No worries there are enough of the same type as a russian variant. I know a family of „Russlanddeutsche“, don’t know the English term, anyway descendants of German settlers that went to Russia back in the days.
These guys came „back“ to Germany after the Soviet Union fell apart, they all have a very good life here and haven’t been living in Russia ever since but oh boy is everything Putin or the russian media is saying absolutely correct and German or more general western media are all lying. They even believe Putin when he said in the recent „interview“ that he has no interest in the Baltic states while it’s pretty obvious to most people now that weren’t they part of NATO they‘d be pretty surely gone by now (once again).
They are all very nice people but they are complete morons regarding these topics.
And Georgia doesn't have diplomatic relations with Russia, so the Russians from Georgia had to travel (mostly to Yerevan from Tbilisi and maybe Turkey from Batumi) to vote.
Serbia was among few countries in Europe who accepted Russians after war started. And those who left Russia when war started are anti Putin, mostly middle class, working in IT, and also many IT businesses with their workforce and families moved to Serbia because they couldn't have payments with the West from Russia because of the sanctions.
I also met many Russians here in Serbia, and they never hide it they were against Putin.
Turkey, Armenia, Serbia are all countries where Russians can get visa on the border and therefore huge number of ppl relocated there when the war begun.
Greece is probably have a lot of very religious orthodox Russians settled there for many years. They tend to support the "Great Russia".
Also strong ties and loyalty to the Orthodox church.
Russia continues to fund those that support the church and also uses it as part of its international spy network.
https://www.barrons.com/news/sweden-cuts-support-for-russian-church-after-intelligence-warnings-5b8eeaaa
https://ecfr.eu/article/propaganda-in-holy-orders-africa-ukraine-and-the-russian-orthodox-church/
The Russians that came to Armenia are extremely liberal (Thank God). They stand out because locals in Yerevan mostly wear all black, and the Russians are dressed like hippies.
I’m one of russians who left Russia and stayed in Serbia for a while. I’m surprised that putin have 3% there - I thought it shouldn’t be more then 1%.
After war in Ukraine started, a lot of people like me, who is opposed to putin, a lot of IT workers, a lot of young people (20y-40y) mostly from Moscow and Saint-Petersburg left Russia. There was around a million like me who left. And there not a lot of places where we can go - only some ex-USSR counties like Armenia and Georgia (with some additions), some ex-Ugoslavia countries like Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia, and Turkey because of “neutral”-position. And Israel, because some of those people have Israel passport. (Also, I forgot to mention ex-USSR *-stan republics like Uzbekistan, but there is just few hundreds thousands there).
People who I personally knew before 2022, I know at least 20 people who are in Turkey now (mostly Istanbul, Antalya, Kash and Fethie), around 150 people in Serbia and Montenegro, around 20 people in Armenia.
And this is not political activists - this is regular people, ex-coworkers, friends from universities, etc. and yes NOBODY of them likes putin.
Yeah, I've meet quite a few of you when I was traveling around the Stans, Caucasus and Turkey. I really hope one day Putin is gone and you can happily come back back to your country and build a new and better Russia. You all deserve it.
Thank you.
Well, honestly, I’m not want to return. I already sold my apartment in Russia and trying to settle in Barcelona. That’s warm here 😃! The reason is that in Russia is still enough people like me, who do not like putin, but there are more (very, very more) of putin supporters still there. And there are more of them. Not 87%, but strictly more than 50%, I’m sure. I do not to be a minority in aggressive majority, which thinks they are superior nation and hates anything “which related to the West”.
The only regret is my parents can’t leave Russia with me because they do not have enough money to live here and I’m not rich enough to support them here. Only to buy them tickets to arrive once a year.
A lot of people relocated to Serbia because its quite easy to get residency permit and live there without needs of visa run to neighboring countries. I have 3 friends from Russia who moved to Serbia
Many russians that dont like Putin moved to Serbia last 2 years, those 3% are probably those who work for embassy and russians who already lived there from before the war.
These are the countries where dissident middle class can go without a visa. I am not surprised as EU is about to almost ban Russians (almost indiscriminately).
I don’t understand why we would ban Russians coming to Europe fleeing from Russia. They are mostly educated, middle class people and gonna be a valuable asset. They already are close to use culturally and all children of Russian immigrants I know are perfectly integrated.
It's already hard to get a Schengen visa. In Turkey even my half-Russian friends (that were born and raised in TR) get immediately denied a visa once the offices sees their parent's Russian name in the submitted family register.
Yes, is for real. All the Russians I've met since the invasion (and there's a lot of them in Belgrade) have run away from the war and are anti Putin. So yeah, not surprised with the results
So Putin averages around 10% support internationally, but somehow wins almost 90% of the vote domestically? I understand there is a margin of error as anti-Putin Russians are more likely to leave Russia, but normally these international voting statistics don't differ too radically from how people vote domestically. In this case, it appears to be night and day.
Of course we know the election is a farce, but still funny to observe.
It should be noted too that this was the first election in Russia that allowed "online voting" to be used instead of live location voting. Which obviously makes producing a ton of bot votes easier for the Kremlin.
Well it's a combination of the fact that Russian propaganda on its citizens is actually so massive that a big chunk of people actually do idolize, or at the very least like/don't mind Putin, the fact that the majority of Russian being abroad most likely left because of Putin in the first place, and then yeha sure a little bit of rigging is sure to have happened here and there too
When Gestapo officer asks you, "Do you love our dear furher?", what do you reply?
That, and all of the government employees - teachers, doctors, policemen, soldiers (even dead ones) - were ordered to vote for Putler. Under threat of termination (both from job and being sent to the front line) with requirement of making a photo proof of "vote".
I doubt however that anybody even counted these "votes". They just announced the number that Putler told them to announce. That's it.
He doesn't get 90% in Russia. The real numbers are most likely around 45-50% (there are calculations using some mathematical model going on, not sure how true, but they seem legit), and that's including people literally forced to vote for him. He'd probably still win a real election (well, if the candidates were still the same guys), but it would be far from a landslide.
Its because this where Russians who are against the War went. And to Serbia and to Georgia.
Something about \~2 milliones of for the most part IT professionals and their spouses and kids. Armenia had double digit economical growth because of the.
