry.
I just read the Vanity Fair article about the feud between Charlize Theron and Tom Hardy and it's interesting to hear how both Charlize and Anya said that they felt so alone on their sets. Charlize's bad experience in Fury Road was mostly from Tom, but she said that she felt like she had no one in her corner. She wanted an experienced female producer to join the set and try to reconcile things and be in her corner, but the main producer was so territorial about the set, and maintaining certain "conditions". It's interesting, she was on set with all these other women (the "wives"), who also had beef with Tom, but she still felt alone. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/mad-max-fury-road-tom-hardy-charlize-theron-excerpt I think the remoteness of the two movie sets might have been a huge factor in their feeling isolated, but it sounds like a management issue as well. It's easy to blame Tom for his unprofessionalism in Fury Road, but really it sounds like the producers didn't do enough to support and maintain a professional working atmosphere. I wonder if thay continued when filming Furiosa? Like how many times can an actor be 8 hours late to set with no consequence? It's a top down issue, and maybe certain conditions were overlooked to draw certain emotions out of their actors? Or maybe rural Australia just really sucks for filming lol
I'd highly recommend Blood, Sweat & Chrome by Kyle Buchanan, it's a really fascinating read about the making of the movie that fleshes out all of the turmoil well
I don't have a vanity fair subscription. Can you summarize why Tom was a problem?
He constantly showed up late to set when shooting days were already grueling and miserable. Like 6-8 hours late. Imagine having to deal with somebody who thinks he’s good enough to make people wait around all day in the hot desert. I’d be livid too.
I had heard way back when that Tom was bad on set, but didn't know he specifics. I wonder why he was showing up late, a few famous actors who had this problem it ultimately ended up being a serious drug / alcohol problem causing them to be many hours late for shooting time. Jim Gandolfini infamously had this the second half of Sopranos, sometimes missing entire filming days because he would literally be on the streets of New York zooted out of his mind. There was apparently one incident where the production literally couldn't find the guy for days, and they were worried he had gone off and died of an overdose somewhere. Then he randomly shows up a few days later.
From what I remember he didn't want to be there and thought the movie was stupid. But then he saw the finished film and immediately went and apologized to everyone. Don't know if that makes up for making everyone miserable.
Dependa, did he get forced into the movie or did he choose to do it? Because if he chose to do it of his own free will then that him being a shitty person who thought he was above doing Mad Max: Fury Road and made it everyone else's problem. But it's up to each individual crew member if they want to forgive him.
It was a bit more nuanced than that as I recall. Not that what he did was acceptable but he was going through a rough time, filming in general was a bit of a mess (think there was often no script or rewrites), and the stress of replacing Mel, so Tom was just depressed while filming something he thought was going to tank. Charlize was also having a rough time and him being late often broke her and had her get aggressive with him to which he responded the same way. They made up later during filming and Tom’s been pretty vocal that he was an asshole and behaved poorly.
Weirdly enough probably helped sell the animosity between their two characters at the start
Rewatching their fight scene after making it through the sandstorm, Charlize looks pretty into wailing on him. Hard to fake that look in the eye…
He had been sober for a long time by the time they filmed Fury Road. So it’s not drugs, he just is (or was) an ass. Maybe the brutal conditions got to him, but no matter what, there’s no excuse. It was unprofessional.
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No--this is just based on a number of cast interviews, they generally try to talk about it respectfully as well because he was very beloved by everyone who ever worked with him. Michael Imperioli and Steve Schiripa (the guy who played Bobby Baccalieri) have a podcast and they have talked about it a couple of times.
I think they may be playing on you using the familiarity of 'Jim' vs the usual 'James'. But I could be wrong.
Ah—yeah James is just his credited name, if you listen to a lot of the Sopranos podcasts literally all of those guys call him Jim, I don’t think he ever really went by James. I just used it because that is what I hear him called most of the time these days—back when he was alive I definitely remember using James, but the podcasts just have me using Jim without thinking about it:
Jfc. You can be late to a lot of jobs, but filming a movie is like the worst job to be late to.
It's not awesome, but I've definitely heard of worse.
