How nice - members paid a ton of money to have those buildings constructed (and to have huge gaudy temples built). It's such a comfort to know the cult gets to sell the property and add to the EPA coffers.
For 6.5 million, it probably has a tear down clause. That land has to be worth 5-6 million on its own.
ETA, may not have a direct tear down clause, but priced knowing that the buyer will likely be demoing it anyway, and have expenses.
On the other hand, they are advertising the fixed chapel seating as one of the property attributes, which could suggest that there is no tear down requirement? The architecture is not as distinctly Mormon as more recent chapels, so they may be willing to let this one slide?
The tear down requirements are so wasteful. There’s a perfectly good building already in place… All of the engineering, grading, materials, architecture … to just tear it down because of Mormon psychological insecurities seems disrespectful to our finite natural resources.
The listing said it was built on 1990. Unlike some of the older structures where there are asbestos or lead paint, this building is clean.
The listing also highlight "residential redevelopment" as a use case.
Maybe they are discounting/writing off the structure as it is so purpose built to have no general marketable value. Then they can write down the overall value of the property and have a loss.
in case a McChurch still wanted it for its built purpose. TSCC probably factored in demolition costs as part of the asking price, so maybe not a required tear down.
From listing:
“The seller will reserve mineral rights for the property and will have some Deed restrictions as stated in the Addendum. “
Tear down clause may be in addendum.
>The seller will reserve mineral rights for the property
I've noticed in a few listings now that they say they keep the water and mineral rights. I've been been wondering if they've been making money off those somehow.
Went to this building on the mission. It’s where the Spanish ward met. I’ve heard from other people from the mission that wards are consolidating in LA. Even years ago I think only a couple of buildings in this part of town had more than one ward assigned to it.
It needs to be replaced by a chapel with the One True Floor Plan. The Holy Ghost can't find its way into your heart if it gets lost in all these non-standard church buildings.
I didn't see a teardown clause when I looked through the listing, but some of the investment highlights were interesting.
Estimated average income within a 5 mile radius as of 2023 was $174,191.
Possible residential infill opportunity. Minimum zoning for housing is 1500 sf and the land is 0.58 AC.
Not sure, but it would be interesting to know.
I was aware of someone in Ogden, Ut whose family had purchased and lived in (as their home) an old Mormon meetinghouse, and I saw a similar HGtv-style home flipper show where a gay couple in the Castro (SF) had remodeled an old LDS meeting space as their home (poetic justice, eh).
Salt Lake is full of old Mormon churches repurposed as churches for other orgs (a Buddhist temple, many non-denominational christian churches, etc).
That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me if, based on these experiences, the church had changed its approach at some point and now requires teardown of the old buildings.
Maybe someone reading this thread can confirm one way or another? I don't live in the Morridor or any of it's offshoots, so my take on it only comes from what I read here. Also, the church might require that (if at all) only on certain buildings or in certain locations. Every single thing it does is calculated to accomplish (or avoid) specific outcomes. Gotta protect that "Good Name" it enjoys, right?
Hey I know that building! Use to be the El Sereno Ward long ago. I gave a talk there right after the mission. I hope whoever buys it turns it into a laundromat!
How nice - members paid a ton of money to have those buildings constructed (and to have huge gaudy temples built). It's such a comfort to know the cult gets to sell the property and add to the EPA coffers.
not just paid for it - they most likely helped build it too.
You're probably right!
And cleaned its toilets too!
My grandpa was an extremely skilled bricklayer, and he built a church building in our hometown for just the cost of materials.
Exactly. Why not donate to the local community, at the very minimum.
Yes - why not put it to use as a shelter or service center for those in need? Or a health center?
Because Jesus never said to help others (at least not to my face) - GA logic apparently
Yeah - Jesus wasn't into that stuff. Not at all.
If every member of this sub contributed like $25 USD we could buy this and turn it into an exmo church
Now you’re talking
Bar
I would get in on that for 100$
For 6.5 million, it probably has a tear down clause. That land has to be worth 5-6 million on its own. ETA, may not have a direct tear down clause, but priced knowing that the buyer will likely be demoing it anyway, and have expenses.
On the other hand, they are advertising the fixed chapel seating as one of the property attributes, which could suggest that there is no tear down requirement? The architecture is not as distinctly Mormon as more recent chapels, so they may be willing to let this one slide?
It does look unlike any chapels I've seen. Maybe the building has serious structural or systems issues, so it's offered "as is" or something?