Man, Almaty became large hub for Russians fleeing from mobilization and stuff. Easy to get into, easy to settle down speaking Russian only and easy to remain connected to the world.
So much of Serbia hiding the most Russian supporters, this is the clear image of people who fled from something they don’t support and agree with to (unfortunately) another authoritarian regime. This is the downside of sanctions, however scrupulous this may seem to you, but sanctions close in the people and expose them to 200% more propaganda and misinformation thus we will have more supporters of the wrong in the future.
I want to note that there are many Russians who left the USSR when it fell and came to Greece. Most of the ones I've met are very very patriotic about Russia and support putin fanatically. They had children here and teach the same beliefs to them. Their children in many cases have both a Greek and a Russian passport so they can vote both in russian and in greek elections.
> but still insist on it being the greatest place on earth.
Come to the West for jobs and opportunity, but still believe the Motherland is the best thing since sliced bread because it is based and traditional.
Posted from my flat in [Western city].
This behaviour also exists in the following generations, where it is even stupider.
Such people are born and raised here, share a language and citizenship with us, live among us, but still they have contempt for our culture and feel superior to us.
Call us racist, too soft and decadent all day long, will define themselves by their "other" culture before their western culture, but still won't **ever** move "back to the old country". Because of course they know life sucks over there.
Well known fact about immigrants is that they stay in the country of origin's mindset at the moment they left. Kinda stuck in time.
In the meantime the country of origin also continues to change, so if they go back after say 20 or 30 years they don't recognize it anymore.
Part of the tragedy of immigrants if they don't integrate in the new country is that they don't belong anywhere anymore.
It's the same for Pakistanis here. The first generations aren't the problem, they come for a better life, it's the future generations that are the problem. They resent the natives around them.
Greek here, but was born in Russia
There are two kinds of Russian immigrants/expats
The first is the rich kind that profited from everything wrong with that country, those either support Putin wholeheartedly, or have things to lose back home, so they support him in the open
The second are the economic refugees, especially a lot of women who married Greeks
Greece was a convenient country to migrate to due to same religion, better climate and tourism industry that allows easier legal job hunting
Those will usually not support Putin, but they might still have family or things to lose back home, so they will not oppose him
Honestly i don't see a reason why people living outside their country are allowed to vote about something inside said country. It bolied my blood seeing how many polish emigrants voted for pis. Probably untrue, but i imagine some of them thinking "screw you, should have left, just like me"
Many people are abroad temporarily, many more left because of shitty governments. Most Hungarian expats voted against Fidesz, I’m super surprised that wasn’t the case with PiS. As we can see, most Russian expats also voted against Putin.
> that wasn’t the case with PiS
It absolutely was, pis is always losing abroad, apart from some particular places like Chicago. Maybe the guy you replied to meant that the number is too big or he didn't know?
Anyway, [here](https://wybory.gov.pl/sejmsenat2023/pl/sejm/wynik/pow/149900)'s the official link of results from abroad for last year's Polish elections. Pis got second place with 16.26% votes. They got 35.38% in total, so as you can see the difference is pretty huge.
There is an argument to be made for both letting people outside their country vote or not letting them. On the one hand you could say people living abroad are usually quite detached from the politics of the country they hold nationality of, since they live in a different country; so it would make sense to not let those people vote. On the other hand you could argue that those people should absolutely have the right to vote since they are, after all, citizens of their respective countries. There also is a lot of people living abroad for only shorter periods of time, think of international students or people on work visas. Denying them of their right to vote could be interpreted as undemocratic to some. I personally don’t think there is a ‘good’ or a ‘bad’ system here, it solely depends on someone’s interpretation to decide whether people living abroad should be able to vote or not since either way you would create a situation that would be considered problematic to one but not to someone else. Here in the case of Russia I don’t think it matters too much though, because it’s not like Russia has fair elections to begin with. Even if you go vote abroad as a protest, it wouldn’t change the outcome.
As long as they are not allowed to vote in their residence country, they need to be allowed to in their country of origin. Of course, many *are* allowed to vote in their adoptive country, so... the legislation is fucked up.
Well, it was 59% of approximately 1000 votes. They counted ~2200 voters exiting, which suggests that over half of the potential voters didnt vote. So the 59% is a bit misleading. Still high tho.
Edit: which suggests that over half didn't answer the reporters, since its an exit poll* And that can mean a lot of things.
We cannot be sure, 64% of Estonian Russians refused to answer. That speaks loud about their situation. But also leaves us in the dark of what really happens over there. This is the sadest number in this whole table :(
I expected it to be even lower tbh. Good way to start showing everyone that in Serbia, we don't support Putin, only a few vocal minorities do, but propaganda will do it's thing.
Wonder how many Serbian media will report this news. There's a crazy paradox in Serbia in that a large number of Serbians support Putin and actual Russians dont.
Yes. There’s a comfortable distance from Moscow while being at EU’s door step, the two benefits of Serbia most urbane Russians find irresistible.
Serbia is still an electoral autocracy and its democratic processes are constantly backsliding under a one-man rule of Vucic but most Russian emigres I’ve encountered in Serbia are content with life here and feel welcome and free to exercise their rights (to an extent a non-citizen can in a foreign country). There have been many anti-Putin and pro-Ukraine rallies in Serbia organised by Russian emigres since the start of the war and it’s estimated that some 200k Russians immigrated to Serbia in the past 2 years.
Why? Most of the Russians that come here are extremely liberal and educated, if we didn’t have a housing criss honestly I would like more of them to come. They could have migrated to Europe too if they had let them. A lot of liberal progressive Russians are suffering under Putins hand too and should be offered basic decency and asylum instead of Russophobia. They should be welcomed with open arms just like the Syrian refugees.
I agree. Russians fleeing Putin's regime should be welcomed and given a refugee status. That will drain Russia's man power and will save a lot of lives. Both in Russia and Ukraine.
Honestly, its great that they came here. Its a lot of educated, young people, who have skills. They will invest their money here, and maybe even stay beyond the war. Also, there are so many cool new places in Belgrade opened by them.
Also, an opportunity for some of our people to have a closer interaction with Russians, especially the anti-Putin ones. They also fit in quite well.
Yeah, the housing crisis is an issue, but to be fair they didnt cause it, they did make it a bit more difficult though.
