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Aww Europe gets people trying to fuck their cats? All the US got was Bill O Reilly claiming gay marriage would make people want to marry and fuck ducks
people are still falling for it man. People have pulled kids out our local school smach dab in bible belt ga bc they are convinced our local school is buying up cat litter
Do you know why that was even a thing? It was contingency planning. In case of school shootings, if your child was hiding and had to go to the bathroom.
Anything to take the conversation off guns!
Edit: Here:https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439
You mean the US (conservative media: FOX, OAN, NewsMax, etc) made up a bullshit story that made the other grifting pretend conservatives talk about it. We are being eaten alive by scam artists that will say anything to get dollars.
Hey, don’t leave out kids suddenly and potentially identifying as cats and wanting to replace toilets with cat litter in the classrooms. (I forgot which jackass said that)
Totally unrelated to the topic at hand, but this guy and his sister's story is actually quite interesting. [Here's](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-sixteenth-minute-of-fame-172216473/episode/hide-your-kids-hide-your-wife-174095972/) the first part of a 1.5 hour-long podcast about them, including an extended interview with the man himself
Okay, so, as an actual resident of the greater Grand Rapids, MI area, Jamie is innocent. Of these allegations, at least. Robert is just doing another slander.
"These people...these people, they're after your cats. It's true. They're after your cats. They'll do things to them. If we let them in, they'll do things to them."
Yeah this was really important information that we the citizens should know.
How much do you think they pay per cat? Or is it per hour? Do they have preferred breeds? If so, how much does my black cat/white paws fetch?
I NEED ANSWERS DAMMIT
Seems that large parts of the Tory party would feel perfectly at home on Rassemblement Nationale or Vox….but because the Tory part had gone from centre right to right/hard right no one bats an eye.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
Reminder that George HW Bush's dad was part of a plot to overthrow American democracy because Roosevelt made some concessions to avert a socialist revolution.
And also a big reason we weren't on the other side of WWII was because of a radicalized general that we don't learn about in history class because he became a socialist after that.
Indeed, but one should remember the context of that support.
Socialists and communists of the time were talking about creating a world in which aristocrats did not exist, while Nazis and fascists weren't. Between the two extremes, aristocrats preferred the latter, and Nazis really sucked up to aristocrats too.
The Tory party reformed the migration system to be much more open after Brexit, they have increased net migration from 300k a year to 700k a year just in the last five years. Net migration is now 15 times higher than it was 30 years ago. They might have hard right rhetoric, but in actual policy they are liberal on migration, likely because companies want cheap labour.
I'm an American, and since Hazbin released on Prime I've had a hard time trying to find out what Vox is, can you explain it to me or have a wiki link? Thank you! It's relevant to a project of mine
It’s wild, but people lap it up. Regardless of your stance on immigration, Farage’s whole schtick is making promises he will never have to keep and so he just focus’s on a single subject to rule people up who don’t see through it
The problem is there is no representation from the other parties. His party's voters essentially only care about migration. The British conservatives were voted into power when net migration was 250k a year, promising to reduce it to 100k or less. 100k a year would still have been higher than almost any year in British history prior to about 1990. What they have actually done is increase net migration to 700k a year.
To give an idea of the scale of change, from 1970 to 1990 the UK population increased by 1.4 million, that is the same as the population increase from migration in the last two years.
The centre-left party says that they will reduce migration, but they give no numbers.
You might say "get over it" but the UK is awful at building housing, we would need to probably triple the house building rate to be able to handle this level of migration, which simply will not happen politically. House prices have increased from 3 times average wages to 8 times average wages over the last 20 years.
Farage and his party are mostly awful, but it's not clear that the other parties will even reduce migration to where it was five years ago. People are going to vote for him as a protest regardless of anything else.
Oh I fully get that. I understand peoples frustration with feeling under-represented by the current system.
I'm not for one second saying that immigration isn't a high priority topic, because clearly it matters to a lot of voters. I am saying though that Farage has built a career off of being political agitator with very little of a stance on anything but a single swing topic, and does an excellent job of never really offering much in the way of fine detail.
I also think that he played a massive role in what we now know to be the disaster that was and is "Brexit". An endeavour that caused massive economic harm and has actually lead to policies that have increased our immigration as well as hampering our ability to pre-emptively tackle additional illegal immigration. The man that helped us drink the poison now has offer of an antidote, as if he had no idea what the consequences would be.
If the UK had been willing to actually address mass immigration, instead of burying its head in the sand and denying an actual problem adamantly, Nigel Farage wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
Immigration was actually never a problem just a scapegoat. Part of the reason it continued to rise under the Tories is that we desperately need immigrants to help run our services and industries, look at what happened to fruit farming etc after Brexit. Sitting in the fields going rotten because we couldn't get the workers in.
Falling living standards and access to housing were never caused due to migration but it's easier to blame that than to say "we didn't want to build houses and spend money"
We have the same house building rate now as we did 40 years ago when net migration was 25k per year, now net migration is 700k a year. 700k means a new city the size of Edinburgh or Brighton this year, another next year, another the year after that. If migration stays at this level it’s really clear the housing crisis will continue to get worse.
