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I worked with a Sikh guy once. We had a pizza night and we ordered a "vegetarian" pizza for him, he had never eaten pizza before, he was fresh from India. Super nice kid... well, the sauce had meat in it. I watched him pull the tiniest bit of ground beef (maybe pork) out of his mouth and he was just staring at it. I felt soooo fucking guilty. He looked horrified. It really bummed him out the whole night. It was sad. I let the pizza place know that was unacceptable and they were like "well meat is in the sauce so what do you want from us? Its vegetarian, not vegan". Maybe fucking don't list the pizza as a vegetarian option then???
If I read vegan then I assume the cheese is some sort of dairy alternative, if I read vegetarian then I assume there is no meat. If it's listed as "veggie pizza" then I would not have assumed vegetarian, but that it was just no meat. Man it sucked. And I'm realizing now, their vegan pizza probably also has meat in the sauce.
“It’s vegetarian not vegan.”
Umm… meat sauce is not vegetarian? What do they think vegetarian means?
As a vegetarian, I always have to ask and it’s so sad. I’ve encountered meat sauce on pizza before. People laugh and look at me like I’m crazy when I ask if the cheese pizza is vegetarian, but you have to unfortunately.
I’ve also encountered eggplant sandwiches where the batter has beef stock in it. Like why? The eggplant sandwich is the only “vegetarian” thing in the menu… ugh. Annoys me so much.
One Italian place by me, the Alfredo is made with chicken stock and the marinara is made with meat stock. There are ZERO vegetarian options because of this. And people think I’m insane when I say there are none there when they want to go there. “Pasta with marinara is vegetarian!!” Not here, it’s not!
My middle daughter has a milk protein allergy. She has had it since birth. She was admitted to the hospital at 7 days for failure to thrive because of it. One of the problems because of it is she cannot drink carbonated drinks.
When she started kindergarten we explained this to the school and her teacher. Fast forward to the first class trip and they go to McDonald's. I expressed beforehand she HAS to have water. Only water. I literally pack her lunch everyday because of her food needs.
The teacher is handing out sprites to every kid. My daughter at 5 says Ms E I can't drink that, bc of ... Teacher says, " we just won't tell mommy ok?". My daughter threw up all over her teachers shoes. Teacher was really mad. She is yelling at me at pick up I am paying for new shoes and I said was she given something other than water? This is what happens when you give her carbonation. Teacher goes completely white as she is caught in what she did.
People with food allergies are not just being dramatic. My daughter gets in the car and says "mama I told her I couldn't drink anything but water". Advocating for herself since 5.
Just don't screw with people's food.
Jesus. I don’t think I’d have been able to stop myself punching that teacher and I’m not even a parent. Like she had no idea how severe your daughter’s allergy is, she could’ve easily killed her doing something that stupid
We have a staunch policy of not keeping secrets from Mom and Dad ESPECIALLY if another adult tells our kids to keep it secret from us.
5 years in the making, my boys narc'd on their grandma for telling them to keep the extra dessert secret.
I never understood people who got mad at vomiting period. Voluntary vomiting is very rare and it’s not something most people can do easily to begin with. It’s like shaming someone for having a runny nose.
Why on earth would any teacher demand the parents to pay for new shoes even if the throwing up wasn't because of an allergy? I doubt anyone throws up on purpose
I am not vegan, but I really don't understand what people are trying to prove with this nonsense. I ve never heard a Vegan say that they don't eat meat because they dislike the taste, all the vegans I met had an understandable moral qualm with how animals are treated in the food industry so what the heck do these people think they have done by getting a vegan to admit that they liked some real meat based product?
I’m a meat eater. But imagine feeding another meat eater human meat in order to prove some sort of point.
“How was your burger?”
“Very tasty, thanks.”
“Ahaa! It was people! Now maybe you won’t be opposed to cannibalism eh?”
It’d be absolutely fucked.
Ah ha! You're opposed to murder but I manufactured a situation where your only option of survival was to kill another person, guess it's not so bad now huh?
"They are already dead. If you don't eat them it would be a waste. I thought all you anti cannibals were against wasting human life."
"If people didn't eat people they wouldnt have a purpose and we wouldnt raise them for food. They should be greatfull we eat them or else there would be no point in raising them."
The downright gross hivemind blanket hate for veganism is unironically part of what pushed me into considering and ultimately converting to it myself. Something about seeing the anti-vegans being the ones self righteously hateful against vegans for trying to do something they think more ethical put me down the path of realizing a lot more than just that.
I also realized the anti-vegans are often the same ones that would hate on me for not being straight either. Idk how many times I heard cracks to the effect of "men who don't eat meat aren't real men / are probably gay / etc" growing up. And that fear of social judgement from them is the whole reason I suppressed my empathy for animals and made it conditional. Yada yada tl;dr, it's like it started a chain of dominoes falling with one very obvious end to it.
I’m not vegan but don’t eat meat because I can’t stand the texture of it. So it is absolutely possible some vegans don’t enjoy the texture or flavour.
Tampering with food is next level fucked up and can literally kill someone. Why people are bothered about what others do with their lives I’ll never understand
Regardless of wether you like vegan or not, tampering with people’s food is next level messed up
How many horror stories have we heard about people poisoning other family members with things they’re allergic too to “see if they’re actually allergic” or just straight up don’t believe allergies are real?
Dude I'm not deathly allergic to anything but I am an alcoholic and things like this really get me.
I'll still visit bars for work events and things like that but I pay *close* attention to the bartender when they make my drink. There's been 3 separate occasions where a bartender mixed alcohol into my soda or whatever and I nearly drank it.
Sure I wouldn't die of allergies but I guarantee my quality of life would take a serious tumble. Last time I slipped I went on a month long bender, got a 2nd DUI, and had one of the lowest points in my life. 5 years sober now, but the potential is still there if I start to drink.
Wait what???
Serving alcohol to someone who didn't specifically ask for it is the equivalent of drugging someone. I DD for my friends sometimes and I always order a soda, now you got me worrying x.x
I am guessing that they get so many vodka and tonic or some other variation X non alcoholic beverage and Y liquor that they occasionally reflexively start making X+Y when someone orders X.
Bingo! My go to drinks are a soda or soda water with lime.
Every time it's happened to me it's been a busy night so my guess is the bartender just went into auto pilot and mixed an alcoholic drink. I mean it is a bar...
I've learned to preface my order at any bar with "I'm DD'ing" or "I don't drink" so they know not to mix anything up. To be fair, a lot more people are going alcohol-free these days so it has gotten a lot better. Especially with NA options!
NA beers and actual mocktails on the menu is finally happening and long overdue. Up until recently in most cases your only option was some sort of soda if you weren't drinking (I very much dislike soda) or just plain water.
I know you're not really my ethnicity, and you're not looking for unsolicited advice but-
You're making your ancestors proud. Keep on the current path. Many people, including my grandparents, have became addicted to alcohol. It's what they used to trap us. Stay alcohol free, and remember some of your ancestors weren't able to make that decision and died.
Appreciate it friend.
Both my mom and dad's side of the family has multiple generations of alcoholics so I was born into a cycle of addiction. So grateful for the path I've been able to follow and the ability to break free from my "generational curse".
alcohol is evil. i’m a former heroin addict (clean 5 years) but have dated an alcoholic, and it sounds morbid but i was always thankful i ended up addicted to my drug of choice instead of his. i always told him, if heroin was advertised every single time i turned on the TV or if i could walk into a fucking grocery store to buy a bundle, i’d 100% have died a long time ago.
i think all drugs should be legalized and regulated, but i totally understand why prohibition happened. alcohol is evil.
edit: a lot of interesting replies, didn’t realize this would trigger such a strong response. clearly some people love their booze.
Nope... reasoning given was "I just wanted to see for myself that it was not psychosomatic" while attempting to replicate the result to prove me wrong... Weeeeeee
>Nope... reasoning given was "**I just wanted to see for myself that it was not psychosomatic**" while attempting to replicate the result to prove me wrong... Weeeeeee
I hope they told the police that when they gave their statement before being booked. What they did is unforgivable. You could have died, and just to satisfy their moronic curiosity..
It was a close family member who was raised with the notion that allergies were a figment of our imagination... as I found out only when these instances happened 
That's assault at least, or attempted murder. I would have seriously considered going full legal process on them. "I just wanted to see for myself if the legal system did work the way it said it did. oops, i guess you're in jail now." Far out.
Health is a serious concern. I remember a young woman a few years ago, her "friends" gave her something like real chicken nuggets? She got seriously ill and had to sue those fucking dipshits. I think of this kind of stuff every time the reddit circlejerk mocks vegans.
the whole concept of “whether you like vegan or not” is utterly bizarre. Meat eaters also eat veggies do they not?
Surely meat eaters have some foods they don’t like or choose not to eat. Why is it such a thing to *hate* that other people also have food preferences? Who cares? How does this affect anyone in any way?
Legit if someone did this to me, I would be in hospital because of allergies. I’m not vegan by choice, some items of food will literally kill me.
People like this are insane.
That's what I thought about, too.
The dead child was a twin. I lost my sister when I was 7. You never recover from that type of loss. It's been 61 years and I still miss my Joyce.
Thank you. You miss them, always. You think, Joyce would've liked that. You get reminded of their favorite candy bar. You wonder what they would've thought about cell phones, things like that.
Exactly what I was thinking about. The grandmother just "knew better" and killed her granddaughter because she couldn't get it in her head:
[Archive link](https://rareddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/7qmed5/you_can_come_over_again_when_you_bring_me_my)
For people who can't read it:
by user fuckyourcoconut in r/JUSTNOMIL on 2018-01-15
> Hello. I'm a first time poster, but I discovered this subreddit a few months ago. I was talking about this subreddit with my therapist and she gave me the homework of speaking out more about my story to see if it lessened my pain. I've written and deleted this post maybe 7 times now, but I think it's time to get it out. I've spoken English for 30 years, but it's not my first language and occasionally I use the wrong word because that's what the direct translation is, so I apologize in advance if I confuse anyone. This is going to be a long post as I'm a rambler and there is a lot of background involved.
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> Trigger Warning: a MIL who doesn't believe in allergies and the price I paid for it. Child Death.
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> This happened 12 years, 2 months, and 13 days ago on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005. My DH got married in 2002 and had our son 10 months later in the same year. In May 2004, we welcomed our twin girls. My family was beautiful. Every time I took a picture of us, we looked like the families in the stock photos you can google for. My DH is an engineer and I'm a college professor. We had a nice house in the city. Our children were healthy and happy. We even had a golden retriever named Argo as if we weren't the picture of familial happiness as is. I can no longer look at the pictures of us because it makes me too angry to.
