I remember reading somewhere that if *all* ice were to melt, average maximum rise would be around 77m. That's still disastrous but I just thought it was worth sharing.
Just a ~~dozen inches~~, *cough* I mean 30 *centimeters* - is destroying tons of housing in coastal cities, causing widespread damage that is draining working families financial security.
There's a whatsapp group for scientists, journalist, nonprofit leaders & a few activists in Miami called "Miami =/= Atlantis"
The point is that the city doesn't have to be totally underwater to be destroyed, and we have to get rid of that visual to take this seriously.
A few inches of standing water in a house is terrible when you really appreciate all the mold & bacteria
65.8 meters to be precise.
That's based on 2.8 million cubic kilometers of ice on the Greenland icesheet, and the Antarctic Ice Sheet contains about 26.5 million cubic kilometers.
Whilst Climate Change needs addressing, thankfully modelling suggests that even an increase of +10°c still wouldn't fully melt the icecaps just due to their sheer size and the fact the Earths rotation keeps both respective poles in complete darkness for 6 months of the year. There are also additional natural processes like cloud formation and ocean currents that help regulate temperatures, acting as buffers against extreme warming.
That's not to say such warming wouldn't be catastrophic for dozens of other reasons, however the great rising scenario isn't likely nor will it ever be... even pushing to 20°c which would wipe out most life on Earth, probably still isn't enough to completely melt the poles.
Edit: for reference, scientists believe that there were ice caps during the Mesozoic era which was 14°c hotter than the global average today.
[https://www.esa.int/ESA\_Multimedia/Images/2020/09/Causes\_of\_sea-level\_rise](https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2020/09/Causes_of_sea-level_rise)
12% others, 43% thermal, 45% ice
Would have expected that greenland and antartica would contribute more than just a bit over 50%. when looking at the ice factor.
There is a physical limit, there is only so much water on earth, but it may increase or decrease at certain times or locations because of the tides, weather, etc,.
But yes, maybe I could have worded it better.
They are below sealevel now. There are Limits to what human can do, and I'd assume that a >100m high wall strong enough to hold back the sea might be just that
I was looking at Norway thinking they've only lost like 5% of their territory around the edges. Then it also occured to me that's the 5% where almost everyone lives.
That’s where the map is clearly wrong. First of all the blue patch needs to be a lot smaller as the elevation of Budapest is ca. 102 meters above see level. But most shockingly how there is no sea or at least a lagoon alongside the Danube when it flows further down towards Serbia and the Romania. Hungarian geo nerd out.
This makes no sense lol :D how does the sea just appear in the middle of hungary? :D i guess they just converted everything below current sea level+100m into blue. Also some of europe is already below sea level but is not covered in water
The lowest altitude of the Danube basin near Budapest is 90 meters, so this is plausible.
https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-ljd57/Danube/
It also means the map is very incomplete. Lots of river valleys would get flooded.
You know Pandemic, the board game? There is a version where the Dutch fight the water. You lose if you don't have water stones left to flood the next area, you win if you build 4 of our important systems to keep water out.
Considering they're Dutch, they'll likely hang out near spain and be obnoxious drunk neighbors. lol
Also, they'll have a crazy increase in power generation considering how many households have solar panels in the netherlands.
While we're at it, we'll float to a place with more sunshine and conduct trade between countries along the way while turning the old Netherlands into New Rotterdam.
I like this plan.
The higest point of the Netherlands is actually only like 10 meters away from the three country corner (dutch, belgium, germany). South Limburg will probably be the only area left of the Netherlands.
That also puts into perspective how much of germany is missing. I think the top is the harz mountain range which looks like current Schleswig-Holstein but is way way further down
As a Swede I consider this a win. Sure my home would be gone, but the problem (Denmark) would be totally gone. Worthwhile tradeoff that I’m willing to sacrifice my hometown for.
Monkey's Paw 🐒🐾:
The Danish refugees all end up in Finland and make an even more unintelligible new Finnish-Danish language that is 9001% more unbearable to hear by Norwegian and Swedish speakers.