Given the Russians I've hung around in Berlin, I'm kinda surprised it's 10%... When Wagner had turned around and started heading toward Moscow, it seemed like all of them had their heads buried in their phones and were pinging Telegram groups that were bordering on hysterical joy...
>When Wagner had turned around and started heading toward Moscow, it seemed like all of them had their heads buried in their phones and were pinging Telegram groups that were bordering on hysterical joy...
To be fair, a lot of people on r/noncredibledefense were doing the same. And nobody can accuse them of being pro-Russian
Idk, Ukrainian groups were also full of hysterical joy at that time, but more so laughing at the absurdity of the whole situation and happy for the chaos and pro-regime forces killing eachother. Maybe those Russians were reading something similar?
Wagner march made a lot of people happy because they though that this is the end of Putler's regime. His support inside Russia - real support - is somewhat similar to this chart.
That's why NOBODY stood in Prigozhin way on his march to Moscow. Well, other than Lukashenko who is not Russian.
Russia is by-the-book totalitarian regime where authority exists only because of heavily armed "riot police" and extensive "work" of "secret police". With XXI century toys like CCTV network paired with AI face recognition, bots monitoring every messenger and etc.
In Berlin 38% refused to respond, so there's surely a large error margin. Overall turnout seems to be extremely low considering \~280k eligible voters in DE, who could only vote in Berlin or Bonn, the only two remaining locations. Overall and considering the limitations, compared to 82% for Putin in 2018 (supported by busses carrying voters), this was not a "landslide win".
Surpising (to me) is Belgrad / Serbia with Putin 3% but a landslide win for Davankov.
You can be sure that those who refused to respond voted against Putin.
They are however afraid of being prosecuted if they say it in public.
Because such things DID happened.
There's no such thing as "no freaks" in ANY society. Take absolutely any country, and you'll figure it out.
Right now, I live in the Netherlands. One of the most progressive countries with an extremely high percentage of educated people. Also, they're very nice and friendly, so you get that picture( I guess i really like dutch people, hahaha). Yet even they have problems with freaks. It's just that a whole country is not controlled them and you understand that there're bad people everywhere.
I honestly don't understand how, with access to global news, you could ever think about voting for Putin. Seeing any place have votes of above 10% makes me sad.
I think that the most of russians in Turkey escaped their counrtry because of forced enlisting so they dont want to imprisoned and sent to frontline because of this they dont want putin
Also, source of wine that fuels 99% of Medvedev’s posts (which is not proven, but very likely, considering correlation between his shitposts and Italian wine shipments)
Lived in greece for a while. Unfortunately some "regular people" are for Putin and the current government and will have voted that way as well.
Not to mention that a lot of Greeks feel conflicted about the entire situation.
I can only speak for Italy, but yes we have a lot of Russian propaganda on TV. It's disgusting. People like Alessandro Orsini, Marco Travaglio, and Michele Santoro are on TV talk shows regularly spewing Kremlin propaganda. Why? I don't know, but many Italians are very much pro Russia. It makes me wanna vomit. Their Facebook and other social media profiles also have hundreds of thousands of followers. Funny thing, COVID anti vaxxers and pro Putin are practically the same group here in Italy.
Yes, here in Greece, not just TV channels, but a lot of political parties repeat Kremlin propaganda. Some of them are complete Russian proxies, and even those who CLAIM to have opposed the Russian invasion of Ukraine never say a single word against Putin as a tyrant and dictator.
Currently it's a relatively (very relatively) pro-western government in charge, but even they, the 2022 invasion of Ukraine is the first and only thing that they've ever opposed Putin on. The main opposition (SYRIZA) ridiculed and attacked the government for donating even a minuscule amount of weaponry to Ukraine.
Even in the pro-western governing party, and despite its currently relatively pro-western leading faction of Mitsotakis, there's still a strong pro-Russia strong minority led by a former PM (Karamanis) who's a complete Russia stooge, a guy who when Anna Poliltkosfkaya was murdered, made an official government announcement that he'd... wished Putin a happy birthday.
I beg your pardon?
These numbers represent the Russian citizens residing in GR and IT who voted for Putin. What in the world do Greece and Italy have to do with this mess?
Italian here. I would guess it's due to the fact that historically we have a lot of anti-EU propaganda going on among politicians (and it doesn't help that our actual Prime Minister was a supporter of an eventual departure from the EU and comes from a party and political line-up suspected of russian ties and financial support). So if Russians come here, they could find a lot of fertile ground for pro-Putin support.
We have two types of Russians, the ones that came after the fall of the USSR and the ones that are super rich and moved out here to maintain their wealth in a geopolitically safer country than Russia. Both are generally the types you'd expect to support Putin. As for Russian propaganda, there's that one schizo party, but despite the fact that it's in parliament, isn't a major political force
Lots of Putin supporters in Athens according to this poll. But the real question is: what about Sparta?
Sentiment might be different outside of Athens.
It is a dying hillbilly town full of peasants who think they are the ancestors of Leonidas just because they happened to be born in Sparta. Thats the only think they have left
As a Russian, guys do as all a favor and send these little Putin loving shits back home. If they like Putin so much, they should enjoy all the "benefits" of his reign right here
Take note that while Putin's support in Athenes is high actual number of Russians in Greece is not so high, like 14 000 people give or take. While in Germany it seems already is 3000000 russians. So 10% in Berlin is much higher number than 59% in Greece.
I wasn't expecting this, some people were telling that the russian masses were high elites of putin in turkey, the graph tells otherwise.
Tho im sceptical about antalya.
> Tho im sceptical about antalya.
Only 52 responders there, out of ~1300 voters counted, plus a footnote saying "local police forced volunteers to stop the survey early in the day."
The data is pretty much useless when there are so many people refusing to answer.
For example in exit poll Putin has 3% in Warsaw. In official vote he has 20%.
This is not only in Europe. Mathematicians have calculated the scale of fraud in Russia.
"About half of votes for Vladimir Putin were falsified, according to statistical analysis by Novaya Gazeta Europe"
[https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/03/18/about-half-of-votes-for-vladimir-putin-were-falsified-according-to-statistical-analysis-by-novaya-gazeta-europe](https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/03/18/about-half-of-votes-for-vladimir-putin-were-falsified-according-to-statistical-analysis-by-novaya-gazeta-europe)
Yes, It should be stated that this exit poll measures the vote of Russians expats who vote and participate in Russian elections from countries abroad. Im writing this because a lot of people here seem to misapprehend the essence of this title which to be fair sounds like it's kinda poorly written and confusing
Belgrade 3% because a lot of the Russians that migrated when the invasion began were anti putin and were running from the sanctions or military draft so they all flocked to one of the few countries to accept them, serbia
Well... I saw that many people try to, even if they don't want to do so, to blame the Greeks.