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> When my twin girls were born, we had no issues in the hospital. They were born right on their due date, latched perfectly, and passed all their postnatal tests with stellar stats. When we brought them home, however, we noticed that one of the girls, let's call her OD since she was a whole 4.5 minutes older than her sister, was developing a rash. I hadn't really dealt with allergies in kids since my son didn't have them and neither did any child or adult in my entire family. I wasn't sure what it was, I thought that maybe she just had sensitive skin like me. I can't tolerate certain fabrics because I have very dry skin and I'll often break out in rashes if my skin decides that it doesn't like something. So I stopped using fabric softener on all the clothes. I bought the nicest, most comfortable bedding and clothes. At one point, I even made her clothes myself in the fear that maybe something in the manufacturing process was upsetting my OD. We went to the doctor several times, and they knew that she was having an allergic reaction to something, but every test came back negative and we couldn't figure out what it was. It took 3 more months to figure it out. During that time, her allergic reactions got more and more severe. At one point, she was the only baby in the history of the hospital who had to be kept in a clean room because she seemed to have a reaction the minute she left. When that happened, we began an elimination therapy that would rival the lifestyle of Buddhist monks. My husband and moved our son and YD in with his parents because we needed to eliminate everything from our routine to figure out what was causing the reaction in our OD. We stopped using our soap, our shampoo, our deodorants, our laundry detergents, and that was before we even got to our diet. It took us 3 more months, but we figured it out. Our OD was allergic to coconut. The doctors told us that it was a particularly rare allergen and so it wasn't on any of the skin test panels they ran. When we found out what she was allergic, we were relieved, so so relived. But in addition to feeling relieved, I delved into a bought of hysterical laughter. I laughed so hard I cried and to this day, my DH tells me that he didn't know if I was crying from relief or pure happiness.
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> You see, I come from a culture that uses coconut almost religiously. It's in our cooking, we break a coconut open at religious events, it's used in almost all sweets, it's in everything. The reason I was laughing was because of how much I hated one particular use for coconut. When I was a kid, pretty much up until I was in the 8th class, my mother would put coconut oil in my hair all the time. It looked greasy as hell, I hated it, and once I was old enough to start doing my own hair, I never put that stuff in my hair again. I was laughing so hard because of course I had a daughter with a severe allergy to the one thing I hated my entire life. We had a lot of fun telling people about her allergy and everyone laughed because they all knew about my hatred for coconut oil.
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> We told my mother and she laughed as well. She made jokes about how my baby must have heard me talking about my hatred for coconut oil while she was still cooking inside me and decided that she needed to hate it too. We all had a good laugh and left it at that.
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> Or so I thought.
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> My mother and I have always had a.... contentious relationship at best. We got along well enough, but we disagreed vehemently on certain topics. She wanted a traditional daughter who would be religious, get her MRS degree, marry a man that she and my father picked out (common where I'm from), have 2 kids, a house in the suburbs near her, and be a stay at home mom like her. I'm not religious in the slightest, I got 2 undergraduate degrees, went on to get a masters, and a PhD, didn't get married until 27 (late in my culture), and I married a man who was the polar opposite of what my parents wanted. As if this wasn't enough, I was a working mom who didn't need her to babysit since my husband and I made more than enough for a part time nanny.
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> Essentially, the best way I can summarize our relationship is by saying that she was very proud of me and loved to talk about my accomplishments, but I could always tell that she wished I was something else. We have a fair amount of "safe" topics that we can talk about, but I could never discuss anything too serious with her such as politics or my career. Not because she'd get mad at me, but more so because she just wasn't interested and I hate getting into conversations where I'm passionate about something, but the other person could care less.
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> As far as raising my kids, my mother was a JustYes 99.9% of the time. She was hands off, and respected all of my decisions, even if she didn't like them sometimes (ex: I chose not to raise my kids religiously, but I still took them to community events so they could understand their roots and my mother never pushed them to pray).
>
> The only thing she continually got on my case about was the coconut oil thing. You see, my girls has very textured and curly hair. We don't really know where they got it from considering my husband and I have pin straight hair that won't even hold a paperclip in it without slipping. I loved it. It was a little on the rough side and my mother always insisted that a little bit of oil would make the curls soft and more defined. I always said no. Sure, we could have used a different type of oil, but my girls were still so young and the allergy process had made me terrified of incorporating new things into their routine. I made sure I explained why to my mom too. She remembered what we'd gone through with OD and her allergy. She brought me food and clothes at the hospitals more than a few times. She helped me move all of my furniture and clothes out of my house when I was eliminating every possible source of allergen. She taught me how to cook from scratch when I was eliminating certain foods from the kids' diet. She knew everything about OD's struggle. To this day I cannot understand how she did what happened next.
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> November 2nd, 2005:
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> I was giving a midterm that day to my students and I had to be at my research lab late that night. My DH was away at some conference and our nanny was down with the flu so she couldn't watch the kids that day. So I had my mom come take them for the day. My son was almost 3 years old and the girls were a year and half old. Overnight visits with my parents weren't exactly common, but they weren't unusual either. They had always come back from these visits very happy and well taken care of so I had no second thoughts about leaving them with my parents. They spoke to me on the phone after their lunch and then, around 5PM, we videochatted. The kids were all so happy and healthy. I got home around 10:30PM that night and called my mom to see if the kids were up by any chance and I could say good night. I missed the kids by about 20 minutes, they'd already gone to bed. So I talked to my mom for a little bit, but she's a pretty early sleeper too so we hung up and went to bed. I woke up around 5AM the next morning to go pick up my husband from the airport at 6. We were going to get breakfast together and then go pick up the kids. I picked up DH and neither one of us was very hungry yet, so we thought it'd be a nice treat to pick up the kids first and go to breakfast/brunch with my parents. We got to my parents' house at 7:45AM. My parents weren't there. My son was at the neighbor's house, and ran outside with the neighbor as soon as he saw his daddy and I pull up. He was hysterical and crying and I couldn't calm him down. My blood pressure was rising because now I'm thinking that something horrible had happened to my parents. My neighbor tells me that she isn't sure what's happening, but there was an ambulance at my parents' house at 6AM and my dad had run over and woken them up to see if they could watch my son for a few hours until he got back. Of course they'd said yes.
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> I'm calling my parents nonstop at this point and I'm getting frantic because I don't know what's happened. My son was still crying but he was calmer. He still couldn't really explain to me what had happened though. I honestly don't remember the details of what happened next, but somehow we figured out that the ambulance was from X hospital nearby and we broke several driving laws trying to get there. We got to the hospital, pulled into the emergency entrance that was for ambulances only, left the car and bolted inside. A few nurses took notice of us immediately and were asking us what was wrong. I was calmer than my DH at this point, so I explained that I didn't know, but my twin girls and my parents were here somewhere. I'll never forget the look on that nurse's face. She knew exactly who I was in that moment and she was about to cry. Another nurse took me and my DH to an empty room and asked us to calm down and listen to the doctor before we went to find my family.
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> My mother had put coconut oil in both my daughters' hair when they were playing the previous day before bed. The girls loved it when my mom did their hair and so they had asked for braids and my mom was doing their hair. She put coconut oil in both their hair because it would make for smoother braids. According to my son, OD started to get a little dizzy and itchy when my mom was doing her hair so my mom gave her some kids benadryl which made her sleepy. Since it was close to bedtime anyways, the kids then went to bed. Giving her benadryl was something we did whenever she had a mild reaction since it usually meant she accidentally came across some coconut from a secondary source. We also showered her from head to toe immediately to erase any lingering traces of it. My mother simply gave her some benadryl and kept the coconut oil in her hair and put her to fucking sleep. The benadryl made her sleepy and unable to wake up or be conscious enough to wake up her brother or cry. She vomited in her sleep and the rash spread all over. Her little body was swollen to twice the size. She had asphyxiated in her sleep. She died painfully and slowly in the early hours of the morning.
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> My mother had found her when she went to check on the kids in the morning around 7AM. She was already dead by then. My mother screamed, called for my dad, and that's when they'd gone to the hospital. My dad hadn't known about the coconut oil until my mom explained and to this day, I've never seen my father so angry. He was still unable to look at my mother, out of fury, or me, out of shame, when I saw him at the hospital. They had rushed to the hospital hoping there was some way to save my OD and to get my YD checked out immediately since he thought she might have a mild allergy as well.
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> I can't even explain to you the emotions my DH and I felt. I remember seeing my little girl and just being in denial. There was no way that she was gone. This had to be a horrible, horrible nightmare. The following days, the funeral, and explaining to my other kids what had happened are events I still can't talk about because it just breaks a part of me.
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> My mother was investigated, as was my entire family. I almost lost my kids to my country's version of CPS once because they thought my kids were in danger. My DH and I had to fight tooth and nail to show that uprooting them during this time would be the worst thing for them at the moment.
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> My mother was never arrested. My father did leave her, though they're not officially divorced. The majority of my mother's family refuse to speak to her, and the few that do speak to her only do so on a limited basis. She currently lives on her own in a small town and every couple months I'll get a call from her telling me how sorry she is and how she just wasn't thinking and can I please find a way to forgive her. She wants to come see me. The only thing I can find to ever say to her is "You can come see me when you bring my daughter with you."
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> It's been 13 years. OS just got his license this year and YD is going to start high school soon. Both of them are healthy and they're turning into amazing adults, but neither one has been the same since OD passed. OS is extremely protective of YS and doesn't allow anyone to breathe rudely in his presence. YS used to be so bubbly and such a talkative little child, but she's quiet now. When she does speak, it takes some effort to hear her because she's so quiet. She told me a few years ago that she knows she was only a baby when it happened, but she feels incomplete all the time, like a part of her is missing. I didn't know what to say to her.
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> If it weren't for my DH, I don't think I could have ever recovered from the loss of my daughter. We have helped each other through the loss.
>
> It's taken over a decade of therapy to even get to this point. I don't know what I expect to get out of typing all of this out, but I've seen how much comfort this subreddit brings other posters, so hopefully I find some of the same peace.
>
> Thank you for reading.
I hope it didn't happen, but it's very well possible. Chris Watts's own mother tried to murder her granddaughters with nuts before he killed them and their mother, so it does happen.
Unbelievable. My mother-in-law is like that so I basically have to supervise whenever they play together with my daughter. We never intend to leave the baby with her alone ever. Nothing gets in her head, unfortunately, and she always knows better.
Agreed, when I was a vegan teen my grandmother used to purposefully feed me dairy, lie about it, then gleefully tell me I had just consumed dairy. It would have been great if she sat me down and said she was worried about how I was eating, worried I wouldn't get proper nutrients etc, but pulling that shady shit just made me not trust her, be angry at her, and push me further into the lifestyle to "fight back".