> Immigration was actually never a problem just a scapegoat.
That's a silly thing to say when immigration at this scale is absolutely a problem. There's already a housing crisis, adding 700k more people a year is going to continue making that so much worse. You can't build that many houses in a country that's already so overcrowded.
>Immigration was actually never a problem just a scapegoat.
It's a massive problem.
>Part of the reason it continued to rise under the Tories is that we desperately need immigrants to help run our services and industries.
No, you don't. More immigrants just increases the strain on services and industries. The real reason for mass immigration is herr derr GDP go up even though higher GDP doesn't fucking mean anything.
Nigel should be in the news every fucking day, as journalists across England hound him incessantly for his Brexit lies and how it's all turned out. Plus I'd love to see him enjoying a milkshake every day.
Same thing happened with Trump. He was the “joke candidate” until the media found out a lot of people watched and clicked on stories about him. Then it was Trump coverage 24/7 leading up to the 2016 election. The coverage was mainly negative, but it still served to amplify his message and legitimize him.
Ngl this sounds... exactly like what we see in the US where the media just can't fucking help themselves but to give Trump as much publicity as possible. That's rather concerning
Why is there a wage crisis? Small boats.
Why is there a housing crisis? Small boats.
Why is there an NHS crisis? Small boats.
Why do the latest round of star wars movies suck? Small boats.
Why is it raining when it should be summer? Small boats.
Why are their fewer doctor who episodes than before? Small boats.
Why does the sun go down at night? Small boats.
Why does it seem like most MPs are on the take, using their expenses for personal benefit? Small boats.
Why are we not supposed to talk about fight club? Small boats.
What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Small boats.
Who was the 2nd gunman behind the grassy knowl? James Earl Files... he arrived in Texas via small boat.
What is the square root of 5? Small boats.
Could a swallow carry a coconut? Only if it was an african swallow and it was travelling by small boat.
All I ever hear about anymore is small boats, and how they are the cause of everything. Its no surprise that when you look at who owns most media outlets, or runs them, that they are right wing as fuck.
I don't think that's the issue honestly, why? Because far-right populists have tried to sow hate and division for decades, and their revival not only in the UK, but over many parts of Europe, is not just due to some individuals promoting it.
As a leftist myself, I have to agree with Stephen Fry, who said at a debate about political correctness that the rise of the right is not due to the triumph of the right, but a catastrophic failure of the left, and a constant underestimation of the capabilities right.
It's occurring globally, really. North and South America...Europe... everywhere there isn't already a far-right leader in charge there is a resurgence of far-right politics.
So true. Mainstream media reports so much scare tactics now to get audience views/clicks over the boring "Timmy was rescued from a well yesterday" stories that people are starting to go right out of fear.
No, they're really not. They're getting completely fucking duped, as usual.
Because what's actually happening is that their leaders are failing them. They aren't building affordable housing. They are providing social safety nets. They won't strengthen labor laws. They raise taxes on the poor and middle class while giving tax cuts to the rich. They let people die of preventable disease and medical problems. Then, those leaders point to an immigrant and say "this brown person is why you lost your job/healthcare/home." And the people eat it the fuck up.
Because they'd rather have an easy answer and hate people who are different from them than face the complicated problems that are actually plaguing their society. They're not "noticing" shit. They're being told what to believe by their talking head daddy and eating it right the fuck up.
> Because they'd rather have an easy answer
Isn't that what you're doing? Calling immigration politics a scapegoat while refusing to address any of the concerns that millions of citizens have is about as easy of an answer as you could create.
I’m sorry but you’re delusional if you think any government has the ability to supply housing and the infrastructure needed to support the amount of people that they are letting in. It just is not sustainable at this level. It’s the sole contributor to many economical problems going on in various countries. I’m sorry this isn’t 5 years ago that if you dare talked negatively about immigration you would be called a racist. Now that people are feeling the consequences they are realising maybe it wasn’t such a good idea.
I guess we'll see all of our problems go away over the next 5 or so years then, as right wing authoritarianism continues to rise and dominate while immigrants and minorities are disproportionately killed or deported. Can't wait for the coming utopia :)
“while immigrants and minorities are disproportionately killed or deported”
Yeahhhhhh I think people like you are the exact reason more right wing governments are coming into power.
Not even discussing the social issues involved, mass immigration at this level is extremely irresponsible and will do irreversible damage to these countries.
I always find it hilarious that people on reddit like to call countries like Japan a utopia but forget to mention their non-existent immigration rate.
The European right is just now catching up to the American right wing playbook. Create a mythical boogey man to keep your population scared. Unfortunately it works
There's too much immigration across the whole of Europe . Hence right wing governments coming to power . Pretending otherwise like it's not the reason is dumb .
Nigel Farage is currently the leader of the political party polling in third place (by share of vote, although it probably won't lead to many seats) in the general election happening in four weeks.