First of all, it's Russian voters, don't blame the country hosting them.
Secondly, Greeks historically have ties to Russians, yes, but that doesn't mean all of them support Putin personally. Most people generally like the Russians as a people, because of religious reasons mostly.
Don't forget people, that russians in diaspora can also be just as brainwashed as the russians in russia herself.
And we should theirfore be better and accept their choice, knowing that we know better about them and do fight them only with words, not with hate or discrimination, but with underdstanding and democratic values.
This isn't the official count - it's pollsters asking people leaving the embassies. This will still be *very* inaccurate, because there will be one hell of a lot of people assuming that the embassy might have a way to observe the answer and will just go "no comment" But it will be a poll bias, not the Russian embassy making up numbers wholesale.
Athens doesn't surprise me. The Russian secret police live large in Athens as there is no FBI or equivalent in Greece. You need to operate in a cold war/James Bond like mode when doing business in Athens.
Also, they have a golden visa program that grants citizenship for $200k in investment. The Russians love it on the med.
An Expanded, Simplified list for those having difficulties understanding the article: Percentage of votes in the Russian election **for Putin** by Russians **living abroad** : -🇳🇱Netherlands, The Hague. 2% -🇵🇱Poland, Warsaw. 3% -🇷🇸Serbia, Belgrade. 3% -🇲🇪Montenegro, Podgorica. 3% -🇱🇹Lithuania, Vilnius. 4% -🇨🇿Czechia, Prague. 4% -🇹🇷Turkyie, Istanbul. 5% -🇬🇧United Kingdom, London. 6% -🇦🇹Austria, Vienna. 7% -🇮🇪Ireland, Dublin. 7% -🇸🇰Slovakia, Bratislava. 7% -🇦🇲Armenia, Yerevan. 8% -🇩🇰Denmark, Copenhagen. 8% -🇪🇪Estonia, Tallinn. 8% -🇰🇿Kazakhstan, Almaty. 9% -🇵🇹Portugal, Lisbon. 9% -🇩🇪Germany, Berlin. 10% -🇫🇮Finland, Helsinki. 10% -🇪🇦Spain, Madrid. 11% -🇫🇷France, Paris. 11% -🇳🇿New Zealand, Wellington 11% -🇱🇺Luxembourg. 13% -🇧🇻Norway, Oslo. 13% -🇭🇺Hungary, Budapest. 14% -🇭🇷Croatia, Zagreb. 14% -🇸🇪Sweden, Stockholm. 14% -🇨🇦Canada, Toronto. 15% -🇺🇸USA, New York. 15% -🇨🇭Switzerland, Bern. 16% -🇯🇵Japan, Tokyo. 16% -🇮🇱Israel, Tel-Aviv. 16% -🇦🇺Australia, Sydney. 18% -🇨🇾Cyprus, Nicosia. 22% -🇧🇪Belgium, Brussels. 23% -🇲🇩Moldova, Chisinau. 25% -🇮🇹Italy, Rome. 38% -🇬🇷Greece, Athens 59%
Brussels 23%, what the fuck.
Diplomatic workers and old emigrés that haven’t been to Russia in 458 years, but reaaallly love it (from a safe distance)
Like those Erdogan fanboys in Germany
No worries there are enough of the same type as a russian variant. I know a family of „Russlanddeutsche“, don’t know the English term, anyway descendants of German settlers that went to Russia back in the days. These guys came „back“ to Germany after the Soviet Union fell apart, they all have a very good life here and haven’t been living in Russia ever since but oh boy is everything Putin or the russian media is saying absolutely correct and German or more general western media are all lying. They even believe Putin when he said in the recent „interview“ that he has no interest in the Baltic states while it’s pretty obvious to most people now that weren’t they part of NATO they‘d be pretty surely gone by now (once again). They are all very nice people but they are complete morons regarding these topics.
We should ship them over back to their *favourite* country one of these days
"Patriotism from a Safe Distance"
Lots of spies and traitors ehhh sorry diplomats
There are around 12000 Russians in Belgium, i guess 2700 of them are diplomats.
And many of them likely double as spies.
Right, what the fuck?
Armenia and turkey surprised me. Was expecting much higher from both. Also serbia? Is serbia for real?
A lot of opposition moved to turkey, dont know about armenia
I believe Armenia and Georgia also took in a lot of dissident Russians.
And Georgia doesn't have diplomatic relations with Russia, so the Russians from Georgia had to travel (mostly to Yerevan from Tbilisi and maybe Turkey from Batumi) to vote.
This is true, a very lot of them
Similar.
Armenians are way more against Russia than you think,we are just careful (also we have some shitty opposition).
i understand that about armenians, but what about russians in armenia
after mobilization they came to armenia
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Do russian citizens living in armenia share the same sentiment?
yes
Serbia was among few countries in Europe who accepted Russians after war started. And those who left Russia when war started are anti Putin, mostly middle class, working in IT, and also many IT businesses with their workforce and families moved to Serbia because they couldn't have payments with the West from Russia because of the sanctions. I also met many Russians here in Serbia, and they never hide it they were against Putin.
Turkey, Armenia, Serbia are all countries where Russians can get visa on the border and therefore huge number of ppl relocated there when the war begun. Greece is probably have a lot of very religious orthodox Russians settled there for many years. They tend to support the "Great Russia".
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Also strong ties and loyalty to the Orthodox church. Russia continues to fund those that support the church and also uses it as part of its international spy network. https://www.barrons.com/news/sweden-cuts-support-for-russian-church-after-intelligence-warnings-5b8eeaaa https://ecfr.eu/article/propaganda-in-holy-orders-africa-ukraine-and-the-russian-orthodox-church/
The Russians that came to Armenia are extremely liberal (Thank God). They stand out because locals in Yerevan mostly wear all black, and the Russians are dressed like hippies.