I am very allergic to sesame seeds. So there is a sweet very famous in our region made using these. I couldn't even bear the smell of them even when I was a kid. So my mother forcefully tried to feed it to me and the results were very harsh. I puked so much that day. So that's how my mother got to know "allergies are real"
I'm allergic to a lot of vegetables (the entire cruciferous vegetables family). The allergy developed in my early twenties, likely caused by a very strong pollen allergy.
I've had two people (my mother and a friend) slip them into my food because "it's just an excuse, you just don't want to eat your greens." I spent the entire evening throwing up both times.
The reason they didn't believe me is because they were sure the reason I don't eat salad is because I'm fat, not because I could be allergic to an ingredient in it. 🙄
Personally, I'm not vegan but my GI tract is making me so. Meat keep hurting my gut making life unpleasant while its processing. So I get vegan alternatives a lot of the time so I don't just live in pain.
If I paid for a veggie burger and got delivered a fucking meat burger, I'd be really upset.
It’s 100% possible to be allergic to meat protein. I have some odd allergies that people don’t expect. I can only eat certain types of lunch meat (like the all natural brands) unless I cook them into a grilled cheese.
Alpha-Gal
Not saying this is your specific issue but what you shared made me think of Alpha-Gal, a tick bite can make you allergic to red meat(cow pork, venison, rabbit, lamb as well as productsmade from these animals) not to mention most gel caplets or gelatin is derived from bovine.
This is the case with my bestie. She had IBS and Multiple Sclerosis. When she went vegan, her IBS went away and she went into remission for MS.
People who struggle like this will try a bunch of diets, and a fair amount of people get relief from going vegan. As far as restrictive diets go, “vegan” is well supported with cookbooks and relatively easy to follow nowadays.
I am allergic to mammal meat. Mainly pork. It messes with my stomach and, if I eat it, 2 hours later I either have diarrhea or vomit. I want to punch all the people who say I'm just a picky eater because I don't have to give satisfaction about my medical condition to everyone who makes eating meat a personality trait to compensate for his fragile masculinity.
Similar situation for my brother-in-law. It is not really painful but one to three days of annoying digestive problems.
On the plus side - at least for me: He likes cooking and is good at it, so I get to be a beneficiary regarding many creative ideas for meatless cooking. His Christmas dinner was simply brilliant - and that is the part that baffles me the most about those militant anti-vegan/vegetarian people. I do eat meat but why would I reject a meatless dish simply because it has no meat? How can anyone be so hateful to refuse to enjoy a great meal?
While trying to hurt others for no reason, they are robbing themselves of pleasures which would be so simple to achieve.
One of the best quotes I've heard appears at the end of a "Your Old Droog" track. It's simply says "The most important thing you can do with your life is not interfere with anyone elses life"
Thing is, most of us never even needed this advice. It's a conclusion we make based on a general sense of morals.
Sadly not everyone's brain works this way.
You can make people sick this way. Messing with food is a no-go. Same with people who switch diet and regular sodas when someone could be diabetic, or add nuts when they don’t believe someone has a nut allergy.
Edit: Lots of people have already explained about people who have exclusively eaten vegan diets for a year or two are missing an enzyme to break down meat, which will lead them to getting sick when eating meat. We know now, no need to repeat it _again_.
I never would’ve believed it until it happened to me, but I developed a legit meat (beef primarily) allergy. Consuming beef and dairy products will make me sick for days. If someone switched up my food on me, it would be pretty malicious.
ETA: I did switch to a vegan diet due to a tick-induced animal protein allergy (alpha gal) It honestly was probably life-saving for me.
There was a statistic of southern people, mostly grandparents.That killed their grandkids because they didn't believe in allergies.
Years ago, it was something like 25+ kids a year die. That's an outrageous number for something that doesn't need to happen at all.
Edit: apologies for "southern people" I just remember that most of the deaths took place in various south states. Texas, Georgia and of course Florida.
I remember reading a story somewhere on Reddit about a grandmother who put coconut oil in the grandkid’s hair despite being told that the child is very allergic to coconut oil. The child almost died.
The child did die in a painful drawn out way. The mother has requested people to stop posting the link due to being re traumatized when it becomes popular again.
>!It was in JUSTNOMIL and I believe the child did die. The parents had another child and when the MIL asked when she would get to see the new baby, the OP responded “When you bring back my dead child”.!<
Edit: The link doesn’t work well and the OOP doesn’t want it spread so I deleted the link and spoiler tagged the rest of my post.
I think she was actually OP's mother, not MIL. They were a pair of twins, she soaked their hair in the coconut oil, gave benadryl*** to the allergic one and sent them to sleep.
Edit: not tylenol
Yeah, I misremembered some of the details. The other kids were already born, it was her mother, not MIL. She did deliver the line about never seeing her mother until she could bring her child back to life.
That was such a sad read, when I first read what people were saying I was hoping that maybe she just didn't explain that the child had an allergy... Damn that woman should be in jail for doing that to a kid, why do people still refuse to believe in allergies?! Literally less than a month ago I yelled at my grandma for downplaying the allergies of my sister...
That is so sad. I think it's an older generation thing, the "WE didn't have allergies, people are snowflakes now" mentality. I had to really go off on my mom when my oldest was little, she WOULD NOT take it seriously that he has a nut allergy.
Weirdly enough my 'Boomer' grandmother gets this. When we talk about mental illnesses she understands "we didn't have that back in my day" is actually "we didn't understand that back in my day." My 'Silent' Grandfather, however, uses "not back in my day" a lot.
(Quotes because those are their actual generations, not just "MaH bOoMeR nAn!")
People get old enough now to become ‘snowflakes’ rather than dying of crib death or an unspecified chest congestion (aka asthma or anaphylaxis) before they were a year old.
This. Overwhelmingly, when someone talks about X not being an issue back at some point in the past, it coincides with early childhood mortality being way the fuck higher.
Especially true with antivaxers going off about how we got by for centuries without vaccines. Go visit an old timey grave yard sometime and see the waves of dead kids and babies.
Survivorship bias?
Kinda like that story about US planes from I think WWII? coming back with many bullet holes in the wings. Originally they wanted to reinforce the wing areas bc it clearly took the most damage. But then they hired some European engineer who took one look and said to reinforce the main body of the planes. They asked why? There’s hardly any damage in those areas. The engineer said, these are the planes that made it back, the ones that didn’t would have been hit in the main body.
Unfortunately, the child did die, and it was posted by the mother of the child. I also remember them being from India so coconut oils are abundant and culturally significant there. I can't imagine spending all those years to get her away from that only to be handed over by your own mother.
Right. She even put the child to sleep because I think they weren't calming down or something? Instead of taking them to the ER or calling the parents? Tragic story.
Grandma gave her fucking Benadryl. The poor girl suffered while being suffocated, not being able to get help until she died.
This should be shown to all grandparents that believe “back in their day” and traditional bullshit.
My parents pulled this shit when they had their grandson (my step-brother's kid) visiting them. They don't believe that "lactose intolerance" is "real," so, despite all the warnings from the kid's parents, the first thing they did was take him for ice cream. Then they yelled at him and punished him when he shit himself. Then they gave in ice cream again. This was a cycle, and then they bitched that they never got any "alone time" with him again after that.
My daughter, now in her 20’s, has a severe dairy allergy and it has nothing to do with lactose. It’s infuriating for her because she will be presented with cheese or milky drinks (both of which she loves) and she has to tell people she can’t have it. They don’t understand why she can’t just take a lactose pill. Many think she’s making it up. The allergy has become progressively worse with age, but it was bad enough we figured it out when she was an infant. And we figured it out when my wife’s parents decided they wanted to be the first to give our daughter ice cream.
Ugh the "just take a lactose pill" crowd. I was sensitive to lactose because of Crohn's, Lactaids did nothing for me, but still got served the: "well just take Lactaids" when Intold people I would bring my own meal/buy my own foods when there was pizza partys
Saw a story of parents not believing this girl when she said shrimp made her feel sick, so behind her back they rubbed shrimp all over her food and utensils whenever she ate. Later, when she became an adult, she got a test and on the deathly allergic list was shrimp. I think she cut all ties with her parents or something.
Vegans don’t always retain the microbiome and enzymes they need to digest meat. OOP’s dad’s victim probably got an unexplained stomachache- not deadly, but still a shitty thing to inflict on someone.
My cousin's husband was raised vegan, and he kept getting sick after drinking a particular beer. Turns out part of that beer's manufacturing involved animal bladders. That was enough animal protein to trigger a reaction.
People can get sick just from eating meat when they haven't done so for a very long time. If they choose to eat meat again it really needs to be a gradual reintroduction rather than a slab of meat all at once.
Both of my older sons have nut allergies. They are 12 and 10 years old. My mother in law has known about their allergies since day one and she STILL doesn't remember this fact when making or offering them food. I am terrified of leaving them with her.
I’ve been vegan for over a decade. If I ate a real beef patty I would have explosive diarrhea at best. My body hasn’t processed it in a long time and would absolutely react.
I once got regular milk instead of oat and it was… bad. I now understand “white knuckles”.
That happened to my aunt. Shes a severe diabetic and asked for Diet Coke and they gave her full Coke because, admittedly, she is kind of Kareny. She got sick.
I worked with a vegan woman at a restaurant ages ago. It was religiously based, so no meat or meat byproducts her entire life. A cook mistakenly put chicken stock in something she ate, and she turned green and got so sick. We figured it out and the cook learned to be more careful. It was an accident, but we all learned that not everyone is the same when it comes to what they put in their bodies. I’m very respectful of allergies and food sensitivities, especially after that.
Also, "she still doesn't know"? Really? Every veggie and vegan I know gets major upset stomach if they eat meat. *If this really happened*, she definitely knew she ate meat within an hour of eating that burger.
I accidentally ate meat once after years without and I got a major stomach upset. I figured it was something I ate but I never thought it could be meat because I'd only eaten stuff labelled as vegan. I figured it was the rice or something. I would bet this girl was similar, she was indeed sick but she trusted this person so didn't even think to blame meat.
>d regular sodas when someone could be
so much this. my partner is a diabetic and i have alpha-gal, so the number of times someone puts cheese in a dish and then complain that i didnt touch it... like dairy will literally kill me, it doesnt just give me the shits, i will be destroying the can while having an anaphylaxis reaction at the same time.
there was a post like this recently on aita or one of those other advice subs. someone got a grandchild or nephew really sick, they had a serious dairy allergy and the OP thought it would be fine to use lactose free milk without asking or mentioning it.
kid got mega sick, family members are approaching no contact level anger with OP, and despite a huge thread where people tried to explain it to OP probably 50 different times, she still did not seem to grasp the concept that not everyone with dairy allergies is simply lactose intolerant.
i can find some understanding for the initial mistake, but the way she just continued to not understand such a basic concept after countless interactions with people trying to explain it to her was really really wild. her brain was like a brick wall. i dont get it.