As an impartial news organisation their duty is to report the news and let people make up their own minds, not to decide for themselves which major party leaders should and shouldn't have their campaigns reported on.
I can't say it's the same principle in the UK but in France, the media pulls the exact same crap with the same justification, except that when you look at the actual representation of the differents political parties in TV, the far-right is over-represented by a wide margin.
Except for the fact that the BBC basically made Farage the force he is today but putting him on question time every bloody week. He was on all the time back before the referendum. Way more than elected politicians like Caroline Lucas.
Why this was, whether some misguided attempt at being balanced or because he drove ratings I’m not sure but they certainly have a role to play in the popularity of a bigoted cretin who has done considerable harm to the country.
Nick Robinson (BBC Political Editor and former head of the Young Conservatives) decided Farage should be promoted.
Its fairly well documented. Its just not given much publicity
Farage is the politician who doesnt actually want the power. He figures he gets more by being the disruptor without actually having to do anything but shoot the other parties down.
The BBC had Farage, someone who wasn't even an MP, as their top news story on the day of his announcement *before* he'd made an announcement. I even screenshotted it because it was wild. We're in the middle of an election and the BBC have Farage's cock so firmly in their mouth that they cannot help themselves.
Far righters are clowns. Sad clowns who exploit hate so they gain power and people don’t notice how ridiculous they and their policies are. Laugh at them and they lose at least a tiny bit of power.
Keep laughing, and keep pointing out further how ridiculous they and their beliefs are so their influence can be chipped at.
Nah, probably things like this that are downplaying legitimate issues going on with immigration, instead of attempting to address people's concerns you make jokes about refugees fucking cats.
That's the fun part: basically all of them. Canada is going hard right next cycle, Trump is coming, Europe is running right all with the same root cause. And libs just can't seem to figure it out.
The ‘far right’ are not making gains in Europe. Instead everyday citizens are voting for parties that hold the quite unremarkable view of wanting to preserve the future of their people, culture and country going forward.
The media and left wing need a reality check, or perhaps they can just keep shouting that everyone they disagree with is a racist nazi.
You guys try really hard to sound like you're talking about space aliens or some shit and not immigrants when you say they're coming to destroy your country.
> say they're coming to destroy your country.
I'm a woman in America, but I'd be terrified if Islamic ideals about women's rights started infiltrating my government. It's hard enough battling Evangelical Christian ideals about women's rights, but at least half of the country is united against those ideals.
The world media is owned by corrupt people all working together to setup a worldwide single religion ruling class, control the narrative and you can fear/hate monger the masses into anything you want.
Oh yes, it's definitely the news giving people too much information! It couldn't *possibly* be conceivable that our platforms and policies are leading to disastrous consequences that makes life a burden for the average citizen! idiot.
You're right, the public broadcaster should refuse to air views or have on guests who clash with the "best" political approach.
There is absolutely no way censoring the opinions held by large sections of the voting public can backfire.
I am so sick of the condescension of these people who think we're all so stupid we shouldn't be exposed to competing ideas. Of course, they're geniuses, so let them watch it, change it, and then tell us what to think.
Nigel Farage is a piece of shit, but for fucks sake, think about what you're saying. This is a direct argument against freedom of speech being made.
The problem isn't that he has a platform. The problem is that his platform is far outsized to his actual support.
UKIP, Brexit, Reform, whatever they're calling themselves now, consistently polled down in the single-digit percentage points for a *long* time. They were a fringe movement for years, in the same vein as the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB). So why didn't the CPGB get the same exposure? I don't even know who the leader of the CPGB is — they don't get invited to any of the debates, and I have *never* even seen them *mentioned* in the media. I would say most people don't even know they exist.
In 2009 the BBC invited the bloody BNP to the debate, but not the CPGB. When actual neo-nazis are platformed before the CPGB you have to ask if the rules are being applied fairly.
And for reference, I don't support the CPGB in any way.
There are 65 million people in the UK and they have 65 million political views.
Farage was an unknown, fringe figure in UK politics, like thousands of others, before Nick Robinson - BBC Political Editor and former head of the Young Conservatives - made the conscious decision that his views should be platformed on the BBC.
That is manipulating the debate any way you want to view it and it was done by a seniour figure at the BBC and heavily promoted on the BBC.
Or because the moderate parties won't answer people's concerns about mass immigration among other issues and people feel forced to vote for more extreme parties and get radicalized. These are normal people rejecting mass immigration and maybe certain social views, not Nazis.
When neolibs are in charge of government and media it’s no wonder people prefer the right wing. The only way to combat the right wing is through truly left wing populist policies. Not that hard, quit voting for neolibs.
There is something to be said about the media giving equal time and consideration to inequal views, yes.
The BBC famously figured this out with climate change, too. Allocating the same time for climate scientists and climate deniers is not actually providing "equal time," it's disproportionately advantageous to niche climate denalism. Like if you have one starving family of 10 people, and one starving family of 2, and you give them both one loaf of bread, you have technically given every family an equal portion but one of those families is going to starve.