So while waiting on set with the entire cast and crew besides Tom, they felt lonely? We’re going to pretend that makes sense? They were alone on set because one guy wasn’t there? Okay, sounds good — Edit: that’s it! Vote it down so people don’t get caught up in annoying little things like logic. The article is about her being lonely on set. If you’re lonely around an entire filming crew because one guy wasn’t there… you’re either a liar or you’re obsessed with him.
There’s a difference between being alone and being/feeling lonely. You can feel lonely in a room full of people if you aren’t really connecting with any of them, or if you aren’t feeling heard (or respected as seems to be the case with the producer), etc. From the sound of it, the lack of having anyone “in her corner” and the other main star of the film seeming to not give a shit or respecting what they were doing seem to be the contributing factors. Makes perfect sense to me.
Come out of mom’s basement once in a while, and you might begin to understand… “it’s lonely at the top,” “alone together in the coffee shop,” etc.
On top of what’s been said; there was an instance where he was 5+ hours late, with Charlize sitting patiently in the war rig the entire 5 hours, and finally when Tom sauntered onto set, she blew up and demanded he be fined X amount of money for every hour of everyone’s time he wasted, at which point he got incredibly toxic, marched up, got in her face and was all “what did you just say to me?” And made her feel threatened. Nicholas Hoult compared it to being a kid in the backseat of the car while your parents are fighting.
many have said it. Tom Hardy is apparently a guerrilla on set …
Guerrilla or gorilla? Neither are really known for rudeness
He always trying to violently overthrow the director
>Guerrilla or gorilla? Neither are really known for rudeness Why, just the other day, a Silverback held the door for me at Kroger!
shia laboof said it on some podcast
That's because Tom Hardy thinks he runs all the sets he's on. I'm sure it didn't go that way on Nolan's set. But I've heard he's a bully on set. Not cool.
Which sucks. Hearing he was a dog lover made me think he must be a softy but I guess he’s one of those who prefers dogs to people… which, I can’t blame him for, but I’m not going to be an unprofessional jerk about it.
I can blame him for it. Dude sounds crazy and dogs aren't people. Of course they're easy to get along with. They're literally bred to be subservient to you. It says a lot about a man if he prefers dogs to other people. 🤷🏽♀️
All sorts of nutcases love dogs. It's a really bad metric to judge someone by.
Yeah, I get it. I heard he has rescued several strays in locations he filmed in which pulled my heartstrings. But you’re totally right. Hitler and Putin liked dogs too.
I hate when people report this, time and time again. Maybe, instead of only reading Vanity Fair, try Googling around a bit and have a look at any or all of the various interviews the people involved with the project have given. There's more to the story then, "Tom made Charlize feel unsafe and was generally unprofessional." A lot more. The primary interaction that consistently gets recounted has to do with her directly confronting him and him responding in a similarly aggressive manner. There have been a few reports as to why Tom was having problems with the film (his dog died, no complete working script during shooting, taking over the role from Mel). Some of this has been discussed but hardly ever gets reported on, likely because it's not as interesting as two actors hating each other. I believe Tom also gave Charlize a bracelet or a painting at the end of production, with a note telling Theron that he appreciated her (something to that effect). But even more than that, Tom later apologized to George (during the press conference for Fury Road) for his overall frustration and attitude, as well as admitting that he could have been a better partner for Charlize during their time on the film. Everybody involved made a great film, but people insist on crafting this narrative around Tom (and really by extension George Miller) creating some unsafe work environment for women. That's actually the only issue I have whenever Theron talks about her experiences with the movie.
I never said I only read Vanity Fair., I linked that to quote Charlize's comments and isolation because it of its striking similarity to Anya's. My point in my main and followup comment isn't about any perceived feud between Tom and Charlize (in a second comment I said I didn't feel like she was abused), but I was trying to get the point across, perhaps inarticulately, that the real underlying issue *is* beyond just their little fight, and likely connects the experiences felt with both movies. I said that while it's easy to blame Tom Hardy, there is more to the story, one that likely lies with overall management of the two films.