Yep. We did it to a vegan friend by accident on a camping trip. It was years ago so I forget exactly how it happened but we cooked up some meat (burgers I think) in our skillet and a few mins later he asked to us to use the same skillet for his eggplant and we didn’t even think about the remaining meat juices in there, just said yeah sure.
He ended up getting pretty sick as he was raised vegan and had never had meat. It wasn’t till the next day we realized WHY he got sick. Oops.
I don't even understand the logic behind tricking people into eating meat. is it because they want to show vegans that meat tastes good? because I'm pretty sure most vegans understand that it tastes good but align with their morals over taste. one of my old partners had gout and if you gave him red meat he wouldn't be able to walk for the next week because he would be having an agonizing arthritis flare up. food tampering is unacceptable
It sounds to me like the dad works at or runs a food establishment. This place deserves to be shut down before they accidentally kill someone thinking it’s funny.
Yeah a lot of the listed reasons were silly, just don't fuck with peoples' food
Edit: "a violation of trust, morals, BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE" - what, like the law? You starting a 5 paragraph essay here?
I straight up heard Matthew Lillard’s voice when I read, “…but wait, there’s more.” Were you going for that or was it an infomercial reference? Great, now I need to go watch Scream. I haven’t seen that movie in a damn decade.
I have a friend whos vegan bc she was bitten by some tick that makes her allegic to red meats and dairy, if this was tried on her she would be dead
edit: Im not sure if itd actually kill her but like she'll fucking vomit her brains out so not exactly fun
I have this, I was bitten by a lone star tick. There's something in the saliva of the tick that is similar to the enzymes in red meat, your body decides to play it safe and say to hell with all of it. If I consume red meat my body gets really hot and I violently vomit everything in my stomach.
From Wikipedia (It's called Alpha-Gal syndrome because it reacts to Galactose-alpha-1,3-galactose) :
Healthcare providers recommend avoiding food products containing beef, pork, lamb, venison, rabbit, and offal to avoid triggering an allergic reaction. Some afflicted individuals are so hypersensitive to alpha-gal that the allergy can cross-react with mammalian gelatin and even some dairy products. Individuals with alpha-gal allergy do not need to become strict vegetarians because reptile meats, poultry and seafood naturally do not contain alpha-gal.
My grandpa had this. He was actually part of one of the first case studies on the subject.
One of his most important lessons: *Always check for ticks.*
There actually is a rare condition of reacting to red meat or sth like that.
Edit: https://www.cdc.gov/ticks/alpha-gal/index.html
Looks like it is the condition she’s talking about!
first place my mind went when reading the post. it’s also known as alpha gal syndrome, learned about it from my wife, who’s had patients with the condition
Yes, this happened to me. As soon as we discovered what was making me so sick, I went the way of the vegan diet. A lot of people still don’t believe meat allergy is a real thing.
Seriously. I think I've heard the whole "How do you know someone is a vegan? They will tell you lmaooo" like a hundred times more often than I actually had someone randomly tell me they're vegan. And I've literally never met any vegan who was being annoying about it or gave me a hard time for eating meat. Do these people actually exist, or is it just a strawman smug anti-vegans make up in their own head?
The scenario I’ve usually encountered is this:
- someone offers me some non-vegan food/drink
- I say ‘no thanks’
- they insist
- I decline again
- they ask why I won’t take it
- I say ‘I’m vegan’
- they do the whole “ohhhhhhhh all you vegans have to tell everyone all the time don’t you!”
That’s literally what happened to me when I went vegan lol. A friend said we should try some desserts at this new place and all I said was, I would have to check if they are vegan and without a break she went with “ooohh how do you know who’s vegan” shtick.
I have that I’m vegan in my dating profile, and I’ve had dozens of men message me specifically to say they love murdering animals and eating them and love the taste of flesh, etc etc.
How many people have I messaged to say I’m vegan? Zero. Cause it’s a fucking weird thing to do!
That can make people really sick! If you don't eat meat, the bacteria that helps break meat down dies off, inturn feeding a vegan or vegetarian meat could put them in a hospital, mistake or not you need to let them know what you fed them incase they need that Info for a doctor
I have been sent to the ER for that before, and still to this day I get “but you wouldn’t really notice if I put meat in there/cooked in animal fat.”
I might not notice but the hospital bill will
Also eating meat for the first time after not eating it can make you horribly sick. Your body needs to get used to eating meat again. Good job dad, you poisoned someone because…why?
Dontcha know? It makes your statement more impactful if you open with how much you detest the people you're defending.
Then everyone knows how good you are because you're stepping outside of your box, so you can stand on it.
/s
A guy i used to work with would make it a point to invite the Muslim guys we work with and feed them pork and alcohol. He did it because he told me he did not respect their religion...
As a vegan, I’m glad majority of ppl agree this is fucked up. Like imagine if someone fed u dog meat as a “prank.” That’s not a prank, that’s traumatic and infuriating.
This reminds me of the story of a cinema kiosk worker who said whenever a parent asked for diet soda for their kid, they would give them full sugar because the parents were overbearing and controlling.
Someone quickly pointed out that if you do that to a diabetic you could easily kill them, especially a kid.
I’d literally die if this happened to me. Not the hyperbolic overused “literally die” people use on the internet. I mean I’d literally go into anaphylactic shock and die without immediate medical attention
Plus, the tax subsidies for meat are obscene. Forcing others to pay for your food choices is morally wrong. If any of them actually believed in "small government" they would be outraged.
I don't, and will never get hating on vegans, they're the most innocent and sweet people you know, but no, "I want to convert them to eating meat like normal people" actually fuck off
As a meat eater, threads like this make me.wonder why vegans don't hate meat eaters even more. So many toxic fucking ass holes so offended by other's decision to not kill animals.
I always laughed at the "condescending vegan" trope. Not because it's true, but because it's all projection. People *constantly* judge vegans for their eating choices and quite honestly the vast majority of vegans/vegetarians I've encountered just want an option for them when we go out to eat and have never judged me for eating meat and dairy.
Not saying they don’t exist but they are *vastly* outnumbered by meat eaters who are complete assholes for no reason.
There's some old joke.... vegan pilot whatever ... "don't worry, they will tell you about it" punchline, etc. I've been exposed to countless many more mocking vegan flexes than vegan flexes in my life. The latter are almost nil. Surely dozens if not a hundred of the prior. I.e., total bullshit.
You know how many times I've heard "that's what food eats" if I get a salad for dinner at a group business meet or whatever? I'm sick of it.
BTW, I'm not vegan, vegetarian or even a non-beef eater. People flexing this way are just massive douche bags, and they should stop.
Agreed. I'm vegan. I don't police anyone about it — it's not my place, and I don't have one vegan friend. Doesn't bother me — people don't need to do what I do. I'm trying to do something that aligns with my ethics, but I just want people to do something that makes an impact in the world, whether it's an environmental thing, a civil rights thing...just do SOMETHING. And, yet, the number of people who have just picked on me or made jokes or given me a hard time for being vegan when I only even mentioned I was vegan because I couldn't eat something, is insane. Militant vegans do exist, but they're seriously a very small minority.
I once offered ice cream to a muslim child (I bought too many and they would have molten before I could have eaten them all) The mother almost took it until she remembered there is milk inside, so she could not take it or he could not eat it or something. I really felt guilty. I almost made someone eat something he couldn't
And then there are people like in the post. They make you eat godknowswhat and laugh about it.
Honest mistakes are fine. You weren't deliberately trying to feed someone something they had decided not to eat.
I accidentally ate meat because my dad forgot to label the containers and I forgot to check. I wasn't that bothered but my dad felt really bad.
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I worked with a Sikh guy once. We had a pizza night and we ordered a "vegetarian" pizza for him, he had never eaten pizza before, he was fresh from India. Super nice kid... well, the sauce had meat in it. I watched him pull the tiniest bit of ground beef (maybe pork) out of his mouth and he was just staring at it. I felt soooo fucking guilty. He looked horrified. It really bummed him out the whole night. It was sad. I let the pizza place know that was unacceptable and they were like "well meat is in the sauce so what do you want from us? Its vegetarian, not vegan". Maybe fucking don't list the pizza as a vegetarian option then??? If I read vegan then I assume the cheese is some sort of dairy alternative, if I read vegetarian then I assume there is no meat. If it's listed as "veggie pizza" then I would not have assumed vegetarian, but that it was just no meat. Man it sucked. And I'm realizing now, their vegan pizza probably also has meat in the sauce.
But.. meat sauce isn’t even vegetarian, they should just label it as “vegetable pizza”
(or even a little asterisk saying there's meat in the sauce)
“It’s vegetarian not vegan.” Umm… meat sauce is not vegetarian? What do they think vegetarian means? As a vegetarian, I always have to ask and it’s so sad. I’ve encountered meat sauce on pizza before. People laugh and look at me like I’m crazy when I ask if the cheese pizza is vegetarian, but you have to unfortunately. I’ve also encountered eggplant sandwiches where the batter has beef stock in it. Like why? The eggplant sandwich is the only “vegetarian” thing in the menu… ugh. Annoys me so much. One Italian place by me, the Alfredo is made with chicken stock and the marinara is made with meat stock. There are ZERO vegetarian options because of this. And people think I’m insane when I say there are none there when they want to go there. “Pasta with marinara is vegetarian!!” Not here, it’s not!
Who even puts meat sauce on pizza?
My first thought. Marinara doesn't have any meat in it.
My middle daughter has a milk protein allergy. She has had it since birth. She was admitted to the hospital at 7 days for failure to thrive because of it. One of the problems because of it is she cannot drink carbonated drinks. When she started kindergarten we explained this to the school and her teacher. Fast forward to the first class trip and they go to McDonald's. I expressed beforehand she HAS to have water. Only water. I literally pack her lunch everyday because of her food needs. The teacher is handing out sprites to every kid. My daughter at 5 says Ms E I can't drink that, bc of ... Teacher says, " we just won't tell mommy ok?". My daughter threw up all over her teachers shoes. Teacher was really mad. She is yelling at me at pick up I am paying for new shoes and I said was she given something other than water? This is what happens when you give her carbonation. Teacher goes completely white as she is caught in what she did. People with food allergies are not just being dramatic. My daughter gets in the car and says "mama I told her I couldn't drink anything but water". Advocating for herself since 5. Just don't screw with people's food.