I’m one of russians who left Russia and stayed in Serbia for a while. I’m surprised that putin have 3% there - I thought it shouldn’t be more then 1%. After war in Ukraine started, a lot of people like me, who is opposed to putin, a lot of IT workers, a lot of young people (20y-40y) mostly from Moscow and Saint-Petersburg left Russia. There was around a million like me who left. And there not a lot of places where we can go - only some ex-USSR counties like Armenia and Georgia (with some additions), some ex-Ugoslavia countries like Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia, and Turkey because of “neutral”-position. And Israel, because some of those people have Israel passport. (Also, I forgot to mention ex-USSR *-stan republics like Uzbekistan, but there is just few hundreds thousands there). People who I personally knew before 2022, I know at least 20 people who are in Turkey now (mostly Istanbul, Antalya, Kash and Fethie), around 150 people in Serbia and Montenegro, around 20 people in Armenia. And this is not political activists - this is regular people, ex-coworkers, friends from universities, etc. and yes NOBODY of them likes putin.
Yeah, I've meet quite a few of you when I was traveling around the Stans, Caucasus and Turkey. I really hope one day Putin is gone and you can happily come back back to your country and build a new and better Russia. You all deserve it.
Thank you. Well, honestly, I’m not want to return. I already sold my apartment in Russia and trying to settle in Barcelona. That’s warm here 😃! The reason is that in Russia is still enough people like me, who do not like putin, but there are more (very, very more) of putin supporters still there. And there are more of them. Not 87%, but strictly more than 50%, I’m sure. I do not to be a minority in aggressive majority, which thinks they are superior nation and hates anything “which related to the West”. The only regret is my parents can’t leave Russia with me because they do not have enough money to live here and I’m not rich enough to support them here. Only to buy them tickets to arrive once a year.
Interesting insight, thanks for posting.
I’m sorry you’re separated from your family
A lot of people relocated to Serbia because its quite easy to get residency permit and live there without needs of visa run to neighboring countries. I have 3 friends from Russia who moved to Serbia
Many russians that dont like Putin moved to Serbia last 2 years, those 3% are probably those who work for embassy and russians who already lived there from before the war.
Serbia is very much for real as most of the Russians here used the good relations that Serbia has with Russia to escape Putin
These are the countries where dissident middle class can go without a visa. I am not surprised as EU is about to almost ban Russians (almost indiscriminately).
I don’t understand why we would ban Russians coming to Europe fleeing from Russia. They are mostly educated, middle class people and gonna be a valuable asset. They already are close to use culturally and all children of Russian immigrants I know are perfectly integrated.
Because the people thinking that are literally retarded. There’s absolutely zero reason to do it other than out of anger and emotions
The EU is about to indiscriminately ban Russians? Eh?
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It's already hard to get a Schengen visa. In Turkey even my half-Russian friends (that were born and raised in TR) get immediately denied a visa once the offices sees their parent's Russian name in the submitted family register.
Yep, most of the Russians fleding to Serbia are young and firmly anti-Putin.
Yes, is for real. All the Russians I've met since the invasion (and there's a lot of them in Belgrade) have run away from the war and are anti Putin. So yeah, not surprised with the results
We (Istanbul) had a sudden boom in Russian immigrant population when the war started. These are people who're actively running away from p*tin
Take that FINLAND!!!
r/NLvsFI
What a suckerpunch first thing in the morning. We'll get you on the next one.
So Putin averages around 10% support internationally, but somehow wins almost 90% of the vote domestically? I understand there is a margin of error as anti-Putin Russians are more likely to leave Russia, but normally these international voting statistics don't differ too radically from how people vote domestically. In this case, it appears to be night and day. Of course we know the election is a farce, but still funny to observe. It should be noted too that this was the first election in Russia that allowed "online voting" to be used instead of live location voting. Which obviously makes producing a ton of bot votes easier for the Kremlin.
Well it's a combination of the fact that Russian propaganda on its citizens is actually so massive that a big chunk of people actually do idolize, or at the very least like/don't mind Putin, the fact that the majority of Russian being abroad most likely left because of Putin in the first place, and then yeha sure a little bit of rigging is sure to have happened here and there too
I’d assume people are more willing to vote against a tyrant from the comfort of a different country as well
That was fake election. Result doesn't represent real votes.
When Gestapo officer asks you, "Do you love our dear furher?", what do you reply? That, and all of the government employees - teachers, doctors, policemen, soldiers (even dead ones) - were ordered to vote for Putler. Under threat of termination (both from job and being sent to the front line) with requirement of making a photo proof of "vote". I doubt however that anybody even counted these "votes". They just announced the number that Putler told them to announce. That's it.
> Do you love our dear furher?", what do you reply? As much as you do, sir!
He doesn't get 90% in Russia. The real numbers are most likely around 45-50% (there are calculations using some mathematical model going on, not sure how true, but they seem legit), and that's including people literally forced to vote for him. He'd probably still win a real election (well, if the candidates were still the same guys), but it would be far from a landslide.
Keep in mind - this is votes among Russians that left their county. This is not votes by locals. That explains percentage from Serbia for example
Does this mean Putin will try to annex Greece?
Armenia, Kazakhstan, Turkey, I know about your position but definitely surprised 👍
Its because this where Russians who are against the War went. And to Serbia and to Georgia. Something about \~2 milliones of for the most part IT professionals and their spouses and kids. Armenia had double digit economical growth because of the.
Man, Almaty became large hub for Russians fleeing from mobilization and stuff. Easy to get into, easy to settle down speaking Russian only and easy to remain connected to the world.
Is there a reason Latvia is not on the list? Russian trolls on tt are saying that there was huge support for Putin there
Russian citizens in Latvia apparently had a 2% turnout (or less than 1000 people total) so it was probably too small for any data
Wtf Belgium?
*Vilnius
So much of Serbia hiding the most Russian supporters, this is the clear image of people who fled from something they don’t support and agree with to (unfortunately) another authoritarian regime. This is the downside of sanctions, however scrupulous this may seem to you, but sanctions close in the people and expose them to 200% more propaganda and misinformation thus we will have more supporters of the wrong in the future.
lmao, all of these have higher % of putin lovers compared to lambasted Serbia
Those are EXIT polls, putin regime says 75% voted for him in Estonia.. It's impossible to tell the actual number.
Greece, that paradise for the Russian parias.