[;} 🃏🖖](https://youtu.be/s-mOy8VUEBk?feature=shared)
Will you guys at least learn norwegian? Please? Ive had two danish doctors and had to bring a translator every time i went to them 😭
Edit: also bring beer!!
I mean, after forcing Norwegians to speak Danish for hundreds of years, seems the least we could do is speak Norwegian if you let us stay at your place after the flood comes. And beer is all we'll be packing, don't worry!
Sweden and Denmark has fought more wars than any other combination of countries in the worlds history. The trick is just to stick a giant sea in the middle so the rising sea levels might very well help with that.
You're joking but that joke has so much thought put into it that it's apparently [worth a Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_European_Enclosure_Dam).
The whole central belt would be under water. Like most of the population of Scotland would be under water. There’d be millions moving to the highlands living in tents. It’s kinda funny to think about
Luckily I already live in a hilly area of Scotland
If the river don't go above 100m from current sea level, 100m rise of sea level would turn the flow of rivers to inland, and flood areas in there.
If it goes above 100m, this wouldn't happen.
Edit: And any valley or land areas that are below that 100m could also turn to seas or rivers.
I recently found out that UK was actually connected to the rest of Europe by a land bridge, until as recently as 6,000 BCE. That's completely wild to me for some reason.
I remember reading somewhere that if *all* ice were to melt, average maximum rise would be around 77m. That's still disastrous but I just thought it was worth sharing.
We can buy extra ice from the aliens.
Or drop an ice cube into the ocean once a year, thus solving the problem once and for all!
ONCE AND FOR ALL!
ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Like daddy puts in his drink every morning. Then he gets mad.
ANUALLY!
Futurama, i assume :D
Just like daddy does with his drink! Then he gets mad...
Nice, my house would be 230m from the new beach. 🌞😎
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Is it you Aquaman?
Beach trip!!!⛱️
I also took /u/Smart_Run8818's message as invitation! RemindMe! 100 years
Yes, with added volume due to ice melt. There is scope for further increase due to thermal expansion but 30m is extreme.
Just a ~~dozen inches~~, *cough* I mean 30 *centimeters* - is destroying tons of housing in coastal cities, causing widespread damage that is draining working families financial security. There's a whatsapp group for scientists, journalist, nonprofit leaders & a few activists in Miami called "Miami =/= Atlantis" The point is that the city doesn't have to be totally underwater to be destroyed, and we have to get rid of that visual to take this seriously. A few inches of standing water in a house is terrible when you really appreciate all the mold & bacteria
65.8 meters to be precise. That's based on 2.8 million cubic kilometers of ice on the Greenland icesheet, and the Antarctic Ice Sheet contains about 26.5 million cubic kilometers.
Yeah. If south pole melts then we will have big problems.
Whilst Climate Change needs addressing, thankfully modelling suggests that even an increase of +10°c still wouldn't fully melt the icecaps just due to their sheer size and the fact the Earths rotation keeps both respective poles in complete darkness for 6 months of the year. There are also additional natural processes like cloud formation and ocean currents that help regulate temperatures, acting as buffers against extreme warming. That's not to say such warming wouldn't be catastrophic for dozens of other reasons, however the great rising scenario isn't likely nor will it ever be... even pushing to 20°c which would wipe out most life on Earth, probably still isn't enough to completely melt the poles. Edit: for reference, scientists believe that there were ice caps during the Mesozoic era which was 14°c hotter than the global average today.
People forget that thermal expansion of the sea is a major contributor to sea level rise.
[https://www.esa.int/ESA\_Multimedia/Images/2020/09/Causes\_of\_sea-level\_rise](https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2020/09/Causes_of_sea-level_rise) 12% others, 43% thermal, 45% ice Would have expected that greenland and antartica would contribute more than just a bit over 50%. when looking at the ice factor.