Jesus. I don’t think I’d have been able to stop myself punching that teacher and I’m not even a parent. Like she had no idea how severe your daughter’s allergy is, she could’ve easily killed her doing something that stupid
Not to mention teaching five year olds to do stuff their parents told them not to do and then lie about it.
That's honestly so messed up.
We have a staunch policy of not keeping secrets from Mom and Dad ESPECIALLY if another adult tells our kids to keep it secret from us. 5 years in the making, my boys narc'd on their grandma for telling them to keep the extra dessert secret.
Yeah, I would‘ve lost it. I would’ve gone to the principal *and* the school board.
Bingo. Bitch would have been ✨jobless✨
What pisses me off is that the teacher got mad for a kid throwing up. And she's suited to teach little kids?
I never understood people who got mad at vomiting period. Voluntary vomiting is very rare and it’s not something most people can do easily to begin with. It’s like shaming someone for having a runny nose.
Why on earth would any teacher demand the parents to pay for new shoes even if the throwing up wasn't because of an allergy? I doubt anyone throws up on purpose
Vegans don't eat meat for many reasons, and most have nothing to do with flavor
and if they do, they’re probably not the ones eating meat replacement
Exactly. I've always loved the taste of burgers, just don't believe that an animal needs to die for me to eat it.
I am not vegan, but I really don't understand what people are trying to prove with this nonsense. I ve never heard a Vegan say that they don't eat meat because they dislike the taste, all the vegans I met had an understandable moral qualm with how animals are treated in the food industry so what the heck do these people think they have done by getting a vegan to admit that they liked some real meat based product?
I’m a meat eater. But imagine feeding another meat eater human meat in order to prove some sort of point. “How was your burger?” “Very tasty, thanks.” “Ahaa! It was people! Now maybe you won’t be opposed to cannibalism eh?” It’d be absolutely fucked.
Ah ha! You're opposed to murder but I manufactured a situation where your only option of survival was to kill another person, guess it's not so bad now huh?
"They are already dead. If you don't eat them it would be a waste. I thought all you anti cannibals were against wasting human life." "If people didn't eat people they wouldnt have a purpose and we wouldnt raise them for food. They should be greatfull we eat them or else there would be no point in raising them."
I think that's an extreme example but a fair one. - A vegan
No better example to prove a point than an extreme one
And predictably will always be met with "so you're equating those two things?"
Of course they're not equal - the cooking times are *completely* different. And that's just from person to person!
I will never understand people who hate vegans, like why are YOU mad that someone ELSE doesn’t eat meat?
Because it makes them confront their own moral failings and they don't like that.
The downright gross hivemind blanket hate for veganism is unironically part of what pushed me into considering and ultimately converting to it myself. Something about seeing the anti-vegans being the ones self righteously hateful against vegans for trying to do something they think more ethical put me down the path of realizing a lot more than just that. I also realized the anti-vegans are often the same ones that would hate on me for not being straight either. Idk how many times I heard cracks to the effect of "men who don't eat meat aren't real men / are probably gay / etc" growing up. And that fear of social judgement from them is the whole reason I suppressed my empathy for animals and made it conditional. Yada yada tl;dr, it's like it started a chain of dominoes falling with one very obvious end to it.
I’m not vegan but don’t eat meat because I can’t stand the texture of it. So it is absolutely possible some vegans don’t enjoy the texture or flavour. Tampering with food is next level fucked up and can literally kill someone. Why people are bothered about what others do with their lives I’ll never understand
Regardless of wether you like vegan or not, tampering with people’s food is next level messed up How many horror stories have we heard about people poisoning other family members with things they’re allergic too to “see if they’re actually allergic” or just straight up don’t believe allergies are real?
Dude I'm not deathly allergic to anything but I am an alcoholic and things like this really get me. I'll still visit bars for work events and things like that but I pay *close* attention to the bartender when they make my drink. There's been 3 separate occasions where a bartender mixed alcohol into my soda or whatever and I nearly drank it. Sure I wouldn't die of allergies but I guarantee my quality of life would take a serious tumble. Last time I slipped I went on a month long bender, got a 2nd DUI, and had one of the lowest points in my life. 5 years sober now, but the potential is still there if I start to drink.
Wait what??? Serving alcohol to someone who didn't specifically ask for it is the equivalent of drugging someone. I DD for my friends sometimes and I always order a soda, now you got me worrying x.x
I am guessing that they get so many vodka and tonic or some other variation X non alcoholic beverage and Y liquor that they occasionally reflexively start making X+Y when someone orders X.
Bingo! My go to drinks are a soda or soda water with lime. Every time it's happened to me it's been a busy night so my guess is the bartender just went into auto pilot and mixed an alcoholic drink. I mean it is a bar... I've learned to preface my order at any bar with "I'm DD'ing" or "I don't drink" so they know not to mix anything up. To be fair, a lot more people are going alcohol-free these days so it has gotten a lot better. Especially with NA options!
NA beers and actual mocktails on the menu is finally happening and long overdue. Up until recently in most cases your only option was some sort of soda if you weren't drinking (I very much dislike soda) or just plain water.
I know you're not really my ethnicity, and you're not looking for unsolicited advice but- You're making your ancestors proud. Keep on the current path. Many people, including my grandparents, have became addicted to alcohol. It's what they used to trap us. Stay alcohol free, and remember some of your ancestors weren't able to make that decision and died.
Appreciate it friend. Both my mom and dad's side of the family has multiple generations of alcoholics so I was born into a cycle of addiction. So grateful for the path I've been able to follow and the ability to break free from my "generational curse".
Continue the good path. Your children and grandchildren will thank you for it.
alcohol is evil. i’m a former heroin addict (clean 5 years) but have dated an alcoholic, and it sounds morbid but i was always thankful i ended up addicted to my drug of choice instead of his. i always told him, if heroin was advertised every single time i turned on the TV or if i could walk into a fucking grocery store to buy a bundle, i’d 100% have died a long time ago. i think all drugs should be legalized and regulated, but i totally understand why prohibition happened. alcohol is evil. edit: a lot of interesting replies, didn’t realize this would trigger such a strong response. clearly some people love their booze.
A family member crushed shrimp into my food.. twice... to test my "shellfish allergy". Almost died.. twice ... from anaphylaxis. Weeeeeeee
TWICE? They didn't believe it the first time???
Nope... reasoning given was "I just wanted to see for myself that it was not psychosomatic" while attempting to replicate the result to prove me wrong... Weeeeeee
What the actual fuck. Hope that family member no longer has any access to your food
They don't 
I hope it’s because they’re IN PRISON!
After I recovered I would test their allergy to cast iron.
>Nope... reasoning given was "**I just wanted to see for myself that it was not psychosomatic**" while attempting to replicate the result to prove me wrong... Weeeeeee I hope they told the police that when they gave their statement before being booked. What they did is unforgivable. You could have died, and just to satisfy their moronic curiosity..
It was a close family member who was raised with the notion that allergies were a figment of our imagination... as I found out only when these instances happened 
Shouldn’t they be charged with attempted murder or something
That's assault at least, or attempted murder. I would have seriously considered going full legal process on them. "I just wanted to see for myself if the legal system did work the way it said it did. oops, i guess you're in jail now." Far out.
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My first thought went to health. If you aren't used to eating meat, you're going to get sick as shit if someone slips you fucking beef.
Health is a serious concern. I remember a young woman a few years ago, her "friends" gave her something like real chicken nuggets? She got seriously ill and had to sue those fucking dipshits. I think of this kind of stuff every time the reddit circlejerk mocks vegans.
the whole concept of “whether you like vegan or not” is utterly bizarre. Meat eaters also eat veggies do they not? Surely meat eaters have some foods they don’t like or choose not to eat. Why is it such a thing to *hate* that other people also have food preferences? Who cares? How does this affect anyone in any way?
Legit if someone did this to me, I would be in hospital because of allergies. I’m not vegan by choice, some items of food will literally kill me. People like this are insane.
Oof. That one Reddit post about that little girl’s coconut allergy 😞
That's what I thought about, too. The dead child was a twin. I lost my sister when I was 7. You never recover from that type of loss. It's been 61 years and I still miss my Joyce.
I’m so sorry :(
Thank you. You miss them, always. You think, Joyce would've liked that. You get reminded of their favorite candy bar. You wonder what they would've thought about cell phones, things like that.