I think that method worked for the movie producing a post apocalyptic dystopia where every one is out for themselves, there is no one in anyone’s corner… every man or woman for themselves , there is no one who cares about your feelings
That's what I suspected the producers were trying to do with the sets. Even method actor Tom to a degree (he grew kinder near the end of shooting, which others on the movie said paralleled the movie relationship). It struck me as bizarre that the producer wouldn't let the veteran female producer come in and give Charlize the support she was begging for. He wanted to keep the atmosphere going, but on the other hand, that doesn't make sense. The production was costly enough and all these delays didn't help. At the end of the day, (hopefully) producers wouldn't sacrifice the bottom line for drawing out a method performance. There has to be a line on sets with working conditions to protect the cast and crew. (Not saying Charlize was in an abusive situation at all). I don't know if the conditions will result in a better movie or not, they are actors after all, and it's hard to feel sorry for these actors who are getting a huge payday, but we also don't want to go to the extreme of The Shining director and torture our lead to draw out a better fear performance. Safe and fair working conditions are a right, even for millionaire actors. It doesn't sound like that line was crossed on either movie set at all, but a smoother production is ultimately a win for the movie.
Yeah, I really love this movie and it’s kinda disappointing to read some of this. I also don’t get why they wouldn’t abide Charlize’s request to have a female producer come on set for support. She didn’t seem like she was much of a problem and her attitude was in reaction to Tom’s chronic unprofessionalism, so why deny her something that would make her feel better and maybe lead to a resolution between the two main actors. I am also confused that all the Wives were sick of Tom too, but I guess they didn’t bond with Charlize? If she were seeking female support, you’d think they’d have her back.
The other women (who spoke on it) indicated that Tom and Charlize had different approaches to acting, so to a degree they probably weren't taking sides in that particular feud. I think Charlize, when she said she felt alone, was likely saying that she didn't feel supported by the producers and maybe felt like she was the only one going through it (to that degree). The fact that they didn't let the female producer help was so odd. The only thing I can think of is that the main producers didn't want her interference with their schedule.
If that's the case, then fuck the producers. They could just let the actors, you know, ACT without purposely cultivating a toxic, dystopian work environment in hopes that it'll turn everyone into real life savages to better portray fake ones.
Yeah , I considered that perspective… but a good actor may not pick up nor display subtle things like complete despair and hopelessness because most of us have never even experienced or considered those these days much less exhibit them unless it was all but forced out of them
If you actually read the article, she’s just saying it was a challenging experience and something she grew and learned from. Damn. Give her a break.
I had a lot of friends on this shoot (lots did Mad Max in Africa too), and the conditions were absolutely brutal. Months in shitty Alice Springs, red dirt, dust, insane temperatures, extreme hours, sand, noise, night shoots, crap accomodation. Absolutely fucking tough stuff. Then to Kurnell sand hills for some even more flogging. Hats off to all of them. VFX, yes, but most work was in camera stunts with MANY vehicles plus duplicates. Then not to mention 2nd Unit!
Do you know if they liked working with George Miller?
I mean, absolutely. He’s an icon of Australian cinema. To be credited with one of his films is an enormous compliment to your ability. He treats his crew well, and engages the same people repeatedly (which is always a good sign). I’ve seen lots of BTS pics and honestly the rigs should be in a museum exhibition one day. Unbelievable feat of engineering and design. I’ve seen some of the stunt vids too and it would’ve been unreal to be on set for those. I’d recommend watching “The Madness of Max” documentary about making the original film. It’s been loose and insane since the start. It’s definitely something they can all be proud of. Each department, I mean, sand/dirt/dust and cameras/lenses, lighting, costume, sound, SFX, HMU, vehicles etc do not mix so it’s a fucking technical marvel they got it all together. It was BRUTAL for everyone but an unbelievable shared experience by all accounts
That’s great to hear. I’m not in film but I have friends who are. It’s always wonderful to hear good things about people I respect. And always sad to hear bad things.
"It's been loose and insane since the start"-- totally, anybody who's actually watched the films and documentaries would know damn well what they're getting into, if they don't delude themselves that 'George made the cute barnyard-animal picture, respected by Hollywood, it'll be fine'. The cars are the real stars of the film, and nobody really looks like they're experiencing more fun than discomfort most of the time except maybe the drivers.