Maybe the 'others' are the freemen with their hidden reserves
for detail map: https://www.floodmap.net/ ya my town is gone at 77m, my house is ok to 40m though, beach house yay..... until it isn't
Lol, when setting flood to 0 meters, half of the Netherlands is still gone haha.
Yeah, this map is underestimating our capabilities. I live below sea level in NL, and I’m fine.
Average maximum?
There is a physical limit, there is only so much water on earth, but it may increase or decrease at certain times or locations because of the tides, weather, etc,. But yes, maybe I could have worded it better.
So you’re telling me the film Waterworld wasn’t based on a true story?
Aha, understood, thank you, wasn't really sure what that meant.
Well main problem isn't ice melting and sea level rising up, problem is ice itself, those ices play cruicial role in our ecosystem.
Well I think millions of the most densely populated square kilometers disappearing is also a problem
I dunno, I see one particular city where an ex lives that will end up submerged. Clouds and silver linings.
Cyprus tanked that 100m rise like it was nothing
The Netherlands did not :(
Whoever drew this map didn't know that the Netherlands would just find a way, sea level doesn't mean anything to them!
They’ll just grow taller
They are not on the map cuz they just turned their ditches into a dome and are now living under the sea
They are below sealevel now. There are Limits to what human can do, and I'd assume that a >100m high wall strong enough to hold back the sea might be just that
There will always be solutions. The Netherlands will survive!
Future generations of dutchmen have to ask themselves a simple question, "is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.'
But the good news is that Belgium just got more coast ! Might have had to let go of Antwerpen and a few other cities though
Aren't they mostly below sea level? Isn't that why they're called Niederlande like low-land?
Norway as well. very steep coasts doing their thing
I was looking at Norway thinking they've only lost like 5% of their territory around the edges. Then it also occured to me that's the 5% where almost everyone lives.
Same for Crete
Is it just me or does Iceland look bigger than it was as well
Tall boi Cyprus
Suboptimal
Well, we can always build cities underwater. What should we call the first on? Rapture? It'll be beautiful.
We can build cities above the water too, in the clouds.
We could name that one after Christopher Columbus!
There's always a man, and there's always a lighthouse.
Atlantis!
Aka Amsterdam with this rise
Sounds brilliant. Would you kindly go ahead and start building it
\**chuckles*\* Ik ben in gevaar!
\**chuckles*\* Jeg er i fare!
Oh shit, you guys completely vanished too!
We're going to need to hire some of your engineers to keep the water at bay.
Det går helt fint her 🇳🇴
Flanders will join you 😅
don't worry, our dams will always hold 💪💪💪💪
We're gonna live on the bottom of a bowl that gets slightly bigger over time
We would take this rise of sea level as an act of aggression and retake Doggerland as retribution
Even after all that Czech Republic still landlocked and Slovakia gets to get a beach?? Really suboptimal
Having a beach is simply not Czechia's destiny. But at least we won't have to travel to Croatia any more.
Denmark is entirely gone. This is good enough.
Why you little...
Don't worry, you're buddies of the Dutch. We'll help you stay dry. Can't have Europe without the Danes.
A sub would be optimal for you, yes.
We need a bigger terp.
We can just build the dikes above us as well
More like submarine, in your case.
Finally Hungary has a beach again
Hungary *is* a beach in this scenario
That’s where the map is clearly wrong. First of all the blue patch needs to be a lot smaller as the elevation of Budapest is ca. 102 meters above see level. But most shockingly how there is no sea or at least a lagoon alongside the Danube when it flows further down towards Serbia and the Romania. Hungarian geo nerd out.
Budapest will go under every high tide.
Budapest can be new Amsterdam
> Hungary is a beach in this scenario Surrounded by beach, more like.
Slovak dream would become a reality 😁
This makes no sense lol :D how does the sea just appear in the middle of hungary? :D i guess they just converted everything below current sea level+100m into blue. Also some of europe is already below sea level but is not covered in water
water might flow through the Danube valley
The lowest altitude of the Danube basin near Budapest is 90 meters, so this is plausible. https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-ljd57/Danube/ It also means the map is very incomplete. Lots of river valleys would get flooded.
the key point is Iron Gates, 65 meters.