Exactly what I was thinking about. The grandmother just "knew better" and killed her granddaughter because she couldn't get it in her head: [Archive link](https://rareddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/7qmed5/you_can_come_over_again_when_you_bring_me_my) For people who can't read it: by user fuckyourcoconut in r/JUSTNOMIL on 2018-01-15 > Hello. I'm a first time poster, but I discovered this subreddit a few months ago. I was talking about this subreddit with my therapist and she gave me the homework of speaking out more about my story to see if it lessened my pain. I've written and deleted this post maybe 7 times now, but I think it's time to get it out. I've spoken English for 30 years, but it's not my first language and occasionally I use the wrong word because that's what the direct translation is, so I apologize in advance if I confuse anyone. This is going to be a long post as I'm a rambler and there is a lot of background involved. > > Trigger Warning: a MIL who doesn't believe in allergies and the price I paid for it. Child Death. > > This happened 12 years, 2 months, and 13 days ago on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005. My DH got married in 2002 and had our son 10 months later in the same year. In May 2004, we welcomed our twin girls. My family was beautiful. Every time I took a picture of us, we looked like the families in the stock photos you can google for. My DH is an engineer and I'm a college professor. We had a nice house in the city. Our children were healthy and happy. We even had a golden retriever named Argo as if we weren't the picture of familial happiness as is. I can no longer look at the pictures of us because it makes me too angry to. > > When my twin girls were born, we had no issues in the hospital. They were born right on their due date, latched perfectly, and passed all their postnatal tests with stellar stats. When we brought them home, however, we noticed that one of the girls, let's call her OD since she was a whole 4.5 minutes older than her sister, was developing a rash. I hadn't really dealt with allergies in kids since my son didn't have them and neither did any child or adult in my entire family. I wasn't sure what it was, I thought that maybe she just had sensitive skin like me. I can't tolerate certain fabrics because I have very dry skin and I'll often break out in rashes if my skin decides that it doesn't like something. So I stopped using fabric softener on all the clothes. I bought the nicest, most comfortable bedding and clothes. At one point, I even made her clothes myself in the fear that maybe something in the manufacturing process was upsetting my OD. We went to the doctor several times, and they knew that she was having an allergic reaction to something, but every test came back negative and we couldn't figure out what it was. It took 3 more months to figure it out. During that time, her allergic reactions got more and more severe. At one point, she was the only baby in the history of the hospital who had to be kept in a clean room because she seemed to have a reaction the minute she left. When that happened, we began an elimination therapy that would rival the lifestyle of Buddhist monks. My husband and moved our son and YD in with his parents because we needed to eliminate everything from our routine to figure out what was causing the reaction in our OD. We stopped using our soap, our shampoo, our deodorants, our laundry detergents, and that was before we even got to our diet. It took us 3 more months, but we figured it out. Our OD was allergic to coconut. The doctors told us that it was a particularly rare allergen and so it wasn't on any of the skin test panels they ran. When we found out what she was allergic, we were relieved, so so relived. But in addition to feeling relieved, I delved into a bought of hysterical laughter. I laughed so hard I cried and to this day, my DH tells me that he didn't know if I was crying from relief or pure happiness. > > You see, I come from a culture that uses coconut almost religiously. It's in our cooking, we break a coconut open at religious events, it's used in almost all sweets, it's in everything. The reason I was laughing was because of how much I hated one particular use for coconut. When I was a kid, pretty much up until I was in the 8th class, my mother would put coconut oil in my hair all the time. It looked greasy as hell, I hated it, and once I was old enough to start doing my own hair, I never put that stuff in my hair again. I was laughing so hard because of course I had a daughter with a severe allergy to the one thing I hated my entire life. We had a lot of fun telling people about her allergy and everyone laughed because they all knew about my hatred for coconut oil. > > We told my mother and she laughed as well. She made jokes about how my baby must have heard me talking about my hatred for coconut oil while she was still cooking inside me and decided that she needed to hate it too. We all had a good laugh and left it at that. > > Or so I thought. > > My mother and I have always had a.... contentious relationship at best. We got along well enough, but we disagreed vehemently on certain topics. She wanted a traditional daughter who would be religious, get her MRS degree, marry a man that she and my father picked out (common where I'm from), have 2 kids, a house in the suburbs near her, and be a stay at home mom like her. I'm not religious in the slightest, I got 2 undergraduate degrees, went on to get a masters, and a PhD, didn't get married until 27 (late in my culture), and I married a man who was the polar opposite of what my parents wanted. As if this wasn't enough, I was a working mom who didn't need her to babysit since my husband and I made more than enough for a part time nanny. > > Essentially, the best way I can summarize our relationship is by saying that she was very proud of me and loved to talk about my accomplishments, but I could always tell that she wished I was something else. We have a fair amount of "safe" topics that we can talk about, but I could never discuss anything too serious with her such as politics or my career. Not because she'd get mad at me, but more so because she just wasn't interested and I hate getting into conversations where I'm passionate about something, but the other person could care less. > > As far as raising my kids, my mother was a JustYes 99.9% of the time. She was hands off, and respected all of my decisions, even if she didn't like them sometimes (ex: I chose not to raise my kids religiously, but I still took them to community events so they could understand their roots and my mother never pushed them to pray). > > The only thing she continually got on my case about was the coconut oil thing. You see, my girls has very textured and curly hair. We don't really know where they got it from considering my husband and I have pin straight hair that won't even hold a paperclip in it without slipping. I loved it. It was a little on the rough side and my mother always insisted that a little bit of oil would make the curls soft and more defined. I always said no. Sure, we could have used a different type of oil, but my girls were still so young and the allergy process had made me terrified of incorporating new things into their routine. I made sure I explained why to my mom too. She remembered what we'd gone through with OD and her allergy. She brought me food and clothes at the hospitals more than a few times. She helped me move all of my furniture and clothes out of my house when I was eliminating every possible source of allergen. She taught me how to cook from scratch when I was eliminating certain foods from the kids' diet. She knew everything about OD's struggle. To this day I cannot understand how she did what happened next. Continued in the next comment
fuck, i regret reading that....
Same, there goes my good mood for the night I guess
> November 2nd, 2005: > > I was giving a midterm that day to my students and I had to be at my research lab late that night. My DH was away at some conference and our nanny was down with the flu so she couldn't watch the kids that day. So I had my mom come take them for the day. My son was almost 3 years old and the girls were a year and half old. Overnight visits with my parents weren't exactly common, but they weren't unusual either. They had always come back from these visits very happy and well taken care of so I had no second thoughts about leaving them with my parents. They spoke to me on the phone after their lunch and then, around 5PM, we videochatted. The kids were all so happy and healthy. I got home around 10:30PM that night and called my mom to see if the kids were up by any chance and I could say good night. I missed the kids by about 20 minutes, they'd already gone to bed. So I talked to my mom for a little bit, but she's a pretty early sleeper too so we hung up and went to bed. I woke up around 5AM the next morning to go pick up my husband from the airport at 6. We were going to get breakfast together and then go pick up the kids. I picked up DH and neither one of us was very hungry yet, so we thought it'd be a nice treat to pick up the kids first and go to breakfast/brunch with my parents. We got to my parents' house at 7:45AM. My parents weren't there. My son was at the neighbor's house, and ran outside with the neighbor as soon as he saw his daddy and I pull up. He was hysterical and crying and I couldn't calm him down. My blood pressure was rising because now I'm thinking that something horrible had happened to my parents. My neighbor tells me that she isn't sure what's happening, but there was an ambulance at my parents' house at 6AM and my dad had run over and woken them up to see if they could watch my son for a few hours until he got back. Of course they'd said yes. > > I'm calling my parents nonstop at this point and I'm getting frantic because I don't know what's happened. My son was still crying but he was calmer. He still couldn't really explain to me what had happened though. I honestly don't remember the details of what happened next, but somehow we figured out that the ambulance was from X hospital nearby and we broke several driving laws trying to get there. We got to the hospital, pulled into the emergency entrance that was for ambulances only, left the car and bolted inside. A few nurses took notice of us immediately and were asking us what was wrong. I was calmer than my DH at this point, so I explained that I didn't know, but my twin girls and my parents were here somewhere. I'll never forget the look on that nurse's face. She knew exactly who I was in that moment and she was about to cry. Another nurse took me and my DH to an empty room and asked us to calm down and listen to the doctor before we went to find my family. > > My mother had put coconut oil in both my daughters' hair when they were playing the previous day before bed. The girls loved it when my mom did their hair and so they had asked for braids and my mom was doing their hair. She put coconut oil in both their hair because it would make for smoother braids. According to my son, OD started to get a little dizzy and itchy when my mom was doing her hair so my mom gave her some kids benadryl which made her sleepy. Since it was close to bedtime anyways, the kids then went to bed. Giving her benadryl was something we did whenever she had a mild reaction since it usually meant she accidentally came across some coconut from a secondary source. We also showered her from head to toe immediately to erase any lingering traces of it. My mother simply gave her some benadryl and kept the coconut oil in her hair and put her to fucking sleep. The benadryl made her sleepy and unable to wake up or be conscious enough to wake up her brother or cry. She vomited in her sleep and the rash spread all over. Her little body was swollen to twice the size. She had asphyxiated in her sleep. She died painfully and slowly in the early hours of the morning. > > My mother had found her when she went to check on the kids in the morning around 7AM. She was already dead by then. My mother screamed, called for my dad, and that's when they'd gone to the hospital. My dad hadn't known about the coconut oil until my mom explained and to this day, I've never seen my father so angry. He was still unable to look at my mother, out of fury, or me, out of shame, when I saw him at the hospital. They had rushed to the hospital hoping there was some way to save my OD and to get my YD checked out immediately since he thought she might have a mild allergy as well. > > I can't even explain to you the emotions my DH and I felt. I remember seeing my little girl and just being in denial. There was no way that she was gone. This had to be a horrible, horrible nightmare. The following days, the funeral, and explaining to my other kids what had happened are events I still can't talk about because it just breaks a part of me. > > My mother was investigated, as was my entire family. I almost lost my kids to my country's version of CPS once because they thought my kids were in danger. My DH and I had to fight tooth and nail to show that uprooting them during this time would be the worst thing for them at the moment. > > My mother was never arrested. My father did leave her, though they're not officially divorced. The majority of my mother's family refuse to speak to her, and the few that do speak to her only do so on a limited basis. She currently lives on her own in a small town and every couple months I'll get a call from her telling me how sorry she is and how she just wasn't thinking and can I please find a way to forgive her. She wants to come see me. The only thing I can find to ever say to her is "You can come see me when you bring my daughter with you." > > It's been 13 years. OS just got his license this year and YD is going to start high school soon. Both of them are healthy and they're turning into amazing adults, but neither one has been the same since OD passed. OS is extremely protective of YS and doesn't allow anyone to breathe rudely in his presence. YS used to be so bubbly and such a talkative little child, but she's quiet now. When she does speak, it takes some effort to hear her because she's so quiet. She told me a few years ago that she knows she was only a baby when it happened, but she feels incomplete all the time, like a part of her is missing. I didn't know what to say to her. > > If it weren't for my DH, I don't think I could have ever recovered from the loss of my daughter. We have helped each other through the loss. > > It's taken over a decade of therapy to even get to this point. I don't know what I expect to get out of typing all of this out, but I've seen how much comfort this subreddit brings other posters, so hopefully I find some of the same peace. > > Thank you for reading.
Wasn't expecting to cry through my lunch break. Fuckeroooo
Is there ANY chance this is just a cautionary tale and didn't actually happen? 😔 I am gutted.
I hope it didn't happen, but it's very well possible. Chris Watts's own mother tried to murder her granddaughters with nuts before he killed them and their mother, so it does happen.
Unbelievable. My mother-in-law is like that so I basically have to supervise whenever they play together with my daughter. We never intend to leave the baby with her alone ever. Nothing gets in her head, unfortunately, and she always knows better.
Agreed, when I was a vegan teen my grandmother used to purposefully feed me dairy, lie about it, then gleefully tell me I had just consumed dairy. It would have been great if she sat me down and said she was worried about how I was eating, worried I wouldn't get proper nutrients etc, but pulling that shady shit just made me not trust her, be angry at her, and push me further into the lifestyle to "fight back".
The coconut oil story, the fucking coconut oil story
I am very allergic to sesame seeds. So there is a sweet very famous in our region made using these. I couldn't even bear the smell of them even when I was a kid. So my mother forcefully tried to feed it to me and the results were very harsh. I puked so much that day. So that's how my mother got to know "allergies are real"
I really don't get that. Why would you not believe someone is allergic? Why would someone bother to lie about that. I don't understand
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I'm allergic to a lot of vegetables (the entire cruciferous vegetables family). The allergy developed in my early twenties, likely caused by a very strong pollen allergy. I've had two people (my mother and a friend) slip them into my food because "it's just an excuse, you just don't want to eat your greens." I spent the entire evening throwing up both times. The reason they didn't believe me is because they were sure the reason I don't eat salad is because I'm fat, not because I could be allergic to an ingredient in it. 🙄
Personally, I'm not vegan but my GI tract is making me so. Meat keep hurting my gut making life unpleasant while its processing. So I get vegan alternatives a lot of the time so I don't just live in pain. If I paid for a veggie burger and got delivered a fucking meat burger, I'd be really upset.
