> Just wondering what the rules are for that exactly
EBU doesn't give a fuck about such things, as long as you don't win two national finals, you can represent only one country in the same contest.
Every broadcaster has their own rules, some don't want songs to be released before their preselections, and some don't care.
Imagine what would happen if someone won more than one NF with the same song? Would the EBU force you to pick one of the countries? This is so funny to me!
Just FYI Mileo for Australia isn’t happening this year - but it could for next year. Our artist would’ve been selected already, we’re just waiting on the announcement.
Oh, I'm sure. I'm in the bargaining stage of grief and this is 100% copium.
It just raised the question in my mind and I had no idea what the rules were around something like that.
I think some broadcasters require submissions that haven’t been submitted anywhere else, but EBU doesn’t have any regulations on national selection processes
Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but TEYA (Austria 2023) once attempted to compete in the Austrian internal selection back in 2020 (not really an NF though) with a song in English, which didn’t get in. The same year, she competed in the Serbian national final with the same song but with lyrics translated to Serbian by her parents instead.
Absolute slay. My man SANG UPSIDE DOWN and didn't miss a note. The nurse dancers and anime villain outfit were on point! I'm just saying, Mileo understood the assignment and it kills me that Judge Tenderly of Me went through but this didn't 😭🤬
Erica Norwich's vocal wasn't great, that's fair. Judge Tenderly of Me had a beautiful vocal, sure. But the song wasn't great and felt *very* dated to me.
As someone already said it hapenned before but there's a few factors that limit this from hapenning often. One of them is the rules of the broadcaster so this might be rules about nationality/residence or the song being released before. Another factor is the timing so you have to "lose" a national final early enough for the song submission deadline for other selections to not be over yet so for example if you don't win FdC (in March) there's nothing else you can apply for at that point. I think the chance for this hapenning with an internal selection is close to 0 because it looks bad on the broadcaster to pick a song that was kind of determined to be worse than another song
Theoretically yes because the EBU doesn't care, but even if they don't demand your song is unreleased, I've noticed a lot of national selections do have it in their rules that you cannot apply to other selections with the same songs. How they'd enforce that I don't know, but.
To be fair, that's probably not a bad rule for national broadcasters to have, especially in the era of people from everywhere streaming different countries' NFs these days.
Out of the ones I remember, in 2003 Esther Hart competed in the Netherlands NF and was also scheduled in the UK NF, but was asked (?) to choose one and she went for the Dutch one, which eventually got her the ticket for Riga. I think her spot in the UK NF was covered by Nanne Grönvall.
Also in 2003, Ich Troje participated in the Polish and German NF. My fave song out of the two was the one sent to Germany, but they won for Poland and went on to successfully perform in Riga.
Of course, Sanremo isn't a national final, but the winner gets first refusal to represent Italy, and Achille would've taken it, so that's why I used him as an example :)
Different NFs have different rules that would make this not possible, but there is nothing official that would prohibit this, so long as you don’t win the first NF. Elis Mraz (ESCZ runner up 2022) tried, but didn’t get past the non-televised semi final phase. The EBU is rather relaxed regarding national final rules, as long as the song meets the requirements.
Another example was Amberlife who entered the same song in both Latvia and Lithuania in the same year (2006) and was selected for both. He ended up withdrawing from Lithuania after it was immediately eliminated in a Latvian semi though
I also want Australia to snatch Mileo. All i have is the following reference about "Higher ground", Danish 2018 entrance, from Wiwibloggs:
"According to a message posted on YouTube by Joakim Jarny, “Higher Ground” was submitted to Melodifestivalen 2018 with up-and-coming singer Dennis Bengtsson on vocals. However, the track was passed over by the Swedes and the team behind the song decided to try their luck elsewhere.
They turned to neighbouring Denmark, and entered the song into Dansk Melodi Grand Prix. Due to DMGP rules, the song needed to be performed by a Dane, so Dennis was dropped and replaced by Rasmussen."
No, they can’t. I think the rules were changed when Ich Troje (sorry I can’t remember their exact name) tried to enter both Poland and Germany’s selection with the same song. Thankfully they won the first one and I remember reading an article at the time saying the EBU updated the rules so it couldn’t happen again.
PS: I stand corrected in another post, they entered different songs but could have ended up representing 2 countries and I believe there were no rules against that at the time, hence the EBU updating them for the next year.
Well, in 1990, the first place in Austria's selection was disqualified because they had already competed with the same song in Germany's 1988 selection and second place was sent to Eurovision instead. This was 30 years ago, though.
Oh, right, I suppose it could be different if the song competes in different NFs during the same timeframe, since there was a 2 year difference in this case.
Yeah, that's more what I was thinking. Imagine having the absolute audacity to try and send a song to Eurovision again *two years after* already having tried the first time lol
Elis Mraz did in 2022 so yeah I guess
As far as I remember it was not with the same song, because San Marino demanded a completely new song
Nah, it was [Imma Be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0nREwPCEY0)
Ah, word, thanks! I'd never really thought about it before :)
> Just wondering what the rules are for that exactly EBU doesn't give a fuck about such things, as long as you don't win two national finals, you can represent only one country in the same contest. Every broadcaster has their own rules, some don't want songs to be released before their preselections, and some don't care.
Nice one, this was exactly what I was wondering in terms of *rules.* Thanks!
Imagine what would happen if someone won more than one NF with the same song? Would the EBU force you to pick one of the countries? This is so funny to me!
Osterdahl tosses a coin.