This isn't a factual issue like climate change though. It's opinion. It's the political campaigns of several different parties and the BBC are absolutely required to give them all equal air time.
Are you trying to say that immigration isn't the cause of all this still? Lmao
Yeah keep it up and keep ignoring people who have concerns, rising crime and diminishing public safety etc and see how it ends up. But I'm sure you'll still blame right wing for that
The biggest systematic abuser of British children is the Church of England.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/church-of-england-reveals-50-rise-in-abuse-claims-and-concerns
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63144354
Dismissing the real fears these people have isnt helpful.
radical islamist ideology is spread through lies, hatred and violent attacks. They are virulently anti secular, anti democratic, anti free speech/religion, and anti universal human rights.
If you want the far right to stop growing, get some intelligent leaders who push back against anti westerners. It's a natural reaction to be angry when people who are welcomed into your country try and regress your society til it becomes
the extremist/theocratic/authoritarian based shitholes they had to flee from in the first place.
It's natural for people to want to protect their way of life from people trying to destroy it for belief system that is both economically and morally inferior. The modern world was created by science, democracy, and Secularism. Anyone who doesn't want to protect those things is a threat to the modern world.
The BBC has to stay politically impartial, therefore it has to both worry about the far right and give the far right airtime (within limits). It’s an example of the British political and governmental system operating as it should.
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Cracking up
Same. These two Gifs got me dying.
Genuine lol posts are free and far between in here, eh? Top work.
Yeah it’s great that these are the top comments
Aww Europe gets people trying to fuck their cats? All the US got was Bill O Reilly claiming gay marriage would make people want to marry and fuck ducks
The US gets parents believing that kids are acting like cats and using litter boxes in classrooms. I still shake my head that they fell for that one.
people are still falling for it man. People have pulled kids out our local school smach dab in bible belt ga bc they are convinced our local school is buying up cat litter
Do you know why that was even a thing? It was contingency planning. In case of school shootings, if your child was hiding and had to go to the bathroom. Anything to take the conversation off guns! Edit: Here:https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439
jfc. Like i believe fully in every citizens right to arm themselves but holy fuck this is depressing
You mean the US (conservative media: FOX, OAN, NewsMax, etc) made up a bullshit story that made the other grifting pretend conservatives talk about it. We are being eaten alive by scam artists that will say anything to get dollars.
Yeah but the saying anything only works if you’re saying it to someone who is real dumb..
Didn't Joe Rogan fall for that one? I know Hannity did.
name a stupid thing JR hasnt bought into hook line and sinker.
Yeah but at least said he got fooled after the fact
Omg I heard that one, it's so frightening what people will believe
LMFAO, this came up at work today. The Headteacher's hairdresser told him a school in Bradford had students doing this.
My friend is having a urinary incontinence issue right now and her husband wanted to cover their bed in cat litter.
Hey, don’t leave out kids suddenly and potentially identifying as cats and wanting to replace toilets with cat litter in the classrooms. (I forgot which jackass said that)
Probably the bleach blonde one with the bad build butch body
if America it fuck duck, is Australia screw a kangaroo?
Well, we got gay frogs, but I'm not sure if they're fucking cats or other frogs.
You could have stopped at all America got was Bill Orielly. That's more than enough punishment...
He was right about one of those
Well done Reddit human.
lmao what is with the massively slow shadow leisurely passing over the composition, that shit needs to be like two orders of magnitude faster
Going straight for the kittens
nbacj leaking
I will protect you kitty. On one will touch your anus 🥺
3.2... 1!
\*appears from behind a cat a second later, covered in scratches\* It worked! 😃
Man. Typo of the century.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh no .... Not him
thanks, if the "fuck your cat" part didn't make me snort, your gif made me ugly laugh so hard my dog got spooked.
But I don't have a cat! Now i am worried.
Mamas lock up your kittens!!
Hide ya kitties!
Totally unrelated to the topic at hand, but this guy and his sister's story is actually quite interesting. [Here's](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-sixteenth-minute-of-fame-172216473/episode/hide-your-kids-hide-your-wife-174095972/) the first part of a 1.5 hour-long podcast about them, including an extended interview with the man himself
A random Loftus reference in the wild and it wasn't about hotdogs or Grand Rapids? Fantastic.
Do you think Loftus ever crashed her hotdog car into a clothing store in Grand Rapids?
Was that next to the 7-11? Could that be where she got the hammer?
...This story sounds like a rollercoaster.
16th Minute of Fame! Just don't ask about those bodies found in Grand Rapids, MI!
Okay, so, as an actual resident of the greater Grand Rapids, MI area, Jamie is innocent. Of these allegations, at least. Robert is just doing another slander.
I'm about to head down to Gunther's Machetes to get some more
This is one of my all time favourite GIFs
This is my fav gif of all time!
He's asking for look, look at he he's furred
Trump warned everyone about the border crisis. Why didn't he warn anyone about the people that just want to fuck our cats?