This is me. It’s not that I CAN’T or DON’T eat meat, I just simply choose not to because I get gerd if I eat too much.
It’s 100% possible to be allergic to meat protein. I have some odd allergies that people don’t expect. I can only eat certain types of lunch meat (like the all natural brands) unless I cook them into a grilled cheese.
Alpha-Gal Not saying this is your specific issue but what you shared made me think of Alpha-Gal, a tick bite can make you allergic to red meat(cow pork, venison, rabbit, lamb as well as productsmade from these animals) not to mention most gel caplets or gelatin is derived from bovine.
This is the case with my bestie. She had IBS and Multiple Sclerosis. When she went vegan, her IBS went away and she went into remission for MS. People who struggle like this will try a bunch of diets, and a fair amount of people get relief from going vegan. As far as restrictive diets go, “vegan” is well supported with cookbooks and relatively easy to follow nowadays.
Yeah, it really doesn't feel restrictive at all. The worst part of eating vegan (for me) is rude comments from ignorant people.
I am allergic to mammal meat. Mainly pork. It messes with my stomach and, if I eat it, 2 hours later I either have diarrhea or vomit. I want to punch all the people who say I'm just a picky eater because I don't have to give satisfaction about my medical condition to everyone who makes eating meat a personality trait to compensate for his fragile masculinity.
Similar situation for my brother-in-law. It is not really painful but one to three days of annoying digestive problems. On the plus side - at least for me: He likes cooking and is good at it, so I get to be a beneficiary regarding many creative ideas for meatless cooking. His Christmas dinner was simply brilliant - and that is the part that baffles me the most about those militant anti-vegan/vegetarian people. I do eat meat but why would I reject a meatless dish simply because it has no meat? How can anyone be so hateful to refuse to enjoy a great meal? While trying to hurt others for no reason, they are robbing themselves of pleasures which would be so simple to achieve.
One of the best quotes I've heard appears at the end of a "Your Old Droog" track. It's simply says "The most important thing you can do with your life is not interfere with anyone elses life"
Good advice.
Thing is, most of us never even needed this advice. It's a conclusion we make based on a general sense of morals. Sadly not everyone's brain works this way.
Do unto others as others have done unto you. -A crab somewhere
“Do unto others before they do unto me.” -Igor
Like a fucking human neutrino. Don't interact with matter.
You can make people sick this way. Messing with food is a no-go. Same with people who switch diet and regular sodas when someone could be diabetic, or add nuts when they don’t believe someone has a nut allergy. Edit: Lots of people have already explained about people who have exclusively eaten vegan diets for a year or two are missing an enzyme to break down meat, which will lead them to getting sick when eating meat. We know now, no need to repeat it _again_.
I never would’ve believed it until it happened to me, but I developed a legit meat (beef primarily) allergy. Consuming beef and dairy products will make me sick for days. If someone switched up my food on me, it would be pretty malicious. ETA: I did switch to a vegan diet due to a tick-induced animal protein allergy (alpha gal) It honestly was probably life-saving for me.
There was a statistic of southern people, mostly grandparents.That killed their grandkids because they didn't believe in allergies. Years ago, it was something like 25+ kids a year die. That's an outrageous number for something that doesn't need to happen at all. Edit: apologies for "southern people" I just remember that most of the deaths took place in various south states. Texas, Georgia and of course Florida.
I remember reading a story somewhere on Reddit about a grandmother who put coconut oil in the grandkid’s hair despite being told that the child is very allergic to coconut oil. The child almost died.
I remember that story. The child did die. Everyone disowned the grandma. Grandpa even divorced her over it.
And rightly so. Dumbass literally ignored the most important thing about her grandchild and killed them
Ummm. Isn't that called murder?
Manslaughter, probably
The child did die in a painful drawn out way. The mother has requested people to stop posting the link due to being re traumatized when it becomes popular again.
>!It was in JUSTNOMIL and I believe the child did die. The parents had another child and when the MIL asked when she would get to see the new baby, the OP responded “When you bring back my dead child”.!< Edit: The link doesn’t work well and the OOP doesn’t want it spread so I deleted the link and spoiler tagged the rest of my post.
I think she was actually OP's mother, not MIL. They were a pair of twins, she soaked their hair in the coconut oil, gave benadryl*** to the allergic one and sent them to sleep. Edit: not tylenol
Yeah, I misremembered some of the details. The other kids were already born, it was her mother, not MIL. She did deliver the line about never seeing her mother until she could bring her child back to life.
That was such a sad read, when I first read what people were saying I was hoping that maybe she just didn't explain that the child had an allergy... Damn that woman should be in jail for doing that to a kid, why do people still refuse to believe in allergies?! Literally less than a month ago I yelled at my grandma for downplaying the allergies of my sister...
That is so sad. I think it's an older generation thing, the "WE didn't have allergies, people are snowflakes now" mentality. I had to really go off on my mom when my oldest was little, she WOULD NOT take it seriously that he has a nut allergy.
Weirdly enough my 'Boomer' grandmother gets this. When we talk about mental illnesses she understands "we didn't have that back in my day" is actually "we didn't understand that back in my day." My 'Silent' Grandfather, however, uses "not back in my day" a lot. (Quotes because those are their actual generations, not just "MaH bOoMeR nAn!")
Look at shell shock. We now know it’s PTSD and don’t know everything about it still, but our understanding is much more comprehensive than back then.
People get old enough now to become ‘snowflakes’ rather than dying of crib death or an unspecified chest congestion (aka asthma or anaphylaxis) before they were a year old.
This. Overwhelmingly, when someone talks about X not being an issue back at some point in the past, it coincides with early childhood mortality being way the fuck higher. Especially true with antivaxers going off about how we got by for centuries without vaccines. Go visit an old timey grave yard sometime and see the waves of dead kids and babies.
Survivorship bias? Kinda like that story about US planes from I think WWII? coming back with many bullet holes in the wings. Originally they wanted to reinforce the wing areas bc it clearly took the most damage. But then they hired some European engineer who took one look and said to reinforce the main body of the planes. They asked why? There’s hardly any damage in those areas. The engineer said, these are the planes that made it back, the ones that didn’t would have been hit in the main body.
sorry to ruin your day, but the child did, in fact, die
Unfortunately, the child did die, and it was posted by the mother of the child. I also remember them being from India so coconut oils are abundant and culturally significant there. I can't imagine spending all those years to get her away from that only to be handed over by your own mother.
Right. She even put the child to sleep because I think they weren't calming down or something? Instead of taking them to the ER or calling the parents? Tragic story.
Grandma gave her fucking Benadryl. The poor girl suffered while being suffocated, not being able to get help until she died. This should be shown to all grandparents that believe “back in their day” and traditional bullshit.
My parents pulled this shit when they had their grandson (my step-brother's kid) visiting them. They don't believe that "lactose intolerance" is "real," so, despite all the warnings from the kid's parents, the first thing they did was take him for ice cream. Then they yelled at him and punished him when he shit himself. Then they gave in ice cream again. This was a cycle, and then they bitched that they never got any "alone time" with him again after that.
My daughter, now in her 20’s, has a severe dairy allergy and it has nothing to do with lactose. It’s infuriating for her because she will be presented with cheese or milky drinks (both of which she loves) and she has to tell people she can’t have it. They don’t understand why she can’t just take a lactose pill. Many think she’s making it up. The allergy has become progressively worse with age, but it was bad enough we figured it out when she was an infant. And we figured it out when my wife’s parents decided they wanted to be the first to give our daughter ice cream.
Ugh the "just take a lactose pill" crowd. I was sensitive to lactose because of Crohn's, Lactaids did nothing for me, but still got served the: "well just take Lactaids" when Intold people I would bring my own meal/buy my own foods when there was pizza partys
I got hospitalised once because my gran was looking after me and didn’t believe in asthma. Bit of a weird one that.
You need a l Survived My Grandparents shirt.
"Allergies ain't real or they would be in the Bible!"
If someone ever actually says that, tell them to read up on wormwood
Not believing in allergies is the dumbest thing I read this week! Wtf. Poor kids.
Saw a story of parents not believing this girl when she said shrimp made her feel sick, so behind her back they rubbed shrimp all over her food and utensils whenever she ate. Later, when she became an adult, she got a test and on the deathly allergic list was shrimp. I think she cut all ties with her parents or something.
Yep, my sister is allergic to red meat, this could kill her
Vegans don’t always retain the microbiome and enzymes they need to digest meat. OOP’s dad’s victim probably got an unexplained stomachache- not deadly, but still a shitty thing to inflict on someone.
My cousin's husband was raised vegan, and he kept getting sick after drinking a particular beer. Turns out part of that beer's manufacturing involved animal bladders. That was enough animal protein to trigger a reaction.
If that beer was Guinness, tell him they stopped using isinglass a few years ago.
I have people give me wheat after I tell them I have celiacs.
People can get sick just from eating meat when they haven't done so for a very long time. If they choose to eat meat again it really needs to be a gradual reintroduction rather than a slab of meat all at once.
Both of my older sons have nut allergies. They are 12 and 10 years old. My mother in law has known about their allergies since day one and she STILL doesn't remember this fact when making or offering them food. I am terrified of leaving them with her.
I’ve been vegan for over a decade. If I ate a real beef patty I would have explosive diarrhea at best. My body hasn’t processed it in a long time and would absolutely react. I once got regular milk instead of oat and it was… bad. I now understand “white knuckles”.
That happened to my aunt. Shes a severe diabetic and asked for Diet Coke and they gave her full Coke because, admittedly, she is kind of Kareny. She got sick.
I worked with a vegan woman at a restaurant ages ago. It was religiously based, so no meat or meat byproducts her entire life. A cook mistakenly put chicken stock in something she ate, and she turned green and got so sick. We figured it out and the cook learned to be more careful. It was an accident, but we all learned that not everyone is the same when it comes to what they put in their bodies. I’m very respectful of allergies and food sensitivities, especially after that.
Also, "she still doesn't know"? Really? Every veggie and vegan I know gets major upset stomach if they eat meat. *If this really happened*, she definitely knew she ate meat within an hour of eating that burger.
I accidentally ate meat once after years without and I got a major stomach upset. I figured it was something I ate but I never thought it could be meat because I'd only eaten stuff labelled as vegan. I figured it was the rice or something. I would bet this girl was similar, she was indeed sick but she trusted this person so didn't even think to blame meat.