Pannonian Sea?
How does Hungary get all that water, is there a tunnel between them and the Mediterranean Sea?
Op think Balaton is a sea
The bit of hungary where Balaton is isn't even submerged.
These are called the Bucegi Secret Tunnels from Romania. Built by Dacia and hidden from the people by…. Yeah this joke went to far, sorry :))
All these maps should include a perfectly intact Netherlands. They're going to figure something out
Might aswell build a 100m seawall while you at it right
they could make an anime about this and call it Attack on Water
You know Pandemic, the board game? There is a version where the Dutch fight the water. You lose if you don't have water stones left to flood the next area, you win if you build 4 of our important systems to keep water out.
That's actually a mistranslation, the original name is "The Attack Water" 🤓
To keep the kaiju out?
Didn't you see what happened to the Alaskan seawall last week? I'm telling you the UN should start the Jaeger Program again.
I think we'll just transform it into worlds first floating country and be done with this rising water nonsense
Right they could then float away and go somewhere else
Hopefully to a place with better weather :')
Considering they're Dutch, they'll likely hang out near spain and be obnoxious drunk neighbors. lol Also, they'll have a crazy increase in power generation considering how many households have solar panels in the netherlands.
“That’s it, we’re floating this country to the tropics!”
While we're at it, we'll float to a place with more sunshine and conduct trade between countries along the way while turning the old Netherlands into New Rotterdam. I like this plan.
So basically the whole of the Netherlands will become a VOC ship?
I vote we become pirates.
I knew it, [One Piece](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11737520/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3_tt_8_nm_0_q_one%2520piece) is a documentary movie.
Again?
>They're going to figure something out Everyone's hanging out at that 332.4 m corner with Belgium.
The higest point of the Netherlands is actually only like 10 meters away from the three country corner (dutch, belgium, germany). South Limburg will probably be the only area left of the Netherlands. That also puts into perspective how much of germany is missing. I think the top is the harz mountain range which looks like current Schleswig-Holstein but is way way further down
For sure. For instance, lower corporate tax rate for mailbox under water
But what if we [drianed the oceans](https://what-if.xkcd.com/53/)?
That is so funny. We’d all be Netherlands in the end!
I have a better idea Let's just drink the ocean away
Someone call Badland Chugs
As a Swede I consider this a win. Sure my home would be gone, but the problem (Denmark) would be totally gone. Worthwhile tradeoff that I’m willing to sacrifice my hometown for.
🇳🇴🤝🇸🇪
Scandic mountains keeping us above water.
Monkey's Paw 🐒🐾: The Danish refugees all end up in Finland and make an even more unintelligible new Finnish-Danish language that is 9001% more unbearable to hear by Norwegian and Swedish speakers. [;} 🃏🖖](https://youtu.be/s-mOy8VUEBk?feature=shared)
Wouldn't that mean more Danes in Sweden too?
I think the Danes would rather drown than live in Sw*den
Censoring the word Sweden unnecessarily was a brilliant move.
Mods, ban them, they used the S word uncensored
Mods, send him to Sw\*den
Yeah screw Brazil, he's going to the S land
It's not unnecessary, it's a slur
I think most danes would prefer Norway
As would most swedes, but if we can't have her neither can you.
soap opera ass nations 💀
Truly first world problems up here.
Will you guys at least learn norwegian? Please? Ive had two danish doctors and had to bring a translator every time i went to them 😭 Edit: also bring beer!!
I mean, after forcing Norwegians to speak Danish for hundreds of years, seems the least we could do is speak Norwegian if you let us stay at your place after the flood comes. And beer is all we'll be packing, don't worry!
Why would Danes want to live in Sweden! They’re a bunch of idiots in Sweden.