I want to note that there are many Russians who left the USSR when it fell and came to Greece. Most of the ones I've met are very very patriotic about Russia and support putin fanatically. They had children here and teach the same beliefs to them. Their children in many cases have both a Greek and a Russian passport so they can vote both in russian and in greek elections.
Gotta love people who hate a place so much they leave it permanently - but still insist on it being the greatest place on earth.
And then they vote against the interests of all the poor fuckers who didn't get to escape. Left for me, right for thee!
> but still insist on it being the greatest place on earth. Come to the West for jobs and opportunity, but still believe the Motherland is the best thing since sliced bread because it is based and traditional. Posted from my flat in [Western city].
This behaviour also exists in the following generations, where it is even stupider. Such people are born and raised here, share a language and citizenship with us, live among us, but still they have contempt for our culture and feel superior to us. Call us racist, too soft and decadent all day long, will define themselves by their "other" culture before their western culture, but still won't **ever** move "back to the old country". Because of course they know life sucks over there.
Well known fact about immigrants is that they stay in the country of origin's mindset at the moment they left. Kinda stuck in time. In the meantime the country of origin also continues to change, so if they go back after say 20 or 30 years they don't recognize it anymore. Part of the tragedy of immigrants if they don't integrate in the new country is that they don't belong anywhere anymore.
That's a very common mental issue among immigrants
turks in germany be like
Turks in Germany be like
It's the same for Pakistanis here. The first generations aren't the problem, they come for a better life, it's the future generations that are the problem. They resent the natives around them.
Yeah, it's usually those who haven't been in mother russia long time and haven't enjoyed constitutional rights that it "guarantees".
Time to remove their Greek passports and charter a flight to Moscow?
Greek here, but was born in Russia There are two kinds of Russian immigrants/expats The first is the rich kind that profited from everything wrong with that country, those either support Putin wholeheartedly, or have things to lose back home, so they support him in the open The second are the economic refugees, especially a lot of women who married Greeks Greece was a convenient country to migrate to due to same religion, better climate and tourism industry that allows easier legal job hunting Those will usually not support Putin, but they might still have family or things to lose back home, so they will not oppose him
While I know it's the wrong thing to do a part of me really wants to support moving Putin supporters home, closer to Putin.
Why would it be the wrong thing to do? If hes so great at leading the country they should go live in russia
Oh but when I say that in Germany to All the Turks who vote for Erdogan I am the racist....
Thay are cunts.
Honestly i don't see a reason why people living outside their country are allowed to vote about something inside said country. It bolied my blood seeing how many polish emigrants voted for pis. Probably untrue, but i imagine some of them thinking "screw you, should have left, just like me"
Many people are abroad temporarily, many more left because of shitty governments. Most Hungarian expats voted against Fidesz, I’m super surprised that wasn’t the case with PiS. As we can see, most Russian expats also voted against Putin.
> that wasn’t the case with PiS It absolutely was, pis is always losing abroad, apart from some particular places like Chicago. Maybe the guy you replied to meant that the number is too big or he didn't know? Anyway, [here](https://wybory.gov.pl/sejmsenat2023/pl/sejm/wynik/pow/149900)'s the official link of results from abroad for last year's Polish elections. Pis got second place with 16.26% votes. They got 35.38% in total, so as you can see the difference is pretty huge.
There is an argument to be made for both letting people outside their country vote or not letting them. On the one hand you could say people living abroad are usually quite detached from the politics of the country they hold nationality of, since they live in a different country; so it would make sense to not let those people vote. On the other hand you could argue that those people should absolutely have the right to vote since they are, after all, citizens of their respective countries. There also is a lot of people living abroad for only shorter periods of time, think of international students or people on work visas. Denying them of their right to vote could be interpreted as undemocratic to some. I personally don’t think there is a ‘good’ or a ‘bad’ system here, it solely depends on someone’s interpretation to decide whether people living abroad should be able to vote or not since either way you would create a situation that would be considered problematic to one but not to someone else. Here in the case of Russia I don’t think it matters too much though, because it’s not like Russia has fair elections to begin with. Even if you go vote abroad as a protest, it wouldn’t change the outcome.
As long as they are not allowed to vote in their residence country, they need to be allowed to in their country of origin. Of course, many *are* allowed to vote in their adoptive country, so... the legislation is fucked up.
If they are citizens, the laws still affect them.
Well, it was 59% of approximately 1000 votes. They counted ~2200 voters exiting, which suggests that over half of the potential voters didnt vote. So the 59% is a bit misleading. Still high tho. Edit: which suggests that over half didn't answer the reporters, since its an exit poll* And that can mean a lot of things.
We cannot be sure, 64% of Estonian Russians refused to answer. That speaks loud about their situation. But also leaves us in the dark of what really happens over there. This is the sadest number in this whole table :(
Yes, but have you heard of Cyprus?
Serbia and Poland letsgo brothers! NUMBA ONE
I expected it to be even lower tbh. Good way to start showing everyone that in Serbia, we don't support Putin, only a few vocal minorities do, but propaganda will do it's thing.
Wonder how many Serbian media will report this news. There's a crazy paradox in Serbia in that a large number of Serbians support Putin and actual Russians dont.
I'm really surprised at the Serbian results to be honest.
Serbia is one of the main destinations for Russians fleeing the draft. You can expect them being mainly anti-putin
Yes. There’s a comfortable distance from Moscow while being at EU’s door step, the two benefits of Serbia most urbane Russians find irresistible. Serbia is still an electoral autocracy and its democratic processes are constantly backsliding under a one-man rule of Vucic but most Russian emigres I’ve encountered in Serbia are content with life here and feel welcome and free to exercise their rights (to an extent a non-citizen can in a foreign country). There have been many anti-Putin and pro-Ukraine rallies in Serbia organised by Russian emigres since the start of the war and it’s estimated that some 200k Russians immigrated to Serbia in the past 2 years.
Why? Most of the Russians that come here are extremely liberal and educated, if we didn’t have a housing criss honestly I would like more of them to come. They could have migrated to Europe too if they had let them. A lot of liberal progressive Russians are suffering under Putins hand too and should be offered basic decency and asylum instead of Russophobia. They should be welcomed with open arms just like the Syrian refugees.