>d regular sodas when someone could be so much this. my partner is a diabetic and i have alpha-gal, so the number of times someone puts cheese in a dish and then complain that i didnt touch it... like dairy will literally kill me, it doesnt just give me the shits, i will be destroying the can while having an anaphylaxis reaction at the same time.
there was a post like this recently on aita or one of those other advice subs. someone got a grandchild or nephew really sick, they had a serious dairy allergy and the OP thought it would be fine to use lactose free milk without asking or mentioning it. kid got mega sick, family members are approaching no contact level anger with OP, and despite a huge thread where people tried to explain it to OP probably 50 different times, she still did not seem to grasp the concept that not everyone with dairy allergies is simply lactose intolerant. i can find some understanding for the initial mistake, but the way she just continued to not understand such a basic concept after countless interactions with people trying to explain it to her was really really wild. her brain was like a brick wall. i dont get it.
Yep. We did it to a vegan friend by accident on a camping trip. It was years ago so I forget exactly how it happened but we cooked up some meat (burgers I think) in our skillet and a few mins later he asked to us to use the same skillet for his eggplant and we didn’t even think about the remaining meat juices in there, just said yeah sure. He ended up getting pretty sick as he was raised vegan and had never had meat. It wasn’t till the next day we realized WHY he got sick. Oops.
I know people who can't eat meat for medical reasons, thas just fucked up
My fucking DOG can't eat meat because of medical reasons.
I don't even understand the logic behind tricking people into eating meat. is it because they want to show vegans that meat tastes good? because I'm pretty sure most vegans understand that it tastes good but align with their morals over taste. one of my old partners had gout and if you gave him red meat he wouldn't be able to walk for the next week because he would be having an agonizing arthritis flare up. food tampering is unacceptable
I'm with pad thai on this one. Have whatever opinion on veganism, but don't do shit like this.
This has little to do with veganism, it is plain disrespect. Ppl like this dad deserve as much respect as they give to others.
It sounds to me like the dad works at or runs a food establishment. This place deserves to be shut down before they accidentally kill someone thinking it’s funny.
It’s also illegal in all 50 states so if she’s a us citizen…
Yeah a lot of the listed reasons were silly, just don't fuck with peoples' food Edit: "a violation of trust, morals, BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE" - what, like the law? You starting a 5 paragraph essay here?
I straight up heard Matthew Lillard’s voice when I read, “…but wait, there’s more.” Were you going for that or was it an infomercial reference? Great, now I need to go watch Scream. I haven’t seen that movie in a damn decade.
Food tampering is literally a felony
I’m pretty sure it’s civil battery too.
I have a friend whos vegan bc she was bitten by some tick that makes her allegic to red meats and dairy, if this was tried on her she would be dead edit: Im not sure if itd actually kill her but like she'll fucking vomit her brains out so not exactly fun
I have this, I was bitten by a lone star tick. There's something in the saliva of the tick that is similar to the enzymes in red meat, your body decides to play it safe and say to hell with all of it. If I consume red meat my body gets really hot and I violently vomit everything in my stomach.
What about other types of meat, and what about fishes, molluscs, eggs, cheese, etc? Genuinely curious
From Wikipedia (It's called Alpha-Gal syndrome because it reacts to Galactose-alpha-1,3-galactose) : Healthcare providers recommend avoiding food products containing beef, pork, lamb, venison, rabbit, and offal to avoid triggering an allergic reaction. Some afflicted individuals are so hypersensitive to alpha-gal that the allergy can cross-react with mammalian gelatin and even some dairy products. Individuals with alpha-gal allergy do not need to become strict vegetarians because reptile meats, poultry and seafood naturally do not contain alpha-gal.
“Reptile meat” oh thank fuck I’d be devastated if I couldn’t have my iguana bits.
I wish this sub allowed image replies because I really want to post the photo of Jeff Bezos eating a whole fucking iguana
I didn’t know that this was a thing. New fear unlocked.
Lone star disease. It’s wild
My grandpa had this. He was actually part of one of the first case studies on the subject. One of his most important lessons: *Always check for ticks.*
From what I can find, lone star is the name of the tick, Alpha-gal syndrome is what the tick gives you that makes you allergic to meat
The plus is the prognosis for many is that the allergy lessens over time and those who wish to eat meat can again do so.
the fun thing is that since winters have been so mild, the range of the lone star tick is expanding further and further north
There actually is a rare condition of reacting to red meat or sth like that. Edit: https://www.cdc.gov/ticks/alpha-gal/index.html Looks like it is the condition she’s talking about!
first place my mind went when reading the post. it’s also known as alpha gal syndrome, learned about it from my wife, who’s had patients with the condition
Yes, this happened to me. As soon as we discovered what was making me so sick, I went the way of the vegan diet. A lot of people still don’t believe meat allergy is a real thing.
And they say that vegans are the ones pushing their eating style on everyone...
For every smug vegan there are about 1000 smug meat eaters who feel the need to constantly belittle vegans
Seriously. I think I've heard the whole "How do you know someone is a vegan? They will tell you lmaooo" like a hundred times more often than I actually had someone randomly tell me they're vegan. And I've literally never met any vegan who was being annoying about it or gave me a hard time for eating meat. Do these people actually exist, or is it just a strawman smug anti-vegans make up in their own head?
The scenario I’ve usually encountered is this: - someone offers me some non-vegan food/drink - I say ‘no thanks’ - they insist - I decline again - they ask why I won’t take it - I say ‘I’m vegan’ - they do the whole “ohhhhhhhh all you vegans have to tell everyone all the time don’t you!”
That’s literally what happened to me when I went vegan lol. A friend said we should try some desserts at this new place and all I said was, I would have to check if they are vegan and without a break she went with “ooohh how do you know who’s vegan” shtick.
I have that I’m vegan in my dating profile, and I’ve had dozens of men message me specifically to say they love murdering animals and eating them and love the taste of flesh, etc etc. How many people have I messaged to say I’m vegan? Zero. Cause it’s a fucking weird thing to do!
That can make people really sick! If you don't eat meat, the bacteria that helps break meat down dies off, inturn feeding a vegan or vegetarian meat could put them in a hospital, mistake or not you need to let them know what you fed them incase they need that Info for a doctor
This would've sent me to the ER, I cannot digest meat
I have been sent to the ER for that before, and still to this day I get “but you wouldn’t really notice if I put meat in there/cooked in animal fat.” I might not notice but the hospital bill will
Also eating meat for the first time after not eating it can make you horribly sick. Your body needs to get used to eating meat again. Good job dad, you poisoned someone because…why?
I love how many people have to comment that they hate vegans or "I'm anti vegan but..." Never change, Reddit
Dontcha know? It makes your statement more impactful if you open with how much you detest the people you're defending. Then everyone knows how good you are because you're stepping outside of your box, so you can stand on it. /s
These people would be pissed off if she had secretly given his father a veggie burger but claimed it was real.
*flips grill and sets house on fire* FUCKING… VEGETABLES?!? WHAT KIND OF EMASCULATING LIBERAL SHIT IS THIS?!
Dad is a POS
A guy i used to work with would make it a point to invite the Muslim guys we work with and feed them pork and alcohol. He did it because he told me he did not respect their religion...
If he did that to me I would become severely ill. I’m not a vegan but I cannot eat red meat of any kind.
My father is vegan to keep his diabetes under control.
Imagine having such fragile masculinity that another autonomous human being deciding not to eat meat challenges your very existence
As a vegan, I’m glad majority of ppl agree this is fucked up. Like imagine if someone fed u dog meat as a “prank.” That’s not a prank, that’s traumatic and infuriating.
Knew a guy who was allergic to beef. This would have killed him in minutes
Same goes for giving full fat sodas instead of requested diet soda; it’s not always vanity reasons - some of us have diabetes
Mary’s dad is a piece of shit…end of thread
This reminds me of the story of a cinema kiosk worker who said whenever a parent asked for diet soda for their kid, they would give them full sugar because the parents were overbearing and controlling. Someone quickly pointed out that if you do that to a diabetic you could easily kill them, especially a kid.
I’d literally die if this happened to me. Not the hyperbolic overused “literally die” people use on the internet. I mean I’d literally go into anaphylactic shock and die without immediate medical attention
Yeah it’s vegans always “shoving their morals down everyone’s throats” while meat eaters are literally shoving meat down others throats.
Plus, the tax subsidies for meat are obscene. Forcing others to pay for your food choices is morally wrong. If any of them actually believed in "small government" they would be outraged.
I don't, and will never get hating on vegans, they're the most innocent and sweet people you know, but no, "I want to convert them to eating meat like normal people" actually fuck off
How dare people want to avoid killing animals for food and clothing!!!
As a meat eater, threads like this make me.wonder why vegans don't hate meat eaters even more. So many toxic fucking ass holes so offended by other's decision to not kill animals.
I always laughed at the "condescending vegan" trope. Not because it's true, but because it's all projection. People *constantly* judge vegans for their eating choices and quite honestly the vast majority of vegans/vegetarians I've encountered just want an option for them when we go out to eat and have never judged me for eating meat and dairy. Not saying they don’t exist but they are *vastly* outnumbered by meat eaters who are complete assholes for no reason.
There's some old joke.... vegan pilot whatever ... "don't worry, they will tell you about it" punchline, etc. I've been exposed to countless many more mocking vegan flexes than vegan flexes in my life. The latter are almost nil. Surely dozens if not a hundred of the prior. I.e., total bullshit. You know how many times I've heard "that's what food eats" if I get a salad for dinner at a group business meet or whatever? I'm sick of it. BTW, I'm not vegan, vegetarian or even a non-beef eater. People flexing this way are just massive douche bags, and they should stop.
Agreed. I'm vegan. I don't police anyone about it — it's not my place, and I don't have one vegan friend. Doesn't bother me — people don't need to do what I do. I'm trying to do something that aligns with my ethics, but I just want people to do something that makes an impact in the world, whether it's an environmental thing, a civil rights thing...just do SOMETHING. And, yet, the number of people who have just picked on me or made jokes or given me a hard time for being vegan when I only even mentioned I was vegan because I couldn't eat something, is insane. Militant vegans do exist, but they're seriously a very small minority.
I once offered ice cream to a muslim child (I bought too many and they would have molten before I could have eaten them all) The mother almost took it until she remembered there is milk inside, so she could not take it or he could not eat it or something. I really felt guilty. I almost made someone eat something he couldn't And then there are people like in the post. They make you eat godknowswhat and laugh about it.
>I really felt guilty. You shouldn't. Islam doesn't punish you for making an honest mistake with food.
Honest mistakes are fine. You weren't deliberately trying to feed someone something they had decided not to eat. I accidentally ate meat because my dad forgot to label the containers and I forgot to check. I wasn't that bothered but my dad felt really bad.