Yeah. What bullshit. I knew to protect my border, but I had no idea I needed to protect my cat too. Why didn’t he just warn me?
"They're not sending their best... they're sending people who want to fuck our cats" My dad and my uncles: "HOW DARE THEY!"
"These people...these people, they're after your cats. It's true. They're after your cats. They'll do things to them. If we let them in, they'll do things to them."
- Donald Trump, felon.
>Why didn't he warn anyone about the people that just want to fuck our cats? Because he's one of them!
Yeah this was really important information that we the citizens should know. How much do you think they pay per cat? Or is it per hour? Do they have preferred breeds? If so, how much does my black cat/white paws fetch? I NEED ANSWERS DAMMIT
your cats are getting paid?!
Under Twumpism there is only one man permitted to assault the pu... felines within arms reach. Much like all the proposed laws.
Todd may look like a hot dog but you're in a hot dog costume
Maybe give him a big spanking.
Seems that large parts of the Tory party would feel perfectly at home on Rassemblement Nationale or Vox….but because the Tory part had gone from centre right to right/hard right no one bats an eye.
You'd be surprised to learn how many British aristocrats were not only not antifascists, but actively tried to support fascism.
Lots of anti-Nazis were just anti-*German*-fascism.
Yeah they wanted to be the ones with absolute power, not some other guy
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot Reminder that George HW Bush's dad was part of a plot to overthrow American democracy because Roosevelt made some concessions to avert a socialist revolution. And also a big reason we weren't on the other side of WWII was because of a radicalized general that we don't learn about in history class because he became a socialist after that.
Indeed, but one should remember the context of that support. Socialists and communists of the time were talking about creating a world in which aristocrats did not exist, while Nazis and fascists weren't. Between the two extremes, aristocrats preferred the latter, and Nazis really sucked up to aristocrats too.
Okay but you get how that's worse, right?
You mean now or in the past….either way I wouldn’t be surprised, not after Brexit.
The Tory party reformed the migration system to be much more open after Brexit, they have increased net migration from 300k a year to 700k a year just in the last five years. Net migration is now 15 times higher than it was 30 years ago. They might have hard right rhetoric, but in actual policy they are liberal on migration, likely because companies want cheap labour.
And a large supply of brown people gives you something to campaign on. Solving problems doesn’t win you elections, bitching about them does.
I'm an American, and since Hazbin released on Prime I've had a hard time trying to find out what Vox is, can you explain it to me or have a wiki link? Thank you! It's relevant to a project of mine
"I'm trying to look up Spanish political movements but keep getting blocked by Hazbin Hotel" is an unfortunate problem but also absolutely hilarious
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_(political_party)
Sweet! Thanks so much!
It’s wild, but people lap it up. Regardless of your stance on immigration, Farage’s whole schtick is making promises he will never have to keep and so he just focus’s on a single subject to rule people up who don’t see through it
The problem is there is no representation from the other parties. His party's voters essentially only care about migration. The British conservatives were voted into power when net migration was 250k a year, promising to reduce it to 100k or less. 100k a year would still have been higher than almost any year in British history prior to about 1990. What they have actually done is increase net migration to 700k a year. To give an idea of the scale of change, from 1970 to 1990 the UK population increased by 1.4 million, that is the same as the population increase from migration in the last two years. The centre-left party says that they will reduce migration, but they give no numbers. You might say "get over it" but the UK is awful at building housing, we would need to probably triple the house building rate to be able to handle this level of migration, which simply will not happen politically. House prices have increased from 3 times average wages to 8 times average wages over the last 20 years. Farage and his party are mostly awful, but it's not clear that the other parties will even reduce migration to where it was five years ago. People are going to vote for him as a protest regardless of anything else.
Oh I fully get that. I understand peoples frustration with feeling under-represented by the current system. I'm not for one second saying that immigration isn't a high priority topic, because clearly it matters to a lot of voters. I am saying though that Farage has built a career off of being political agitator with very little of a stance on anything but a single swing topic, and does an excellent job of never really offering much in the way of fine detail. I also think that he played a massive role in what we now know to be the disaster that was and is "Brexit". An endeavour that caused massive economic harm and has actually lead to policies that have increased our immigration as well as hampering our ability to pre-emptively tackle additional illegal immigration. The man that helped us drink the poison now has offer of an antidote, as if he had no idea what the consequences would be.
>making promises he will never have to keep Politicians in a nutshell.
There is a difference between making promises you aren’t going to keep versus promises you won’t have to
If the UK had been willing to actually address mass immigration, instead of burying its head in the sand and denying an actual problem adamantly, Nigel Farage wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
Immigration was actually never a problem just a scapegoat. Part of the reason it continued to rise under the Tories is that we desperately need immigrants to help run our services and industries, look at what happened to fruit farming etc after Brexit. Sitting in the fields going rotten because we couldn't get the workers in. Falling living standards and access to housing were never caused due to migration but it's easier to blame that than to say "we didn't want to build houses and spend money"
We have the same house building rate now as we did 40 years ago when net migration was 25k per year, now net migration is 700k a year. 700k means a new city the size of Edinburgh or Brighton this year, another next year, another the year after that. If migration stays at this level it’s really clear the housing crisis will continue to get worse.