I agree. Russians fleeing Putin's regime should be welcomed and given a refugee status. That will drain Russia's man power and will save a lot of lives. Both in Russia and Ukraine.
Honestly, its great that they came here. Its a lot of educated, young people, who have skills. They will invest their money here, and maybe even stay beyond the war. Also, there are so many cool new places in Belgrade opened by them. Also, an opportunity for some of our people to have a closer interaction with Russians, especially the anti-Putin ones. They also fit in quite well. Yeah, the housing crisis is an issue, but to be fair they didnt cause it, they did make it a bit more difficult though.
I thought it would be even lower, tbh.
Honestly, Im impressed
The fact that Berlin is only 10% gives me some amount of hope. Edit: Tel aviv and London are also ok
Given the Russians I've hung around in Berlin, I'm kinda surprised it's 10%... When Wagner had turned around and started heading toward Moscow, it seemed like all of them had their heads buried in their phones and were pinging Telegram groups that were bordering on hysterical joy...
>When Wagner had turned around and started heading toward Moscow, it seemed like all of them had their heads buried in their phones and were pinging Telegram groups that were bordering on hysterical joy... To be fair, a lot of people on r/noncredibledefense were doing the same. And nobody can accuse them of being pro-Russian
That was a good day on Reddit .
Idk, Ukrainian groups were also full of hysterical joy at that time, but more so laughing at the absurdity of the whole situation and happy for the chaos and pro-regime forces killing eachother. Maybe those Russians were reading something similar?
Yup, thats exactly the one russian girl I know here.
Wagner march made a lot of people happy because they though that this is the end of Putler's regime. His support inside Russia - real support - is somewhat similar to this chart. That's why NOBODY stood in Prigozhin way on his march to Moscow. Well, other than Lukashenko who is not Russian. Russia is by-the-book totalitarian regime where authority exists only because of heavily armed "riot police" and extensive "work" of "secret police". With XXI century toys like CCTV network paired with AI face recognition, bots monitoring every messenger and etc.
In Berlin 38% refused to respond, so there's surely a large error margin. Overall turnout seems to be extremely low considering \~280k eligible voters in DE, who could only vote in Berlin or Bonn, the only two remaining locations. Overall and considering the limitations, compared to 82% for Putin in 2018 (supported by busses carrying voters), this was not a "landslide win". Surpising (to me) is Belgrad / Serbia with Putin 3% but a landslide win for Davankov.
You can be sure that those who refused to respond voted against Putin. They are however afraid of being prosecuted if they say it in public. Because such things DID happened.
The waiting time in the line for voting was around 8-9 hours. Thousands didn’t get the chance to vote because the embassy closed at 8pm!
We got the best russians. 🫡
And you are the best hosts we could wish for.
Unexpected wholesomeness ❤️ I want to cry
This thread warms my heart ❤️
Imagine being a russian living in Poland, you just went to vote and some Polish dude asks you who you voted for. 😂
And if you voted for Putin, then the Polish dude replies with: "So, you chose deportation to Mordor!".
Well you have to precise it. There's already Mordor in Warsaw.
Famous Domaniewska street
Especially when it's a nice looking guy with bald head and adidas tracksuit
Hey, the cut is hygienic and the suit is comfy!
Why would a Polish dude ask if the exit polls were organized by Russians?
I’m sure everyone feels free and safe to express their honest opinion on this topic.
I will find and eat all 3% of Putin supporters in Warsaw
Hey, I wouldn't recommend that as they're full of shit hahaha. Anyways, 3% is a really low percentage. That's nice, honestly.
Still bigger than 0%....
There's no such thing as "no freaks" in ANY society. Take absolutely any country, and you'll figure it out. Right now, I live in the Netherlands. One of the most progressive countries with an extremely high percentage of educated people. Also, they're very nice and friendly, so you get that picture( I guess i really like dutch people, hahaha). Yet even they have problems with freaks. It's just that a whole country is not controlled them and you understand that there're bad people everywhere.
You never get 0%, at least because there is some embassy employees.
Everyone voting for Putin should go back to Russia.
Should be deported back to Russia, everyone knows they won't go back otherwise.
I’m agree 146%. As Russian living in Spain. But it should be smart law, not just “let’s ban all russins”
>146% What a coincidence, that's the percentage of people that voted for Putin in Russia.
Truly, what a coincidence!
say the same for turks and erdogan
Really proud of the Russians in Poland.
I believe it's even lower in Wrocław
I expected Putin to lose in Poland but not by such large margin. I'm positively surprised.
That's just unfair. Send them fcking back, let them feel what they've chosen instead of me
Well, I don’t think that their votes made any difference whatsoever, but yeah
I honestly don't understand how, with access to global news, you could ever think about voting for Putin. Seeing any place have votes of above 10% makes me sad.
Istanbul 5%, Berlin 10%, Athens 59%... Although Turkey is now full of Russians (more than usual).
I think that the most of russians in Turkey escaped their counrtry because of forced enlisting so they dont want to imprisoned and sent to frontline because of this they dont want putin
lol, I remember getting heavily downvoted on this subreddit for saying not all Russians support Putin or the war
Greece, Italy, WTF? What is going one there, is the Russian propaganda running your TV channels?
My guess is, a lot of rich Russians usually are in Italy and Greece, therefore, out of touch
Italy is the country of rich Russian wives. Their husbands work hard in Russia, destroying it with Putin.
Also, source of wine that fuels 99% of Medvedev’s posts (which is not proven, but very likely, considering correlation between his shitposts and Italian wine shipments)
Most Russians in the UK have loads of money
Lived in greece for a while. Unfortunately some "regular people" are for Putin and the current government and will have voted that way as well. Not to mention that a lot of Greeks feel conflicted about the entire situation.
This is not about Greeks or Italians, but Russians living there. Learn to read.
I can only speak for Italy, but yes we have a lot of Russian propaganda on TV. It's disgusting. People like Alessandro Orsini, Marco Travaglio, and Michele Santoro are on TV talk shows regularly spewing Kremlin propaganda. Why? I don't know, but many Italians are very much pro Russia. It makes me wanna vomit. Their Facebook and other social media profiles also have hundreds of thousands of followers. Funny thing, COVID anti vaxxers and pro Putin are practically the same group here in Italy.
My connational, it's basically the same thing in most of the West. Uberreligious ultraconservatives who don't believe science are, mostly, vatniks.