Napoli once competed in the Polish and Belarusian national finals with My Universe, I think it was in 2016?
That's super interesting to know, thanks!!
Just FYI Mileo for Australia isn’t happening this year - but it could for next year. Our artist would’ve been selected already, we’re just waiting on the announcement.
Oh, I'm sure. I'm in the bargaining stage of grief and this is 100% copium. It just raised the question in my mind and I had no idea what the rules were around something like that.
I think some broadcasters require submissions that haven’t been submitted anywhere else, but EBU doesn’t have any regulations on national selection processes
Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but TEYA (Austria 2023) once attempted to compete in the Austrian internal selection back in 2020 (not really an NF though) with a song in English, which didn’t get in. The same year, she competed in the Serbian national final with the same song but with lyrics translated to Serbian by her parents instead.
That is super interesting, I love facts like this. Thanks!
I KNEW this would be the reason for this post. Cmon Australia!,
Absolute slay. My man SANG UPSIDE DOWN and didn't miss a note. The nurse dancers and anime villain outfit were on point! I'm just saying, Mileo understood the assignment and it kills me that Judge Tenderly of Me went through but this didn't 😭🤬
Be mad at My AI not Judge Tenderly of Me. They deserved to go through
Erica Norwich's vocal wasn't great, that's fair. Judge Tenderly of Me had a beautiful vocal, sure. But the song wasn't great and felt *very* dated to me.
Maybe he didn’t miss a note because of autotune allowed?
His vocal was better upside-down than a lot of artists' were right-side-up, and they're all working with the same tech, so
As someone already said it hapenned before but there's a few factors that limit this from hapenning often. One of them is the rules of the broadcaster so this might be rules about nationality/residence or the song being released before. Another factor is the timing so you have to "lose" a national final early enough for the song submission deadline for other selections to not be over yet so for example if you don't win FdC (in March) there's nothing else you can apply for at that point. I think the chance for this hapenning with an internal selection is close to 0 because it looks bad on the broadcaster to pick a song that was kind of determined to be worse than another song
All really good points, thanks!
Theoretically yes because the EBU doesn't care, but even if they don't demand your song is unreleased, I've noticed a lot of national selections do have it in their rules that you cannot apply to other selections with the same songs. How they'd enforce that I don't know, but.
To be fair, that's probably not a bad rule for national broadcasters to have, especially in the era of people from everywhere streaming different countries' NFs these days.
Out of the ones I remember, in 2003 Esther Hart competed in the Netherlands NF and was also scheduled in the UK NF, but was asked (?) to choose one and she went for the Dutch one, which eventually got her the ticket for Riga. I think her spot in the UK NF was covered by Nanne Grönvall. Also in 2003, Ich Troje participated in the Polish and German NF. My fave song out of the two was the one sent to Germany, but they won for Poland and went on to successfully perform in Riga.
Esther was replaced by Simon Chapman in the UK, Nanne had an unrelated song in the British NF in 2001
Thanks for the correction!
These are the exact kind of facts I come to this sub for, thanks!
Consider that "Festival di Sanremo" Is not meant to select who will go to Eurovision like ore NFs
Of course, Sanremo isn't a national final, but the winner gets first refusal to represent Italy, and Achille would've taken it, so that's why I used him as an example :)
Different NFs have different rules that would make this not possible, but there is nothing official that would prohibit this, so long as you don’t win the first NF. Elis Mraz (ESCZ runner up 2022) tried, but didn’t get past the non-televised semi final phase. The EBU is rather relaxed regarding national final rules, as long as the song meets the requirements.
As soon as I saw the title I knew who this would be about lol. I feel you..
I'm just not ready to let go lol
You're not alone
Another example was Amberlife who entered the same song in both Latvia and Lithuania in the same year (2006) and was selected for both. He ended up withdrawing from Lithuania after it was immediately eliminated in a Latvian semi though
Wow, that is interesting, thanks for that!
I also want Australia to snatch Mileo. All i have is the following reference about "Higher ground", Danish 2018 entrance, from Wiwibloggs: "According to a message posted on YouTube by Joakim Jarny, “Higher Ground” was submitted to Melodifestivalen 2018 with up-and-coming singer Dennis Bengtsson on vocals. However, the track was passed over by the Swedes and the team behind the song decided to try their luck elsewhere. They turned to neighbouring Denmark, and entered the song into Dansk Melodi Grand Prix. Due to DMGP rules, the song needed to be performed by a Dane, so Dennis was dropped and replaced by Rasmussen."
That's really interesting. I love Higher Ground, so I'm glad it turned out the way it did lol
marcus and martinus please represent norway and sweden :(((
No, they can’t. I think the rules were changed when Ich Troje (sorry I can’t remember their exact name) tried to enter both Poland and Germany’s selection with the same song. Thankfully they won the first one and I remember reading an article at the time saying the EBU updated the rules so it couldn’t happen again. PS: I stand corrected in another post, they entered different songs but could have ended up representing 2 countries and I believe there were no rules against that at the time, hence the EBU updating them for the next year.
Well, in 1990, the first place in Austria's selection was disqualified because they had already competed with the same song in Germany's 1988 selection and second place was sent to Eurovision instead. This was 30 years ago, though.
That's an interesting fact, but wouldn't it have been in violation of the "must not be released before XX date" rule anyway?
Oh, right, I suppose it could be different if the song competes in different NFs during the same timeframe, since there was a 2 year difference in this case.
Yeah, that's more what I was thinking. Imagine having the absolute audacity to try and send a song to Eurovision again *two years after* already having tried the first time lol