People are taking this like she’s being a brat about the movie, but it IS a truly isolating and grueling set to work on. I personally enjoy when actors are honest about the hardships of their job. It’s not always luxurious.
I wasn't really interested in this despite loving Fury Road because she just... Doesn't give me Furiosa energy at all. Read the plot description there and it's seriously making her backstory a "torn between two guys" schtick?
And it doesn't help that with this being a prequel we know Hemsworth's character loses, Furiosa doesn't make it home, and she proceeds to stay with women-as-milk-cattle owning Joe for the next two decades.
God I hate the prequel-sequel-reboot game. Again, I did really like Fury Road, but these things only work when they're giving us something new, not just Livejournal fanfic plots. One thing that I liked about Fury Road was it left you with so many wild questions, but you believed the crazy world and went with it. It worked. I don't *need* to *see* how that world or characters came to be because they did a good job the first time! Tell me a new story, don't keep overworking the dough on the old ones.
Agreed, I think Mad Max works as a snapshot of an apocalypse. It puts you in the right mindframe of a society that has lost all knowledge. You don't know why everyone is running around in cars - it doesn't really matter. The more you learn the less enjoyable it is because plot holes appear.
That movie was perfect. I can’t think of a single think I would change … I’m hoping I’ll be surprised by the prequel that we didn’t need aside from the fact that the first was so god damn good
Agreed. They’re always made to un-creatively capitalize on the previous film’s success, ignoring everything that made it a success. And doing it to a character that is already young and still has more stories in their future seems to misunderstand the whole idea of a prequel.
The only way that a prequel can work is with a wide slew of new characters that are not directly antagonists of the main character. I'm really hoping Hollywood clues into that at some point, because nothing matters in a prequel otherwise. It wasn't received well by some, but I legit was enjoying Rings of Power. Knowing Galadriel or anyone else from later in the story is gonna survive hasn't changed anything for me since there are tons of supporting characters with their own journeys. It's a question of if they have a happy ending or die tragically.
When you watched Fury Road, did you truly care about the outcome?
I mean, am I wrong when I say yes? I wanted the wives to make it out safely and I wanted Furiosa to make it home.
Apparently this backstory was written at the same time as Fury Road and Charlize Theron used it as a reference while acting
It was originally an envisioned as an anime iirc
That would've been sooooo fucking awesome
Might’ve been better that way (anime prequels don’t feel as superfluous as other prequels, but more like a fun experiment), but I’m sure I’m gonna love the film anyway.
I really wish they would cast women who appear strong and athletic and physically tough for roles where the audience is asked to believe they’re such.
I totally agree. This reminds me of Jennifer Garner “fighting” or 90 lbs Keira Knightley intoning “my name is Domino Hahhvie. I’m a bounty huntaah” I’ll still see this though !
Ok, I’m glad I’m not completely alone here… ATJ is incredibly thin, almost skeletal. There have to be other actresses that would look the part better…
Charlize is a gorgeous, beautiful actor. But she can put on muscle weight or change her appearance significantly for roles. ATJ is always ATJ. She’s terrific, absolutely, but she doesn’t disappear like Theron can.
How Anya doesn’t look athletic? I doubt the film includes hand to hand fighting regarding strength but weapons and driving
She looks emaciated after the buccal fat surgery tbh
It seems like it was more weightloss than buccal fat removal. If you look at some recent red carpet photos of her it looks like she has gained some weight and gotten fuller cheeks again. Like here https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/cepiRNELoA
Not like she’d be beefed up anyway in a world with scarce food resources and barely any water
For me it's not the Furiosa energy so much as the drastically different tone. *Fury Road* was all about crazy levels of raw realism. I was never cringing or even noticing at all, the VFX (yes there were some). The extended materials I've seen so far on Furiosa look to be the complete opposite. To the point that I *hope* it's intentional (i.e. trying to be more like *Sin City*). If it's not intentional, it's an abysmal, ersatz attempt at a sequel.
This is exactly what I thought. There’s no way that this person, no matter how gnarly, becomes a Charlize Furiosa. She might somehow win a fucking Oscar for this film, but no one holds a candle to the continental blaze that is Theron. It’s just weirdly unfair to do a prequel.