> Immigration was actually never a problem just a scapegoat. That's a silly thing to say when immigration at this scale is absolutely a problem. There's already a housing crisis, adding 700k more people a year is going to continue making that so much worse. You can't build that many houses in a country that's already so overcrowded.
>Immigration was actually never a problem just a scapegoat. It's a massive problem. >Part of the reason it continued to rise under the Tories is that we desperately need immigrants to help run our services and industries. No, you don't. More immigrants just increases the strain on services and industries. The real reason for mass immigration is herr derr GDP go up even though higher GDP doesn't fucking mean anything.
Nigel should be in the news every fucking day, as journalists across England hound him incessantly for his Brexit lies and how it's all turned out. Plus I'd love to see him enjoying a milkshake every day.
West ham fans literally support a foreign worker (fr*nch) abusing a cat on social media. It's happening!
Same thing happened with Trump. He was the “joke candidate” until the media found out a lot of people watched and clicked on stories about him. Then it was Trump coverage 24/7 leading up to the 2016 election. The coverage was mainly negative, but it still served to amplify his message and legitimize him.
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Ngl this sounds... exactly like what we see in the US where the media just can't fucking help themselves but to give Trump as much publicity as possible. That's rather concerning
Sounds exactly like what happened in Munich too...
Propaganda is powerful. A lot of the new media feigns innocence…but they’re 95% of the problem. Because? Money.
Why is there a wage crisis? Small boats. Why is there a housing crisis? Small boats. Why is there an NHS crisis? Small boats. Why do the latest round of star wars movies suck? Small boats. Why is it raining when it should be summer? Small boats. Why are their fewer doctor who episodes than before? Small boats. Why does the sun go down at night? Small boats. Why does it seem like most MPs are on the take, using their expenses for personal benefit? Small boats. Why are we not supposed to talk about fight club? Small boats. What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Small boats. Who was the 2nd gunman behind the grassy knowl? James Earl Files... he arrived in Texas via small boat. What is the square root of 5? Small boats. Could a swallow carry a coconut? Only if it was an african swallow and it was travelling by small boat. All I ever hear about anymore is small boats, and how they are the cause of everything. Its no surprise that when you look at who owns most media outlets, or runs them, that they are right wing as fuck.
And before that it was Brexit. Brexit means Brexit, Brexit solves all of our issues and we’ll be in control, etc etc etc. Utter bullshit.
Hey, quick question, totally unrelated. Do you happen to know how the British rescued 300,000 people at Dunkirk?
S M A L L B O A T S
Immigrants.
I knew it. Fucking small boats reducing the number of Doctor Who episodes. Fucking knew it mate.
I don't think that's the issue honestly, why? Because far-right populists have tried to sow hate and division for decades, and their revival not only in the UK, but over many parts of Europe, is not just due to some individuals promoting it. As a leftist myself, I have to agree with Stephen Fry, who said at a debate about political correctness that the rise of the right is not due to the triumph of the right, but a catastrophic failure of the left, and a constant underestimation of the capabilities right.
It's occurring globally, really. North and South America...Europe... everywhere there isn't already a far-right leader in charge there is a resurgence of far-right politics.
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Poland: our beacon of hope
So true. Mainstream media reports so much scare tactics now to get audience views/clicks over the boring "Timmy was rescued from a well yesterday" stories that people are starting to go right out of fear.
Little Timmy needs to stop falling in the well. /s
You mean like In 2016 when CNN carried EVERY trump speech/rally LIVE and in its entirety?
Sounds familiar (from US)
It's been wild watching several large subs turn hard right anti immigrant with blatant racism over the past few years.
"Then one day, for absolutely no reason at all..."
I think it's more that people are just noticing on what's happening around them.
No, they're really not. They're getting completely fucking duped, as usual. Because what's actually happening is that their leaders are failing them. They aren't building affordable housing. They are providing social safety nets. They won't strengthen labor laws. They raise taxes on the poor and middle class while giving tax cuts to the rich. They let people die of preventable disease and medical problems. Then, those leaders point to an immigrant and say "this brown person is why you lost your job/healthcare/home." And the people eat it the fuck up. Because they'd rather have an easy answer and hate people who are different from them than face the complicated problems that are actually plaguing their society. They're not "noticing" shit. They're being told what to believe by their talking head daddy and eating it right the fuck up.
> Because they'd rather have an easy answer Isn't that what you're doing? Calling immigration politics a scapegoat while refusing to address any of the concerns that millions of citizens have is about as easy of an answer as you could create.
I’m sorry but you’re delusional if you think any government has the ability to supply housing and the infrastructure needed to support the amount of people that they are letting in. It just is not sustainable at this level. It’s the sole contributor to many economical problems going on in various countries. I’m sorry this isn’t 5 years ago that if you dare talked negatively about immigration you would be called a racist. Now that people are feeling the consequences they are realising maybe it wasn’t such a good idea.