Hey now, not every swede is stupid. Like, you've got the swede that invented the solar-powered flashlight!
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Nordic rivalries are so cute
and there are Balkan rivalries, which are the opposite
Balkan rivalries are serious blood feuds.
Sweden and Denmark has fought more wars than any other combination of countries in the worlds history. The trick is just to stick a giant sea in the middle so the rising sea levels might very well help with that.
Is it like siblings? Like... They can fuck with each other but God forbid someone else does... You're fucking done.
Technically Denmark wouldn't be fully gone, 98 % would, but Møn would stil be there and a few other places.
Least anti-Danish Swede.
Technically, underwater Denmark would become part of Sweden's exclusive economic zone.
This scenario summarizes the feelings of many Finns as well, as Turku (Skåne of Finland) would be gone.
Just got to build a massive dam between Scotland and Norway and close off the English Channel and the Strait of Gibraltar.
Or we make a giant sponge 🧽
Just unclog the drain
You're joking but that joke has so much thought put into it that it's apparently [worth a Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_European_Enclosure_Dam).
That dam could give enough power to all of europe, but good luck creating it
Just leaving Ireland to drown 💀
The British way 👍.
croatia unbothered, gets more coastline
As a Norwegian, kinda unbothered too.
Bosnia also profits
Slovenia still looking for more coastline larger than a stone throw
My house is for sale 😎 in Denmark.
SELL THE HOUSE TO WHO BEN????
FUCKING AQUAMAN?!?!
Hello, I’m from Denmark… Where?
Well, I'm not sure if we are prepared to have the Dutch people here all year round (and not only in touristic areas in winter and summer).
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Crimea problem solved itself.
As we like to say in German: *Wenn Holland nicht wär'* *Läg' Aachen am Meer*
It's still not on the coast on this map though as a good part of the neighbouring Dutch region of South Limburg would survive this.
Lol the only way Scotland will get independence, by England drowning.
Tis but a scratch.
Yeah just after all the Englishmen move up to Scotland.
We can rename it England 2.
The whole central belt would be under water. Like most of the population of Scotland would be under water. There’d be millions moving to the highlands living in tents. It’s kinda funny to think about Luckily I already live in a hilly area of Scotland
No worries, we will just koloniseer the sea 💪🏻
Can you rise it a bit more ? There is still a bit of England left
I’m willing to die if it means the French will lose more land
Amen
\*Happy Bretons noises\*
Okay someone pls explain where all that water would come from in hungary? I know there’s a river but it’s a little extreme Edit: typo
If the river don't go above 100m from current sea level, 100m rise of sea level would turn the flow of rivers to inland, and flood areas in there. If it goes above 100m, this wouldn't happen. Edit: And any valley or land areas that are below that 100m could also turn to seas or rivers.
River flows downward due to gravity. If end of river is suddenly above source of river then river flow back and make big lake.
Look...hard brexit!
The UK won't just rebuild a navy, they'll become it
Moist brexit.
Only way Latvia is getting a small Island is becoming a one.
Croatian coast dont give a fuck.
Croatia gets another coast? How does sea get into the Panonian sea though?
if sea level rises, rivers will start flowing inwards instead of outwards and flooding the pannonian plane with water
Pannonian sea is back (sorry for y'all who live there, but I'd live on the coast, so yayyy)
Bye Denmark, nice knowing you🫡
There is a reason why we are so tall.
We figured out the answer to the crimea situation
The Caspian sea would finally be part of the world ocean
The return of the brexit
oh my god ESTONIA!!!!
Malta no more :(
at least nobody will be fighting over crimea anymore
Get Russia out of Ukraine by flooding the world, nice.
Well, guess me and my fellow Danes will have to move. Got space, Norwegian brothers?
Its why we keep Greenland around
The real British islandS
Crimeea is fucked either way...
As a hungarian, i support this.
I recently found out that UK was actually connected to the rest of Europe by a land bridge, until as recently as 6,000 BCE. That's completely wild to me for some reason.