Yeah I agree, I think she’s a good actress and I’m a fan but I don’t see her as furiosa at all and when it was announced she got cast I was puzzled
Oh no. I’ll still see it in theaters to see it with my own eyes, but I hope it’s not a love triangle type movie
I saw the trailer and my enthusiasm instantly and significantly reduced. Too much CGI for my taste.
Lol dunno why this downvoted, he/she is right. Compared to the first movie the trailer looked very fake/not grounded
It’s all about the action though. Fury Road was hardly Shakespeare but damn is it fun to watch.
From the snippets I've seen of her acting, it looks that isolation has paid off. I know theirs plenty of doubters pertaining to her casting and cgi but I'm not too worried because it's George Miller and the Mad Max universe. Sure the plot won't be that compelling because we know where Furiosa's story goes but the spectacle will be worth the price of admission and hopefully Miller will get to make more films in the Wastelands.
So... Lots of green screen? Sir Ian McKellen said the same thing while filming Hobbit films. Whatever studio or people promoting this movie might say, there's heavy use of CG and Green/ Blue screen in this.
Christian Bale hated making love and thunder for same reason.
No, this was shot on location.
Not in its entirety lol. This is something these studios and people promoting say to get you to the movies.
I’ll trust the people who actually worked on the film, Thanks. And of course a lot of CGI is a part of it, I expect that. Doesn’t mean it was primarily shot on green screen though, my man.
It's part of promotion. "It's completely practical with no cgi" is a myth. Watch this: https://youtu.be/7ttG90raCNo?feature=shared
… Yes. We know. We know that every frame has some CGI. Anyone who knew anything about filmmaking could tell that from a single frame in the trailer back in the day. We all know this. That wasn’t what we were discussing. Please engage with our actual topic before quickly scanning for an opportunity to link your usual talking points and pat yourself on the back for educating a rube. You speculated that Anya felt isolated because she was alone on green screen/soundstages a lot, isolated from other cast members constantly like Ian McKellen was for the Hobbit trilogy. I said that this film was filmed mostly on location, which wasn’t the case for the Hobbit, and so it is unlikely that Anya was on soundstages constantly to the degree McKellan was. I highly doubt she saw more green screens for this production than she did for New Mutants or even the VVitch. I’m sure she was on a few, as any highly stylized big blockbuster film would need but not to the degree McKellen had to be to make the height effects work on the Hobbit. The article mentions nothing of green screen fatigue, either, but rather the stress of shooting on location and doing physical difficult scenes there. Please, just engage with what we’re actually saying. I’m sorry to come across as condescending, but blue-linking me with stale, stale news is condescending in itself.
I'm saying don't be naive and understand how products are promoted. Did you work on the film? Why are you so confident that it was all location? Even in the trailer some shots looked incredibly inferior to Fury Road.
Because I know people who worked on it from the CGI side.
Cool. They told you about the movie? Isn't it breaching of NDA?
We talk shop, not details.
Here come the advertisements written like articles.
The two reasons I watched the last one: Charlize Therone and Tom Hardy's lips. The only reason I'll watch this one: Anya Taylor Joy. I'll watch her in anything. She makes interesting choices and I'm never bored when she's on screen.
I thought charlize theron was furiosa? man i dont know shit anymore in old age :(
This is a prequel. Young Furiosa is played by Anya Taylor Joy
Oh right, thank you!
tbh this isn't the sequel I was hoping for in the mad max universe. already know how it ends for her... -_-
There’s nothing normal about making a “Mad Max” movie, and Anya Taylor-Joy knew that when she signed on to star in “Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga,” the newest film in George Miller’s long-running action series. “I wanted to be changed,” she said. “I wanted to be put in a situation in extremis where I would have no choice but to grow. And I got it.” Why tf is this even a headline then ? Actor knows what she got herself into, actor wants to be changed and put in extreme conditions, actor still complains and has issues with set. I’m sorry but what am I missing here lol. I’m tired of actors complaining about doing their jobs bc sometimes it’s hard. Thats like if I were to agree to a construction job for a certain pay but when I got there I realized I’d have to work in the hot sun so I complain and ask for more. I mean I signed up and knew what I was getting myself into. That doesn’t mean I should bad mouth the company or manager. Why can’t actors just be grateful and move on ? I’m sure the PAs on set had just as hard of a time as her but with 10% of the pay and none of the fame.