I guess we'll see all of our problems go away over the next 5 or so years then, as right wing authoritarianism continues to rise and dominate while immigrants and minorities are disproportionately killed or deported. Can't wait for the coming utopia :)
“while immigrants and minorities are disproportionately killed or deported” Yeahhhhhh I think people like you are the exact reason more right wing governments are coming into power. Not even discussing the social issues involved, mass immigration at this level is extremely irresponsible and will do irreversible damage to these countries. I always find it hilarious that people on reddit like to call countries like Japan a utopia but forget to mention their non-existent immigration rate.
The European right is just now catching up to the American right wing playbook. Create a mythical boogey man to keep your population scared. Unfortunately it works
Any time the Right makes gains it's because the Left has failed. The Left is tasked with progress, not the Right.
They’d be out of luck, as I don’t have a cat.
omg they've stolen your cat too!
Fuck a cat? Easy. Here in Poland the right wing emitted publicly a film with fucking a cow. It was found somewhere on the internet.
"Both sides have valid points and deserve a public platform!" No they fucking don't.
There's too much immigration across the whole of Europe . Hence right wing governments coming to power . Pretending otherwise like it's not the reason is dumb .
The Left are set to decimate the Right in the coming UK election.
Anyway here’s another story about a migrant r*pe gang being granted asylum and witness protection
Nigel Farage is currently the leader of the political party polling in third place (by share of vote, although it probably won't lead to many seats) in the general election happening in four weeks. As an impartial news organisation their duty is to report the news and let people make up their own minds, not to decide for themselves which major party leaders should and shouldn't have their campaigns reported on.
I can't say it's the same principle in the UK but in France, the media pulls the exact same crap with the same justification, except that when you look at the actual representation of the differents political parties in TV, the far-right is over-represented by a wide margin.
Except for the fact that the BBC basically made Farage the force he is today but putting him on question time every bloody week. He was on all the time back before the referendum. Way more than elected politicians like Caroline Lucas. Why this was, whether some misguided attempt at being balanced or because he drove ratings I’m not sure but they certainly have a role to play in the popularity of a bigoted cretin who has done considerable harm to the country.
Nick Robinson (BBC Political Editor and former head of the Young Conservatives) decided Farage should be promoted. Its fairly well documented. Its just not given much publicity
Farage is the politician who doesnt actually want the power. He figures he gets more by being the disruptor without actually having to do anything but shoot the other parties down.
Their duty does not involve pretending lies are the truth.
The BBC had Farage, someone who wasn't even an MP, as their top news story on the day of his announcement *before* he'd made an announcement. I even screenshotted it because it was wild. We're in the middle of an election and the BBC have Farage's cock so firmly in their mouth that they cannot help themselves.
And lock up their cats?
Far righters are clowns. Sad clowns who exploit hate so they gain power and people don’t notice how ridiculous they and their policies are. Laugh at them and they lose at least a tiny bit of power. Keep laughing, and keep pointing out further how ridiculous they and their beliefs are so their influence can be chipped at.
Nah, probably things like this that are downplaying legitimate issues going on with immigration, instead of attempting to address people's concerns you make jokes about refugees fucking cats.
Voters: "Stop letting in so many immigrants." Left parties: Does nothing Left parties: "Why is the right becoming so popular?!?"
What "left parties"?
That's the fun part: basically all of them. Canada is going hard right next cycle, Trump is coming, Europe is running right all with the same root cause. And libs just can't seem to figure it out.
Meanwhile all of Reddit's front page is non-stop liberal propaganda. This site has turned into a joke
The ‘far right’ are not making gains in Europe. Instead everyday citizens are voting for parties that hold the quite unremarkable view of wanting to preserve the future of their people, culture and country going forward. The media and left wing need a reality check, or perhaps they can just keep shouting that everyone they disagree with is a racist nazi.
You guys try really hard to sound like you're talking about space aliens or some shit and not immigrants when you say they're coming to destroy your country.
> say they're coming to destroy your country. I'm a woman in America, but I'd be terrified if Islamic ideals about women's rights started infiltrating my government. It's hard enough battling Evangelical Christian ideals about women's rights, but at least half of the country is united against those ideals.
“Every person deserves living under a better governed government”
Everyone thinks media shapes other people’s beliefs. No one thinks media shapes their own beliefs.
to be fair, Nigel farage specifically got absolutely buried by British electorate, but I see your point
The world media is owned by corrupt people all working together to setup a worldwide single religion ruling class, control the narrative and you can fear/hate monger the masses into anything you want.
And also we are going to let him shout at a journalist for having the balls to ask him why he is running after losing 7 times so far.
Can't imagine why this keeps happening.
Oh yes, it's definitely the news giving people too much information! It couldn't *possibly* be conceivable that our platforms and policies are leading to disastrous consequences that makes life a burden for the average citizen! idiot.