Yes, here in Greece, not just TV channels, but a lot of political parties repeat Kremlin propaganda. Some of them are complete Russian proxies, and even those who CLAIM to have opposed the Russian invasion of Ukraine never say a single word against Putin as a tyrant and dictator. Currently it's a relatively (very relatively) pro-western government in charge, but even they, the 2022 invasion of Ukraine is the first and only thing that they've ever opposed Putin on. The main opposition (SYRIZA) ridiculed and attacked the government for donating even a minuscule amount of weaponry to Ukraine. Even in the pro-western governing party, and despite its currently relatively pro-western leading faction of Mitsotakis, there's still a strong pro-Russia strong minority led by a former PM (Karamanis) who's a complete Russia stooge, a guy who when Anna Poliltkosfkaya was murdered, made an official government announcement that he'd... wished Putin a happy birthday.
Ehmmm, it's the vote of Russian expats not Greeks or Italians..
It's amazing that some people apparently think that Italians or Greeks vote in Russian elections
I beg your pardon? These numbers represent the Russian citizens residing in GR and IT who voted for Putin. What in the world do Greece and Italy have to do with this mess?
Some members of the current Italian government are open sympathizers of Putin (eg Salvini)
"Among Russians in Europe" READ
Italian here. I would guess it's due to the fact that historically we have a lot of anti-EU propaganda going on among politicians (and it doesn't help that our actual Prime Minister was a supporter of an eventual departure from the EU and comes from a party and political line-up suspected of russian ties and financial support). So if Russians come here, they could find a lot of fertile ground for pro-Putin support.
We have two types of Russians, the ones that came after the fall of the USSR and the ones that are super rich and moved out here to maintain their wealth in a geopolitically safer country than Russia. Both are generally the types you'd expect to support Putin. As for Russian propaganda, there's that one schizo party, but despite the fact that it's in parliament, isn't a major political force
Lots of Putin supporters in Athens according to this poll. But the real question is: what about Sparta? Sentiment might be different outside of Athens.
Sparta is full of far right ultranationalists so there it will be much worse most probably
Isn't Sparta just an oversized village these days?
It is a dying hillbilly town full of peasants who think they are the ancestors of Leonidas just because they happened to be born in Sparta. Thats the only think they have left
>who think they are the ancestors of Leonidas Everyone gets what you're saying and I hate to be that guy, but it's descendants, not ancestors
Sparta is nowhere near the biggest cities in Greece, it isn't the 400s BC anymore
As a Russian, guys do as all a favor and send these little Putin loving shits back home. If they like Putin so much, they should enjoy all the "benefits" of his reign right here
Interesting how so many people in the comments think these are...local European citizens voting in a *Russian* 'election'. Like, how?
Respect to that 94% of London Russians. Happy to have you here.
Take note that while Putin's support in Athenes is high actual number of Russians in Greece is not so high, like 14 000 people give or take. While in Germany it seems already is 3000000 russians. So 10% in Berlin is much higher number than 59% in Greece.
Exactly, thanks for the post.
Yet Russian Embassy in Armenia reported that 59% of the votes from Yerevan consulate went to Putin. round(0.08) = 0.59 lol
I wasn't expecting this, some people were telling that the russian masses were high elites of putin in turkey, the graph tells otherwise. Tho im sceptical about antalya.
> Tho im sceptical about antalya. Only 52 responders there, out of ~1300 voters counted, plus a footnote saying "local police forced volunteers to stop the survey early in the day."
I mean if you are pro Putin living in Poland you should be deported.
I'll do you one better, in Europe
Belgrade and Athen impressed me.
The data is pretty much useless when there are so many people refusing to answer. For example in exit poll Putin has 3% in Warsaw. In official vote he has 20%.
This is not only in Europe. Mathematicians have calculated the scale of fraud in Russia. "About half of votes for Vladimir Putin were falsified, according to statistical analysis by Novaya Gazeta Europe" [https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/03/18/about-half-of-votes-for-vladimir-putin-were-falsified-according-to-statistical-analysis-by-novaya-gazeta-europe](https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/03/18/about-half-of-votes-for-vladimir-putin-were-falsified-according-to-statistical-analysis-by-novaya-gazeta-europe)
Wtf Greece? Wtf Rome?
Yes, It should be stated that this exit poll measures the vote of Russians expats who vote and participate in Russian elections from countries abroad. Im writing this because a lot of people here seem to misapprehend the essence of this title which to be fair sounds like it's kinda poorly written and confusing
3% in a Belgrade.
Belgrade 3% because a lot of the Russians that migrated when the invasion began were anti putin and were running from the sanctions or military draft so they all flocked to one of the few countries to accept them, serbia
There’s a video now on r/israel of a massive line of Russians waiting in line to vote against him👍👍🤣
The difference between ex-pats supporting Putin in Greece vs Serbia is interesting.
Well... I saw that many people try to, even if they don't want to do so, to blame the Greeks. First of all, it's Russian voters, don't blame the country hosting them. Secondly, Greeks historically have ties to Russians, yes, but that doesn't mean all of them support Putin personally. Most people generally like the Russians as a people, because of religious reasons mostly.
wasn't expecting this many people not expecting low results for putin in foreign countries. are you dumb?
They have convinced each other that 99 percent of Russians are admirers of putin, now they are having a dissonance, poor guys
Don't forget people, that russians in diaspora can also be just as brainwashed as the russians in russia herself. And we should theirfore be better and accept their choice, knowing that we know better about them and do fight them only with words, not with hate or discrimination, but with underdstanding and democratic values.
Why do people assume the votes in embassies to be legitimate when they assume the votes across Russia to be illegitimate? What's the difference?
This isn't the official count - it's pollsters asking people leaving the embassies. This will still be *very* inaccurate, because there will be one hell of a lot of people assuming that the embassy might have a way to observe the answer and will just go "no comment" But it will be a poll bias, not the Russian embassy making up numbers wholesale.
They should be deported to Russia, if they like so much this maniac.
Athens doesn't surprise me. The Russian secret police live large in Athens as there is no FBI or equivalent in Greece. You need to operate in a cold war/James Bond like mode when doing business in Athens. Also, they have a golden visa program that grants citizenship for $200k in investment. The Russians love it on the med.