I agree with your argument, but have you ever actually worked with contractors? Because what you're describing actually happens a lot.
Yeah but none of this means she can't still complain about it. She's just talking about her experience. And there's as much room out there in the world as there is here on Reddit for anybody to say whatever it is they want.
Being a PA is like being an indentured servant. Your day could be as long as 18 hours, and you'd walk around 30 miles a day. They WILL NOT allow you to sit down, because it makes you look "unprofessional." They talk to you as if you aren't a person. You eat, last. How do I know? I was a pa.. Fuck Hollywood. I will forever and always steal their movies. I will forever teach others how to steal their movies.
I know somebody who did it and the only positive thing I ever heard him say was that David Spade is a really good dude who shared his vegetarian food with him.
I always hoped David Spade was a good guy. But I'm not surprised that David was your friend's only positive experience. Being a PA is the lowest of the low in terms of crew, and they absolutely let you know it through their actions.
Yeah, he talks shit on basically everybody else he ever met. Hates Ryan Seacrest with a fiery passion. Haha. But he said David Spade was awesome. Recognized he wasn't eating the catering which was all meat and invited him to come eat and talk with him
The difference is that no one is doing interviews to with construction workers to promote the house they built. And if you were interviewed after a laborious effort, are you going to act tough and say it was easy? She’s an actor talking about her experience when asked. You’re in an entertainment sub complaining about how she answered questions in a New York Times interview.
So when they are asked, do they not answer truthfully?
It’s all for marketing
I swear I remember hearing people talk about her playing in a prequel walking out of Fury Road when it was in theaters so lots of people have wanted this prequel and wanted her to do it. We're about to get both in less than two weeks and this is going to be the biggest movie of the year. I'm stoked Anya is part of it and I'm sure it was quite challenging but she's so fucking awesome, I know she gave her all and it'll show.
Sounds like it was more work than she’s ever done, or ever wanted to do. I’m sure Dunkin would hire her for a night shift.
Whenever it’s someone who doesn’t seem right for a role the marketing becomes about the lengths they went to in the role. One of my least favorite forms of movie marketing up there with using review quotes in the trailer. Always makes me less interested somehow
Anya Taylor-Joy needs to stop taking so many roles
The number of options women have for roles drops off a cliff when they get older, so I think it’s totally valid for younger women to collect as much bag as they can while they’re able to imo.
Exactly.
That’s true for everyone.
Not to the same degree at all. 40-50 year old men have dozens more opportunities than women do.
Like 80% of the top grossing actors year to year are men over 50 my dude
No it’s not, most roles for men open up dramatically as they near 40-60
They open up dramatically because they’re too old for action at that age.
Bro what are you on about? Tom cruise, vin diesel, the rock, RDJ, Brolin, Arnold, Stallone, Liam Neeson, Denzel. Even Brad Pitt The roles open up cuz those tend to be the people in charge. The screen reflects Edit: how could I forget Bruce Willis
I’m just saying that there are more dramatic roles for older men.
Lol good talk then
"So many"? If anything, she's been pretty selective and the reason I personally enjoy her work is because of her interesting, diverse choices in roles.
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She’s not a star?
When actors whine… sheesh. Cry me a river, girl.
Awwww poor little rich actress had to work hard for a few weeks to get tens of millions of dollars.....
Well “tens of millions” is a bit of a stretch. That’s Dwayne The Rock Johnson money you’re talking about. She isn’t even the highest paid actress around. She probably banked a cool $5 mil, though.
$1,8mil for Furiosa. Not bad for around 6 months of work, imho.
Shit, lower than I thought.
Hot take: FURIOSA wasn’t even needed at all as a prequel Just a cash grab film
That’s a very lukewarm take
Tepid-at-best take.
Cry me a fucking river.
Ohh please, boo hoo. You cashed those checks
She looks weirdddd
She looks like she stopped aging at nine years old.
Well, Anya, enroll as a target employee to feel more not alone, I guess?
OH BIGGGG f---ing deal . who cares