Negativity = engagement = money Click chasing media are not your friend.
You're right, the public broadcaster should refuse to air views or have on guests who clash with the "best" political approach. There is absolutely no way censoring the opinions held by large sections of the voting public can backfire.
Help me out, hasn't Nigel Farage been washed up for like a decade? How is this guy still relevant?
This is just like reddit and all the posts about everytime he says anything. I downvote them all
Don’t bring a cat to a knife fight
I love it when my being high coincides with finding a post like this. Holy fucking shit lol
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I am so sick of the condescension of these people who think we're all so stupid we shouldn't be exposed to competing ideas. Of course, they're geniuses, so let them watch it, change it, and then tell us what to think. Nigel Farage is a piece of shit, but for fucks sake, think about what you're saying. This is a direct argument against freedom of speech being made.
The problem isn't that he has a platform. The problem is that his platform is far outsized to his actual support. UKIP, Brexit, Reform, whatever they're calling themselves now, consistently polled down in the single-digit percentage points for a *long* time. They were a fringe movement for years, in the same vein as the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB). So why didn't the CPGB get the same exposure? I don't even know who the leader of the CPGB is — they don't get invited to any of the debates, and I have *never* even seen them *mentioned* in the media. I would say most people don't even know they exist. In 2009 the BBC invited the bloody BNP to the debate, but not the CPGB. When actual neo-nazis are platformed before the CPGB you have to ask if the rules are being applied fairly. And for reference, I don't support the CPGB in any way.
There are 65 million people in the UK and they have 65 million political views. Farage was an unknown, fringe figure in UK politics, like thousands of others, before Nick Robinson - BBC Political Editor and former head of the Young Conservatives - made the conscious decision that his views should be platformed on the BBC. That is manipulating the debate any way you want to view it and it was done by a seniour figure at the BBC and heavily promoted on the BBC.
Or because the moderate parties won't answer people's concerns about mass immigration among other issues and people feel forced to vote for more extreme parties and get radicalized. These are normal people rejecting mass immigration and maybe certain social views, not Nazis.
When neolibs are in charge of government and media it’s no wonder people prefer the right wing. The only way to combat the right wing is through truly left wing populist policies. Not that hard, quit voting for neolibs.
“Refugees”
They're seeking refuge from their shitty third world economies in ours whilst wanting to keep their third world "values"
You forgot the part about also draining your resources
Yes clearly it's the fault of the BBC that the right are gaining popularity all over Europe. The left are so delusional lmfao
Do you think the BBC reporting on the candidates' positions is the reason that far right parties are making gains?
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I'm surprised the BBC wants far-right people in power, is that what you are implying?
There is something to be said about the media giving equal time and consideration to inequal views, yes. The BBC famously figured this out with climate change, too. Allocating the same time for climate scientists and climate deniers is not actually providing "equal time," it's disproportionately advantageous to niche climate denalism. Like if you have one starving family of 10 people, and one starving family of 2, and you give them both one loaf of bread, you have technically given every family an equal portion but one of those families is going to starve.
This isn't a factual issue like climate change though. It's opinion. It's the political campaigns of several different parties and the BBC are absolutely required to give them all equal air time.
Are you trying to say that immigration isn't the cause of all this still? Lmao Yeah keep it up and keep ignoring people who have concerns, rising crime and diminishing public safety etc and see how it ends up. But I'm sure you'll still blame right wing for that
Enabling or platforming the far-right should be illegal.
Same with the far left.
Nah.
Both sides should be reported on and recieve publicity whether you agree with them or not.
There’s more than two sides
Whats tolerance of intolerance
This belief in the diametric opposite of Reddit's MO.
“If only all dangerous right wing ideas were silenced. Then everyone would be kind, tolerant, and loving like us and not like those people we hate”
The refugees are grooming British children and abusing them though
"Jewish devils are drinking the blood of Christian babies." You clowns never change.
The biggest systematic abuser of British children is the Church of England. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/church-of-england-reveals-50-rise-in-abuse-claims-and-concerns https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63144354
Dismissing the real fears these people have isnt helpful. radical islamist ideology is spread through lies, hatred and violent attacks. They are virulently anti secular, anti democratic, anti free speech/religion, and anti universal human rights. If you want the far right to stop growing, get some intelligent leaders who push back against anti westerners. It's a natural reaction to be angry when people who are welcomed into your country try and regress your society til it becomes the extremist/theocratic/authoritarian based shitholes they had to flee from in the first place. It's natural for people to want to protect their way of life from people trying to destroy it for belief system that is both economically and morally inferior. The modern world was created by science, democracy, and Secularism. Anyone who doesn't want to protect those things is a threat to the modern world.
The far right is making gains because of clowns like this. Shitting on people and calling them stupid/uneducated is not going to win them over.
truly amazing how well Brexit has worked for the UK. lol
The BBC has to stay politically impartial, therefore it has to both worry about the far right and give the far right airtime (within limits). It’s an example of the British political and governmental system operating as it should.