The tear down requirements are so wasteful. There’s a perfectly good building already in place… All of the engineering, grading, materials, architecture … to just tear it down because of Mormon psychological insecurities seems disrespectful to our finite natural resources.
The listing said it was built on 1990. Unlike some of the older structures where there are asbestos or lead paint, this building is clean. The listing also highlight "residential redevelopment" as a use case.
The land is probably worth $7.5. It's listed at $6.5 because it'll cost a million to tear it down and haul away the trash.
I’m not so sure about that because it does highlight the chapel seating, which would go away if torn down
Maybe they are discounting/writing off the structure as it is so purpose built to have no general marketable value. Then they can write down the overall value of the property and have a loss.
But why then would the ad specifically state the seating capacity?
in case a McChurch still wanted it for its built purpose. TSCC probably factored in demolition costs as part of the asking price, so maybe not a required tear down.
From listing: “The seller will reserve mineral rights for the property and will have some Deed restrictions as stated in the Addendum. “ Tear down clause may be in addendum.
>The seller will reserve mineral rights for the property I've noticed in a few listings now that they say they keep the water and mineral rights. I've been been wondering if they've been making money off those somehow.
Went to this building on the mission. It’s where the Spanish ward met. I’ve heard from other people from the mission that wards are consolidating in LA. Even years ago I think only a couple of buildings in this part of town had more than one ward assigned to it.
I was thinking it was the Westwood Ward building, but your comment makes me think not.
That building is just behind the temple, I believe.
Ah. It's been a while-- decades, and I was quite young! (Lived in LA until I was 5.)
Nope - it is in Mar Vista.
Someone needs to buy it and turn it into a cool bar/ club called The Meeting House
I’m down !!!
It needs to be replaced by a chapel with the One True Floor Plan. The Holy Ghost can't find its way into your heart if it gets lost in all these non-standard church buildings.
It's not the Winchester House
Could it be the Westchester ward?
This is my favorite post today! Thank you.
I didn't see a teardown clause when I looked through the listing, but some of the investment highlights were interesting. Estimated average income within a 5 mile radius as of 2023 was $174,191. Possible residential infill opportunity. Minimum zoning for housing is 1500 sf and the land is 0.58 AC.
Thanks for finding this. What I was thinking about as I glanced at the post and wondered.
Full listing, not sure if this is allowed https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/3655-S-Centinela-Ave-Los-Angeles-CA/32114001/
For a bldg that big in LA, 6.5 mil actually seems pretty cheap. Please, PLEASE someone buy it! What are we gonna do with this weird leftover building?
Is there a requirement to tear it down? I think that was required in some other sell-offs?
Not sure, but it would be interesting to know. I was aware of someone in Ogden, Ut whose family had purchased and lived in (as their home) an old Mormon meetinghouse, and I saw a similar HGtv-style home flipper show where a gay couple in the Castro (SF) had remodeled an old LDS meeting space as their home (poetic justice, eh). Salt Lake is full of old Mormon churches repurposed as churches for other orgs (a Buddhist temple, many non-denominational christian churches, etc). That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me if, based on these experiences, the church had changed its approach at some point and now requires teardown of the old buildings.
Maybe someone reading this thread can confirm one way or another? I don't live in the Morridor or any of it's offshoots, so my take on it only comes from what I read here. Also, the church might require that (if at all) only on certain buildings or in certain locations. Every single thing it does is calculated to accomplish (or avoid) specific outcomes. Gotta protect that "Good Name" it enjoys, right?
dibs on wrecking that shit
Just a couple miles from the LA temple. 3624 S. Cintenella Ave, Los Angeles.
> Correction: 3655 S. Cintenella Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90066
Thanks
Centinela
I'm afraid whoever buys that is going to have to invest in a MUCH taller steeple.
Address? Where is it located?
3655 S. Cintenella Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90066
[r/MormonShrivel](https://www.reddit.com/r/t5_81a61a/s/uWNx5ZQngU)
Is the gym carpeted?
That’s a nice building. I have only ever seen generic looking wards. If the name wasn’t on the building, I thought it was Catholic.
The original buildings in CA actually have a lot of character. I’d love for someone to keep the building up but repurpose it.
I foresee the new Dildopolis Los Angeles location!
Hey I know that building! Use to be the El Sereno Ward long ago. I gave a talk there right after the mission. I hope whoever buys it turns it into a laundromat!